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THG

Monday, February 25, 2019 11:20 PM (P)

37 indictments and hundreds of charges filed. That's a witch hunt that's found a coven. Even when Mueller's report is filed the southern district of NY, the courts in DC and Virginia will continue dismantling Trump. I hear there are as many as 15 sealed indictments in Virginia alone.

This is not just a recognition of Trump and his being corrupt, filling our government with the worst of the worst. It's also a recognition of those here who challenge facts with spin on his behalf. There are 7 thousand provable lies that have been told by Trump in the last two years. 7 thousand lies they ignore because they troll, and only troll.

tick tock

T

THG

Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

37 indictments and hundreds of charges filed. That's a witch hunt that's found a coven. Even when Mueller's report is filed the southern district of NY, the courts in DC and Virginia will continue dismantling Trump. I hear there are as many as 15 sealed indictments in Virginia alone.

This is not just a recognition of Trump and his being corrupt, filling our government with the worst of the worst. It's also a recognition of those here who challenge facts with spin on his behalf. There are 7 thousand provable lies that have been told by Trump in the last two years. 7 thousand lies they ignore because they troll, and only troll.

tick tock

I stand corrected. During the Cohen hearing on Capital Hill it came out Trump has told more like 8 thousand 7 hundred provable lies.

T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:48 PM (P)

Only 2,255 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002132

Are Trolls implying that Trump is making effort to tell more lies than the Record numbers issued by Clinton or Obama?

REAVERFAN

Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Only 2,255 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock. As of Sunday.

How exciting. 002132

It really is!

THG

Friday, March 1, 2019 1:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Only 2,255 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock. As of Sunday.

How exciting. 002132
It really is!

All I have to say to jsf REAVERFAN is shoo troll

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 1, 2019 6:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Only 2,255 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock. As of Sunday.

How exciting. 002132
It really is!

All I have to say to jsf REAVERFAN is shoo troll

T

This is why getting at least a 6th grade education is important.

Commas are important, buddy. At first glance, it would appear that you're insinuating that jsf and REAVERFAN are one in the same.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:42 PM (P)

T

What Will President Donald Trump Do When Backed Into A Corner?

1KIKI

Sunday, March 3, 2019 10:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
All I have to say to jsf REAVERFAN is shoo troll

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This is why getting at least a 6th grade education is important.
Commas are important, buddy. At first glance, it would appear that you're insinuating that jsf and REAVERFAN are one in the same.

Thanks for the laugh, six ... you made perfect use of THUGGER's great source material!

REAVERFAN

Sunday, March 3, 2019 10:40 AM (P)

Under American law, the death penalty is still in play.

We kill traitors.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
All I have to say to jsf REAVERFAN is shoo troll
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This is why getting at least a 6th grade education is important.
Commas are important, buddy. At first glance, it would appear that you're insinuating that jsf and REAVERFAN are one in the same.

Thanks for the laugh, six ... you made perfect use of THUGGER's great source material!

Throw me a softball and I'm going to hit a home run every time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, March 3, 2019 7:06 PM (P)

All I have to say is shoo troll.

T

SECOND

Sunday, March 3, 2019 8:23 PM (P)

Asked recently about Trump’s attempts to use the Department of Justice to punish his personal enemies, John Dean told CNN, “While I heard [Nixon] break the law on some of those [Watergate] tapes, I never heard him do it by turning on his enemies and trying to put them in jail. This is really very, very heavy sledding.” Dean was even more blunt in another response: “This is the sort of stuff of a banana republic.”
www.villagevoice.com/2018/12/07/john-dean-and-michael-cohen-flippers-t
hen-and-now/
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/04/trump-attack-sessions-justic
e-impeachment-fodder-collins-hunter-column/1189784002/
www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/trump-s-distorted-view-justice-rew
ard-friends-punish-enemies-n903506

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, March 3, 2019 10:00 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Asked recently about Trump’s attempts to use the Department of Justice to punish his personal enemies, John Dean told CNN, “While I heard [Nixon] break the law on some of those [Watergate] tapes, I never heard him do it by turning on his enemies and trying to put them in jail. This is really very, very heavy sledding.” Dean was even more blunt in another response: “This is the sort of stuff of a banana republic.”

Indeed

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 3, 2019 10:14 PM (P)

Somebody should add up all of T's Tick Tocks and we'll count down to when he's said a whole day's worth of them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, March 3, 2019 10:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Somebody should add up all of T's Tick Tocks and we'll count down to when he's said a whole day's worth of them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump could learn time management skills from President Dwight Eisenhower, who lived one of the most productive lives you can imagine. Use the 'Eisenhower Box' to Stop Wasting Time and Be More Productive:

Eisenhower served two terms from 1953 to 1961. During his time in office, he launched programs that directly led to the development of the Interstate Highway System in the United States, the launch of the internet (DARPA), the exploration of space (NASA), and the peaceful use of alternative energy sources (Atomic Energy Act). Trump won't have that kind of legacy.

Before becoming president, Eisenhower was a five-star general in the United States Army, served as the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe during World War II, and was responsible for planning and executing invasions of North Africa, France, and Germany. Unlike Eisenhower, Trump is not showing an ability to manage large organizations.

At other points along the way, Eisenhower served as President of Columbia University, became the first Supreme Commander of NATO, and somehow found time to pursue hobbies like golfing and oil painting. Trump does find time for golf. At least he's got that.

www.entrepreneur.com/article/233054

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, March 3, 2019 10:35 PM (P)

There was a policy in the justice department not to release any information regarding an investigation unless they were going to indict. The republicans insured the democrats will receive all of Mueller's report, even if the justice department isn't going to indict.

How you ask? The republicans insisted the justice department turn over all the documents regarding the Hillary Clinton investigation. Even thought the justice department was not going to indict.

Opps…Thanks republicans.

tick tock

T

THG

Monday, March 4, 2019 12:38 AM (P)

House Judiciary to request documents from Trump Jr., dozens in administration

The House Judiciary Committee will request documents on Monday from President Donald Trump's oldest son, his business and more than 60 individuals in his administration, the panel's chair said Sunday.

In an interview with ABC News' "This Week," Rep. Jerry Nadler said the requests for documents are to "begin investigations, to present the case to the American people about obstruction of justice, about corruption and abuse of power."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/03/politics/house-judiciary-trump-investig
ation-obstruction-of-justice/index.html

tick tock

T

THG

Monday, March 4, 2019 2:20 AM (P)

Schiff says there is 'direct evidence' of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia

“I think there is direct evidence in the emails from the Russians through their intermediary offering dirt on Hillary Clinton

“They offer that dirt. There is an acceptance of that offer in writing from the president’s son, Don Jr., and there is overt acts and furtherance of that… That to me is direct evidence.”

tick tock

T

SIGNYM

Monday, March 4, 2019 2:40 AM (P)

Getting dirt on your opponent is not "collusion". After all, there is direct evidence that Hillary paid Russians for dirt on Trump by laundering it thru Fusion GPS. Is that collusion with Russia?

what you need to show is "quid pro quo"... this for that. Is there any evidence that Trump promised some sort of policy in return for getting dirt on Hillary? (Also, since no "dirt" was exchanged, you can hardly claim that there was a "qid pro quo" because nothing was received, therefore nothing was expected in return.)

You're grasping at straws, and so is Schiff.

Tic tock?

More like ho hum.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, March 4, 2019 4:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Tic tock?

More like ho hum.

We’re at a most dangerous stage of this US presidency: Trump fatigue is setting in. Trump-related hearings are the opposite of a kangaroo court – the formalities are all correctly observed and the evidence is all there, but the accused will always get off. No reaction ever befits the crime. The bar for impeachment or invoking the 25th amendment is just too high and nebulous, and Trump’s bar of behaviour is just so low.

The challenge now is far bigger than finding a way to outnumber Trump’s support in 2020. It is how to ensure that the sense of futility does not overwhelm the public by then. Take it from someone who grew up in a dictatorship and recognises the surrender of burnout, that the real jeopardy doesn’t start with authoritarianism, it starts with fatigue.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/03/trump-revelations-danger
ous-president

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Monday, March 4, 2019 5:55 AM (P)

I dont know how Chuck Todd and George Stephanopolis manajd to refrain from kicking Jordan and McCarthy off the sets this morning.

They sat there spouting the same old imbisilic 'no evidens' schtick in spite uv all the gilty pleaz & convictionz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

1KIKI

Monday, March 4, 2019 8:59 AM (P)

But none of those pleas and convictions were Trump's. And none of them were about Trump.

SECOND

Monday, March 4, 2019 9:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But none of those pleas and convictions were Trump's. And none of them were about Trump.

Trump lied about being a competent and self-made billionaire. Also, he cheated on his taxes, but he hasn't gone to jail, so it must not have happened. Except, it did happen: An investigation by The New York Times has revealed that Donald Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire. What’s more, much of this money came to Mr. Trump through dubious tax schemes he participated in during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, The Times found.

In all, the president’s parents transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate on gifts and inheritances that was in place at the time. Helped by a variety of tax dodges, the Trumps paid $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax returns show.

www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-wealth-fred-trump.
html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Monday, March 4, 2019 4:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But none of those pleas and convictions were Trump's. And none of them were about Trump.

Trump = individual 1, the co-conspirator.

But maybe from your perspecctiv, its normal. How many close associates uv yourz hav been seent to prizon?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SECOND

Monday, March 4, 2019 5:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But none of those pleas and convictions were Trump's. And none of them were about Trump.

