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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Why the recent developments in Syria show that the Obama Administration is not "agreement-capable"

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The latest developments in Syria are not, I believe, the result of some deliberate plan of the USA to help their “moderate terrorist” allies on the ground, but they are the symptom of something even worse: the complete loss of control of the USA over the situation in Syria and, possibly, elsewhere. Let me just re-state what just happened:

First, after days and days of intensive negotiations, Secretary Kerry and Foreign Minister Lavrov finally reached a deal on a cease-fire in Syria which had the potential to at least “freeze” the situation on the ground until the Presidential election in the USA and a change in administration (this is now the single most important event in the near future, therefore no plans of any kind can extend beyond that date).

Then the USAF, along with a few others, bombed a Syrian Army unit which was not on the move or engaged in intense operations, but which was simply holding a key sector of the front. The US strike was followed by a massive offensive of the “moderate terrorists” which was barely contained by the Syrian military and the Russian Aerospace forces. Needless to say, following such a brazen provocation the cease-fire was dead.

The Russians expressed their total disgust and outrage at this attack and openly began saying that the Americans were “??????????????????”. What that word means is literally “not-agreement-capable” or unable to make and then abide by an agreement. While polite, this expression is also extremely strong as it implies not so much a deliberate deception as the lack of the very ability to make a deal and abide by it. For example, the Russians have often said that the Kiev regime is “not-agreement-capable”, and that makes sense considering that the Nazi occupied Ukraine is essentially a failed state.

But to say that a nuclear world superpower is “not-agreement-capable” is a terrible and extreme diagnostic. It basically means that the Americans have gone crazy and lost the very ability to make any kind of deal. Again, a government which breaks its promises or tries to deceive but who, at least in theory, remains capable of sticking to an agreement would not be described as “not-agreement-capable”. That expression is only used to describe an entity which does not even have the skillset needed to negotiate and stick to an agreement in its political toolkit. This is an absolutely devastating diagnostic.

I think its indicative of a profound split between Obama and the neocons in the CIA/State Department. Obama is not in control of his own administration, IMHO.

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Next came the pathetic and absolutely unprofessional scene of US Ambassador Samantha Powers simply walking out of a UNSC meeting when the Russian representative was speaking. Again, the Russians were simply blown away, not by the infantile attempt at offending, but at the total lack of diplomatic professionalism shown the Powers. From a Russian point of view, for one superpower to simply walk out at the very moment the other superpower is making a crucial statement is simply irresponsible and, again, the sign that their American counterparts have totally “lost it”.

Finally, there came the crowning moment: the attack of the humanitarian convey in Syria which the USA blamed, of course, on Russia. The Russians, again, could barely believe their own eyes. First, this was such a blatant and, frankly, Kindergarten-level attempt to show that “the Russians make mistakes too” and that “the Russians killed the cease-fire”. Second, there was this amazing statement of the Americans who said there are only two air forces which could have done that – either the Russians or the Syrians (how the Americans hoped to get away with this in an airspace thoroughly controlled by Russian radars is beyond me!). Somehow, the Americans “forgot” to mention that their own air force was also present in the region, along with the air forces of many US allies. Most importantly, they forgot to mention that that night armed US Predator drones were flying right over that convoy.

What happened in Syria is painfully obvious: the Pentagon sabotaged the deal made between Kerry and Lavrov and when the Pentagon was accused of being responsible, it mounted a rather crude false flag attack and tried to blame it on the Russians.

All this simply goes to show that the Obama Administration is in a state of confused agony. The White House apparently is so freaked out at the prospects of a Trump victory in November that it has basically lost control of its foreign policy in general and, especially, in Syria. The Russians are quite literally right: the Obama Administration is truly “not-agreement-capable”.

Of course, the fact that the Americans are acting like clueless frustrated children does not mean that Russia will reciprocate in kind. We have already seen Lavrov go back and further negotiate with Kerry. Not because the Russians are naive, but precisely because, unlike their US colleagues, the Russians are professionals who know that negotiations and open lines of communications are always, and by definition, preferable to a walk-away, especially when dealing with a superpower. Those observers who criticize Russia for being “weak” or “naive” simply project their own, mostly American, “reaction set” on the Russians and fail to realize the simply truth that Russians are not Americans, they think differently and they act differently. For one thing, the Russians don’t care if they are perceived as “weak” or “naive”. In fact, they would prefer to be perceived as such if that furthers their goals and confuses the opponent about their real intentions and capabilities. The Russians know that they did not build the biggest country on the planet by being “weak” or “naive” and they won’t be take lessons from a country which is younger that many Russian buildings. The western paradigm is usually like this: a crises leads to a breakdown in negotiations and conflict follows. The Russian paradigm is completely different: a crisis leads to negotiations which are conducted up the the last second before a conflict erupts. There are two reasons for that: first, continuing to negotiate up to the last second makes it possible to seek a way out of the confrontation up to the last second and, second, negotiations up to the last second make it possible to come as close as possible to achieving strategic surprise for an attack. This is exactly how Russia acted in Crimea and in Syria – with absolutely no warning signs or, even less so, a well-publicized display of power to attempt to intimidate somebody (intimidation is also a western political strategy the Russians don’t use).

So Lavrov will continue to negotiate, no matter how ridiculous and useless such negotiations will appear. And Lavrov himself will probably never officially utter the word “??????????????????”, but the message to the Russian people and to the Syrian, Iranian and Chinese allies of Russia will be that at this point Russia has lost any hope of dealing with the current US Administration.

Obama and Co. now have their hands full with trying to hide Hillary’s health and character problems and right now they probably can think of only one thing: how to survive the upcoming Hillary-Trump debate. The Pentagon and the Department of State are mostly busy fighting each other over Syria, Turkey, the Kurds and Russia. The CIA seems to be fighting itself, though this is hard to ascertain.

It is likely that some kind of deal with still be announced by Kerry and Lavrov, if not today, then tomorrow or the day after. But, frankly, I completely agree with the Russians: the American are truly “not-agreement-capable” and at this point in time, both the conflict in Syria and the one in the Ukraine are frozen. I don’t mean “frozen” in the sense of “no fighting”, not at all, but I do mean “frozen” in the same of “no major developments possible”. There will still be combats, especially now that the Wahabi and Nazi allies of the USA feel that their boss is not in charge because he is busy with elections and race riots, but since there is no quick military solution possible in either one of these wars, the tactical clashes and offensives will not yield any strategic result.

Barring an election-canceling false flag inside the USA, like the murder of either Hillary or Trump by a “lone gunman”, the wars in the Ukraine and Syria will go on with no prospects of any kind of meaningful negotiations. And whether Trump or Hillary get into the White House next, a major “reset” will take place in early 2017. Trump will probably want to meet Putin for a major negotiations session involving all the key outstanding issues between the USA and Russia. If Hillary and her Neocons make it into the White House then some kind of war between Russia and the USA will become almost impossible to prevent.

