Independent Army Brigade for D*C (part two) by Tristan

How about a short summary so folks don't have to read back to the other thread.

ArtCat is working on "chainmail" Tristan is working on vest and overcoat.
Tristan has a website for some good Browncoat type pants if needed, Hey T, wanna post that site again, please.
Tristan has also been posting Ebay links for the guns the Independents use. For those that might have an issue with airlines, Tristan and RiverIsMyGoddess have graciously offered to be our store house since they will be driving to D*C and will bring the guns with them.
We're looking to possibly dress "clean" like before the Independents started losing but you can take that as a suggestion.

There was some talk about helmets but since I'll be trying to recreate Zoe's costume I didn't pay that part no mind, so if someone else can summarize that, I'd take it as a kindness.

That's the really short version, anyone can feel free to elaborate.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:16 PM

Thank you, FFG! Organization is not one of my strongpoints, obviously.

The link to the pants:
http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=CM83&type=store&catego
ry=3930
These are the pants I used for my Mal costume...all that needs to be done is a bit of hemming and adding the stripe down the side. You don't have to use these pants, but they are the closest I have been able to find in a decent price-range.

The helmets I believe we finally decided on are US M1 helmets with liners. Galvanized (or rough-looking) finish.

I am working on a version of the cloth coats the soldiers wore, as well as the red vest all of them had on. I am planning on making the patterns available, but I will also offer to make these for sale...sort of a "Independent's Package" deal...vest and coat for one price.

As for patches, CMH gave us this link:
http://mysite.verizon.net/resp06h7/

ArtCat is working on recreating the mail sleeves using a knitting pattern. I am dying to see how they turn out!

The gun we seem to have settled on is the H&K G36C. It appears that the guns in the series are actually something called CA36 (it has a higher sight rail than the G36), but as the CA36 runs about $350.00, and the G36 runs anywhere from $13-$40 for the airsoft versions, we have decided to go with those. Sister gave us a link to www.airsplat.com, which has just the right one:
http://www.airsplat.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={C70A1A45-9E39-4CFE-BDB3-D
C8609FB28EVEREST1E}&ic=AR%2DG36%2D366&eq=&Tp=
$17.95 plus shipping.
I am planning on getting several of these guns, and will be bringing them to D*C, especially for those of you outside the US to use if you want to.

I think that's most of the stuff from the last thread compacted into one posting. If there is anything I missed, please let me know!

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:39 PM

I knew I could count on you to tidy up my summary Tristan, thanks. One thing www.OutToTheBlack.com will also have full embroidered patches with a navy blue star, which is the color if you look in the Firefly companion.

Oh and I beg to differ about your organizational skills. You've already organized several Browncoats into a Brigade now haven't you?

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:00 PM

FOR THE CLOTH COATS I USED WOOL FOR MINE AND IT LOOKED JUST LIKE THE ONES MAL AND ZOE WEAR IN SERENITY1&2.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:26 PM

Wool's a little warm for Atlanta around Labor Day...

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:32 PM

just a question does it sound like a good idea if i combided a independent army costume with a alliance oprative costume?

independent everything but with an alliance tac vest and sword.

does that sound good or would you like to see it?
see it would proably if you see it that would be better.

im still working on the costume so its proably gonna be ready by the time d*c comes around ill be there so everyone would see it then.

but tell me what you think.

later

always keep fighting a good fight never give up whats yours.

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 5:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rikmjwsl777:
just a question does it sound like a good idea if i combided a independent army costume with a alliance oprative costume?

independent everything but with an alliance tac vest and sword.

does that sound good or would you like to see it?
see it would proably if you see it that would be better.

im still working on the costume so its proably gonna be ready by the time d*c comes around ill be there so everyone would see it then.

but tell me what you think.

later

always keep fighting a good fight never give up whats yours.

RIKMJWSL777

My first thought would be "why"?

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:18 AM

rikm; yeah, this is the "Independent Army Brigade" so I'd have to ask "why" as well.
On another note for the ladies who are not as 'sewingly-gifted' on supply run to the local wally-world supercenter this morning found some tan pants w/black stripe down the side for $15... they are Danskins (sorry)..but tucked inside a boot I think they'd be okay. I ordered my airsoft rifle from airsplat and will let ya know how it is once I get it around the 8th. Cheers..keep voting.