Trump = individual 1, the co-conspirator.

But maybe from your perspecctiv, its normal. How many close associates uv yourz hav been seent to prizon?

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

The Watergate scandal indicted 69 people, with trials or pleas resulting in 48 being found guilty, many of whom were top Nixon officials. But Nixon wasn’t one of them. Proof that there was no collusion!
www.history.com/news/watergate-where-are-they-now

But Nixon did get caught cheating on his taxes, as has Trump. The IRS, in auditing Nixon, had been negligent and far less questioning than it would have been for any other taxpayer. The revelation that Nixon had paid less than $6,000 in federal income tax while earning more than $790,000 of aggregate income during 1970, 1971, and 1972 caused a public outcry. Nixon's taxes were an issue that average citizens readily understood as compared to the constitutional issues raised by the Watergate investigation. Most taxpayers -- with far less income than Nixon -- had paid more federal income tax than the president. Apparently, Trump voters who pay taxes aren’t as smart as Nixon voters who paid taxes.

Amazingly, fraud was not mentioned either by the IRS or by the committee report. However, the House Judiciary Committee, which was considering the impeachment of Nixon, stated that it might investigate the possibility of tax fraud. It did not.
www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df80075b9dd/f
8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument

The Presidential Tax Return project has Nixon's returns, but not Trump's, because he won't allow it. Trump's V.P. has made available 10 years of his returns because he might be President someday.
www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:37 AM (P)

Mueller tells judge of new Roger Stone post on Instagram; opps.

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:45 AM (P)

Still nothing worth reading here, I see.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But none of those pleas and convictions were Trump's. And none of them were about Trump.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Trump = individual 1, the co-conspirator.

With whom did he conspire, one wonders. Because of all those other supposed 'conspirators' you're hallucinating about, zero of them were charged with conspiring with Trump.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
But maybe from your perspecctiv, its normal. How many close associates uv yourz hav been seent to prizon?

You should be ashamed of being so deficient in facts you have to troll instead.

tic tac

JO753

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 3:16 PM (P)

It wuz a question. I gess its very few.

Only professional criminalz tend to hav many associates hoo hav been indited.

(the republican party iz a subgroup uv proffessional criminalz)

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SECOND

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Still nothing worth reading here, I see.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

On July 30, under coercion from the Supreme Court, Nixon released the Watergate tapes. On August 5, transcripts of the recordings were released, including a segment in which the president was heard instructing Haldeman to order the FBI to halt the Watergate investigation. On August 8, Nixon resigned. Trump outdid Nixon. Trump didn’t need a Haldeman. Trump talked directly to the head of the FBI and told him to stop the investigation.

What you should have learned is that the GOP controlled Senate won’t remove a President. Even Nixon, the most wicked President, who killed millions in Cambodia, could not be removed. Nixon quit for the good of his party because GOP Senators told him to get out now. The GOP could only win the next Presidential election if Nixon quit immediately. Trump won’t quit for the good of his party. He’s not as good as Nixon.

www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-resigns

Reporters and political commentators often express surprise at the steadfast support of President Trump from most Republicans in the House and Senate. But they shouldn’t — it has happened before. In fact, when these critics refer back to the Watergate era as a time of bipartisan commitment to the rule of law over politics, they get it exactly wrong. Defending the president at all costs, blaming investigators and demonizing journalists was all part of the Republican playbook during the political crisis leading up to the resignation of President Richard Nixon. House Republican leader Gerald Ford (who later succeeded Mr. Nixon as president) called it a “political witch hunt”.

www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/opinion/watergate-republican-party.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:24 PM (P)

Man are our local trolls stupid or what? The Southern district of NY has filed indictments stating Trump conspired with Cohen to commit elections fraud. Cohen has been sentenced to three years in prison for it. Trump is next. He has been named in the indictment as person number 1.

When they do come for him it will be with this and much much more.

tick tock

T

SECOND

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Man are our local trolls stupid or what? The Southern district of NY has filed indictments stating Trump conspired with Cohen to commit elections fraud. Cohen has been sentenced to three years in prison for it. Trump is next. He has been named in the indictment as person number 1.

When they do come for him it will be with this and much much more.

tick tock

That's all nice and interesting, but what it will really do is reduce the number of votes he gets in 2020. If he loses that election, then his problems begins. He will pardon himself for everything, and after years of litigation the GOP controlled Supreme Court will agree he can, but his tax cheating will finally catch up with him. Same as Nixon and his Vice President Agnew, Trump won't go to jail for anything, but he can't pardon his way out of paying his taxes. Agnew had to pay his taxes. Nixon had to pay his taxes despite President Ford pardoning Nixon. Trump will pay, too, but only after a long, long litigation process, much like this:

Students of Professor John F. Banzhaf III from the George Washington University Law School found four residents of the state of Maryland willing to put their names on a case that sought to have Agnew repay the state $268,482, the amount it was said he had taken in bribes, including interest and penalties, as a public employee. After two appeals by Agnew, he finally paid the sum in 1983. In 1989, Agnew applied unsuccessfully for this sum to be treated as tax-deductible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Subsequent_career:_1973%E2%8
0%9390

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:33 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
It wuz a question. I gess its very few.

Only professional criminalz tend to hav many associates hoo hav been indited.

(the republican party iz a subgroup uv proffessional criminalz)

How many people has Trump pardoened so far?

(Here's a hint: Six pardons, two commutations)

How many people did Bill Clinton pardon?

(Here's another hint: 42 commutations and 450 pardons). Now, of those Clinton pardons, how many were involved in scandal?

Aside from pardoning Susan Mcdougal, who protected the Clintons from the the fallout of the Whitewater scandal, Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, whose ex-wife donated $450,000 dollars to the Clinton library and $1,000,000 to the Clinton campaign.

https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clint
ons-made-millions-off-friends/

Many of Clintons other pardons ran into severe criticism too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy

I look at the Clinton family as a crime family; do you? And, why not?

You yipe about the stupidest things, JO. Stop being like SECOND. If you're going to yipe about Trump, why not do it over things that are important? And if not that, at least yipe about things that are different than the Clintons?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Many of Clintons other pardons ran into severe criticism too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy

I look at the Clinton family as a crme family; do you?

The Obama crime family has 1,715 commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 pardons. Trump should find some way to lock these felons back in jail because of their association with Master Criminal Mind Barack Obama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemenc
y_by_Barack_Obama

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:47 PM (P)

And here's SECOND, with MORE made-up yipes about Trump!

Jeezuz, SECOND, at what point will you stop being so stupid?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And here's SECOND, with MORE made-up yipes about Trump!

Jeezuz, SECOND, at what point will you stop being so stupid?

Signym, I can run a company AND comment on Trump: Daniel Dale of the Toronto Star, who has spent more time than most listening to Trump speeches and meticulously detailing his relentless lies, confidently declared that the CPAC address was the most bizarre of Trump’s presidency. Trump’s creepy CPAC address is just the latest example of his public unraveling. There’s not one working member of the Washington press corps who watched Trump’s epic and unsettling CPAC meltdown and thought, “He’s seems stable, and I have no questions about his mental capacity.”

www.alternet.org/2019/03/trump-is-not-stable-and-that-should-be-a-huge
-news-story/

Trump’s “Historically Long and Epically Weird” CPAC Speech:
Trump began by embracing the American flag. Colbert: “I believe that is the first time a flag has ever volunteered to be burned.”
www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/donald-trump-cpac-speech-colbert-
late-show

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:26 PM (P)

There's no way that anyone reading YOUR posts (Trump should find a way to lock up these criminals) and imagine that YOU'RE stable. Seriously, SECOND, you have some deep emotional issues festering in that skull.

And if we want to see more looney-tunes, all we need to do is read REAVERBOT's posts.

Most of you people have been driven by the media to madness; but you, SECOND, you were there already.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There's no way that anyone reading YOUR posts (Trump should find a way to lock up these criminals) and imagine that YOU'RE stable. Seriously, SECOND, you have some deep emotional issues festering in that skull.

And if we want to see more looney-tunes, all we need to do is read REAVERBOT's posts.

Most of you people have been driven by the media to madness; but you, SECOND, you were there already.

Signym, you never called Trump your Rock of Gibraltar, he was your "loose cannon". Do you remember Trump chanting "Lock her up"? Remember that if Korea makes one more threat "They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen"? Trump is not a guy who takes his words or his job seriously. He is a clown, maybe insane. Thousands of mental health professionals agree: Trump is dangerous. He obviously has psychological symptoms reflective of emotional compulsion, impulsivity, poor concentration, narcissism and recklessness.
http://theconversation.com/thousands-of-mental-health-professionals-ag
ree-with-woodward-and-the-new-york-times-op-ed-author-trump-is-dangerous-102755

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:17 PM (P)

I listened to the speech, the WHOLE speech, not just some snippets picked out for you by a relentlessly hostile press. Trump was having fun; he was sometimes joking and sometimes being sarcastic and at times he stretched the truth until it snapped, but overall I didn't find anything particularly worrisome. That's just a NYC-style of storytelling. Heard it before many times from lots of people who are btw bright and insightful. Grab a beer, remove that stick that's up your ass, and relax.

MY problem with Trump has nothing to do with his speaking style. It's that he's consistently appointed the wrong people and that his foreign policy ... the one area where he CAN make a difference .... is constantly being derailed by people like Bolton and Kushner.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
It wuz a question. I gess its very few.

