THE FORSAKEN - 7800° Fahrenheit by PhoenixRose

Look at all the Forsakeny goodness. Kinda lost here. Just wanted to say "Hi".

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Monday, September 11, 2006 8:28 AM

Fellow Forsaken!
Things in Tristan-land have gotten a bit busy...I won't be on much this week. I'll miss y'all! Have fun for me.

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Monday, September 11, 2006 8:37 AM

Ok don't you just love the snap judgement based on appearances??? ARGH! Went into faculty room to eat lunch. ( preface this by saying I am wearing jeans, a black shirt that's modestly scoop necked with lattice high up on the back, though still quite modest, black loafers, silver hoop earrings, a few silver rings, my wedding ring, and dark red nail polish/lipstick)
I'm happily eating lunch and discussing with Lauren how I went to the greek festival this weekend. One of the older teachers says " well that's because you're greek" ( ok I really do not look greek) I mention I'm not. we continue talking and I ask Lauren how the set up for picture day is going. Then I bemoan my forever forgetting picture day and not looking good. And the same older gent says" Well all you'd need is to wear that outfit with your black lipstick and you'll be fine , right." Kinda annoyed that this guy has already determined my ethnicity ( incorrectly)and decided I'm a goth ( which I am not) without ever even having a conversation with me.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Monday, September 11, 2006 8:59 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by PaganPaul:
[B
So why would anyone want to ban a book on Wicca? B]

Because people are stupid!

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Bestower of Titles, Designer of Tshirts, Maker of Mottos, Keeper of the Pyre

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Monday, September 11, 2006 9:00 AM

KELKHIL

Quote:
Originally posted by PaganPaul:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
I am surprised that they allow a Wiccan book in a school library. Kinda weird concidering all you hear about are the stories they want banned from schools.
First, this type of book is not a story - it's a Religious Education text.

Second, would you expect the Koran to be banned from the school libraries? Or the teachings of Buddha? Or the Egyptian Book of the Dead? The Morman Texts? How about the Old Testament? Of course not!

So why would anyone want to ban a book on Wicca? It is just another belief system, and just as valid as any of the others I've listed above. If you ban one, you will have to ban them all.

Guess I gave off the wrong impression and I apologise for that PP. What I meant to say was that they are banning books for really stupid reasons. So I was surprised that this one did not make their list. While I realize and fully accept Wicca as a religion alot of people do not. I have a few Wiccan friends who tolerate my Agnostic views.

I think this still comes off as wrong but it is the only way I can think to explain it.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Monday, September 11, 2006 9:01 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Ok don't you just love the snap judgement based on appearances??? ARGH! Went into faculty room to eat lunch. ( preface this by saying I am wearing jeans, a black shirt that's modestly scoop necked with lattice high up on the back, though still quite modest, black loafers, silver hoop earrings, a few silver rings, my wedding ring, and dark red nail polish/lipstick)
I'm happily eating lunch and discussing with Lauren how I went to the greek festival this weekend. One of the older teachers says " well that's because you're greek" ( ok I really do not look greek) I mention I'm not. we continue talking and I ask Lauren how the set up for picture day is going. Then I bemoan my forever forgetting picture day and not looking good. And the same older gent says" Well all you'd need is to wear that outfit with your black lipstick and you'll be fine , right." Kinda annoyed that this guy has already determined my ethnicity ( incorrectly)and decided I'm a goth ( which I am not) without ever even having a conversation with me.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

Lead me to these people MsG. For I shall smite them with my Stupid Smiter. That is to say it smites the stupid not that IT is stupid...

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Monday, September 11, 2006 9:11 AM

thanks FMF:) It wasn't overly upsetting or anything, just irritating as it seems to be a common thing at this school:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Monday, September 11, 2006 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Kelkhil:
I think this still comes off as wrong but it is the only way I can think to explain it.

Kelkhil

Kelkhil, I didn't mean to pick on you or make you think I had taken offense, it's just that I find this issue to be a personal pet-peeve.

