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Well then, all you have to do is put both of these ideas together - do a few quick Google searches and see if the CCTV footage is from one of these old bombings. The CCTV footage is very shocking and recognisable, and the bombing of a hospital is particularly newsworthy, so it will surely not be too difficult to find.

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Dood, you want me to vet YOUR information and YOUR allegations for you?


That's not how it works. Stop being lazy and do it yourself.

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Done. It took about 1 minute. I did a Google videos search for "Iraq hospital bombed CCTV" and "rebel shelled hospital Aleppo CCTV" and even "Afghanistan hospital bombed CCTV". Besides one video of a car bomb on a hospital in Yemen that was clearly different, the only results I got were the 2 videos I've already posted, tagged as airstrikes on hospitals in rebel-held Aleppo.

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And now let me say Sig that you are full of shit. If you had really smelled a rat about where this video had come from you would have eagerly hunted that rat. What a win it would be if you could publish here that my video was a fake! But no, there is no chance of you doing even a few minutes of research where Russian war crimes are concerned. Nothing gets your head in the sand so quickly as Russian war crimes. What you WILL do instead, is try to muddy the waters as much as you can, and quickly scurry from the thread.

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And now let me say Sig that you are full of shit. If you had really smelled a rat about where this video had come from you would have eagerly hunted that rat. What a win it would be if you could publish here that my video was a fake! But no, there is no chance of you doing even a few minutes of research where Russian war crimes are concerned. Nothing gets your head in the sand so quickly as Russian war crimes. What you WILL do instead, is try to muddy the waters as much as you can, and quickly scurry from the thread.

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Done. It took about 1 minute. I did a Google videos search for "Iraq hospital bombed CCTV" and "rebel shelled hospital Aleppo CCTV" and even "Afghanistan hospital bombed CCTV". Besides one video of a car bomb on a hospital in Yemen that was clearly different, the only results I got were the 2 videos I've already posted, tagged as airstrikes on hospitals in rebel-held Aleppo.

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Yanno, I SAID I was going to be really busy,

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OK, now let ME say: LIAR LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!

I did a Youtube search for "hospital attack CCTV" and guess what I found*?

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That it was exactly as I suspected .... the video was from the attack on the al Quds Hospital THREE MONTHS ago.

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Posting more terrorist propaganda again, KRAPO?

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"In February last year, the NGO Physicians for Human Rights said it had documented 224 attacks on 175 health facilities since the start of the conflict, and 599 medical personnel had been killed. The attacks continued after the Russian intervention – the organisation documented at least 10 attacks by Russian aircraft on medical facilities in October alone, the first month of Russia’s aerial campaign."

Let's see ... 224 attacks ... but only 10 specifically claimed as supposedly Russian. Assuming those figures are accurate, who do you think did the other 214 attacks? And why are there no figures on those other 214 attacks? Because, 214 attacks - that's a lot of attacks to not discuss!

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Yeah, that doctor and his wife and his infant son are 'terrorist propagandists'.

And those quarter million civilian inhabitants of rebel-held Aleppo, being besieged and bombarded by Assad and Putin, they're all terrorists too right?

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An ASSertion completely unsupported by the article, which didn't lay responsibility on any party - except for perhaps the on the UN, for failing to be involved.

So, do you routinely make a POINT of misrepresenting the news?

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I guess KRAPO didn't even notice that there was no mention AT ALL of who was to blame for airstrikes.

Wow, brainwashed much, KRAPO?

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Speaking on the BBC’s Today programme he condemned the lack of political pressure on the Syrian regime or Russia to stop committing alleged humanitarian abuses.

He said: “There is unspeakable humanitarian abuse going on across Syria at the moment and there is very little accountability for people committing these crimes.

“This is now not just a humanitarian catastrophe it has major political implications not just for the Middle East for also for Europe.

“Politics comes down to pressure and at the moment there is very little pressure on the Syrians, the Russians or frankly even the Iranians to curb the humanitarian abuse that is contributing to the conflict inside Syria.”

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Just wanted to show support for this thread. Thank you to KPO for keeping it in front of us.

A recent Charlie Rose interview:

https://charlierose.com/videos/28578

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At some point over the last few days a little boy and his family allegedly sustained minor cuts and bruises when their apartment building was allegedly bombed by pro-Assad forces. The Western media, which has consistently ignored the thousands of those severely injured and killed in Aleppo by “rebel” bombardment, has now found its conscience and gone crazy.

