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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ah. I actually remember that, but I wasn't sure if that's what you were getting at. I wonder why Joss thinks hat = bad guy? Is it just a running gag for this series?

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Originally posted by Causal:
In one of the DVD commentaries (can't remember which) Joss says that in Firefly, only bad guys where hats. As for example, bad guys in hats: Patience, Badger, the feds on the Dortmunder. And, oddly, Jayne is constantly in hats: HoG, TM, Train Job, Safe. I'm telling you: eventually, Jayne would have turned (my guess: season two finale cliffhanger).

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
re: hats.

I saw a reference somewhere here just lately that the Jayne hat was part of a running gag-- Joss and the costume designer made a point of putting Jayne in *U*G*L*Y* headgear as a sight gag-- the Snoopy hat in the Train Job, and the hat and goggles in Jaynestown come to mind.

So maybe it's not a symbol, just a running joke.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
re: hats.

I saw a reference somewhere here just lately that the Jayne hat was part of a running gag-- Joss and the costume designer made a point of putting Jayne in *U*G*L*Y* headgear as a sight gag-- the Snoopy hat in the Train Job, and the hat and goggles in Jaynestown come to mind.

So maybe it's not a symbol, just a running joke.

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That would be plausible if Joss hadn't established hats as visual shorthand for "bad guy." Hell, in the pilot, Mal and Zoe are in a combat zone and not even wearing helmets, for frak's sake!

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Originally posted by Causal:That would be plausible if Joss hadn't established hats as visual shorthand for "bad guy." Hell, in the pilot, Mal and Zoe are in a combat zone and not even wearing helmets, for frak's sake!

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The only problems I have with this visual shorthand theory is that some of the good guys like the man at the post office in "The Message" wore hats and lots of the bad guys did not.

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Perhaps everyone is forgetting Mal's words to Tracey during the Battle of Du Khang:

"Everyone dies Tracey. Someones carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it"

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Perhaps everyone is forgetting Mal's words to Tracey during the Battle of Du Khang:

"Everyone dies Tracey. Someones carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it"

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YOUNG RIVER
(peeping up from behind couch)
We're in trouble.
(beat)
We got cut off!
YOUNG SIMON
Cut off from what?
YOUNG RIVER
Our platoon, Simon. We got outflanked
by the independent squad, and we're never
gonna make it back to our platoon.
(beat)
We need to resort to cannibalism.
YOUNG SIMON
That was fast. Don't we have rations
or anything?
YOUNG RIVER
They got lost. We're gonna have to eat
the men.

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Originally posted by rallem:
Is it a foreshadow if it is foretold in the same episode as the actual event foretold or is it just a set up?

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Originally posted by TrainBandit:
"It's visual language. It's cinematic shorthand for "beware."

Except the hat his mom sent him. That one was goofy, warm, and fluffy. Makes me think that maybe Jayne's mother would have made an appearance had the series gone on. She would either be as bad as he is, or long suffering about him, I think. Maybe he could even have had brothers! Imagine Wash or Simon saying "There's MORE of him?!"

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Of course, then he tries to haul River away , AGAIN, in the BDM, after all that. Might be he was drunk, and a bit sore from her whoopin' his ass in the Maiden's Head, but who knows.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
^"If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and
you'll be armed."

Off topic:
Why I dislike Malcolm Reynolds. "She's a whore," is one.
The time he lets Simon know that he'd only kill him "in a fair fight."
Reynolds is a gunslinger -- could face off with Wyatt Earp.
Offering to draw against a rank amateur isn't my notion of fair.
It's a pretense of fair.



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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Firefly is like a good breakfast: It stays with you. But eventho
I've had it a few times, I'm slow to digest some of it.

Chrisisall started this thread: Dumbest thing in FF/Serenity...
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=33661#609938
#1 dumb: Inara could ever stand a guy like Atherton Wing.
. . .Yeah, I got that ...