The Saker

PS: some Russian military experts are saying that the kind of damage shown in the footage of the attack on the humanitarian convey is not consistent with an airstrike or even an artillery strike and that it looks much more like the result of a blast of several IEDs. If so, then that would still not point at Russia, but at the “moderate terrorist” forces in control of that location. This could still be a US ordered-false flag attack or, alternatively, the proof that the US has lost control over its Wahabi allies on the ground.



This is by an American citizen who used to be a Swiss military analyst. While I don't agree with every single point, it is a demonstration that not everyone thinks along the same lines as the thoroughly propagandized set of posters here.
http://thesaker.is/why-the-recent-developments-in-syria-show-that-the-
obama-administration-is-in-a-state-of-confused-agony
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Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:56 AM

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"Depriving children of water puts them at risk of catastrophic outbreaks of waterborne diseases and adds to the suffering, fear and horror that children in Aleppo live through every day."
So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?

THUGR, why do you keep avoiding this thread?
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Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:01 AM

THGRRI


You just keep trolling for Russia SIG. You're not very good at it but there's no denying it any longer. You are earning overtime now.

Do us a favor would you. Would you stop cutting and pasting large amounts of garbage, 99.999 percent of which serves no purpose. One only has to read the first few lines to see you are posting bullshit again.

Are you capable of independent thinking?
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Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:09 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?




Sorry, I had to preserve this because it is beyond stupid.

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:19 AM

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So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?- SIGNY
Sorry, I had to preserve this because it is beyond stupid. - THUGR



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And I had to preserve THIS, because it is beyond stupid. At some point, you're going to feel as stupid about this as you did about Iraq's phantom WMD.

So, did you read my post (several up) where I extensively quoted "rebel friendly" media about how they rejected aid and safe passage routes for "their" population? You can hardly call it "Russian propaganda" since it is US-funded, staffed with anti-Assad Syrians, and based in Jordan.

Or are you going to plug your ears and hum "RussianpropagandaRussianpropagandaRussianpropaganda" to drown out the sound of reality? Again? The situation is more complex than you seem to realize.



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Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:16 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Excellent BBC report on Russia's/Assad's terror bombing of Aleppo - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37456005

The intensity of the bombing is on an unprecedented scale for this war. Makes me think Putin has a Grozny-style solution in mind for the city.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%932000)


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:21 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?- SIGNY
Sorry, I had to preserve this because it is beyond stupid. - THUGR



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And I had to preserve THIS, because it is beyond stupid. At some point, you're going to feel as stupid about this as you did about Iraq's phantom WMD.

So, did you read my post (several up) where I extensively quoted "rebel friendly" media about how they rejected aid and safe passage routes for "their" population? You can hardly call it "Russian propaganda" since it is US-funded, staffed with anti-Assad Syrians, and based in Jordan.

Or are you going to plug your ears and hum "RussianpropagandaRussianpropagandaRussianpropaganda" to drown out the sound of reality? Again? The situation is more complex than you seem to realize.





Your news source ( the seeker ) is just a dump site for whatever people want to dump there. There is no declared author for your quoted article. You know, the one you claim comes from and I quote, " I extensively quoted "rebel friendly" media." What you mean is you cut and pasted a bunch of bullshit.

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


WHO REJECTS AID AND ESCAPE ROUTES?

Western media editorialize about the Syrian government "besieging" cities, but the reality is that the Assad government has offered aid and evacuation routes which have been rejected by "local councils" (i.e. local governance groups which - judging by the black ISIL flags in the background- have probably been infiltrated by al Nusra, ISIL, or other terrorist groups)

But you don't have to take my word for it. In September
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Brita Hagi Hassan, head of the local council told Reuters he had received an aid plan but that it did not contain any details about how the operation would be carried out. He said, “The presence of the Russian side on the Castello Road [for aid delivery is not acceptable due to its lack of neutrality.”

He added that the party supervising the road must not open the shipments [for inspection], which should include fuel, medicine and flour.

It is expected that Aleppo — which is divided between areas under opposition control in the eastern part and the regime in the western part — will receive aid within the framework of the recently brokered Russian-American deal.


http://www.syrianobserver.com/EN/News/31639/Aleppo_Local_Council_Rejec
ts_Presence_Russian_Forces_Castello_Road


This isn't the first time that "rebels" have rejected UN-monitored aid. In August
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The United Nations is calling for a 48-hour ceasefire to allow food and medicine to enter the embattled city of Aleppo, but a row over which route the aid convoys are to use has brought the plan to a halt.

The UN wants to use Castello Road, the road north of Aleppo that after weeks of bombing the regime captured last month to complete its encirclement of east Aleppo.

“If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take it back,” Muhammad Fadila, the head of the Provincial Council of Aleppo, tells Syria Direct’s Bahira al-Zarier.


http://syriadirect.org/news/which-road-to-aleppo-opposition-refuses-ai
d-delivery-via-castello-road
/

So apparently the Aleppo local councils would rather starve their own population than allow UN-coordinated aid to their part of the city, and cry crocodile tears about it

Previous to that, in July ...
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“The regime taking control of Castello is a disaster for the people terrorists and their hostages in Aleppo,” Ammar al-Halabi, an embedded reporter with rebel brigades witnessing the battle for the access road, told Syria Direct on Wednesday. “There’s no longer anywhere to move the wounded outside of Aleppo or to bring anything to the city.”
Especially if you reject using the road if its controlled by the Syrian govt.
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On Thursday, the Syrian regime launched a campaign dropping leaflets into east Aleppo, claiming safe passage out of the 62 encircled districts, a move that local residents armed groups called an attempt to “pull the wool over the eyes of the international community.”

Helicopters dropped pamphlets over east Aleppo city—one day after at least seven airstrikes—advertising four “safe passages” for any east Aleppo resident looking to leave. Three lead in the direction of the regime-controlled portion of the provincial capital and one towards the regime-held southern countryside. Several sources on the ground told Syria Direct that not one of the four proposed passages is in fact open.

... “We’ll never leave our city [or allow anyone else to leave? -SIGNY] no matter the dozens of airstrikes nor the continuous bombings that we face,” Murad al-Halabi, an Aleppo resident in the Saladin district, told Syria Direct’s partner website The Syrian Voice.



And it's not just Aleppo. In Darayya

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After its [Syrian govt army] victory in Darayya’s southwest farms, regime authorities offered rebels safe passage to another rebel-held Damascus area if they surrendered, al-Masdar news reported the following day.
“We refused the offer,” said a-Deirani, without elaborating further.


http://syriadirect.org/news/with-fewer-than-1000-remaining-darayya-reb
els-%E2%80%98abandoned%E2%80%99-as-regime-advances
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BTW- if you read the above article you will see that the situation is not that the Syrian government is fighting helpless frightened civilians, but there is an actual armed conflict going on. BOTH sides, if you look at various videos, have tanks (where did "the rebels" get tanks from?) as well as shoulder-fired missiles, heavy artillery etc.