Only professional criminalz tend to hav many associates hoo hav been indited.

(the republican party iz a subgroup uv proffessional criminalz)

How many people has Trump pardoened so far?

(Here's a hint: Six pardons, two commutations)

How many people did Bill Clinton pardon?

(Here's another hint: 42 commutations and 450 pardons). Now, of those Clinton pardons, how many were involved in scandal?

Aside from pardoning Susan Mcdougal, who protected the Clintons from the the fallout of the Whitewater scandal, Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, whose ex-wife donated $450,000 dollars to the Clinton library and $1,000,000 to the Clinton campaign.

https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clint
ons-made-millions-off-friends/

Many of Clintons other pardons ran into severe criticism too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy

I look at the Clinton family as a crime family; do you? And, why not?

You yipe about the stupidest things, JO. Stop being like SECOND. If you're going to yipe about Trump, why not do it over things that are important? And if not that, at least yipe about things that are different than the Clintons?

Jo said indictments, not pardons - do you know the difference? Do you know presidents do the majority of their pardons right before their term is up? And if the last 10 presidents were criminals would that make any difference to what Trump is? Of course not - but you know that. O, the web we weave, when at first... That's what happens when you're fueled by being a Trump fan girl.

SECOND

Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:53 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

MY problem with Trump has nothing to do with his speaking style. It's that he's consistently appointed the wrong people and that his foreign policy ... the one area where he CAN make a difference .... is constantly being derailed by people like Bolton and Kushner.

Trump has fired thousands of people in his life. He has fired most of his cabinet. He could fire the people Signym wants fired. But he has not, perhaps because he does not truly share Signym's goals? Perhaps he is a great big fraud who never intended keeping his campaign promises? And perhaps his peculiar stage performances are intended to distract his audiences from the actual substance of Trump's policies and its failure?

That leaves the question: Who is Trump trying to please? Maybe Rupert Murdoch of FOX, the same corp that cancelled Firefly. Trump certainly has a lot of sympathy from the leading FOX news and commentary personalities. "Why the Trump-Fox News relationship really is unprecedented"
www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/opinions/trump-fox-news-new-yorker-jane-mayer-h
emmer/index.html

One metric: the steady flow of personnel from Fox News to the Trump White House. For the Trump administration, appearances on Fox News have often served as the first step in the interview process. That is, no doubt, how Bush administration official and hawk John Bolton wound up in the White House, despite the fact that Trump regularly bashes interventionism.

But Bolton is just one of many former Fox News folks in the administration. There's Tony Sayegh in Treasury and Mercedes Schlapp in communications. Trump recently nominated Heather Nauert, former "Fox and Friends" host turned State Department spokeswoman, to become the next ambassador to the United Nations (having no experience outside broadcast journalism, her appointment was resisted until she finally withdrew -- reportedly for other reasons). Behind the scenes, Sean Hannity, who last year spoke in support of Trump at one of his rallies, regularly advises the President.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 12:16 AM (P)

Fox News spins desperately to shield lawless president from accountability
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/05/fox-news-spins-desp
erately-shield-lawless-president-accountability/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.6efacb074f36

Now that President Trump is heading into a new period of intensified scrutiny from congressional Democrats, even as the special counsel’s investigation approaches its climax, Trump’s political health — and, possibly, his survival as well — depends more than ever on the massive propaganda apparatus that is busily toiling away on his behalf.

Central to this effort is Fox News. Fox personalities are now responding to the new Democratic investigative push, and the true dimensions of their efforts are coming into clearer focus: Precisely because Trump has committed extremely serious misconduct and wrongdoing on so many fronts, some of Fox’s leading voices are resorting to portraying any and all oversight directed at the president as fundamentally illegitimate.

Another way of putting this is that Fox personalities are arguing that Trump should be above accountability — that is, above the law. They don’t put it this way, but this is what they’re really saying.

The sheer Orwellian up-is-downism here is remarkable. Lou Dobbs claimed Democrats are engaged in a “search for a crime” and are “following the lead of Robert Mueller and the radical Dem corruption of both the FBI and the Department of Justice.” One guest scoffed that Mueller had been empowered to investigate crimes he came across “in the process of investigating whatever the heck it was he was authorized to investigate.”

Let me help here: Mueller was authorized to investigate a hostile foreign power’s massive and deliberate subversion of U.S. democracy, which it undertook to get Trump elected president. In service of that end, Mueller has already created a remarkably detailed portrait of the scope and reach of this sabotage effort. In addition to this, Mueller was authorized to investigate whether the Trump campaign colluded with that subversion effort, and other matters that arose in the process.

What these folks are really saying, then, is that investigating this attack on our democracy — regardless of whether conspiracy happened — is itself corrupt and illegitimate. That Trump benefited from illicit help in getting elected — whether or not he would have won without it is irrelevant — must not be acknowledged. Needless to say, nor can the fact that Trump’s top campaign officials eagerly tried to conspire in that effort (which Trump subsequently tried to conceal from the American people).

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 1:36 AM (P)

Baker: Dems opened an impeachment inquiry against Trump in all but name
https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/trump-faces-new-investigation-th
e-biggest-since-mueller-probe-launched-1452114499847?fbclid=IwAR0eFCrXQ53-Nzm1xvYcrZcVUUyVRPdd9vKcP8IthXiA9xQk_IOYlWyxmjA

The wheel never stops turning, Badger.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 3:12 AM (P)

SECOND, every time I read your post and I get that Charlie Brown whuhwhahwuuwhaehu sound in my head. I have no idea who the fuck you think you're posting to. It's like you're trying to "break" my "faith" in Trump when I had no "faith" to begin with. I had three objectives when I voted for Trump, remember? Had nothing to do with him being a nice guy or a great speaker or draining the swamp or making America great again or balancing the budget or being a man of the people. I did call him a national capitalist, remember?

I hope I'm judging him by those three objectives. So far he's made better progress on two of the three, far better than Hillary would have, and made complete hash of the third. Trump deserves criticisms but not on the random and hate filled grounds that you constantly fling at the board.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 3:12 AM (P)

SECOND, every time I read your posts I get that Charlie Brown whuhwhahwuuwhaehu sound in my head. I have no idea who the fuck you think you're posting to. It's like you're trying to "break" my "faith" in Trump when I had no "faith" to begin with. I had three objectives when I voted for Trump, remember? Had nothing to do with him being a nice guy or a great speaker or draining the swamp or making America great again or balancing the budget or being a man of the people. I did call him a national capitalist, remember?

I'm judging him by those three objectives. So far he's made better progress on two of the three, far better than Hillary would have, and made complete hash of the third. Trump deserves criticisms but not on the random and hate filled grounds that you constantly fling at the board.

But you'll just never "get it". You want people to join you in that snake pit of hate that you call a mind. No thanks.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

THG

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 3:46 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

Man are our local trolls stupid or what? The Southern district of NY has filed indictments stating Trump conspired with Cohen to commit elections fraud. Cohen has been sentenced to three years in prison for it. Trump is next. He has been named in the indictment as person number 1.

When they do come for him it will be with this and much much more.

tick tock
That's all nice and interesting, but what it will really do is reduce the number of votes he gets in 2020. If he loses that election, then his problems begins. He will pardon himself for everything, and after years of litigation the GOP controlled Supreme Court will agree

Nope, I disagree...

T

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 5:12 AM (P)

Subpoena, if they do not comply you hold them in contempt and start the impeachment trial immediately.
This is an abuse of power that cannot go unpunished or we are well on our way to a dictator.
He is telling the oversight, that they cannot oversee.
He is challenging the very structure of our constitution.

Don Jr. Signed one of the checks to reimburse Michael Cohen for the Stormy Daniels payments - from the revocable trust that Trump was supposed to put his businesses in so politics couldn't get involved with it...

Ivanka went on TV to state that her dad had nothing to do with security clearances in the last month, to cover for something that isn't illegal for a President to do...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429245-ivanka-trump-claims
-president-had-zero-involvement-in-security
Remember when Trump's kids were trying to get CIA top level security clearance?
After he was cleared by the White House, Kushner’s file was reportedly submitted to the C.I.A. to be evaluated for an S.C.I., or “sensitive compartmented information” clearance—an even higher designation. It didn’t go well:
After reviewing the file, C.I.A. officers who make clearance decisions balked, two of the people familiar with the matter said. One called over to the White House security division, wondering how Kushner got even a top-secret clearance, the sources said.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/jared-kushner-security-clearan
ce

Beyond that, Kushner and Ivanka hang out with an accused Chinese spy who they were warned about and still hang out with.
On Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported that counterintelligence officials in early 2017 warned Jared Kushner that Wendi Deng Murdoch might be using her relationship with Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, to aid the Chinese government.
http://fortune.com/2018/01/16/kushner-trump-deng-murdoch-china-spy/

That accused Chinese spy, is the ex wife of Rupert Murdoch (Owner of FOX)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Deng_Murdoch
Who is also close to Tony Blair
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/13/rupert-murdoch-hurt-by-c
loseness-of-wendi-deng-and-tony-blair-editor-reveals
Who also hangs out on Yachts with sanctioned Russian oligarchs.
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/aw852p/warren_vows_no_pardo
ns_for_those_caught_up_in/ehkmuqs/
If you want to read more as to why she was on that yacht, read this.
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/aw852p/warren_vows_no_pardo
ns_for_those_caught_up_in/ehkmuqs/

Jared Kushner talks to Wendy Deng's ex husband daily (owner of FOX news)
https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-fox-news-rupert-murdoch-1351010

And since MBS is friends with Jared...
Remember when the Saudis (MBS's Friend) bought the most expensive painting on record, from a sanctioned Russian Oligarch?
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/blog/2017/12/7/mbss-friend-was-myste
ry-buyer-of-450-million-jesus-painting
A friend of Saudi Arabia's powerful crown prince Mohammed bin Salman was the mystery buyer of "Salvator Mundi," a painting of Christ by Leonardo Da Vinci that recently sold for a record $450 million.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelauyeung/2017/11/15/at-auction-russia
n-billionaire-sells-da-vinci-painting-for-the-most-money-ever-in-history/#1794d2397124

The New York Times on Wednesday, citing documents it reviewed, identified the buyer as Saudi Arabia's Prince Bader bin Abdullah bin Mohammed bin Farhan al-Saud, whose country forbids the official worship of Christ or any other religion except Islam.
Why wouldn't they be involved? Russia needed money and they personally gave a guy almost half a billion dollars.