There's a group of "Antiquers" in my area that says a prayer at each of their meetings, but voted NOT to allow any type of prayer other than christian. This was a 25 to 24 vote taken almost exactly 5 years ago right after 9/11, and the other 24 members have been trying to change this ever since.

I believe that if someone is going to allow one religious group to express themselves, then they should allow ALL other groups as well.

This is also my thinking about teaching "creation theory" in schools. Great, go ahead and teach the christian creation story, but don't forget to include the Chineese one, the Iroquois story, the ancient Egyptian mythos, the Norse Gods vs Frost Giants, etc. Anything less is just one group bullying everyone else who is not a member.

Sorry if you thought that my ire was directed at you personally - it was not meant to be.

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Monday, September 11, 2006 11:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
I am wearing jeans, a black shirt that's modestly scoop necked with lattice high up on the back, though still quite modest, black loafers, silver hoop earrings, a few silver rings, my wedding ring, and dark red nail polish/lipstick

*sigh* How come my teachers never looked like that? I'm picturing how you must look in my mind, but I'm still at work so I'll have to stop before I need to go to my bunk!

Seriously, I would have just given him an icy look, and then explained that Greeks like you rarely dress up all Gothified unless it's the weekend, and he should mind his own f

ing business.

I've come to the conclusion that most people will, unfortunately, continue to make snap judgments based on all sorts of things, and that there is not a lot that can be done about it.

People still often assume that "Pagan" means sacrificing small animals and participating in depraved sexual escapades with unwilling virgins. The only way I've figured out to dispel that belief is to reassure them that the virgins are not unwilling, and then just walk away.

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Monday, September 11, 2006 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by PaganPaul:
This is also my thinking about teaching "creation theory" in schools. Great, go ahead and teach the christian creation story, but don't forget to include the Chineese one, the Iroquois story, the ancient Egyptian mythos, the Norse Gods vs Frost Giants, etc. Anything less is just one group bullying everyone else who is not a member.

I agree with you whole-heartedly here. Being in Georgia, I know that this will come up when my kids are in school, and I am almost looking forward to it. I plan to give someone (or several someones) as hard a time as I can until people realize that freedom of religion does not mean being able to choose your own denomination of Christianity. (for reference, I am an athiest, but was brought up Methodist for 20ish years).

Quote:
Originally posted by PaganPaul:
People still often assume that "Pagan" means sacrificing small animals and participating in depraved sexual escapades with unwilling virgins. The only way I've figured out to dispel that belief is to reassure them that the virgins are not unwilling, and then just walk away.

I think you just became my personal hero, at least for the week. Shiny. :)

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia

- Animation by DesktopHippie

"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be manditory." - Bill Hicks

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Monday, September 11, 2006 6:35 PM

Quote:
the Norse Gods vs the Frost Giants

Whenever people ask where I'm from, I say, 'I live about two feet east of a Frost Giant's ass.'

Walking on Ymir, whoa-oh, I'm walking on Ymir, whoa-oh, and don't he feel good!

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Monday, September 11, 2006 7:04 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

'Morning, Forsaken!

Yeah, Paul is one of my personal heroes too

He's a lot nicer about the animal sacrifice thing; I would always point out how much sacrifice was in Christian mythos. They didn't like me much for that.
As for teaching Creation in school, what about the seemingly on-going campaign to have the ten commandments installed in classrooms? I always said if they succeeded, I would start my own campaign to have the three poisons and the four noble truths posted. Then there's the rule of three. There's a lot of things, really! The whole classroom could just be plastered with religious lessons.
Ok, feeling a bit discombobulated. Gonna go catch up on some stuff.

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show Universal your gratitude!

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth...not going all the way, and not starting. - Gautama Siddharta

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:30 AM

Mornin' FORSAKEN.

It's too damn quiet here where I work (USAF base) and I get bored a lot (that's why I write a lot of fanfic, well, at least one of the reasons).

Hope you guys have a ruttin' shiny mornin' yourownselvles.