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:32 PM

ARTCAT81

ok chainmail update, so far so good it looks chainmail like, and similar to the screencaps, having trouble getting hte cording dark enough though, will try to redye or spray paint after i finish a sleeve.
For anyone else trying it, I used a dye in teh walmart fabric section, it is not so great, my cord came out a lovely light silver.
I have 3 inches knit so far, I will post a pic when I get a bit farther along.

Are these the walmart pants you were talking about? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5184637
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Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:23 PM

WHAT KIND OF GUNS DO THE INDEPENDENTS USE FOR SIDE ARMS?

RIKMJWSL777

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:19 PM

MAGDALENA

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

I really like those fingerless gloves that Mal has on in one of those pictures on the previous thread - I will look around the op shops here in Melbourne to see if I can either find something like them or something that can be modified too... or did this already get discussed...?

I got a little lost with all the 'gun talk'...

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Monday, November 27, 2006 12:49 AM

Those fingerless gloves they use are almost exactly identical to the ones I use in Revolutionary war re-enacting. I also have a modern pair of fingerless gloves that have a fold-back mitten portion. Something similar shouldn't be too hard to come by.

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Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 2:45 AM

Articat...Yes, those are exactly the striped legged pants I saw. Are they too strange looking, or could they work?

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Monday, November 27, 2006 3:40 AM

ARTCAT81

my first instinct is no the stripe is too wide, and the waist is all wrong, however, if you wore a browncoat over it and closed it might work, I am not sure I think I may go to Walmart on my lunchbreak and have a closer look.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 3:45 AM

..thanks Articat; I bow to the more experienced.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 3:48 AM

Morning, all!

ArtCat, I am dying to see how the 'experiment' works! Thank you again for tackling this project.

I do not believe I ever saw any of the soliders wearing a sidearm. I could be wrong, and someone please correct me if so. I know Mal was supposed to have gotten his pistol during the war, but so far I have not been able to see him wearing it.

Gloves...no, we had not discussed those yet. Thanks, Magda! I'll have to start looking more closely for those, too!

CMH, we have a local surplus store...I'll check there to see what they have for gloves.

Sister, I looked at those pants, too, and I agree with ArtCat. They could work, but not exactly.

I have started to pattern my old trenchcoat during a lull in costuming (ok, I took a day off!) and I'll be working on modifying it over the next few weeks. The red vest will be next. I'm trying to find a bunch of good, close pictures of them, especially to figure out the front closures.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 4:19 AM

Tristan: in "Firefly" the official companion vol. one; pages 14-15...they describe the browncoats uniforms/vests as having "Asian closures"...this was for the battle of Serenity valley and probably farther into the war than you are aiming for but it might help some. Good drawing of the 'mail' sleeves, tho; showing them attached to the arms w/straps.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 4:40 AM

Sister, I did see that, and I also looked at the renderings...and "Asian closures" still have me a bit confused! I will be doing a frame-by-frame of the flashback scenes sometime this week, I can already tell!

Thank you for that, though! That Firefly Companion has a lot of good pictures for a general idea, though.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 4:59 AM

The 'Asian closures' look almost like a type of fastner you find on large handbags (!) a snap latch with a foldover closure. I suspect you of knowing the ins and outs of every craft store in your state, but that was my first thought on seeing the close-up.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:03 AM

SpaceAnJL...may I ask where you saw a close-up...and can you post it? I fear that it may have been in one of the photos I posted and I completely missed them....

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:24 AM

Sorry, Tristan, I saw it in the FF Companion, but the photo of the coat and fastener is quite detailed. I think it's been set out quite deliberately for folks to mess with.

Am technocrippled, thus unable to post pictures. Hence no piccies of me in the threads.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:42 AM

SpaceAnJL, at least now I know where to look...thank you! Seems it was right in front of my face the whole time...
Tell you what...you make it to D*C, and there will be plenty of photos of you to post!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:45 AM

Don't think I have the cash.

Maybe I can persuade husband that it would be a cool birthday present for me, but he thinks we're all scary weird people here. I tried to show him a few pictures and threads to make him think differently, but he was unconvinced...