As far as "who did what" to the convoy, Ban Ki Moon went off on a tirade, but after he and other high-level UN officials heard what the Russian envoy had to say, the UN - and NATO- climbed down pretty fast on their accusations.

Meanwhile, very little got into western press about the sustained WESTERN attack on Syrian troops, which happened before the convoy was struck by whomever. THAT is what broke the cease-fire. According to Russia, this is what happened:

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The impossible to ignore context here naturally is the ceasefire ending US joint attack alongside ISIS upon the Syrian Arab Army position at Deir ez-Zor which was sustained and lasted over an hour, despite calls from the Russian coordinating hotline which existed pursuant to standing agreements on deconfliction.
(Since since was a UN speech by Lavrov, you can find that quote anywhere.)
Further information was that the Syrian troops were stationary, not advancing, simply holding territory, and that the western attack on the Syrian army position was sustained through two direct calls to the American air command, and that the attack did not end until ISIL troops started advancing on the bombed position.

In addition, if you were to read a full report about what happened in Aleppo, you would know that the attack on the convoy immediately preceded an apparently planned terrorist attack on Syrian government positions.

Now, I don't want to bombard you with too much information, so this is where I'll stop.




The information about the rejection of aid routes and free-passage routes came from Syria Direct.
http://syriadirect.org/

Who is Syria Direct?
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Syria Direct is a non-profit journalism organization that produces timely, credible coverage of Syria while training highly talented, aspiring Syrian and American journalists in professional news-gathering and accurate, in-depth reporting. Founded in 2013, Syria Direct publishes original news reports, interviews with key players, and newsworthy photographs and videos from inside Syria along with a daily newsletter....

Syria Direct does not accept advertising. Syria Direct’s newsroom operations are funded by:






The piece about the convoy comes from a person who calls himself The Saker (not "seeker". A saker is a large falcon.) I've found him to be well-informed about military tactics and strategies, not so much about economics. Therefore, I tend not to bring him to the board unless he;s talking about weapons and military strategy and tactics. He has podcast something of his background, which is basically unverifiable, and is currently a citizen of the USA and living in FLA.



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Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:30 PM

THGRRI


Quote SIG

The piece about the convoy comes from a person who calls himself The Saker (not "seeker". A saker is a large falcon.) I've found him to be well-informed about military tactics and strategies, not so much about economics. Therefore, I tend not to bring him to the board unless he;s talking about weapons and military strategy and tactics. He has podcast something of his background, which is basically unverifiable, and is currently a citizen of the USA and living in FLA.


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The Saker" is a pseudonym SIG for SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE a top level American military analyst who lives in Florida and who DOES NOT WANT TO TELL US HIS NAME. He writes a blog SIG a blog. He covers the Ukraine crisis. His articles are some of the most popular on Russia Insider.

The Russian insider is a Russia news website launched in September 2014, based in Moscow, Russia. Moscow Russia SIG. The Insider reports on political and social affairs. The independent media source aims to promote a better understanding of Russia. Its mission is media criticism and reform, underlining the issues of Western media which are seen by the founders as extremely biased, especially on Russia, The website was criticized for its pro-Russian stance. It's pro Russian stance SIG.

Criticized for it pro-Russian stance comrade troll SIG. In other words your sources are bullshit and propaganda

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 1:38 PM

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Where the hell is G? He had a great time exposing your sources as shit SIG.

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hmm .. what sources did Signy quote when posting facts about the times and places Syrian terrorists rejected or blocked civilian aid?

Syrian observer ...
http://www.syrianobserver.com/EN/News/31639/Aleppo_Local_Council_Rejec
ts_Presence_Russian_Forces_Castello_Road

Syria Direct ...
http://syriadirect.org/news/which-road-to-aleppo-opposition-refuses-ai
d-delivery-via-castello-road
/
Syria Direct, again ...
http://syriadirect.org/news/with-fewer-than-1000-remaining-darayya-reb
els-%E2%80%98abandoned%E2%80%99-as-regime-advances
/
and information about Syria Direct ...
http://syriadirect.org/

So what 'sources' are you babbling about, nutjob? Do you think you could stop fantasizing about 'sources' and address the facts? Or is that completely beyond you?

Don't answer that. I already know that your brain is nothing except a pit of writhing snakes that will never, EVER be able to deal with facts.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:26 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hmm .. what sources did Signy quote when posting facts about the times and places Syrian terrorists rejected or blocked civilian aid?

Syrian observer ...
http://www.syrianobserver.com/EN/News/31639/Aleppo_Local_Council_Rejec
ts_Presence_Russian_Forces_Castello_Road

Syria Direct ...
http://syriadirect.org/news/which-road-to-aleppo-opposition-refuses-ai
d-delivery-via-castello-road
/
Syria Direct, again ...
http://syriadirect.org/news/with-fewer-than-1000-remaining-darayya-reb
els-%E2%80%98abandoned%E2%80%99-as-regime-advances
/
and information about Syria Direct ...
http://syriadirect.org/

So what 'sources' are you babbling about, nutjob? Do you think you could stop fantasizing about 'sources' and address the facts? Or is that completely beyond you?

Don't answer that. I already know that your brain is nothing except a pit of writhing snakes that will never, EVER be able to deal with facts.




Just because SIG claims she is quoting the source she lists doesn't mean she is. The claim about Syria Direct being responsible for preventing aid conveys is bullshit. Syria Direct is being cut off from funding for corruption and is being told to clean up it's act. That's not even close to what SIG claims. Again, she is a liar. SIG claims to be quoting them over and over again and it is all bullshit. She lives in a world of trolling for Russia as do you.

This is nothing new. You two have been doing this ever since I got here so probably before as well comrade.

As for the source I spoke about she has been referencing them as well. But you know that. I certainly am not going to list them all moron. My point was made in my last post about the SEAKER source and now again here about how she may list a source and that source says nothing of what she claims.
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Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.


http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city

'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Just because SIG claims she is quoting the source she lists doesn't mean she is."

Nutjob - AND STUPID! It's easy enough to verify for yourself. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE POST LINKS, asshole.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


MEANWHILE -

The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.


http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city

'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.





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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Just because SIG claims she is quoting the source she lists doesn't mean she is."

Nutjob - AND STUPID! It's easy enough to verify for yourself. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE POST LINKS, asshole.