You must have seen this video, because it’s everywhere right now.

https://twitter.com/AleppoAMC/status/766014854155083776

You’ll find it all over the Guardian, NBC, Independent and most other major corporate news outlets, most using the same AP source. The boy is allegedly five-year-old Omran Daqneesh. According to the AP report neither he nor the rest of his family sustained anything but superficial cuts and bruises.

Yet, in a conflict that has already claimed the lives of more than 100,000 people nationwide, the media wants us to believe this story is somehow unique and that the “horror generated” by a video of some people looking quite well but dusty and bloodstained will shock us more than the piles of corpses , “echo the anguished global response” to images of drowned Aylan Kurdi and galvanise us all into “doing something” – ie supporting a NATO intervention to save the terrorists in eastern Aleppo.

If the sight of all the major outlets who cheer on western-backed slaughter every day, running wall-to-wall op-eds and features about the tragedy of a little boy with a cut on his face, simply because it serves the empire’s agenda, doesn’t convince you of the moral and intellectual blank they’ve become then keep reading. It gets better.

AP and other outlets tell us the vid was “filmed and circulated” by a group called the “Aleppo Media Centre.” Who/what are they?

Well,the Graun links to their Twitter, which is in Arabic, and which boasts over 20,000 alleged followers, including several members of the western media, and a plethora of similar short and often murky vids beside this one. We can also quite easily find their Facebook page, where we also find this:


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That’s “al Nusra” as in the US-designated terrorist group. It looks as if the AMC quite approves of them doesn’t it. Even calls them “rebels” not terrorists”, and cheers on the fact they have killed Syrian service men.

We’re also a bit curious about why the AP report claim the video was made Wednesday night, when it was uploaded to Twitter at 13:52 BST Wednesday afternoon, which would equate with 15:52 in Aleppo. Is this a time-zone anomaly? But then there’s the added confusion of the Tweet itself, which seems to say pretty clearly that the vid was made on Sunday evening.


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Sunday? Wednesday afternoon? Wednesday night? It would be good to clear that up. Maybe we can ask the photo-journalist and alleged eye witness, “Mahmoud Raslan”, quoted extensively by AP and almost every media outlet.

It’s this Raslan who sets the scene, provides corroboration, gives the background human interest story of handing survivors “from one balcony to another”, and of passing “three lifeless bodies” before finding our poster boy alive. So he must know for sure when it happened. But so far he seems hard to track down.

Some outlets such as the BBC describe him as a “photo journalist for Al Jazeera Mubasher”. He’s also described by the Indy and others as the “photographer behind [the] iconic image” of the little boy in the orange seat. This is slightly odd because the most widely distributed “iconic image” is just a still from the video, as the Guardian itself admits at the top of the article linked to above, and as this screen grab shows:



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The Guardian even includes an interview with the alleged author of the video in its rolling coverage. The man’s name is claimed to be Mustafa al-Sarout, member of the terrorist-loving AMC.

Presumably Mahmoud Raslan was one of the other photographers there, inaccurately credited with the still from the vid. But who is he? If you search for “Mahmoud Raslan Al Jazeera Mubasher” you get nothing but hits on today’s AP story. No one has yet found any social media page or website for him, and if he was a photo-journalist prior to this event there doesn’t seem to be any record of his work or credits immediately available.

It would be good to track him down if possible wouldn’t it? Because without his confirmation the only source for this entire bizarre non-event currently being used as a catalyst for war is an unverified vid from an anti-government, pro-terrorist “media center”.

UPDATE 19/08/16: We now seem to have an ID for Raslan. We’re not clear if he works for Al_Jazeera, but he apparently is a friend of child-murderers.

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Isn't this kind of like a no fly zone? He's telling Russia and Syria *this place* i.e. SYRIA'S OWN TERRITORY - is out of bounds.

Top US commander warns Russia, Syria

In the most direct public warning to Moscow and Damascus to date, the new US commander of American troops in Iraq and Syria is vowing to defend US special operations forces in northern Syria if regime warplanes and artillery again attack in areas where troops are located.

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China is to step up personnel training and humanitarian assistance to President Bashar al Assad’s Syrian government, state media reported on Thursday, in a signal of growing concern in Beijing about the course of Syria’s civil war.

Rear Admiral Guan Youfei, who heads China's office for international military cooperation, met Lt. General Fahd Jassem al-Frejj, the Syrian defence minister, in Damascus earlier this week, the Xinhua news agency said.