Of course, I might just save up for a ticket and leave him and the cat to fend for themselves.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:54 AM

Scary weird people?!? I am offended!

I understand, though...and your plans sound like they might work!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:01 AM

Tristan, I did not show him a picture of you as Mal. Kinda figured he wouldn't let me anywhere near such a fine upstandin' gentleman

Is there a link to D*C Con info anyplace? I may look into this ticket business...

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:05 AM

, thank you, SpaceAnJL!

Um... www.dragoncon.org is the main site...you'll be able to browse through all sorts of stuff there!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:38 AM

Okay.

Now I need to find out a flight price.

And get me a room share.

Reckon I'll come in character...

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:04 AM

Just a warning SpaceAnjl, once you attend a Dragon*Con with all us weird types you'll make it a yearly tradition

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:19 AM

LOSTTHOUGHT

Lt. Lost reporting for duty!

this should be WAY comfier than that reaversuit i wore last year

(in response to the sidearm question most infantrymen dont have one, officers, special forces and snipers generally do as they usually serve to mark rank rather than being useful on the battlefield)

in regards to the Capn's submachine gun in The Message given its screentime you could probably substitute a MP5 PDW or MP5K for the UMP (the airsoft mp5s are cheaper than the UMP)

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:42 AM

ARTCAT81

Tristan, you or one of your shiny recruits should probably set about putting together a simple website so folks interested do not have to play thread tag hunting for the info they need.

the sleeve will take me a few days but I may post progress pics before too long so yall can see, they are easy and inexpensive to make, just a bit time consuming.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 8:45 AM

Welcome, LostThought!
Thanks for the info on the sidearms. I knew that was a fact for most modern-day armies, but I did not know how it applied to the 'Verse.
I think I am going to stick with the G36 for uniformity's sake.

ArtCat, good idea, but I wanted to keep it here on the boards so people would see what was happening as it was happening.

I am still looking forward to the sleeve pics!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 10:34 AM

MSG

hmmm I just realized ( with a little luck) I may have to miss D*C but if not, I'll be about 7 1/2 months pregnant so basically the only character I could go as is Petaline...sigh oh well at least I'll stand out:)

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright

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Monday, November 27, 2006 10:45 AM

MSG, I am sure I could coddle something together that would resemble an army outfit for a pregnant lady...the helmet and gun would look good...defending hearth and home taken to a whole new level!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 10:48 AM

Military Police and Security Forces carry sidearms instead of rifles or SMG's while off-duty in war-zones. The way that the standards are actually written, all military party must be armed in a war zone unless they're performing a specific function where it would interfere. The actual reason you'll usually see such people with small arms is because they don't want to be burdened with a full sized rifle when they're not on duty.

Regardless, this would be a cool addition to the uniform if there were some sort of guidelines set to it. I have to confess, I've been toying with the idea of something beyond just the ordinary Browncoat grunt myself. I conjure up images of Independent Army Cavalry (Armored, Air, and others) and special forces groups in my mind. But I've been mostly trying to deviate from it. Every time I've made a plan for a uniform group in the past it gets ruined by everyone wanting to do their own thing, and in the end no one's able to actually work together because of it.

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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 11:46 AM

CMH, that is what I was afraid would happen in this case...that's why I tried to identify the two different "types" that I saw (on the last thread). But, I also know that being a Browncoat is being an independent soul, so all of this stuff is more like guidlines. I'd love to have a bunch of people look the same, but I'd be just as happy to have a few things in common among them...weapons, helmets, etc. I think RIMG is planning on being a medic version (beer and cookies in the packs!) so other things would not be a miss at all!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 11:51 AM

WHAT KIND OF SIDE ARMS DO THE INDEPENDENTS HAVE OR USE?
IF ANYONE KNOW SEND ME A WAVE.

LATER

LT. LESTAT

RIKMJWSL777

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Monday, November 27, 2006 11:58 AM

HELLO ALL DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT A FIREFLY OR SERENITY MOVIE GIUDE BOOK. YOU LIKE THE ONES FORM STAR WARS.
THE MOVIE BOOKS THAT SHOW OFF THE COSTUMES.
IF ANYONE KNOW ABOUT ONE OR IF THEY HEAR ABOUT ONE SEND ME A WAVE.

