CDC Director Estimates 40% of Hospitalizations WITH Covid are not BECAUSE of Covid by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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CDC Director Estimates 40% of Hospitalizations WITH Covid are not BECAUSE of Covid

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 6:52 PM

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/09/cdc_director_walens
ky_estimates_40_of_hospitalizations_with_covid_are_not_because_of_covid.html

No, no, no.

You don't get to play that game because it suits your narrative now, bitch.

When your agency started trying to freak everyone the fuck out you blamed every single death that happened in 2020, no matter the real cause, on Covid even if they had some fucking sniffles a month prior to hospitalization for something completely unrelated.

How stupid do you think the people really and truly are?

Do you really think that everybody is just going to keep taking this lying down?

You clowns all need to be on the unemployment dole.

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Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Reading the article all the way to the end, there may currently be a smaller percentage of total admissions due to Omicron compared to before, which is more contagious but possibly less virulent.

To note, no matter why someone is tested or admitted, a positive test for COVID-19 is still a COVID-19 'case'. Just b/c a person may have a broken leg, for example, doesn't eliminate a positive COVID-19 test.

OTOH the current obsession with 'cases' really needs to be put into more context, which is sadly missing. 'Deaths' appear to be more or less flat - on average - since Dec 1, 2021 (though there is a lot of variability in the data).

Since COVID-19 'deaths' appear to be flat (so far), if they're going to make the case for why Omicron is so bad, they need to track EMS services, ER visits, hospital admissions, and ICU bed use for COVID-19 specifically, and show that it's impacting overall healthcare capacity.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 1:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Previously vaccinated people are more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated people.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/has-covid-vaccine-efficacy-turned

I'll see that and raise you.

You got Omicron because you were vaccinated.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 2:26 AM

SIGNYM

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SIX: The data does not show what the headline purports. What it shows is that the more recent the vaccine, or booster, the better the protection against Omicron in terms of "cases".

Now, unfortunately, "cases" are hostage to testing. At the beginning of the pademic, there simply weren't enough test kit available, so the #cases was severely understated, which is why the CFR seemed so high. (I made that point right at the beginning). Now, people who feel perfectly healthy are getting tested, leading to an explosion of "cases" w/o attendant illness or death.

Also, I would say that at the beginning, since the confirmato test kits were in such short supply, the #Covid deaths may have actually been understated, not overstated.

Anyway, I found the headline grossly misleading, to the point of lying, and people who don't bother to LOOK At THE DATA (which is most people) will be misinformed.

As a personal grotch, I absolutely hate it when people misuse data, on either side of an issue.

MOST PEOPLE WHO CAUGHT COVID WERE VACCINATED! blares the headlines. Well, if MOST people are vaccinated (like Iceland, 90%) it stands to reason that most ppl who got Covid WOULD be vaccinated, right? You have to do a per-capita comparison. But then, if there are so few unvaccinated in the population, then the stats may be skewed by chance.

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE IN ICU ARE UNVACCINATED! blares the headline. Well, that may be true, but once again you have to do a per-capita And even if that holds up, it's possile that the unvaccinated are poorer (for example) with less access to healthcare.

So, NOW maybe Covid is an adventitous finding. Then, not so much.

I hate articles that lie. it's like calling Jan 6 an "attempted coup", r some suhc nonense.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 10:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

You think I believe that article? It's based on data that's lies just like anything you believe on the issue.

As for caseloads, I'll ask you what I asked Kiki and never got any response:

In USA in particular, what makes you think that the 40% or so of Americans who aren't vaccinated would ever get themselves or their kids tested for Covid?

The number of people who have gotten covid is still grossly underestimated.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 12:35 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You think I believe that article? It's based on data that's lies just like anything you believe on the issue.

They why post the article?

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As for caseloads, I'll ask you what I asked Kiki and never got any response:
In USA in particular, what makes you think that the 40% or so of Americans who aren't vaccinated would ever get themselves or their kids tested for Covid?

The number of people who have gotten covid is still grossly underestimated.
I personally don't understand why ANYONE who isn't sick is getting tested for Covid, and yet ... I see long lines of people waiting outside Covid testing facilities waiting to get tested.

The only eason I can think of is that if they can document having had Covid then they can get a vaccine exemption.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 12:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You think I believe that article? It's based on data that's lies just like anything you believe on the issue.
They why post the article?

Because I'm posting stuff that the mainstream media won't let people see.

If you're going to be reading nothing but lies, you should at least get a wide variety of them.

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As for caseloads, I'll ask you what I asked Kiki and never got any response:
In USA in particular, what makes you think that the 40% or so of Americans who aren't vaccinated would ever get themselves or their kids tested for Covid?

The number of people who have gotten covid is still grossly underestimated.
I personally don't understand why ANYONE who isn't sick is getting tested for Covid, and yet ... I see long lines of people waiting outside Covid testing facilities waiting to get tested.