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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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http://www.syrianobserver.com/EN/News/31639/Aleppo_Local_Council_Rejec
ts_Presence_Russian_Forces_Castello_Road



Aleppo Local Council Rejects Presence of Russian Forces on Castello Road
Sep 15th, 2016 by Alsouria Net (opposition website)

Presence of the Russian forces on the Castello Road is not acceptable due to its lack of neutrality, says local council
Aleppo Local Council Rejects Presence of Russian Forces on Castello Road

The local opposition council in Aleppo rejected on Tuesday any deployment of Russian armed forces on Castello Road, saying that it and not the Assad regime was the party that should monitor the delivery of aid to the area.

Brita Hagi Hassan, head of the local council told Reuters he had received an aid plan but that it did not contain any details about how the operation would be carried out. He said, “The presence of the Russian side on the Castello Road is not acceptable due to its lack of neutrality.”

He added that the party supervising the road must not open the shipments, which should include fuel, medicine and flour.

It is expected that Aleppo — which is divided between areas under opposition control in the eastern part and the regime in the western part — will receive aid within the framework of the recently brokered Russian-American deal.


The Assad regime announced that it rejected the delivery of humanitarian aid to Aleppo especially from Turkey without coordination with the United Nations.

Meanwhile, activist Hassan Abou Nouh said that the bombardment had stopped in the city of Telbeesa (Homs countryside), which is under the control of rebel groups and which was subjected to heavy bombardment in the period before the truce. He told Agence-France Presse: “Usually we are kept up all night by warplanes, but we slept this night.”

The Russian-American truce deal excepts what they call “jihadist groups”, including the Islamic State group and Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (formerly Nusra Front), on the model of the previous deal which they reached in February and lasted for weeks.

This article was translated and edited by The Syrian Observer. Responsibility for the information and views set out in this article lies entirely with the author.





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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:24 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


kiki - Nutjob - AND STUPID! It's easy enough to verify for yourself. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE POST LINKS, asshole.

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http://syriadirect.org/news/which-road-to-aleppo-opposition-refuses-ai
d-delivery-via-castello-road
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Which road to Aleppo? Opposition refuses aid delivery via Castello Road
Aug. 31, 2016

The United Nations is calling for a 48-hour ceasefire to allow food and medicine to enter the embattled city of Aleppo, but a row over which route the aid convoys are to use has brought the plan to a halt.

The UN wants to use Castello Road, the road north of Aleppo that after weeks of bombing the regime captured last month to complete its encirclement of east Aleppo.

“If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take it back,” Muhammad Fadila, the head of the Provincial Council of Aleppo, tells Syria Direct’s Bahira al-Zarier.


Representatives of the provincial council met with officials from the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA) on Monday to explain their decision to refuse aid from Castello. The UNOCHA representatives said they would "convey the council's position" to the UN's Special Envoy to Syria Staffan de Mistura for further review, Fadila said.

Instead of Castello, Fadila and the council are demanding that aid enter through the southwestern Ramouseh route. The Ramouseh district was captured by rebels weeks after Castello fell, effectively breaking the regime’s short, but total, siege of east Aleppo.

Ramouseh is “unacceptable and unrealistic,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharov, whose government expressed support for the UN plan, said in a statement published on the foreign ministry’s website on Monday.

“These pseudo-fighters for the Syrian people…have no scruples about using the [population’s] hard humanitarian situation for achieving their own destructive goals,” said Zakharova.

Syria Direct spoke with five residents of rebel-held east Aleppo, including the directors of two aid organizations, all of whom said they preferred the entrance of aid through Ramouseh.

“We completely reject the entrance of aid through Castello Road,” Hanaa al-Qassab, president of the Aleppo-based Syrian Women’s Association, told Syria Direct. Below, she explains why.

Muhammed Fadila, head of the Opposition Aleppo Provincial Council

Q: Why is the Aleppo Provincial Council refusing the entrance of aid by way of Castello Road?

If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will exploit it to turn it into a political bargaining chip and ultimately make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take Castello Road back. Additionally, the entrance of aid from Ramouseh will be a safer avenue for humanitarian workers.

When we called on the United Nations and international community to halt the regime’s vicious attack on Castello Road, at the time the only humanitarian corridor into the city, no one responded. When the regime encircled [east] Aleppo, we issued a plea for aid from the international community. Again, no one answered.

Wreckage on Castello Road. Photo Courtesy of Aleppo Media Center.

Q: Given that Ramouseh is under constant threat of airstrikes and attack, why do you want aid to come from there?

Ramouseh was seized through the efforts of the opposition. If we agreed to the entrance of aid through Castello Road, it would be as though we were betraying the blood spilt to take Ramouseh.

Much was sacrificed to turn Ramouseh into a humanitarian passage.

Q: Is there popular demand calling for aid to come from Ramouseh rather than Castello?

Yes. As a council representing the people, we stand with any popular movement that demands its legitimate rights. Which is exactly what is happening; we are responding to popular opinion.

Popular opinion prompted us to refuse aid but also to organize demonstrations against the entrance of aid.

Without a doubt, this is a popular demand.

**

Hanaa al-Qassab, the president of the Aleppo-based Syrian Women’s Association

As women of Aleppo, we completely reject the entrance of aid through Castello Road. This kind of move would give the regime legitimacy in the eyes of the UN and the international community and place the fate of thousands of east Aleppans in the hands of the regime.

If the international community was actually concerned about the wellbeing of Aleppo’s civilians, why is it insistent on sending aid through Castello Road?

The Castello Road is a battleground between the regime and the opposition.

Every family in Aleppo has lost either a brother or husband on this road. Hundreds have died there, while the rest of us remained besieged. The UN wasn’t able to stop either the ground attacks or airstrikes on the road.

It couldn’t even bring the regime to deliver a bag of flour to us [during the siege].

Why now, after the opposition sacrificed their lives to open up Ramouseh and break the siege, do they want to use Castello [as an aid corridor]?

We’ve gone days where we couldn’t even find bread in our homes, but no one cared.

We are asking the UN to send aid through Ramouseh because it is better for the people of Aleppo. If their concern is really for the people of Aleppo, they would follow through.

**




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:37 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



kiki - Nutjob - AND STUPID! It's easy enough to verify for yourself. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE POST LINKS, asshole.

nutjob - I did and she lied comrade. Although it doesn't matter with the two of you because you just lie, deflect and post subjective bullshit to confuse in the next post.



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http://syriadirect.org/news/as-2-more-districts-fall-to-regime-noose-t
ightens-around-east-aleppo%E2%80%99s-300000-residents
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As 2 more districts fall to regime, noose tightens around east Aleppo’s 300,000 residents
Jul. 28, 2016

Assad regime drops pamphlets telling east Aleppans they can leave; residents cite “publicity stunt” as diapers and toothbrushes rain from the sky.