The Chinese military is “willing to strengthen cooperation with its Syrian counterparts,” the agency quoted the defence ministry as saying.

“They reached consensus on improving personnel training, and the Chinese military offering humanitarian aid to Syria,” the Xinhua report said of the Damascus meeting.
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Xinhua said Adm. Guan also met Lt. General Sergei Chvarkov, the Russian general in charge of the reconciliation centre Russia set up earlier this year to monitor a short-lived ceasefire between the government and rebel groups.

The Russian defence ministry was not immediately available for comment. Russia entered the war in Syria on Assad’s side in September 2015.

The Global Times, a paper published by the ruling Communist Party, said advisors are already on the ground in Syria to train regime forces in the use of Chinese-bought weapons including sniper rifles, rocket launchers, and machine guns.

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The last time U.S. Vice President Joe Biden flew to Turkey, in January, he had a stern message for President Erdogan: his model of Islamic democracy was setting a bad example by intimidating media and threatening academics.

However, his tone was markedly different when he arrived in Ankara on Wednesday, just weeks after a failed coup in Turkey that has strained relations between the two countries, and on the same day that Turkey launched a full-blown incursion into northern Syria "to halt ISIS." With Turkey making very clear, and very open overtures toward Russia, Biden was in full blown diplomatic damage-limitation mode.

The dramatic shift in diplomatic posture by Biden comes as the U.S.-Turkish alliance has been dealt several blows in recent weeks, to the point where the US vice president's arrival in Ankara shows just how concerned the US, which is counting on continued support from Turkey - NATO's second-biggest military - has become. American worries have been compounded by Erdogan restoring ties with Russia - the Turkish president's first diplomatic meeting after the failed coup was with Putin in St. Petersburg, as a result of which Turkey has been discussing military cooperation with the Kremlin.

Meeting with Erdogan and Turkey's prime minister in Ankara on Wednesday, Biden delivered a message of alliance and conciliation.

"Let me say it for one last time: The American people stand with you ... Barack Obama was one of the first people you called. But I do apologize. I wish I could have been here earlier," Biden said.

But he wasn't.

And while Biden's pathetic attempt at appeasement may have come and gone, reinforcing just how much the American people stand with a person whose pre-arranged purge of political opponents has resulted in over 100,000 Turkish citizens fired or arrested, Turkey's diplomatic humiliation of the US continued, when far from attacking ISIS in Syria, the stated objective behind the invasion ...

Turkish forces and rebels supported by Erdogan continued their deadly attacks on Kurdish-backed forces in north Syria on Saturday. The same Kurdish-backed forces which are also backed by the US.

And it's not as if Turkey is even hiding it: Turkey's government, which is fighting a Kurdish insurgency at home, has said the Syrian campaign it opened this week is as much about targeting Islamic State as it is about preventing Kurdish forces filling the vacuum left when Islamists withdraw. Turkey wants to stop Kurdish forces gaining control of a continuous stretch of Syrian territory on its frontier, which Ankara fears could be used to support the Kurdish militant group PKK as it wages its three-decade insurgency on Turkish soil.

According to Reuters, Turkish security sources said two F-16 jets bombed a site controlled by the Kurdish YPG militia, which is part of the broader U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) coalition.

Meanwhile, the US-backed Kurds are fighting back, and according to military sources, one Turkish soldier was killed and three others wounded when a tank was hit by a rocket that they said was fired from territory held by the Kurdish YPG. The sources said the army shelled the area in response.

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Case in point: Syrian rebels opposed to Ankara's incursion said Turkish forces had targeted forces allied to the YPG and no Kurdish forces were in the area. On the ground, Turkish-backed Syrian rebels fought forces aligned with the SDF near the frontier town of Jarablus. Forces opposed to Ankara said Turkish tanks were deployed, a charge denied by Turkey's rebel allies.

As a result, the narrative is now split in two: one "confirming" the Turkish explanation, the other justifying the actions of the YPG, just in case the US decides to flip after all, and support its "lesser" allies:

The Jarablus Military Council, part of the SDF, had said earlier on Saturday that Turkish planes hit the village of al-Amarna south of Jarablus, causing civilian casualties. It called the action "a dangerous escalation".

The Kurdish-led administration that controls parts of northern Syria said Turkish tanks advanced on al-Amarna and clashed with forces of the Jarablus Military Council. But the Kurdish administration said no Kurdish forces were involved.