That same oligarch is the one who bought the suspicious property from Trump in Florida for double the value, during the 2008 recession.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 11:18 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

Just a reminder, THUGR, where you started out in this thread.

Seems you veered off the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! track, and are haring and hounding after another circus.

God, you have the brains of a cockroach.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 1:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, every time I read your post and I get that Charlie Brown whuhwhahwuuwhaehu sound in my head. I have no idea who the fuck you think you're posting to. It's like you're trying to "break" my "faith" in Trump when I had no "faith" to begin with. I had three objectives when I voted for Trump, remember? Had nothing to do with him being a nice guy or a great speaker or draining the swamp or making America great again or balancing the budget or being a man of the people. I did call him a national capitalist, remember?

I hope I'm judging him by those three objectives. So far he's made better progress on two of the three, far better than Hillary would have, and made complete hash of the third. Trump deserves criticisms but not on the random and hate filled grounds that you constantly fling at the board.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

What were your 3 objectives again?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 1:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

Just a reminder, THUGR, where you started out in this thread.

Seems you veered off the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! track, and are haring and hounding after another circus.

God, you have the brains of a cockroach.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

Amazing that, while ignoring the neverending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated, these Trolls believe all of the Fake implications and innuendos that aren't even crimes.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 1:40 PM (P)

Only 2,249 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002180

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 7:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Amazing that, while ignoring the neverending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated, these Trolls believe all of the Fake implications and innuendos that aren't even crimes.

Trump has already been caught cheating on his taxes: The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

And Trump continues to cheat on his taxes: President Trump really, really doesn’t want the public to see his tax returns. To keep them from view, he has endured a controversy that has now been running for three years, with all the attendant bad publicity and persistent questions, so it was obviously worth a great deal of political risk to make sure they remained secret.

It is absolutely necessary to examine the Trump Organization’s returns as well, since Trump refused to divest himself of his assets as other presidents had done and, even as we speak, it serves as a conduit for all kinds of interested parties — both foreign and domestic — to put money in the president’s pocket.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 8:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Amazing that, while ignoring the never ending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated...

Cites? What crimes?

Amazing that, while constantly claiming of a never ending roster of crimes that Obama & Clinton perpetrated, the GOP has never successfully indicted either of them for ANY single crime. Not even after 7 Benghazi trials. Nothing, nada, zero. How ineffective is the GOP? That's like the definition of gross incompetence if your claims are correct. Or maybe you're just making sh*t up?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:09 PM (P)

Quote:

SECOND, every time I read your post and I get that Charlie Brown whuhwhahwuuwhaehu sound in my head. I have no idea who the fuck you think you're posting to. It's like you're trying to "break" my "faith" in Trump when I had no "faith" to begin with. I had three objectives when I voted for Trump, remember? Had nothing to do with him being a nice guy or a great speaker or draining the swamp or making America great again or balancing the budget or being a man of the people. I did call him a national capitalist, remember?

I hope I'm judging him by those three objectives. So far he's made better progress on two of the three, far better than Hillary would have, and made complete hash of the third. Trump deserves criticisms but not on the random and hate filled grounds that you constantly fling at the board. SIGNY

What were your 3 objectives again?-JSF

1) Stay out of "free trade agreements" that give up our sovereignty ... ie our ability to make our own laws and standards ... to a secret, corporate transnational trade tribunal which decides on the basis of "normal and expected profits". If a city (state, or the USA) wanted to ban glyphosate, for example, it could be sued by Monsanto on the basis that it interfered with "normal and expected profits", and Monsanto would win. I was mostly concerned about TTP and TTIP.

2) Make an issue out of illegal immigration instead of secretly promoting it. Not "build a wall" but do whatever was necesssary to both reduce the inflow of illegal immigrants and improve deportation.

3) Make nice with Russia and (presumably) Russia's partners. My hope was that Trump would find a way to end our endless wars and interventions abroad since much of it was based on reflexive Brzezinski-era neocon thinking, altho I DID point out that Trump's anti-Iranian stance was going to conflict with his Russia-neutral stance. I wasn't sure how that would play out. But I see that Trump is exremely concerned about the strength of the petrodollar - plus he's reflexively pro-Israel (prolly because Kushner is driving that aspect of foreign policy) and that Trump ... whatever his original objectives might have been ... has painted himself into a neocon corner.

As GSTRING himself has pointed out, I'm vociferously and consistently anti-war/anti-intervention and have been thru the GWB wars/interventions, the Obama wars/interventions and the Trump wars (so far, no actual wars) and interventions. THAT is where Trump deserves long and loud criticism.

I said that Trump would never be able to rebuild our economy (that is a multi-decade project which would require that the government be able to direct investment into certain critical areas), and of course draining the swamp and getting rid of The Fed and fractional reserve banking is enitrely out of reach. I'm also against his environmental, tax, fiscal, and monetary (pressuring Powell) policies and think that Trump is way too concerned about the stock market - but those are all entirely reversible by the next administration simply because WE HAVE NOT BEEN HOGTIED BY INTERNATIONAL "FREE TRADE" AGREEMENTS. IMHO THAT issue was of such permanent importance that I was willing to give up on some other goals temporarily in favor of that.

I don't think that GSTRING and REAVERBOT understand how critically important that was for the USA ... not to maintain its environmental standards, but to maintain our LEGAL and ECONOMIC CAPACITY to make those decisions in the future. As I posted: Ocasio Cortez n thank Trump any time now for HER ability to propose New Green Deal, to propose reshaping our energy infrastructure and subsidize who we want to subsidize ... because under TTP and TTIP it would have been deader than a doornail.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for p

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

As GSTRING himself has pointed out, I'm vociferously and consistently anti-war/anti-intervention and have been thru the GWB wars/interventions, the Obama wars/interventions and the Trump wars (so far, no actual wars) and interventions. THAT is where Trump deserves long and loud criticism.

I said that Trump would never be able to rebuild our economy (that is a multi-decade project which would require that the government be able to direct investment into certain critical areas), and of course draining the swamp and getting rid of The Fed and fractional reserve banking is enitrely out of reach. I'm also against his environmental, tax, and fiscal policies - but those are all entirely reversible by the next administration simply because WE HAVE NOT BEEN HOGTIED BY INTERNATIONAL "FREE TRADE" AGREEMENTS. IMHO THAT issue was of such permanent importance that I was willing to give up on some other goals temporarily in favor of that.

I don't think that GSTRING and REAVERBOT understand how critically important that was for the USA ... not to maintain its environmental standards, but to maintain our LEGAL and ECONOMIC CAPACITY to make those decisions in the future. As I posted: Ocasio Cortez n thank Trump any time now for HER ability to propose New Green Deal, because under TTP and TTIP it would have been deader than a doornail.

Signym, there is no combination of people that can make your imaginary USA into a reality, no matter how many centuries they have. Not the President alone could make it happen, no matter how energetic, clear thinking or charismatic. Not the President plus Congress. Not the legislatures of all 50 states. Signym, you are fantasizing. I guess if you took everyone in the USA and lumped them into one powerful group, maybe your imaginary USA could come into existence, but it won't be a functioning group because everyone will be pulling in different directions. See the last 200 years of American history for how that happens.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:44 PM (P)

SECOND, the USA's dilemmas are the result of bad policy decisions made by the elite. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY, remember? And, you LIKE it this way- you said so yourself. No wonder you keep arguing that nothing can be changed because - ultimately - you don't want it to. It cuts across your vital self-interest. Cui bono? YOU. Of course.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, the USA's dilemmas are the result of bad policy decisions made by the elite. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY, remember? And, you LIKE it this way- you said so yourself. No wonder you keep arguing that nothing can be changed because - ultimately - you don't want it to. It cuts across your vital self-interest. Cui bono? YOU. Of course.

Signym, you are writing bullshit. Maybe you'd understand if you have ever tried some huge task as your responsibility to thousands of people that takes thousands of people to accomplish. I don't know who you are, but I am pretty sure you have always been on the outside watching and not understanding what is happening around you. I notice a lot of employees don't understand what they are doing, why it is important, or why (when they do it badly) that they have screwed over people they never knew. They could not care less. It is only their pay that they care about. It is a pretty unfortunate system for the elite when nearly everybody doesn't give a damn about anybody but themselves or will even bother to understand what being done.