AMMAN: Rebel forces lost two strategic districts along the last access road into opposition-held east Aleppo city, tightening the regime’s now-total encirclement of Syria’s largest urban center as local residents said on Thursday they fear “the worst is yet to come.”

Regime forces strengthened their hold over the Castello Road by driving rebel fighters out of the Beni Zeid district, which lies alongside Castello, and, up until Wednesday, was part of rebel-held east Aleppo.

Also on Wednesday, a concurrent YPG assault and victory over a second rebel-held district adjacent to Beni Zeid contributed to the regime’s ability to break through the opposition’s ranks.

“Beni Zeid did not fall overnight,” Abu Teem al-Halabi, an Aleppo-based citizen journalist told Syria Direct on Thursday. “The regime tried to capture this district at least 20 times to no avail, but a combination of Russian air support…and YPG advances contributed to this result.”

While the YPG and Syrian regime forces launched an offensive on the same day against two adjoining rebel-held districts, it was not immediately clear to what extent, if at all, the two parties coordinated the campaign.

On Tuesday, regime forces moved from “fire cutting” Castello, or holding the road through extreme bombardment, to physically controlling a section of the road, which previously facilitated the movement of food, medicine and other supplies to east Aleppo city’s nearly 300,000 residents.

On July 8, regime forces—backed by Iranian militias and Russian air cover—captured several positions overlooking Castello Road. A barrage of, on average, “150 strikes per day—including airstrikes, barrel bombs and artillery rounds” rendered the route inaccessible, a volunteer with the Syrian Civil Defense in east Aleppo told Syria Direct earlier this month.

Syrian rebels fire mortars near the Castello Road earlier this month. Photo courtesy of Ammar al-Halabi.

“The regime taking control of Castello is a disaster for the people of Aleppo,” Ammar al-Halabi, an embedded reporter with rebel brigades witnessing the battle for the access road, told Syria Direct on Wednesday. “There’s no longer anywhere to move the wounded outside of Aleppo or to bring anything to the city.”

“This tragedy will impact the people of Aleppo—our family and relatives—in every aspect of life,” he added.

Beni Zeid’s civilians long-since fled after repeated Kurdish attempts to overtake the city, Milad Shahabi, an east Aleppo-based citizen journalist told Syria Direct on Thursday.

“There was really no one inside Beni Zeid except for a few rebels,” he added.

While rebel fighters reportedly withdrew from Beni Zeid before the regime’s offensive, avoiding heavy losses, the territorial concession makes it even less likely that rebels will reopen the Castello Road.

Castello “has been completely destroyed as a result of heavy air raids and violent artillery bombardment,” embedded journalist al-Halabi told Syria Direct. “There’s not a single meter without a shell or a rocket in it. It’s totally impassable.”

‘Their propaganda efforts are laughable’

Earlier this month, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs warned that in the event of a total blockade of rebel-held Aleppo city, the UN and its partners in the area only “have enough food supplies for 145,000 [civilians] for one month” out of the total city’s population.

On Thursday, the Syrian regime launched a campaign dropping leaflets into east Aleppo, claiming safe passage out of the 62 encircled districts, a move that local residents called an attempt to “pull the wool over the eyes of the international community.”

Helicopters dropped pamphlets over east Aleppo city—one day after at least seven airstrikes—advertising four “safe passages” for any east Aleppo resident looking to leave. Three lead in the direction of the regime-controlled portion of the provincial capital and one towards the regime-held southern countryside.

Several sources on the ground told Syria Direct that not one of the four proposed passages is in fact open.


A pack of sugar, a single teabag and a small plastic pack of jelly; part of an aid parcel dropped over east Aleppo city. Photo courtesy of Twitter user NorthernStork.

“It’s a publicity stunt, and, frankly, their propaganda efforts are laughable,” east-Aleppo-based journalist Milad Shahabi told Syria Direct on Thursday. “Those border crossings are totally non-existent.”

“We’ll never leave our city, no matter the dozens of airstrikes nor the continuous bombings that we face,” Murad al-Halabi, an Aleppo resident in the Saladin district, told Syria Direct’s partner website The Syrian Voice.

Bashar Ja’afari, Syria’s permanent representative to the United Nations, submitted a letter to the Security Council on Tuesday, noting the regime’s “care about the safety and security of the civilians [of Aleppo].”

“The Syrian government assured the civilians in those areas its keenness to provide them with their livelihood needs,” he added.

Along with the pamphlets, Syrian and Russian helicopters reportedly dropped 1,000 aid parcels over neighborhoods of east Aleppo city.

“One aid parcel fell on my roof,” Murad al-Halabi, “It was a small, 200-gram plastic bag with a little packet of jelly, a toothbrush, a single diaper, one canned good, one bag of tea and a single packet of sugar.”

Several Aleppo residents called the food delivery and promises of safe passage “laughable” in interviews with Syria Direct and The Syrian Voice.

“The Assad regime and Russia are mocking the people of Aleppo, and they’re looking for propaganda material, hoping that the international community will overlook the destruction and killing that they’ve committed,” said east Aleppo resident Murad al-Halabi.

Some residents burned the aid packages out of fear that they were poisoned, Wasim al-Khatib, another Saladin district resident told The Syrian Voice.

“These are the same people who used phosphorus bombs and chemical weapons on Syrians with total disregard for the presence of children and unarmed civilians in their line of fire.”

Russian and regime efforts to downplay the tightening encirclement of east Aleppo represent “little more than an attempt to pull the over the eyes of the international community,” east Aleppo-based human rights activist Mohammed al-Mohammed told the Syrian Voice.

“It portends that the worst is still to come.”





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:44 PM

1KIKI

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kiki - Nutjob - AND STUPID! It's easy enough to verify for yourself. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE POST LINKS, asshole.

nutjob - I did and she lied comrade. Although it doesn't matter with the two of you because you just lie, deflect and post subjective bullshit to confuse in the next post.



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http://syriadirect.org/news/with-fewer-than-1000-remaining-darayya-reb
els-%E2%80%98abandoned%E2%80%99-as-regime-advances
/

With fewer than 1,000 remaining, Darayya rebels ‘abandoned’ as regime advances
Jul. 11, 2016

AMMAN: Syrian regime forces and allied militias have advanced a half kilometer into the encircled West Ghouta suburb of Darayya, the second major incursion into the opposition-held pocket in as many weeks, two rebel fighters in the suburb told Syria Direct on Monday.

Syrian army forces now control the entire eastern half of Darayya after advancing for nearly two days behind a steady barrage of surface-to-surface missiles, mortars and barrel bombs, Abu Bilal a-Deirani, a fighter with the Free Syrian Army-affiliated Liwa Shuhada al-Islam, told Syria Direct Monday.

“As things stand now, we have very little equipment and have suffered massive casualties,” said a-Deirani, adding that “there is a serious lack of both doctors and fighters” to stave off regime forces.