LT. LESTAT

BROWN COATS FIGHT ON

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Monday, November 27, 2006 12:01 PM

Rikmjwsl777, I do not know the answer to the first question, but the second question is yes...there is a Firefly Companion Guide and a Visual Guide to the movie. Both can be found online at amazon or other places.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 12:15 PM

Hey Tristan, I was just looking at the "Type A" and "Type B" uniforms on the last thread. It would appear that anyone ranked Sargent or above wears the long coat and that anyone below gets the smock, wouldn't it? The only questionable one I see to that would be the first picture you posted where you're identifying type A and type B uniforms. I don't know who that is in the picture, but I think it could be assumed that it's either an officer or an NCO. What do you think?

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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 12:28 PM

CMH, in the message, when Mal is running back firing, it appears all the other soldiers have the long coats on except Zoe and Tracey...hang on...

I see a whole lot of long coats in there. I am not too up on military groupings, but would there be that many officers or NCO's in one spot?

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Monday, November 27, 2006 1:04 PM

I honestly can't see all that many, which is not to say that you're incorrect, more so than I just can't seem to distinguish between a browncoat and a burlap sack.

If there really are more long coats than short, then you're certainly right about it not making sense. A top heavy chain of command never works, and it would have just made more sense to anyone (including Joss) to not let the number of NCO's and officers outnumber the enlisted.

Course, I could also make up a feasible but still BS excuse: the NCO's and officers are veterans and better trained, most of the enlisted might be dead (You and your gorram beans, Tracey!). The only reason I brought it up in the first place is because I wasn't sure what other reason there would be to give one person a coat and another a smock. It's just been the way of all militaries that if you don't have enough of a quality item/commodity for the entire army, you just give it out to the higher ranked.

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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 3:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by artcat81:

the sleeve will take me a few days but I may post progress pics before too long so yall can see, they are easy and inexpensive to make, just a bit time consuming.

Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse

Hey ArtCat being that I am sewingly impaired, please sign me up to buy some sleeves from you when you get them worked out. I'm already penciled in for the vest by Tristan. I may as well get my request in early. Thanks!

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Monday, November 27, 2006 5:14 PM

CMH, thanks for that. I like the explanation, though...the better-trained survived.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 6:42 PM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Pants definitely look right Tristan. Thanks for the link. Also thanks to Sister for the link to the G36. I agree that the CA36 does look more like the weapon that Mal & Zoe are carrying in the pilot "Serenity", but with a price tag of over $300.00 I think we can all agree that the G36 at a cost of around $20.00 is a much easier option on everyone.

I am getting pretty excited about the IAB for Dragon Con next year.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 7:09 PM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

I own webspace on homestead that I rarely use. As time goes on if you guys would like a website for updates, I'd be willing to do it. Just let me know.

Not 100% I'll actually be able to go. Gonna plan my vacation time out and see what I come up with. I plan on making the 18 hour trek down there in my car, so I don't need to worry about flying, though that may change. Once I know for sure, I'll be trying to get a roomate(s) as well to offset the cost (I have no problem sleeping on the floor/in the bathtub if need be).

Okay, and some catch up questions. Tristan, what do you think the vest is going to run?

I'm taking a chainmail class and should be able to make sleeves of my own. Is this okay or would you rather everyone have the knitted ones?

I'm not a fan of the style of pants they use in the show, favoring the looser, more versatile pant style that the US Army uses. I have a pair of tan ones that I was planning on using, but I know we'd like a level of uniformity so I wanted to know if this would be a problem.

And finally, has anyone shown any interest in being an Independent Sniper (besides me that is)?

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:36 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

mornin Brigade.

I have a bundle of catching up to do, as I have not been on the site since Wednesday. I may not even bother with it, due to work and stuff.

I am so glad that our numbers are growing, and I hope to see more and more Browncoats join as D*C gets closer (275 more days until Thursday!).

As for the various uniform parts, I suppose I just need to know prices for everything, and I also suppose that the people making them will need to know sizes of some type. Just let me know and I will provide whatever is needed.

Tristan - the bag only holds a 6-pack? I may have to carry a couple of them, or keep working on finding something to make the metal box backpack out of.

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