What I didn't get: In out of Gas, Jane to Anara thread,
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=4&tid=38630#821588
TOADSMOOTHY's comment, last post (so far) #19?, reminds me that
Mal respected Inara very much, & that's why he punched Atherton
Wing (Shindig). "Perhaps Mal is saying: 'No, you're a whore, a fancy
whore perhaps, but a whore nonetheless. I love you and you deserve
better than being marginalized and disrespected by guys like Atherton
Wing.'"

Hmmmmm

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

I love the show & the humor as any good Browncoat. I really like most
of the crew. Captain Reynolds has his good points, but basically, I
just tolerate him.

A brief TV show with a huge fan base of diverse personalities, this
fanatically loyal ... a lot of us are going to be sacreligious about
this and that.




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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Firefly is like a good breakfast: It stays with you. But eventho
I've had it a few times, I'm slow to digest some of it.

Chrisisall started this thread: Dumbest thing in FF/Serenity...
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=33661#609938
#1 dumb: Inara could ever stand a guy like Atherton Wing.
. . .Yeah, I got that ...

What I didn't get: In out of Gas, Jane to Anara thread,
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=4&tid=38630#821588
TOADSMOOTHY's comment, last post (so far) #19?, reminds me that
Mal respected Inara very much, & that's why he punched Atherton
Wing (Shindig). "Perhaps Mal is saying: 'No, you're a whore, a fancy
whore perhaps, but a whore nonetheless. I love you and you deserve
better than being marginalized and disrespected by guys like Atherton
Wing.'"

Hmmmmm



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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought this had been discussed before. I consider your take to be misdirected.
Mal hates the Alliance.
Inara represents the Alliance. Her letting the Alliance run her life, subjecting herself to the giant thumb of the Alliance, is what he is referring to when he mentions whoring.
The double meaning due to her occupation is what he hides behind (rebels, innependents are not taken kindly by the likes of the Alliance - so he can't speak openly about his dislike of purplebellies.)
Nobody else on his crew has a greater working relationship with the Alliance.
If he is actually in fact solely targeting the sexual application of the term instead of the political, then I conjure it is due to his jealousy. Or wanting to get a rise out of her.
Otherwise he doth protest too much.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought this had been discussed before. I consider your take to be misdirected.
Mal hates the Alliance.
Inara represents the Alliance. Her letting the Alliance run her life, subjecting herself to the giant thumb of the Alliance, is what he is referring to when he mentions whoring.
The double meaning due to her occupation is what he hides behind (rebels, innependents are not taken kindly by the likes of the Alliance - so he can't speak openly about his dislike of purplebellies.)
Nobody else on his crew has a greater working relationship with the Alliance.
If he is actually in fact solely targeting the sexual application of the term instead of the political, then I conjure it is due to his jealousy. Or wanting to get a rise out of her.
Otherwise he doth protest too much.

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I think you are probably right about that, tho it would never occur
to me. ... I am sharp enough to get '40s slapstick; but nuances are
lost on me. My friends have to tell me later what happened.

So Mal knowingly rents a shuttle to a companion & takes the attitude
that she is working for The Alliance rather than for her Guild which
is a valid entity within the Alliance. Does he consider her a double
whore?

Book is from the Alliance. Is he working for the A or just for God?
Mal likes to assume that Book wants to preach at him; & Book did
one time re Mrs. Reynolds. That was a surprise, too, since anyone
could see thru Saffron with half an eye.

That could the #2 dumbest thing on Firefly.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Surely you are not hinting that Mal calls Inara a whore
& it's his way of flirting?

Very common in movies since "ancient times:" The hero & the heroine
are much attracted. But they spend most of the movie denying it and
sparring or belittling one another. Perhaps Joss is simply giving his
stars the classic treatment.

Anyways, I've always disliked that abrasive way of courting, as to me,
it looks very hurtful and unloving.
It does.

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