Regime forces bombard Darayya with ground-to-ground missiles, mortars and barrel bombs during Sunday’s assault. Photo courtesy of Shahab News Agency.

Syrian state media has not commented on the offensive in Darayya.

Fewer than 1,000 rebel fighters from the FSA’s Liwa Shuhada al-Islam and Ajnad a-Sham, an Islamist brigade, now remain in Darayya. Regime forces first encircled the suburb in 2012. More than 120 of these rebels have died in fighting since last August, said a-Deirani.

Darayya is located next to several regime military facilities, including the Mezzeh Military Airport and the 4th Armored Division base. The suburb is fewer than seven kilometers due south of Syria’s Presidential Palace.

The town is important not only symbolically as one of the first to rise up against the regime, but also because opposition forces once believed the foothold, surrounded by regime territory, could one day serve as a “launching pad into Damascus,” a-Deirani and others inside Darayya told Syria Direct.

Despite ostensibly being included in the cessation of hostilities agreement brokered by Russia and the United States this February, regime forces have continually bombarded Darayya, dropping more than 200 barrel bombs on the city during one week in June.

Although the language of the February ceasefire agreement also called for aid to enter Darayya and other besieged cities, no aid entered Darayya until June. When the first UN-sponsored food aid shipment did enter, it included “only enough to provide food for one month for only a third of the city’s population,” Darayya’s Local Council wrote in a Facebook post on June 15.

“During the ceasefire, the regime attempted to enter the city, killing and wounding hundreds of fighters and destroying their equipment,” Sayyed, a Liwa Shuhada al-Islam spokesman, told Syria Direct on Monday.

Late last month, Darayya rebels launched a night-time raid against regime checkpoints west of the city, temporarily breaking the blockade separating the suburb from neighboring Moadhamiyet a-Sham.

But the rebel victory would prove short-lived.

“The morning after we took control [of the checkpoints between Darayya and Moadhamiyet a-Sham] the regime deployed special forces and spread snipers throughout the area,” said a-Deirani.

“They brought in approximately 20 tanks and eight Shilkas,” he added. Shilkas are a type of Soviet-era anti-aircraft weapons systems that the regime uses in urban environments.

Over the following week, regime forces recaptured the lost checkpoints and advanced into southwest Darayya, capturing a half kilometer of agricultural land, the breadbasket for the rebel-held suburbs’ 8,000 residents, pro-regime al-Masdar news, citing a Syrian Arab Army military source, reported on June 24.

After its victory in Darayya’s southwest farms, regime authorities offered rebels safe passage to another rebel-held Damascus area if they surrendered, al-Masdar news reported the following day.

“We refused the offer,” said a-Deirani, without elaborating further.


Once negotiations broke down, the regime continued its advance, driving past the Abdel Nour mosque into the center of the rebel-held pocket on Sunday evening, a-Deirani and other fighters told Syria Direct.

As their frontlines collapse, Darayya rebels say they feel “abandoned.”

“From West Ghouta to Daraa province, no one has been able to launch an attack to help,” said a-Deirani.

“If the regime takes Darayya, it will kill its population and kill the revolution,” he added.

“This is a failure of leadership.”





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:45 PM

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So HEY THERE THUGGR - STUPID CRAZY LYING FUCKING ASSHOLE!

Yeah - THAT'S YOU!






Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:47 PM

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MEANWHILE -

The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.


http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city

'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Shit 1kiki, you're going to hurt yourself. Wow, did I do that to you. I'm so sorry. Hey I have something that'll cheer you up. It's my impression of you.

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MEANWHILE -

The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.


http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city

'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.




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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

MEANWHILE - The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.

Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.




Opps!

West Slams Russia Over Aleppo Bombings at UN Security Council

Western powers traded barbs with Russia during an acrimonious emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to halt intensive bombing of Aleppo, the center of opposition to the government of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, without reaching agreement.

UN special envoy Staffan de Mistura said Sunday that nearly 2 million people in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city and former commercial center, are without running water following an escalation in fighting over the past few days. At least 231 civilians have been killed in violence in Aleppo and its outskirts since a truce collapsed this week, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a monitoring organization.

Western nations, including the ambassadors of France and the U.K., said the bombing of civilians in Aleppo was tantamount to a war crime.

“What Russia is sponsoring and doing is not counter-terrorism; it is barbarism,” said Samantha Power, the U.S. ambassador to the UN. “Instead of helping get life-saving aid to civilians, Russia and Assad are bombing the humanitarian convoys, hospitals, and first responders who are trying desperately to keep people alive,” she said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-25/west-slams-russia-ov
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Western nations, including the ambassadors of France and the U.K., said the bombing of civilians in Aleppo was tantamount to a war crime.

Western nations always say lots of things - that never have any evidence - and that sometimes even get retracted because of the lack of evidence.



Fallon warns Russians aid convoy airstrike could be a war crime
Russian planes dropped bombs that destroyed UN aid convoy, US officials say


The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.

http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city

'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:33 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


MEANWHILE, what the UN Special Envoy said:

http://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/near-verbatim-transcr
ipt-press-stake-out-un-special-envoy-mr-staffan-de


New York, 22 September 2016

Let me start by saying that it was a long, painful and disappointing meeting. We were hoping and we are still hoping, of course, that this meeting could have confirmed the fact that the cessation of hostilities was and is something that can be shown as a concrete result for the Syrian people. We did not get that. What we did get is an intense discussion where there was not yet a concrete solution. The bad news is that Syrian people are still waiting to have a cessation of hostilities. The good news – if you want to hear it – is that both Russia and America agreed to continue intensely to work on a possible restoration of it. Now, let me make a point. I was there. On the 9th of September, two major countries – the Russian Federation and the US – in front of the world agreed on a good plan. The plan of the 9th of September is logical. Cessation of hostilities, humanitarian access and then addressing both the ambiguity about Al Nusra and the issue about grounding the Syrian airforce. The two major countries were again reminded again by everyone around the room – the ISSG – that they are expected to stand to their own commitment. And we know that they are working on it. But time in short. Meanwhile, what is happening is that Eastern Aleppo is under heavy attack. Meanwhile, everybody is going back to a new form of non-renewal of the cessation of hostilities but the conflict.

The next few hours – few days maximum – are crucial for making or breaking it. I want to believe that both Moscow and Washington are working on it seriously because the alternative is going back to conflict and war.

Q: Special Envoy, the moment that you met, the Syrian Government said it was going to retake all of Aleppo. The timing wasn’t coincidence?