However, the leader of one Turkey-backed rebel group gave a rival account. He told Reuters the rebels battled the Kurdish YPG around al-Amarna and denied any Turkish tanks took part.

Turkish security forces simply said Turkish-backed forces had extended their control to five villages beyond Jarablus.

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... and a full-blown media propaganda war; however, as Reuters notes, one thing is clear: any action against Kurdish forces in Syria puts Turkey further at odds with its NATO ally the United States, which backs the SDF and YPG, "seeing them as the most reliable and effective ally in the fight against Islamic State in Syria."

However, just like Biden's arrival in Ankara was a tacit admission that the US will fully ignore Erdogan's unprecedented crackdown on human righs in post-coup Turkey as the president purges even the remotest political opponent, so the YPG, which has been "backed" by the US, is about to realize just how little such backing really means when the US has bigger fish to fry, in this case desperately trying to keep Turkey on its good side, and away from Putin's circle of influence, all the while providing countless concessions to Turkey as the country continues to openly defy western norms and put away dissidents, while arresting members of the press, and education system, as Erdogan nationalizes private corporations alleged to have ties with the notorious "coup plotter" Fethulah Gullen.

In doing so, the Obama administration has once again revealed the true extent of its hypocrisy, as it turns a blind eye toward the trampling of human rights in Turkey, while screaming bloody murder when something similar takes place in any other part of the world.

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The first stream of civilians and rebel fighters began to leave the city on Friday afternoon, many of them in tears as their years of holding out ended in surrender.

"Daraya will be delivered to the Assad regime. This is how he is rewarded for four years of bombing, dropping chemicals and killing Daraya's children. They killed us and destroyed our city, all because we demanded democracy and freedom,” said Ahmad a 23-year-old man who has not seen his girlfriend or family members since the regime siege began in 2012.

"I do not know what will happen to us, whether I will be killed or allowed to live. For so long Daraya is all I have known, and I am feeling lost and distraught and having to leave."

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On Friday, a video of two young boys, inconsolable as they mourned the death of family members in a Thursday airstrike on Bab al-Nairab, went viral. The footage captured a private moment of painful grief: Sobbing, the boys clutch each other tightly, surrounded by the hubbub of a hospital ward.

Underscoring the tragedy that has befallen so many families left in Aleppo, it appeared that the boys came from the same families that took to the streets Saturday to mourn their dead, only to be hit by airstrikes.

The fate of the children remains unknown. The flood of photographs from the aftermath of the attack were too graphic to publish. They showed the bodies of men, women and children, some of them blasted in half.

“The regime is telling us that we can’t be sad, we can’t cry for our children who die. They want us to think that if we hold funerals for them, we will risk death, too,” said Abdulkafi al-Hamdo, an English teacher from Aleppo who shared images of the dead with reporters.

The video came a week after footage of another child, 5-year-old Omran Daqneesh, was viewed millions of times around the world, transforming his dusty image into a symbol of Aleppo’s suffering. When the child’s brother died days later, the news received little attention.

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On 24 June, the Syrian Army, backed by Hezbollah, captured over 25 farms in the Darayya, threatening to cut the rebel pocket in half, and depriving the city of its most important food source.

The next day [That would be about two months ago, as of today- SIGNY] the government formally offered the rebel groups in Darayya a surrender deal, according to which the rebels would be granted safe passage to other rebel-held areas of Damascus if they gave up their weapons. The FSA and Ajnad al-Sham commanders were given a one-week deadline to respond.

After rebel commanders refused to surrender, government forces resumed their attacks on Darayya on 30 June

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The little girl shivered and cried as the adults applied more cold mud to her head.

Despite the child’s obvious pain, the grim-faced men continued to lather on layer after layer of wet dirt.

The mud, activists in the Syrian city of Homs said, is the only available treatment for people suffering the burns inflicted by napalm bombs dropped by Bashar al-Assad’s air force.

“They use mud because there is no medication and with napalm you can’t use water,” said Hayan, an activist who asked to be identified only by his first name...