* lights a cig and wanders through the coals of the pyre, looking for dropped spare change.

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia

- Animation by DesktopHippie

"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be manditory." - Bill Hicks

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:31 AM

Morning all! I bring you more River forsaken animated stuff.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:36 AM

PaganPaul- thanks

I emphasized modest because I've made the mistake ( once ) of wearing a slightly tight red v neck sweater that showed a shadow of clevage( clarify here that I'm a DD cup) and I couldn't get a single boy to pay attention all day, so I've learned my lesson.
PR-LOL your ten commandments comment made me think of a bit on John Stewart where the politician sponsoring the bill to place the "big ten" in courtrooms was on and John asked him to list the 10 commandments and he couldn't even name one...I almost choked laughing. Especially seeing as MisterG ( who is an atheist) could name 3.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
I've made the mistake ( once ) of wearing a slightly tight red v neck sweater that showed a shadow of clevage( clarify here that I'm a DD cup) and I couldn't get a single boy to pay attention all day.

Somehow I would have thought that you wouldn't have gotten a single boy to STOP paying attention!

Oh, you meant to the lessons, right? Silly me, my mistake...

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:34 AM

I second that.

Howdy Forsaken. Droppin' in before I take my POV, waste my gas to see the CFO, and return with (Hopefully) snacks. See y'all in a bit.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:10 AM

OK, my FORSAKEN friends. I've got a gift for all of you Penguine wannabees...

GIF Movie Gear - FREE DOWNLOAD!
http://www.geocities.com/paulric/MovieGear25.zip

It's an older version, but it's got the Registration codes in a text file right in the ZIP file. Have fun, and let's see lots of shiny new animations!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:20 AM

Thanks PaganPaul:)and yes I did mean pay attention to the lesson...I am so never wearing that sweater to school again ( course the short black skirt might have had something to do with it too so I never wear it either. ) I was going out with friends that night and didn't want to be bothered changing so I wore the outfit to school...never doing that again.This is also why I now make my husband or others vet all items prior to wearing them at school. Since they're guys they can identify distracting outfits and all:)

NV- I hope they're snacks good enough to make it worth the drive:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:24 AM

Forsaken! I have missed you peeps!
Been stuck up on the front desk and only get to go back to my desk occasionally. May be this way for a week or two. I miss the pyre...

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:53 AM

Tristan- Hang in there sweety. At least you're busy:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:45 AM

...and the pyre will still be here when you get back. We'll keep it stoked up for your return. You have my solemn promise on that!

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Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:34 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

'Morning, Forsaken!

Looks like I'll have to pull out the old winzip trial so I can make some shiny animations. This will be fun!

I just bought a PhotoShop book, too. Damn, I'm gonna be busy!

Love the new forsaken River goodness; that's a great shot of her. I'm gonna stick with the hero shot for the moment.

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show Universal your gratitude!

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth...not going all the way, and not starting. - Gautama Siddharta

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:57 AM

Morning FORSAKEN. Anyone else up this early?

* sips his cherry soda as he prepares his cheese grits over the coals from the pyre.

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia

- Animation by DesktopHippie

"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be manditory." - Bill Hicks

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:10 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Okay, I am having major issues with this animation thing. It keep running very slowly and turning the background black for no reason. Not that it's bad, since it's all black background and all, but I can't get it to run at a decent speed, even editing a little emote, it's all stilted. Runs fine if I'm advancing the frames myself, but then it gets all wonky if it just plays on its own.
*edit* 'K, I figured that part out. Sheesh, editing frame-by-frame in photoshop and then trying to get it all to look right again is a huge pain! Is there an easier way? I didn't see a way to edit within the program itself.

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There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth...not going all the way, and not starting. - Gautama Siddharta

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:31 AM

PENGUIN

I never could get the animation thing to work right in Photoshop Elements 2.0 (I don't have the full program). I use a gif animation program (Ulead gif animator 5.0).