You live in California. The state of Peak Woke and following the narrative right off a cliff. That's why.

Everyone in those lines is triple vaxxed and wears masks in their beds when they sleep at night.

We don't have anything like that here by me.

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The only eason I can think of is that if they can document having had Covid then they can get a vaccine exemption.

Why are you assuming that non-vaxxed people are getting tested? There's no reason at all to assume that.

I mean, I know you just stated one, but that's a dumb reason. Anybody with half a brain knows that having proof that you've had a prior brush with covid doesn't make you exempt from Biden*'s tyrannical power grab.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 3:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As always, I went back to original data:

https://www.covid.is/data
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3.full
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/upl
oads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf

I've pulled apart a previous Berenson posting, and shown it to be a blatant misrepresentation of the data. And here I see, once again, Berenson is posting idiocy ... and so is Jack.

In the first link if you look at the graph with understanding - as Signy did - you'll see that adults fully vaccinated had a lower per capita infection incidence from 7/15/21 to 12/12/21, at which point vaccine antibodies waned, and, coincidentally Omicron was spreading.

Vaccines waning in their effectiveness against infection is not a new thing. Israel had exactly the same thing happen, only much earlier. They vaccinated their population VERY early in the pandemic, and then people hit the roughly 6-month mark, and antibodies waned, and 'cases' went up. In fact, it was Israel that clued the rest of the world into the need for boosters to keep 'cases' low.

If you look at the exact same graph, 'boosted' adults starting about 09/28/21 have virtually zero 'cases' until about 11/28/21, when 'boosted' adult 'cases' start to rise. But despite their rise in 'cases', 'boosted' adults have fewer 'cases' than anyone else. So, accounting for waning antibodies with boosters, vaccines are still very effective in preventing 'cases', even with Omicron.

And then, look at the graph below the one Berenson chose to misrepresent. Adults 'not fully vaccinated' are currently being hospitalized at a rate of 45 per capita, while 'fully vaccinated' and 'boosted' adults are being hospitalized at a rate of roughly 15 per capita each.

Then look for 'deaths'. Iceland had a total of 39. Not per 100,000, 39 in the entire country; or, too few to run statistics on.

I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE VACCINES WERE NEVER MEANT TO PREVENT INFECTIONS. That they did - and do - is a happy accident. The vaccines WERE meant to prevent severe infections and deaths. And they do that admirably, even with Omicron, as the Iceland data shows.

Here's the second link which says vaccine effectiveness against Omicron 'cases' wanes within 5 months (no surprise there) but is restored by a booster. (Also note what other places have noted: the Pfizer vax is the more effective and less problematic vax than the Moderna one.)

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Among those who had most recently completed primary vaccination, VE ('vaccine effectiveness') against Omicron was 55.2% and 36.7% for the BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccines, respectively, but with evidence of rapid waning over the course of five months. (But) ... VE among those who had received a booster dose 14 to 44 days earlier was 54.6%.

I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE VACCINES WERE NEVER MEANT TO PREVENT INFECTIONS. The more meaningful figures here would be hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths.

Here's the information from the third link:

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The previous finding of reduced overall risk of hospitalisation for Omicron compared to Delta is confirmed by the updated Study 1. In addition, both studies find a substantial reduction in risk of hospitalisation for Omicron cases after 3 doses of vaccine compared to those who are unvaccinated, with overlapping estimate ranges.
After 3 doses of vaccine, the risk of hospitalisation for a symptomatic case identified with Omicron through community testing was estimated to be reduced by 68% (42 to 82%) when compared to similar individuals with Omicron who were not vaccinated (after adjusting for age, gender, previous positive test, region, ethnicity, clinically extremely vulnerable status, risk group status and period). Combined with the protection against becoming a symptomatic case, this gives a vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation of 88% (78 to 93%) for Omicron after 3 doses of vaccine.

For a spectacular failure, I'd say the vaccines were a roaring success.

Anyway, when it come to whether of not people not getting vaccinated would also get tested, I want to point out to Jack that THESE COUNTRIES ARE NOT THE US. They have public health coverage and wide-scale random testing absent in the US. For example, early on in the pandemic Iceland tested everyone in the country, to get a handle on how may people were infected, and to get a baseline for what the consequences would be.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 3:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Apropos of cases...

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Mass. Wastewater Data Suggests Covid-19 Cases Substantially Higher Than Reported

Monday, Jan 10, 2022 - 12:45 PM

As the far more mild, yet hyper-transmissible Omicron strain continues to spread like wildfire, official figures for new infections are undoubtedly low.

Between a shortage of home test kits and the fact that Omicron symptoms have been relegated to 'common cold' or asytmptomatic for most people, the real number is undoubtedly 'significantly higher,' according to Boston.com.

While Massachusetts reported a record 27,612 cases last Wednesday, samples from the Boston area's wastewater collected last week suggest that the official count is nowhere near the actual number of Covid-19 infections.