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The horror of Syria’s war is in the millions of pictures that are too gruesome to circulate—charred limbs stacked outside hospital wards, bloated bodies rotting in sniper alleys, a toddler plucked from the rubble without a head. It is in a group of relatives trying to carry the sixty-pound corpse of a man who died of hunger—the boiled grass he’d been living on could no longer sustain him—but struggling under his weight, because they, too, are starving to death. It is in a generation of orphans, of children who never learned to read but can tell you the difference between the sounds of shelling and those of air strikes. It is in the intentional bombing of hospitals and clinics, the targeted assassinations of medical workers, the forced displacements, the chemical-weapons attacks. It is in a death toll so high, and so impossible to verify, that the U.N. stopped counting two years ago.

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The horror of Syria’s war is in the millions of pictures that are too gruesome to circulate—charred limbs stacked outside hospital wards, bloated bodies rotting in sniper alleys, a toddler plucked from the rubble without a head. It is in a group of relatives trying to carry the sixty-pound corpse of a man who died of hunger—the boiled grass he’d been living on could no longer sustain him—but struggling under his weight, because they, too, are starving to death. It is in a generation of orphans, of children who never learned to read but can tell you the difference between the sounds of shelling and those of air strikes. It is in the intentional bombing of hospitals and clinics, the targeted assassinations of medical workers, the forced displacements, the chemical-weapons attacks. It is in a death toll so high, and so impossible to verify, that the U.N. stopped counting two years ago.

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A good article on the staggering scale of Syria's war crimes -
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/does-anyone-in-syria-fear-inte
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How do we explain this? I understand (meaning I get why, not condone) a number of ways people justify or rationalize such murder:

1. defending oneself.
2. blood lust - when enough murder causes one to no longer feel its effects on the human psyche enabling continued acts. There has to be an initial trigger.
3. revenge - maybe the most powerful motivator.
4. seeing the victims as inhuman.
5. encouragement by others, more dominant people (following orders).

I get the feeling Assad, and even much of Syria, is on murder autopilot. They are consumed by the power and thrill of killing. No one is really controlling anything else. This is all they know so this is all they do, every day. If they stopped now it would only make them look more guilty for their previous acts.

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Another air strike on a medical facility (of a French-based international chairty) kills 4 aid workers and 9+ rebel fighters - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37429296


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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Brita Hagi Hassan, head of the local council told Reuters he had received an aid plan but that it did not contain any details about how the operation would be carried out. He said, “The presence of the Russian side on the Castello Road [for aid delivery is not acceptable due to its lack of neutrality.”

He added that the party supervising the road must not open the shipments [for inspection], which should include fuel, medicine and flour.

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The United Nations is calling for a 48-hour ceasefire to allow food and medicine to enter the embattled city of Aleppo, but a row over which route the aid convoys are to use has brought the plan to a halt.

The UN wants to use Castello Road, the road north of Aleppo that after weeks of bombing the regime captured last month to complete its encirclement of east Aleppo.

“If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take it back,” Muhammad Fadila, the head of the Provincial Council of Aleppo, tells Syria Direct’s Bahira al-Zarier.

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“The regime taking control of Castello is a disaster for the people terrorists and their hostages in Aleppo,” Ammar al-Halabi, an embedded reporter with rebel brigades witnessing the battle for the access road, told Syria Direct on Wednesday. “There’s no longer anywhere to move the wounded outside of Aleppo or to bring anything to the city.”

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On Thursday, the Syrian regime launched a campaign dropping leaflets into east Aleppo, claiming safe passage out of the 62 encircled districts, a move that local residents armed groups called an attempt to “pull the wool over the eyes of the international community.”

Helicopters dropped pamphlets over east Aleppo city—one day after at least seven airstrikes—advertising four “safe passages” for any east Aleppo resident looking to leave. Three lead in the direction of the regime-controlled portion of the provincial capital and one towards the regime-held southern countryside. Several sources on the ground told Syria Direct that not one of the four proposed passages is in fact open.

... “We’ll never leave our city [or allow anyone else to leave? -SIGNY] no matter the dozens of airstrikes nor the continuous bombings that we face,” Murad al-Halabi, an Aleppo resident in the Saladin district, told Syria Direct’s partner website The Syrian Voice.

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After its [Syrian govt army] victory in Darayya’s southwest farms, regime authorities offered rebels safe passage to another rebel-held Damascus area if they surrendered, al-Masdar news reported the following day.
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The impossible to ignore context here naturally is the ceasefire ending US joint attack alongside ISIS upon the Syrian Arab Army position at Deir ez-Zor which was sustained and lasted over an hour, despite calls from the Russian coordinating hotline which existed pursuant to standing agreements on deconfliction.

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