If you want me to take a look at it I will...just e-mail it to me!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:28 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I'm using Movie Gear, which Paul posted a downlaod to. I haven't been able to find any gif editor in photoshop (I don't have Elements, that might be why), but Movie Gear doesn't have a way to edit within the program; you have to make the animation frame by frame and then insert it, so I had to edit it in photoshop. I was just practicing on one you had already fixed:

I liked the bigger eyes of the original and wanted to see if I could fix it. Huge, huge pain. Is yours easier?
On a slightly related note, here is my first project out of my new photoshop book:

I am very proud. Especially because I did a few things to expand on their instructions and I think it looks better than theirs!

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show Universal your gratitude!

There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth...not going all the way, and not starting. - Gautama Siddharta

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:13 AM

G'morning, FORSAKEN!

PR, nope, there is no editor built into MovieGear. You have to edit the frames in a different program (PhotoShop, PaintShop Pro, etc.) and then put them together in MovieGear.

Penguine, if you can upload a copy of the software you use, that would be shiny and people can compare the two.

And now for some FORSAKENey goodness, I just got some pictures back from the Hogwarts School we did at the church a few weeks back. Here's a shot of me corrupting... I mean educating the next generation of Pagans.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:38 AM

SPACEANJL

Oooh, Snape much?

I still like the idea that you freaked out a wedding...

I went to Uni with a bloke who was raised in a pagan household, and he used to grumble about going to Beltane etc the way other kids moan about going to church with their parents.

A good thing; I have finally got folks at work to realise that 'witch' should not be used as a term of abuse, particularly if I am in earshot.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:44 AM

Morning all...mmm grits , pass those over here Riverismygoddess:)

PaganPaul- I have to say it has the look of just about every religious youth group I've ever seen.( I mean that in a good"we're all the same under the skin" way) Group of kids with that "I'm cool" but underneath it interested look,and enthusiastic adults :) Glad it was a success.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:47 AM

KELKHIL

Morning Forsaken!

*Grabs some coffee*

What a week. Was up from 7:00 am on monday until 9:00 am yesterday doing an equipment move. Gotta pull another tonight to finish it and to make sure that everything is runnig correctly. What was I thinking wanting to work in Computers?

Hope everone is having a good week! Will try to stay up to date but could be tough until next Monday.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Was up from 7:00 am on monday until 9:00 am yesterday doing an equipment move. Gotta pull another tonight to finish it and to make sure that everything is runnig correctly. What was I thinking wanting to work in Computers?

Yep, this Saturday I'll be working from 7:00 am till 7:00 pm moving computers and equipment all over the FCC headquarters. Good thing for me though - 12 hours at TIME AND A HALF!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PaganPaul:
This is also my thinking about teaching "creation theory" in schools. Great, go ahead and teach the christian creation story, but don't forget to include the Chineese one, the Iroquois story, the ancient Egyptian mythos, the Norse Gods vs Frost Giants, etc. Anything less is just one group bullying everyone else who is not a member.

And the Giant Spaghetti Monster! Don't forget the Giant Spaghetti Monster!

*has been touched by his noodly appendage*

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:16 AM

I am in a similar boat with the long days. Today, tomorrow, and Friday, I have to work my fed job (0600-1430) then go bartend at my other job (1600-2330). Very long days, and had I not gone home for lunch today, I would not have seen my wife and sons at all. Gotta do it again next week too. :(

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia

- Animation by DesktopHippie

"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be manditory." - Bill Hicks

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:30 AM

SPACEANJL

Now, I am going to be working 9-6 the next two days, but it is going to be just me and my micro-managing boss, so we know who is going to be doing all the work.

I have the weekend off, but I failed to get my act together, so no S3 ticket.

Plus side - shiny new books! (which I have already read, but it's the thought that counts.)

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:36 AM

(Peeking slowly in the door, NVG recoils back quickly and releases the spoon. Tossing the flash/bang into the door, he shields his ears.)