Look at the corporate world. When a company gets past a million workers, it has enormous difficulties reaching its simple goals. Now take a third of billion Americans. They can't possibly function together to attain simple goals because they don't have a unified list of goals. They have non-overlapping goals in millions of lists.

Maybe I should tie this all back to Trump. Americans have built a country that is all about money -- getting it, spending it, cheating people out of it. Unsurprising that Trump is also all about money. He kept his businesses. He keeps cheating on his taxes. He can't be bothered to understand that when he does his job badly he is screwing over people he never knew. So long as the money keeps flowing to Trump, he thinks he has done right.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 10:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
\Amazing that, while ignoring the neverending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated, these Trolls believe all of the Fake implications and innuendos that aren't even crimes.

Yeah, all those fictional "Obama crimes."

Obama = bad, Trump = good, Putin = God. Russian troll.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 11:48 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Yeah, all those fictional "Obama crimes."

Sixty-four percent of respondents to the survey think that Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, compared to 24 percent who do not and 13 percent who said they didn’t know. When the data is broken out across party lines, a whopping 89 percent of Democrats think Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, while a still-notable 33 percent of Republicans do. Sixty-five percent of independents also said they felt the same.

When it comes to the question of potential crimes during Trump’s time in office, people are a bit more unsure. Forty-five percent of respondents said they believed he had committed crimes since taking office, while 43 percent disagreed.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2603

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Yeah, all those fictional "Obama crimes."
Sixty-four percent of respondents to the survey think that Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, compared to 24 percent who do not and 13 percent who said they didn’t know. When the data is broken out across party lines, a whopping 89 percent of Democrats think Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, while a still-notable 33 percent of Republicans do. Sixty-five percent of independents also said they felt the same.

When it comes to the question of potential crimes during Trump’s time in office, people are a bit more unsure. Forty-five percent of respondents said they believed he had committed crimes since taking office, while 43 percent disagreed.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2603

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Ask me if any politician committed a crime before taking office and I'll tell you 100% of them did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:29 AM (P)

I wonder how many people think Bill Clinton committed a crime before taking office?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
nk
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:39 AM (P)

Quote:

SECOND, the USA's dilemmas are the result of bad policy decisions made by the elite. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY, remember? And, you LIKE it this way- you said so yourself. No wonder you keep arguing that nothing can be changed because - ultimately - you don't want it to. It cuts across your vital self-interest. Cui bono? YOU. Of course. SIGNY

Signym, you are writing bullshit.

Says the giant bullshitter.

Quote:
Maybe you'd understand if you have ever tried some huge task as your responsibility to thousands of people that takes thousands of people to accomplish.

Been there, done that.

Quote:
blah blah blah blah ... It is only their pay that they care about.

why should an employee care about the companys goals? Does the company care about THEM? Americans rightly understand that conscientiousness and hard work is not rewarded, it's preyed upon.

Quote:
It is a pretty unfortunate system for the elite when nearly everybody doesn't give a damn about anybody but themselves or will even bother to understand what being done.

And yet, that is the system that YOU (and they) like: "The messy american system ... where I can do as I please" - even tho it encourages little people to get away with little crimes, it allows big people to get away with big crimes.

Quote:
They have non-overlapping goals in millions of lists.

And yet, nations HAVE built, and rebuilt, themselves. Built themselves up from peasantry to industrialism. Rebuilt themselves from times of war and collapse. Consciously and deliberately. So, it is possible. The problem is, average Americans would have to stop doing as they please but -more importantly- you and the other elites would have to stop doing as YOU please.

Quote:
Maybe I should tie this all back to Trump.

Why? Trump is not the cause of our current problem, he's a symptom.

Quote:
Americans have built a country that is all about money -- getting it, spending it, cheating people out of it.

No, th ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".

You fit right in to the elite mold.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 3:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

No, the ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".

Sigmund Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, spotted the weaknesses that many Americans have. Americans don’t want to make big decisions, fear being responsible, and don’t swiftly correct their errors. Most won't even admit to error: see the people who voted for Trump. Trump knows these three weakness about Americans. He has been getting rich from other’s weaknesses for decades. It is a ready made situation for a hierarchy to take over a crowd of indecisive, fearful Republicans that are bluffing about their confidence in themselves. Trump’s advantage in swindling these people is that he does not admit to error and can hide his fearfulness. He’s not particularly good at making decisions, either, but he sure can pretend. That’s all he needs in order to gather a mob for himself to rule. That, plus a civil court system that never functioned well.

The Mueller investigation is showing how badly we’ve failed to prosecute white-collar crime. It shouldn’t take a special counsel to catch these guys.
www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17757636/cohen-manafort-white-collar-crime

Kavanaugh and Trump are part of a larger crisis of elite accountability in America
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/21/17876832/kavanaugh-trump-cri
sis-elite-accountability

Trump isn’t a toddler — he’s a product of America’s culture of impunity for the rich
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/18/15654566/trump-toddler
Trump’s “law and order” attorney general wants to throw the book at relatively small-time drug offenders. Trump himself has spent his entire career skating away from lawbreaking with a fine paid here and a political contribution there. He’s an unusual figure, but also very much an exemplar of his era and a product of a decades-long ideological campaign to do as much as possible to empower the wealthy and powerful.

From his empty-box tax scam to money laundering at his casinos to racial discrimination in his apartments to Federal Trade Commission violations for his stock purchases to Securities and Exchange Commission violations for his financial reporting, Trump has spent his entire career breaking various laws, getting caught, and then essentially plowing ahead unharmed. When he was caught engaging in illegal racial discrimination to please a mob boss, he paid a fine. There was no sense that this was a repeated pattern of violating racial discrimination law, and certainly no desire to take a closer look at his various personal and professional connections to the Mafia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:01 AM (P)

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Amazing that, while ignoring the never ending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated...

Cites? What crimes?

Amazing that, while constantly claiming of a never ending roster of crimes that Obama & Clinton perpetrated, the GOP has never successfully indicted either of them for ANY single crime. Not even after 7 Benghazi trials. Nothing, nada, zero. How ineffective is the GOP? That's like the definition of gross incompetence if your claims are correct. Or maybe you're just making sh*t up?

Manafort gets sentenced tomorrow. Exciting shit ain't it?

T

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:12 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Maybe I should tie this all back to Trump.
Why? Trump is not the cause of our current problem, he's a symptom.

Symptom? He is not the cause? Signym, please stop using metaphors. Use the right description by blaming Trump and the GOP:

Over the course of 2017, both in Congress and in the executive branch, we have watched the task of government devolve into the full-scale looting of America.

Politicians are making decisions to enrich their donors — and at times themselves personally — with a reckless disregard for any kind of objective policy analysis or consideration of public opinion.

A businessman president who promised — repeatedly — that he would not personally benefit from his own tax proposals is poised to sign into law a bill that’s full of provisions that benefit him and his family. Congressional Republicans who spent years insisting that “dynamic scoring” would capture the deficit-reducing power of tax cuts are now plowing ahead with a bill so fast that they don’t have time to get one done, because it turns out they can’t be bothered to meet their own targets.

Meanwhile, in the background an incredible flurry of regulatory activity is happening out of public view — much of it contrary to free market principles but all of it lucrative for big business and Trump cronies.

Members of Congress who under other circumstances might be constrained by shame, custom, or the will of their constituents have learned from Trump’s election that you can get away with more than we used to think.

Norm erosion is real, and it matters. Economists Daron Acemoglu and Matthew Jackson of MIT and Stanford have written about how rules are only effective when they are backed up by social norms “because detection relies, at least in part, on whistle-blowing.” Their Spanish colleague Patricia Funk emphasizes that in a variety of contexts, “the strength of the social norm of ‘not committing a crime’ is shaped by social interactions.”

These scholars are all considering deep, long-lasting differences in cultural norms, but we also know from experience that norms can sometimes shift dramatically in unusual circumstances. Sometimes a blackout or other disaster prompts a few people who would ordinarily be too cautious to break store windows in broad daylight to become more brazen. And the normal course of ordinary life flips into reverse, as those with some inclination toward bad acts recognize a moment of impunity and grab what they can, while those who would ordinarily be invested in upholding order are afraid and stay inside. The sheer quantity of bad acts makes it impossible for anyone to hold anyone accountable. Soon, a whole neighborhood can be in ruins.

Or a whole country.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/19/16786006/looting-of-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 8:09 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SECOND

Weak Americans ... blah blah blah Trump blah blah blah GOP... blah blah ...

SECOND, first you claim that "the problem" is inherent in the American people (once again demonstrating your hatred of America) and then you lay it all on Trump. Which is it? Make up your mind.

Do you have a mind?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND

Weak Americans ... blah blah blah Trump blah blah blah GOP... blah blah ...

SECOND, first you claim that "the problem" is inherent in the American people (once again demonstrating your hatred of America) and then you lay it all on Trump. Which is it? Make up your mind.

Do you have a mind?

Signym, this isn't as complicated as you make it seem. Trump was loud and clear about who he is and what he has done. Yet he was elected. He let the Trump voters know everything about himself. Even that he is a hardcore tax cheater:
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

Trump has a criminal past. And yet he got elected. There is something wrong with those voters for ignoring that. The voters can't claim ignorance and thus dodge responsibility for what they have done. Trump made it very clear who he has always been.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474
726/

And then there is the matter of money. That's the one thing everybody knows about Trump, that he is rich. One of the most pressing questions facing America, currently under assault by incredibly rich, incredibly evil people: “What is the monetary amount where your soul turns?” Guess what? Trump surpassed the number by a factor of at least 100 times larger. And yet he got elected. There has got to be something wrong with people who voted for Trump if they didn't make the connection between his wealth, plus how he achieved wealth, and what he would be doing once he was President.