SdM: That was clear today. Both co-chairs have been de-facto - undermined by others, who have so far not wanted or have tried to not deliver on the cessation of hostilities. The entry point for doing that was the humanitarian access. The government made it very complicated and some of the opposition made it complicated too. Why? Because at the end of the day, the real delivery of this whole plan was and remains the (cessation of) armed opposition from Al Nusra and grounding the Syrian airforce. Can you imagine a Syria where this would be clarified? You would see a different Syria the day after and we would have convoys moving. That was undermined but the two co-chairs have the right, duty and frankly the power to actually restore that.

Q: What kept them away from reaching an agreement? It looks like such a simple process to achieve. SdM: Well, it’s more complicated than that because the two co-chairs have the power but also need to be able to exercise it. As I said, there have been spoilers on both sides.

Q: Isn’t one of the co-chairs one of the spoilers?

SdM: I will not point fingers on this.
What I will say is that both of them to me look as if they are interested. They’ve worked days, weeks and hours in order to get one form of agreement that was on the 9th of September. I was there. If they didn’t want to believe in it, they could‘ve stopped much earlier. The delivery is what matters and the spoilers. But they have the power and they now also have to also make it work.

Q: What can you tell the people of Aleppo? Have the international community and diplomacy completely failed?

SdM: What I would tell the people of Aleppo is the following: What we are watching at the moment is really tragic. I know you that you may not believe anymore in a cessation of hostilities but you have to still give a chance to both Russians and Americans (who, let me remind you, recently bombed Syrian troops who were NOT engaged in active fighting -kiki) to live up to their own commitment.

Q: (Inaudible – multiple questions)

Sdm: Let me be clear on that. Maybe just pro-forma but pro-forma matters. Those who announced the cessation of hostilities were Russia and America. Only they can declare that it’s over. They are still trying and that I can confirm. We had a long meeting. It was a difficult meeting. Not a good meeting but they are still trying. So, declaring dead would be wrong.

Thank you.
Ongoing
Primary country
Syrian Arab Republic
Theme:

Peacekeeping and Peacebuilding

Content format:

News and Press Release

Language:

English
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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, September 26, 2016 7:50 AM

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Here's the situation as I see it: The United States has ridden any number of horses - all at the same time - to get to "Assad must go" which is, let me point out, an open declaration of the intention to ILLEGALLY destroy (yet another) nation.

Those horses have included: Free Syrian Army (a group of "moderate" Syrian rebels whose avowed goal is a pluralistic democratic government), the Kurds, the Turks, al Qaida (al Nusra/ Jabhat Fatah al Sham) supported primarily by Saudi Arabia), and ISIL (supported by Qatar). Our weapons and money have gone hither and thither, to anyone who is fighting against the government of Syria. It doesn't matter whether these groups are fighting each other .... the Syrian Kurds fighting the Syrian Arabs, the Syrian/Turkish Turkomen fighting the Kurds, ISIL fighting al Nusra, and the FSA trying to fight them both... as long as they share at least one common goal, which is that "Assad must go". Since these groups are fundamentally representing different directions, a unified peaceful secular nation would seem to be impossible if ANY of these groups attains power.

Obama doesn't seem to be "anti war" as much as he is "anti EXPENSIVE war". So no more 500,000 boots on the ground, his answer is CHEAP war, which means drone war, proxy war, covert war, and political/informational war (CIA/State). The reason why he didn't bomb Syria over "chemical warfare" wasn't that he needed assurance of the findings (He already knew that it wasn't Assad) or that he wanted to maintain good relations with Syria or follow international law. No, the problem was those Russian destroyers athwart the Syrian coast. I've given up on the thought that Obama is just a hapless President, hostage to neocon deceptions. I think he's just been playing "good cop" to the CIA's "bad cop".

Speaking of cease-fires: In the two most recent cessation of hostilities, the "moderate opposition" was supposed to separate itself from the terrorists. The USA was supposed to provide Russia and Syria the locations of the so-called "moderate opposition" so they wouldn't be bombed, but the FSA never separated itself out from ISIL or al Qaida, and the USA never provided coordinates. The "rebels" and their foreign extremist partners simply took that time to re-arm (with USA weapons) and to regroup.

It will be interesting to see, when all is said an done, how many of those claims of Russian and Syrian "war crimes" hold up. Many of the claims are sourced in individuals ("eyewitnesses") who are likely not neutral parties. And while western press constantly claims that Russia and Syria have bombed (yet another) hospital, I doubt that there are that many hospitals in existence. I suspect that MANY of these "hospitals" are informal clinics which are not identified to either Syria or Russia or marked for easy identification from the air.

I have no doubt that civilians are being killed, and it's unfortunate that the so-called "moderate rebels" have refused both aid and safe-passage for non-combatants in their areas of control. The other thing is, I wonder about the accuracy of the intelligence behind targeting decisions. I read an interesting analysis that Russia doesn't have the equivalence of an AWACS (and if Russia doesn't, Syria surely doesn't either) so there isn't real-time radar/electronic information available; for example, no identification of electronic signal "hotspots" indicating a militant communications center. I suspect- but don't know for sure- that much of the targeting is visual/ from the air. Also, the Russians use semi-dumb bombs. I doubt that civilian populations are deliberately targeted, but the "moderate opposition" may be using civilians as shields, and there may be a lot of mistaken targeting and/or inaccurate bomb drops.

I've been watching the situation and, as you may have gathered from the links that I posted, been looking at a variety of sources. But there are too many claims and counter-claims and too many false flags in this proxy war to be able to get a genuinely accurate picture, so this will require ongoing attention.






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Monday, September 26, 2016 4:53 PM

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In a stunning allegation, one which would lead to dramatic gepolitical implications, the speaker of the People's Council of Syria said on Monday that the Syrian intelligence possesses an audio recording of conversation between Islamic State terrorists and the US military taken just prior to the Washington-led coalition's airstrikes on the government troops near Deir ez-Zor on September 17 which left over 60 Syrian troops dead.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-26/syria-claims-have-recording-c
onversation-between-isis-and-us-military-strike-syrian
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Monday, September 26, 2016 4:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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In a stunning allegation, one which would lead to dramatic gepolitical implications, the speaker of the People's Council of Syria said on Monday that the Syrian intelligence possesses an audio recording of conversation between Islamic State terrorists and the US military taken just prior to the Washington-led coalition's airstrikes on the government troops near Deir ez-Zor on September 17 which left over 60 Syrian troops dead.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-26/syria-claims-have-recording-c
onversation-between-isis-and-us-military-strike-syrian
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First, news from zerohedge means anonymous ( without any name )source. Second,

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Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:27 AM

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Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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And while western press constantly claims that Russia and Syria have bombed (yet another) hospital,

Not just Western media - the UN, and international charities/aid organisations WHO RUN THE HOSPITALS.

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I doubt that there are that many hospitals in existence.

Can your imagination not stretch to the idea that the same hospitals are being bombed multiple times?

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I suspect that MANY of these "hospitals" are informal clinics which are not identified to either Syria or Russia or marked for easy identification from the air.