BANG

Nekkid as a jaybird, NVG jumps on the pyre for all to see once their eyes are able to adjust. Dancing violently to the rhythm of Blackflag banging out The Wheels On The Bus, he finishes by flipping off the pyre, relishing in the freedom of a stage dive.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
And the Giant Spaghetti Monster! Don't forget the Giant Spaghetti Monster!

But then we'd have to include the Great Cthulhu and the rest of his gang of Ancient Ones also.

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Peeking slowly in the door, NVG recoils back quickly and releases the spoon.

NVG, there is no spoon!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:50 AM

Forsaken!
Doing my normal "pop-in, say hi, go back to work" thing. Still missing the pyre...

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:55 AM

Holy crap! Am I "The One"?
Guess not because "There can be only one".

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:10 AM

Howdy Tristan. Guess you could use a grenade about now with work and all. Here's the procedure. have fun!

A classic hand grenade has a handle (called a spoon) and a removable safety pin that prevents the handle from being released. To use the grenade, the user pulls the pin out of the grenade and throws it, releasing the spoon. Pulling the pin on a grenade requires a large amount of force, so the pin is removed by pulling with a finger rather than with the teeth as is shown in popular motion pictures. Before removing the pin, the soldier grips the grenade to prevent the handle being released at the same time. With the pin removed, the grenade is thrown, the handle is released, and a spring-loaded striker ignites a pyrotechnic delay element in the fuse. The delay burns for two to five seconds, and then activates the detonator, exploding the grenade.

Or if that ain't acceptable right now, maybe this is:
New Orleans Hand Grenade recipe
Scale ingredients to servings
1 1/2 oz gin
1 1/2 oz grain alcohol
1 1/2 oz melon liqueur
1 1/2 oz rum
1 1/2 oz vodka
Stir ingredients together in a collins glass filled with ice cubes. Add water and sugar if desired, to taste, and serve.

Okay, so maybe that ain't allowed at work either. But it sure sounds good.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:17 AM

NVG....oooh! I think I have most of those ingredients in my bar at home...may have to try that tonight! Thank you!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:29 AM

No problema. Must report your findings to the Forsaken. Like to have an official Forsaken cocktail.

So there is no spoon Pagan Paul? I'm looking at it this way: If there is no spoon then therefore the grenade does not exist. The hand in which I held the grenade is in the past therefore it does not exist. The here and now is all there is. But since I have typed this message and it takes time to reach you, it no longer exists for me. Thank you for sharing my non-existence. Though my thanks no longer exist on the Earth, they still exists in my heart.

Now let's burn something. Could really go for blackened marshmellows right about now.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:39 AM

*starts burning marshmallows for NVG*

I don't know if you watch(ed) Buffy, but in one episode a character called Dawn put a marshmallow in the microwave to see what would happen. It went all melty and squishy.

Yes, I've done it since. It was all gooey and yummy. And I'm still not as obsessed as my friend, who bought the outfit she wore in that episode!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:57 AM

oh great followers of the giant spaghetti monster...am I to be penalized for the many heaping plates of spaghetti I have eaten, and if so, what is the path to redemption?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:02 AM

Well, considering I got his NAME wrong, I think you're in the clear. It's the flying spaghetti monster, not the giant spaghetti monster. I always get that wrong!

You can visit the church of the flying spaghetti monster website at http://www.venganza.org. They'll point you on the true path to redemption

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:03 AM

*dances the dance of double postyness*

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
A classic hand grenade has a handle (called a spoon) and a removable safety pin...

*PaganPaul picks up three of the grenades, pulls the pins, releases the handles (spoons), and then begins to juggle them. After a few seconds there is a loud noise and a bright flash.*

See, now there really is no spoon!

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
You can visit the church of the flying spaghetti monster website at http://www.venganza.org.

He he he! Pastafarians! I love it!

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:24 AM

Took a while to repond. Dern site wouldn't accept my password.
Anyhoo...

Shares DTH's dance. I just love the double postyness.

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Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:32 AM

smile:) it's evil...ok that's random I realize, but I am struggling to stay awake so making sense is out of the question:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Friday, September 15, 2006 10:04 AM