See the funny video where the audience works out that number:
https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/hasan-minhaj-deep-cuts-how-much-mone
y-ruins-soul.html
The segment ends without reaching a clear consensus on the exact point at which money ruins someone’s soul, and that’s a question we’ll need a serious answer for, but Trump is definitely on the wrong side of the line. And it was wrong to vote for him. But if America is all about money, first-last-always, then it is unsurprising that Trump was elected -- he had the most money.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:53 PM (P)

SECOND, do you really REALLY think that Trump is worse than ... say ... Bill and Hillary Clinton? Or Obama?

I've got news for you, muchacho, people sometimes actually vote for a person who promises POLICY changes, not a WH "daddy" or "mommy".

IMHO the REAL driver of the vote for Trump? "More of the same" was simply intolerable for half of the voting public.

And btw, you seem to think that "democrats" represent "the people"... this, after
your post on JFK as a cowardly sex addict who who was being blackmailed by the FBI and Johnson as crude, vulgar and sadistic person ... but whatever affinity the Democratic Party had for "the people" they lost it, certainly by the time Billy boy took office. All you have to do is look at what Billy "accomplished" ... "free" trade, commodities speculation, extra intellectual property rights for digital content, the end of banking effective banking regulation, and the end of welfare as we know it ... to know that Billy-boy was in the pockets of some very wealthy banking elites.

God, you're worse than Trump.

BTW, I'm not posting this for you; you're a lost cause. Your brain has been pickled in bile and hatred for years, and you no longer know which way is up.

When I look at the environmental, economic, financial, fiscal, and social crises that are upon us... and the Democrats, pretending that they can spend their way over those vast cracks by printing more money .... holy fuck, SECOND, we're in such deep shit, and both the DNC and the GOP are engaging in deep denial that I can't help but predict complete collapse in five years.

Meanwhile, you endlessly rant from your soapbox about the stupidest stuff.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 6:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, do you really REALLY think that Trump is worse than ... say ... Bill and Hillary Clinton? Or Obama?

You have lost your mind, Signym, if you forgive Trump for cheating on his taxes and for paying minor penalties rather than going to prison like an Enron executive goes to prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

When I look at the environmental, economic, financial, fiscal, and social crises that are upon us... and the Democrats, pretending that they can spend their way over those vast cracks by printing more money .... holy fuck, SECOND, we're in such deep shit, and both the DNC and the GOP are engaging in deep denial that I can't help but predict complete collapse in five years.

Signym, check back here in 5 years. I predict your predictions will be wrong. But I don't have to wait 5 years to know you have been crazy for the previous 5 years. (Personal note: Sixty years ago I remember the preachers predicting Armageddon [could be] just around the corner. The preachers could be right, eventually, but not yet. I hope to live long enough to see it up close and real personal. I'll bring popcorn and soft drinks for everybody, like it is a movie we are living inside until the Director kills all us wicked people to make a dramatic point for those who will be Saved: www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Armageddon )

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 6:59 PM (P)

SECOND, Bill and Hillary are a crime family. There have been crimes PROVEN against them. Associates, like the McDougals, who went to prison protecting them. A pattern (by Bill) of rape and/or sexual assault. A CLEAR pattern of hiding evidence, like the Whitewater files that conveniently turned up right after the case was dropped, and the 33,0000 emails about Chelsea's wedding and yoga pants that were careully bleach-bitted from Hillary's private (illegal) server. Vast sums of foreign money poured into the "Clinton Foundation" and into "speakers fees" (like the $500,000 that Bill got for a speech in Russia). Even deeper, darker allegations, like the trail of "suicides" that runs heavily thru the list of people who were to testify against the Clintons; or the number of times that Bill travelled on the Lolita Express, and even the Haitian child trafficking funded by Bill's "aid to Haiti" which seems to gone into everyone's pockets EXCEPT the Haitians. (Interestingly, I heard a comment by a foreign journalist who knew somebody who had recently lived in Haiti for six months; he said that the level of depravity in Haiti ... from child sex slavery to organ harvesting .... was shocking; and this was the kind of activity that Bill's "charity" was supposedly engaged in).

There is nothing that you can post that would shock me. People at that level of power are often depraved or ideologically crazed or just completely corrupted; doesn't matter which party they're in. It's the whole "power corrupts" problem, except that people in power aren't innocents who've been corrupted by power: The system sifts for sociopaths and psychopaths; it rewards them.

And you wonder why the hoi polloi don't want to play by the rules!?!?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, Bill and Hillary are a crime family. There have been crimes PROVEN against them. Associates, like the McDougals, who went to prison protecting them. A pattern (by Bill) of rape and/or sexual assault. A CLEAR pattern of hiding evidence, like the Whitewater files that conveniently turned up right after the case was dropped, and the 33,0000 emails about Chelsea's wedding and yoga pants that were careully bleach-bitted from Hillary's private (illegal) server. Vast sums of foreign money poured into the "Clinton Foundation" and into "speakers fees" (like the $500,000 that Bill got for a speech in Russia). Even deeper, darker allegations, like the trail of "suicides" that runs heavily thru the list of people who were to testify against the Clintons; or the number of times that Bill travelled on the Lolita Express, and even the Haitian child trafficking funded by Bill's "aid to Haiti" which seems to gone into everyone's pockets EXCEPT the Haitians. (Interestingly, I heard a comment by a foreign journalist who knew somebody who had recently lived in Haiti for six months; he said that the level of depravity in Haiti ... from child sex slavery to organ harvesting .... was shocking; and this was the kind of activity that Bill's "charity" was supposedly engaged in).

I'm thankful that the Clinton gang is not in the White House, for if they were I would not have gotten a multimillion dollar per year tax cut designed to benefit Trump and me. That is the silver lining to the Trump cloud.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:08 PM (P)

So bascially you don't care how corrupt a politician is, you just care about whether they net you any money?

Please, for the love of god, STOP whinging about Trump, the GOP, and corruption! You're as corrupt as any of them.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So bascially you don't care how corrupt a politician is, you just care about whether they net you any money?

Please, for the love of god, STOP whinging about Trump, the GOP, and corruption! You're as corrupt as any of them.

I forgot: I can now also pollute as much as I want under Trump. I haven't because of inertia. I keep following the EPA rules under Obama. I could hire some illegal aliens, like my Republican competition. Again, I haven't out of inertia, but I know Trump will not enforce the law about hiring illegals. He does it, himself.

The Washington Post published an important story on Wednesday about an undocumented immigrant named Juan Quintero who was employed by the Trump family for years—working particularly closely with Eric Trump at an upstate New York hunting property he co-owns with his brother, Don Jr.—but has now been laid off, seemingly for the sake of political optics, and left unable to support his family. It’s the latest in a series of reports that make clear that the Trumps were happy until very recently to systematically exploit the low cost of undocumented labor when it suited them, even as they complained publicly that illegal immigration is an infestation that is ruining America.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-presidents-sons-entrusted-their-pr
ivate-hunting-retreat-to-a-caretaker-he-was-working-in-the-country-illegally/2019/03/06/d86b4e80-35f9-11e9-a400-e481bf264fdc_story.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:14 PM (P)

Quote:

So bascially you don't care how corrupt a politician is, you just care about whether they net you any money?

Please, for the love of god, STOP whinging about Trump, the GOP, and corruption! You're as corrupt as any of them.
Quote:
I forgot: I can now also pollute as much as I want under Trump. I haven't because of inertia. I keep following the EPA rules under Obama.

SECOND, it pains me to see you living in such cognitive and moral dissonance. Please, get help.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:32 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, it pains me to see you living in such cognitive and moral dissonance. Please, get help.

Signym, I am getting the help I need from Trump. The biggest money-making opportunity that is now available to me only exists because of Trump: I can now cheat on my taxes, if I feel like it. Trump shut down auditing by the IRS for 45 days. He cut back the budget for the IRS auditors, too. He won't release his tax returns because he doesn't want the public to calculate what his true taxes are. Trump remembers that Nixon got caught tax cheating by a civilian, not by the IRS. It cost Nixon half of his wealth to pay what he owed. Trump doesn't want that to happen to him, which is why all his tax returns are top secret. Trump is a big help in guiding the rich to become tax cheaters.

www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df80075b9dd/f
8723e3606cd79ec85256ff6006f82c3?OpenDocument

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 7, 2019 8:36 PM (P)

Good for you and your fake money, bud.

Marcos thanks you for all the cow farts.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 9:12 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Good for you, bud.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

On My 600-lb. Life, a TV show in Houston, a patient prepared a breakfast of 1 lb sugar, 1 lb melted butter, blend in a bowl, and eat with a spoon. It is a very energizing breakfast for a fat person. Trump is like that breakfast. He sells what tastes good and gives you energy to face the day. He eats the same. On the other hand, Hillary is a bowl of oatmeal with only a sprinkle of sugar on top. So bland. This is why the rich prefer Trump, the breakfast of winners.
www.newsweek.com/my-600-pound-life-update-spoilers-destinee-lashaee-no
w-1354267

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Thursday, March 7, 2019 10:48 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

No, th ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".

Didn't you mean the (((ELITES)))?

SECOND

Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

No, th ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".

Didn't you mean the (((ELITES)))?