Biobot Analytics, the Cambridge-based company that collects the wastewater data, said Thursday that “undercounting is now more substantial than ever.”

In fact, since early December, the Massachusetts Water Resources Authority has had to quintuple the y-axis on their chart to capture the exponential spike, which now dwarfs the previous surges in the spring of 2020 and last winter. -Boston.com

Biobot chief of staff Casey McGinley told Boston.com that the latest data suggests infections in Boston and its suburbs are "much higher than it's ever been," adding "We can’t say definitively what percentage of all infected people are getting counted as cases, but wastewater data does support that this percentage has gotten much smaller in recent days."

On Thursday, Biobot Analytics tweeted: "We’ve never counted every infected person as a case, but [wastewater] data show that the undercounting is now more substantial than ever."

The WC ratio has risen at MWRA. This means a smaller fraction of people who are infected are getting counted as cases. We’ve never counted every infected person as a case, but WW data show that the undercounting is now more substantial than ever. 3/6 pic.twitter.com/kzxcyt4NKh
— Biobot Analytics (@BiobotAnalytics) January 6, 2022

The company says it's seeing "similar results across the country," which suggests that the 500K or so official new Covid-19 cases is massively undercounting actual cases.

This is a good thing, as it suggests that many of the underreported cases may be asymptomatic.

[edit: and a great point in the comments]:

Of course, with this kind of spread, people who would normally become gravely ill or die from any bad cold are going to clog up hospitals for at least the next few weeks.

"If you are looking to get a hip replacement, if you are have some other procedure that has been bothering you but it’s not an emergency, these are getting pushed back and we are seeing the ripple effects on everyone," said Boston Mayor Michelle Wu in a Wednesday press conference.

According to Biobot, the bottom line is that "Even if a smaller percent of people with Omicron have symptoms, there are just so many more infected people that hospitals will face a bad crunch in the coming weeks..."

For a look at what's likely to come, check out Dr. John Campbell's Omicron synopsis from Saturday:

Towards the end of the video he passes on speculation by others that Omicron might be the result of LOSS of function research- a more transmissible but less pathogenic version created to save us from the deadlier version(s).

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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Hell... I've been mildly sick for over a week now. It's just hanging hanging on.

There was nothing serious about it, but just an annoyance.

The one different thing about this one other than how long it's hung on is there was a full 24 hour + period where it felt like my right ear had been "blown out" by listening to headphones too loud.

I could hear out of it, but it was as if I were deaf to all of the low bass tones and all it was picking up was treble. Truly a strange phenomena when I'd be watching TV with my left ear on the pillow so I wasn't getting any bass at all unless I lifted my head up. No pain like an ear infection, but there was a "tinnitus type" of ringing action going on if everything was silent.

That stuck around for a full day and night and by the 2nd night of sleep it was gone in the morning.

If it's Omicron, it's not keeping me from getting work done. At least it wasn't stopping work dead in its tracks like my winter weather depression did for 4 or 5 days last week.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's too bad the US doesn't have a functional health care system and has to rely on surrogate measures.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

https://www.axios.com/biden-cdc-coronavirus-communication-fauci-8f0678
5c-2a53-492a-b006-f7171fced489.html

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"One of the core tenets of public health is that you have to meet people where they are," Wen said. "If you are seen as being in a totally different place than people’s realities, then they're not going to listen."

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Monday, January 10, 2022 4:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-covid-
pandemic-reset/621207/

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Omicron is forcing us to reconsider how we deal with mild cases of COVID, which will never completely go away.

No shit. I told you dumb motherfuckers that in spring of 2020.

Get over it, bitches.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 7:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Monday, January 10, 2022 7:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-covid-
pandemic-reset/621207/

"Omicron is forcing us to reconsider how we deal with mild cases of COVID, which will never completely go away."

SIX: No shit. I told you dumb motherfuckers that in spring of 2020.
Get over it, bitches.

Stop moving goalposts. Back then we weren't dealing with MILD cases of Covid. And it needed to be dealt with in a different way. That was then, this is now.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 8:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-covid-
pandemic-reset/621207/

"Omicron is forcing us to reconsider how we deal with mild cases of COVID, which will never completely go away."

SIX: No shit. I told you dumb motherfuckers that in spring of 2020.
Get over it, bitches.
Stop moving goalposts. Back then we weren't dealing with MILD cases of Covid. And it needed to be dealt with in a different way. That was then, this is now.

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NOT my point.

My point is that I ALWAYS said that EVERYONE will get Covid.

Politicians, the Legacy Media and people here said I was full of shit.

Fuckin' Mags is still cheerleading her Government Officials keeping people in concentration camps because they've still got people under the delusion there that they can stamp out Covid.

Never going to happen. It never was going to happen.

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Monday, January 10, 2022 8:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
https://www.judicialwatch.org/walensky-cdc-records/?utm_source=deploye
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Your vaccine killed a healthy 13 year old.

Congratulations.

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