The Century of the Self is a 2002 British television documentary series by filmmaker Adam Curtis. It focuses on the work of psychoanalysts Sigmund Freud and Anna Freud, and PR consultant Edward Bernays. In episode one, Curtis says, "This series is about how those in power have used Freud's theories to try and control the dangerous crowd in an age of mass democracy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self

I'm certain that Americans were greedy moneygrubbers at least a century before Sigmund Freud was born. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson caused a great deal of harm to America by owning slaves, in order to get personally wealthy, and by writing slavery into the Constitution.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

No, th ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".

Didn't you mean the (((ELITES)))?

HUH?

And, why do you care? The world is going to end in ten years anyway.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:51 PM (P)

SECOND, you'll find greedy money-grubbers in EVERY nation. And those greedy money-grubbers who trangress the ethics of honesty, fairness, and hard work??? They're called sociopaths. You'll find them in every nation, and every political party everywhere. (And btw, do you really think that Hillary wasn't going to represent the rich? Dood, she was going to represent the rich ... bankers, pharmaceutical corporations, health insurances ... people who are far richer than you could ever dream of being.)

"The problem" is that greedy money-grubbers (such as yourself) have completely taken over the media and government and changed laws and the social narrative to make what they do ACCEPTABLE. "Greed is good".

Back in "the day", when people had to scrabble a living from their farms or their own small businesses, hard work was rewarded. But since the dawn of capitalism and centralized production, rewards flow to the owner, not the worker. Now, they flow to the speculator. Hell, considering how poorly hard work, honesty, and diligence are rewarded, it's surprising that you can find anyone who exhibits any of those traits any more.

The message to the masses changed from a Puritanical belief in hard work to one of mass consumption. This was only possible because the USD became the world currency, and thus we were able to consume what we never produced.

Not to worry ... it's coming to an end. And the bread and circuses that kept Americans torpid is going to end with it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Friday, March 8, 2019 12:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you'll find greedy money-grubbers in EVERY nation. And those greedy money-grubbers who trangress the ethics of honesty, fairness, and hard work??? They're called sociopaths. You'll find them in every nation, and every political party everywhere. (And btw, do you really think that Hillary wasn't going to represent the rich? Dood, she was going to represent the rich ... bankers, pharmaceutical corporations, health insurances ... people who are far richer than you could ever dream of being.)

"The problem" is that greedy money-grubbers (such as yourself) have completely taken over the media and government and changed laws and the social narrative to make what they do ACCEPTABLE. "Greed is good".

Back in "the day", when people had to scrabble a living from their farms or their own small businesses, hard work was rewarded. But since the dawn of capitalism and centralized production, rewards flow to the owner, not the worker. Now, they flow to the speculator. Hell, considering how poorly hard work, honesty, and diligence are rewarded, it's surprising that you can find anyone who exhibits any of those traits any more.

The message to the masses changed from a Puritanical belief in hard work to one of mass consumption. This was only possible because the USD became the world currency, and thus we were able to consume what we never produced.

Not to worry ... it's coming to an end. And the bread and circuses that kept Americans torpid is going to end with it.

I mentioned Washington, Jefferson, and slavery for a reason: to point out that white Southerners were a bunch of moneygrubbing thugs and murderers in 1860, many years before Freud supposedly taught the wealthy how to manipulate the voters. The elite didn't make the common person that way. The common person did it to themselves because they didn't want to do the work themselves, but they did want wealth and security from owning slaves:

The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned slaves. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent in Arkansas).

But as Jamelle Bouie and Rebecca Onion point out in Slate, the percentages don’t fully express the extent to which the antebellum South was a slave society, built on a foundation of slavery. Many of those white families who couldn’t afford slaves aspired to, as a symbol of wealth and prosperity. In addition, the essential ideology of white supremacy that served as a rationale for slavery, made it extremely difficult — and terrifying — for white Southerners to imagine life alongside a black majority population that was not in bondage. In this way, many non-slave-owning Confederates went to war to protect not only slavery, but to preserve the foundation of the only way of life they knew.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/slavery-myths-seven-lies-h
alf-truths-and-irrelevancies-people-trot-out-about-slavery-debunked.html
www.history.com/news/5-myths-about-slavery

Trump is very appealing to Neo-Confederates of the 21st Century. If a Republican tells you it doesn't exist in his party, tell him he must not live in the South.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Friday, March 8, 2019 1:37 AM (P)

tick tock

What is the justice department doing to Trump? They are deconstructing him. Taking his organization apart to examine, in order to reveal, the basis or composition. Often with the intention of exposing biases, flaws, or inconsistencies deconstructing the myths.

Oh no donnie

T

SIGNYM

Friday, March 8, 2019 1:51 AM (P)

And then second, there were the greedy sociopathic robber baron industrialists who were ... ta da! ... northern industrialists! And the greedy sociopathic robber barons of Silicon Valley! And the greedy sociopathic Jewish Rothschild bankers of Europe!

My god, SECOND, you're just plainly obsessed. I mean like something you'd find in the DSM.

You're like a flat earther. So seriously not worth the time

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 8, 2019 9:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Good for you, bud.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
On My 600-lb. Life, a TV show in Houston, a patient prepared a breakfast of 1 lb sugar, 1 lb melted butter, blend in a bowl, and eat with a spoon. It is a very energizing breakfast for a fat person. Trump is like that breakfast. He sells what tastes good and gives you energy to face the day. He eats the same. On the other hand, Hillary is a bowl of oatmeal with only a sprinkle of sugar on top. So bland. This is why the rich prefer Trump, the breakfast of winners.
www.newsweek.com/my-600-pound-life-update-spoilers-destinee-lashaee-no
w-1354267

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

What Trump does from day to day has little to nothing to do with my life or how I live it.

I'd say if anything, you're the one of the both of us gorging yourself on Trump.

You're malnourished, son. Go do something positive with your life instead of bitching and moaning all day about evil Texas republicans and the diets of fat sacks of shit in Houston.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Friday, March 8, 2019 5:03 PM (P)

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SECOND

Friday, March 8, 2019 5:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What Trump does from day to day has little to nothing to do with my life or how I live it.

Trump is doing 3 things that could affect your life. They might be big enough that you will notice after Trump - the Unwisest President - is gone. These are all things that grow from Trump's wacko personality and a GOP controlled Senate. An average President won't have these problems because he would be wise enough to steer well clear. Two of them are deficits and the third involves Trump building nukes:

Here are the two deficits:

1) Tariff Man Has Become Deficit Man:
Trump has no idea how international trade works.

Republicans in Congress spent the entire Obama administration inveighing against budget deficits, warning incessantly that we were going to have a Greek-style fiscal crisis any day now. Donald Trump, on the other hand, focused his ire mainly on trade deficits, insisting that “our jobs and wealth are being given to other countries that have taken advantage of us.”

But over two years of unified G.O.P. control of government, a funny thing happened: Both deficits surged. The budget deficit has hit a level unprecedented except during wars and in the immediate aftermath of major economic crises. The trade deficit in goods has set a record $891 billion, its highest level in history.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD
www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/us-trade-deficit.html

2) Trump’s budget deficit will be over $12 trillion dollars. You read that number right. If unemployment increases in the future, the deficit will be much, much larger. It did not have to be this way, but Trump rewrote the tax code so that it will increase the deficit.
www.statista.com/statistics/216998/forecast-of-the-federal-debt-of-the
-united-states/

Here is Trump building nukes that America would be better off without:

3) Trump’s nuclear policy could get us all killed

https://qz.com/1566325/

Drastically reducing America’s nuclear arsenal will strengthen US national security, nonproliferation expert Bruce Blair, a former US Air Force nuclear launch officer, told Congress today (March 6).

The MacArthur “genius grant” recipient said Donald Trump’s plan to expand US nuclear capabilities (pdf) will make the world a more dangerous place—and leave America more vulnerable to attack.

Appearing before the House Armed Services Committee, Blair called for the US to “return to the original, and generally accepted, basic premise of nuclear weapons”—using them solely for deterrence. Fighting war should be left to conventional forces, Blair insisted, according to prepared testimony he shared with Quartz.

“Our hair-trigger launch posture, which the Russians matched, continues to run the risk that fear, misperception, miscalculation, accident or false warning could trigger a nuclear exchange,” Blair said. “This risk of blundering into a nuclear war, rather than a cold-blooded sudden attack, presents what is by far the greatest immediate physical threat to the United States today.”

Trump’s proposed overhaul of nuclear forces would cost at least $1.7 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Blair lays out plans for a dramatically scaled-down version of current US capabilities, which he described in a phone interview as “massive overkill.”

Blair, a research scholar at Princeton University’s Program on Science and Global Security, told Quartz he hopes his alternative gets traction in the Democrat-controlled House. It will face opposition from the Republican Senate, the White House, and Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton, whom Blair characterized as a “one-man wrecking ball when it comes to arms control.”

“As you consider funding a makeover of our nuclear forces, it is a good time to choose between these competing worldviews. Should dangerous and unrealistic notions of warfighting continue to shape our nuclear posture and drive our investments, or should we pivot to a secure second-strike deterrent posture and leave w

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 8, 2019 5:45 PM (P)

I've been screaming about the deficit for 20 years now, and to be honest, nobody gave a shit about it before and my throat's tired.

What? Trump's in office and suddenly you give a shit?

As for nuclear war, meh. Somebody's going to blow the world up one of these days. They're all a bunch of sociopaths running things, both in our own country and everybody else's.

Hey. At least we won't have to wait for all the drinkable water to evaporate or be so full of radiation that we glow in the dark when we drink it if that happens.

Bottom line... I honestly don't care, buddy. Nobody cared before. Nobody is going to do anything about any of it. I'm certainly not going to be manipulated into hating Trump with this info now that the whole Russia conspiracy theory isn't going to work.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, March 8, 2019 5:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And then second, there were the greedy sociopathic robber baron industrialists who were ... ta da! ... northern industrialists! And the greedy sociopathic robber barons of Silicon Valley! And the greedy sociopathic Jewish Rothschild bankers of Europe!

I do not find your last example about Jewish bankers of Europe as quite an effective condemnation of greed as, for example, the Nazis looting Europe, stealing all the art for themselves. Now that is greedy!

Oh, and I completely forgot about the Nazis stealing the land beneath the paintings and statues. That is Capitalistic greed squared.

Then there is the Nazis keeping slaves and killing the ones that displease them. That is Capitalistic greed cubed. Southerners from America did the slave thing, the sharecropper thing, the lynching thing, and the Nazi-style stealing of land, too. The Nazis learned how to run a slave society from reading books about the American South. I recall that Trump has swindled people out of their land and money and labor.

How American Racism Influenced Hitler
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-h
itler

What America Taught the Nazis. In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in codified racism — the United States.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-n
azis/540630/

Just eight days after the Reich Citizenship Law, the Law on the Protection of German Blood and German Honor, and the Reich Flag Law were formally proclaimed by Adolf Hitler, 45 Nazi lawyers sailed for New York under the auspices of the Association of National Socialist German Jurists. The trip was a reward for the lawyers, who had codified the Reich’s race-based legal philosophy. The announced purpose of the visit was to gain “special insight into the workings of American legal and economic life through study and lectures,” and the leader of the group was Ludwig Fischer. As the governor of the Warsaw District half a decade later, he would preside over the brutal order of the ghetto.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, March 8, 2019 9:55 PM (P)

I guess you don't know much about the Rothschilds then

SECOND, I'm going to take one more stab at trying to explain your obssession to you, in the hope of sharing a different persepctive.

Now, here's "the problem" as I see it: As much as you try to turn every single aspect of our collective "problem" over to your idee fixe, the source of our problem is not Trump (who, you must admit, is really a johnny-come-lately to the scene), it's not the GOP (Lincoln was a Republican, which is why so many former slave-state politicians were .. ta da! ... Democrats!) it's not racism, and its not the fact that slavery once existed in the USA. (BTW, there was slavery in Britain too.)

There have been extremes in political power and wealth, vast injustices done to the poor and dispossed throughout history, from Spartan and Roman slaves to the peasants of King Louis XIV's France and the Russian Romanovs to the (fomer) middle class of today's "developed" western nations and the grinding poverty of western client states.

I dare you to tell me that this is all due to Trump and the GOP!

There is a fundamental problem with power, money, and control in any society, and it's that they don't dissipate (like gases diffuse over time) they CONCENTRATE ... if you're looking for a physical model, you can say that power, money, and control behave gravitationally ... a small concentration attracts/ accrues further concentration, taking more and more into itself the more it collects.

Why?

BECAUSE IT CAN. A small difference in power or wealth, in the hands of a sociopath, can be springboarded to even greater power or wealth, and even greater amounts of wealth after that. And since smart sociopaths will always be born, inevitably the rewards of successful sociopathy will sift more power, wealth and control to the most successful, and these people will bend society's laws, religion, ethical foundation to suit themselves and to maintain their power over everyone else. It's an evolutionary process how power flows thru society and is captured and concentrated and re-concentrated into a select few.

Since the theft of wealth from "the masses" can't be accomplished completely thru brute force, the elite also focus on convincing "the masses" of the paradigms which enable that theft, whether its thru a religion or thru a government or entertainment/advertising (A Century of Self/ manufactured consent).

That's why peasants believed that their king or emperor was god's representative on earth ... wasted huge amounts of labor on building pyramids or cathedrals or palaces .... beliefs that today we would scoff at, altho we have our own "religion" which does most of us no good at all and is equally absurd, and that is the "religion" of money and "capitalism", with its ancillary jusifications of social Darwinism and competition (for the masses).

In terms of brute force, the elite buy their security systems (or they capture the states, or both), but they also buy their hangers-on and apers: courtiers, artisans, small business owners, bureaucrats, technocrats ... people who profit from the system a little bit more than "those people down there" and don't want to see fundamental change.

Eventually, the theft of wealth becomes so destabilizing that the society erupts in revolution or collapses in decay, the giant towers of wealth are destroyed, and the cycle begins again. Also, parenthetically, if "government" has one legitimate function, it would be the decentralization of power and wealth. The evidence of the capture of government is its hand-in-glove relationship with large economic interests: slavery, big monopolies, transnationals, banks.

What does this have to do with you?

Well, I have a busy day ahead of me, I'll have to get to that later.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blak

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:01 PM (P)

SECOND, yanno what? I'm going to make this very short:

In the big picture, your view of events is ahistorical, overly self-centered (some would say narcissitic) and reflective of your inner turmoil and guilt. You blame racists and Republicans ... things you can convince yourself that you are NOT ... for the way things are, and yet- paradoxically, because you can't REALLY absolve yourself, you hate others (the Trump voter) for not "making" you behave better.

All of these conflicting emotions mean that your interpretations of events are entirely suspect, and IMHO not worth discussing.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
paradoxically, because you can't REALLY absolve yourself, you hate others (the Trump voter) for not "making" you behave better.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:36 PM (P)

Rain it in children and remember the topic.

tick tock

T

SECOND

Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:53 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I guess you don't know much about the Rothschilds then . . .

Trump has a long history of cheating on his taxes, cheating his employees, cheating investors. He has astutely dodged the legal consequences. But why didn’t Trump voters make him pay the consequences? They had to know, but didn’t act on what they knew. I can’t blame Trump for his voters’ lack of interest in what he did in the past. But you would think those voters would notice what he is doing now and make a connection between Trump rewriting the tax code to his advantage and the national debt rising when there is no excuse, either a recession or WWII, to justify the rise. Then there is Trump building more nukes, at great cost, with no justification. Trump’s nuclear policy could get us all killed. https://qz.com/1566325/ You would think Trump voters would notice.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 9, 2019 7:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Rain it in children and remember the topic.

tick tock

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Says, by far, the largest offender of intentionally throwing topics off course.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 9, 2019 7:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Then there is Trump building more nukes, at great cost, with no justification. Trump’s nuclear policy could get us all killed. https://qz.com/1566325/ You would think Trump voters would notice.

Your cows farting could get us all killed. I don't see you doing anything about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Then there is Trump building more nukes, at great cost, with no justification. Trump’s nuclear policy could get us all killed. https://qz.com/1566325/ You would think Trump voters would notice.

Your cows farting could get us all killed. I don't see you doing anything about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'm in the cattle and natural gas businesses. The millions of tons of methane from N.G. and the CO2 from burning the N.G. that I produce has more climate change affect than the few thousands of pounds of methane from flatulent cows. I'm NOT forcing Trump voters to eat meat or burn gas. I'd stop raising cows and shut in the wells if Trump voters stopped buying. But they aren't stopping because they believe there is no such thing as the greenhouse gas effect. Trump encourages that, as he does belief he never cheats on his taxes.
www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2019/01/30/noaas-brilliant-response-to
-trumps-climate-tweet/

So read on to learn about Donald Trump’s tax fraud allegations over the course of 25 years and what they can teach us about the United States tax code!
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Rain it in children and remember the topic.

tick tock

T

"Rain" is liquid water that falls from the sky. The word you're looking for is "rein" ... the leather strap attached to a bit thru which you control a horse, mule, donkey, or any bridle-trained animal. There is a third word which also sounds the same, "Reign" which means the time of rule, usually of a monarch but sometimes of a mob: "reign of terror".

I AM sticking to the topic: SECOND blames Trump for anything from The Black Plague to the long-term stagnation of our space program. I'm simply pointing out that SECOND is, in a word, nuts, and that you're willfully ignorant.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 9, 2019 11:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Then there is Trump building more nukes, at great cost, with no justification. Trump’s nuclear policy could get us all killed. https://qz.com/1566325/ You would think Trump voters would notice.

Your cows farting could get us all killed. I don't see you doing anything about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'm in the cattle and natural gas businesses. The millions of tons of methane from N.G. and the CO2 from burning the N.G. that I produce has more climate change affect than the few thousands of pounds of methane from flatulent cows. I'm NOT forcing Trump voters to eat meat or burn gas. I'd stop raising cows and shut in the wells if Trump voters stopped buying. But they aren't stopping because they believe there is no such thing as the greenhouse gas effect.

You ever think that maybe people just like eating a cheeseburger and not freezing to death in the winter?

I'm sure you'll find that a very large majority of Clinton voters indulge in a steak from time to time and pay their gas bill on time at the end of the month as well. I'm sure you'd still have plenty of business if your dreams came true and Thanos came down and removed all of the Trump voters overnight.

Maybe it's not politically driven at all.

I dunno. Occam's Razor, and all of that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, March 10, 2019 2:46 AM (P)

Trumps lawyers say they will not cooperate with congresses request for documents. Funny thing is it turns out congress already has them. Someone in the White House leaked them to congress a month or so ago. Funny huh...

tick tock

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