Yes, if by "informal" you mean hospitals setting up wards/clinics underground, and withholding their locations and GPS from the regime and Russia due to their being deliberately targeted.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:33 AM

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Aleppo's cat sanctuary for stray/abandoned cats - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37453081

The cats get fed rice now, I wonder how that will change as Assad's/Russia's starvation siege bites.


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

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Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:55 PM

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John Kerry threatens to end Syria talks with Russia over Aleppo


WASHINGTON - Secretary of State John Kerry is threatening to cut off all contacts with Moscow over the 5-year-old Syrian civil war, unless Russian and Syrian government attacks on Aleppo end.

The State Department says Kerry issued the ultimatum in a Wednesday telephone call to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

Kerry’s spokesman, John Kirby, says Kerry expressed grave concern over Russian and Syrian government attacks on hospitals, water supplies and other civilian infrastructure in Aleppo.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kerry-syria-talks-russia-aleppo/

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Thursday, September 29, 2016 5:26 AM

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Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Inside an Aleppo hospital: brain surgery on the hospital floor, surgeons pulling fragments of Russian cluster bombs out of children - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37501589


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

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Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:34 PM

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Quote:

And while western press constantly claims that Russia and Syria have bombed (yet another) hospital,- SIGNY
Not just Western media - the UN, and international charities/aid organisations WHO RUN THE HOSPITALS.

uh huh.
So, there are UN-run hospitals in eastern Aleppo, you say?

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I doubt that there are that many hospitals in existence.- SIGNY
Can your imagination not stretch to the idea that the same hospitals are being bombed multiple times?- KOP

Of course it can. But I can only read so many "Hospital destroyed by Russian/ Syrian airstrike" before I start to wonder... say, how many hospitals ARE there in terrorist-held Aleppo, anyway? And if it's not DIFFERENT hospitals being "destroyed", but the same ones over and over, I ask myself how many TIMES can a hospital be "destroyed"? It's certainly something to wonder about.

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I suspect that MANY of these "hospitals" are informal clinics which are not identified to either Syria or Russia or marked for easy identification from the air.- SIGNY
Yes, if by "informal" you mean hospitals setting up wards/clinics underground, and withholding their locations and GPS from the regime and Russia due to their being deliberately targeted.- KPO

I recall there was a MSN hospital in Latakia that was struck about a year ago, and when MSN was asked if they had provided their coordinates, they kind of hemmed and hawed and finally admitted that they hadn't. How can anyone tell that there is a "hospital" somewhere if all that can be seen is a cluster of vehicles around a building? And what if that "cluster" contains weaponry? If clinics don't provide their coordinates, it seems to be on the ASSUMPTION that they're being targeted.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Yes, we know what you're trying to do. Your thread title says it all.

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Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Double Life of White Helmets: Volunteers by Day, Terrorists by Night (Photos)

Volunteers of the White Helmets civil defense organization have a double life: they are ‘volunteers’ by day and terrorists by night.

A worker of a social canteen (Photo: twitter.com / Gjoene)

Photos, published online, reveal ‘the second life’ of volunteers of the White Helmets civil defense organization that operates throughout the Syrian territory, controlled by the ‘moderate’ opposition.

According to the photos, the volunteers spend one part of their lives, providing assistance to civilian population, and then transform into members of terrorist groups and shoot at the same civilians.


The White Helmets, also known as the Syrian Civil Defense (SCD), was founded in early 2013 by British security consultant James Le Mesurier. The organization is supported by Mayday Rescue, a foundation, registered in the Netherlands. The SCD was created as “a response to indiscriminate bombardment of civilian communities in rebel-held areas by the Syrian Arab Air Force.” However, according to an official statement, the mission of the White Helmets is “to save the greatest number of lives in the shortest possible time and to minimize further injury to people and damage to property.”

Now volunteers of the White Helmets operate in 114 local civil defense centers across 8 Syrian provinces with high presence of various militant groups: Aleppo, Homs, Idlib, Damascus Countryside, Hama, Latakia, and Daraa.

This man is a humanitarian worker of the White Helmets in one his life, and a soldier of jihad, who is ready to cut heads of ‘faithless’ – in another life

Another volunteer of the White Helmets. Apparently, he earns more, throwing corpses of Syrian soldiers in garbage than just killing them





This ‘hero’ of the humanitarian front likes to shoot at civilians with a machine gun during his breaks between the processes of ‘taking care about people’


A standard Syrian humanitarian volunteer, armed with a peaceful light anti-tank weapon



Nevermind the black flag on the wall… Nothing to see there

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Friday, September 30, 2016 2:41 PM

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Just want to point out we once again see SIG displaying her full throated support for Russia and Assad.

I don't see a source for your picture collage comrade SIG. So, are they photo shopped? Are they actually White Hats? Shit we already know you post garbage from nonreputable sources. It is my opinion this post of yours is another example of that.



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Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:42 AM

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UN says armed Syrian groups blocking Aleppo aid for 'political gain'

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The UN has accused armed groups in Syria of blocking the delivery of aid to the besieged city of Aleppo for “political gain” - including rebel factions inside Aleppo itself who say they will reject aid that comes through regime territory.

Two days after the Syria ceasefire agreement went into effect, bombs have stopped falling on the rebel-held eastern half of Aleppo but the 275,000 people living there are still desperately short of food and medical supplies. A convoy of 20 UN trucks carrying enough aid for 40,000 people is languishing at the Turkish border as diplomats try to secure agreement from both rebels and regime forces to allow the vehicles through.

“Some parties to the conflict are trying to use this for political gain,” said David Swanson, a UN spokesman. “The challenge for us is ensuring that all parties to the conflict are on the same page. If one element of the chain is not there we cannot proceed.”

The UN would not say if the hold was up was being caused by the Assad regime or its rebel opponents but at least part of the problem appeared to be inside east Aleppo itself.

Activists there said they intended to reject the UN aid in protest at the ceasefire agreement which was brokered between the US and Russia without input from the Syrian opposition. Video from Aleppo showed a large demonstration against the UN [including many black flags- SIGNY] had gathered at Castello Road, the key supply route that the aid convoy would have to travel down.

At least some of the demonstrators were waving the black flags of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (JFS), an al-Qaeda linked jihadist group formerly known as the al-Nusra Front.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/14/un-says-armed-syrian-groups
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NOTE THE BLACK FLAGS IN THE BACKGROUND



By the way, I can see from this video how the people of east Aleppo are "starving".

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Saturday, October 1, 2016 10:53 AM

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More about the "WHITE HELMETS"






FROM BRITAIN ON THE WHITE HELMETS



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Saturday, October 1, 2016 1:20 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

A Few Links On Syria And Other Issues

Just a few links ...

The White House and State Department are miffed that Syria and Russia are cleaning up their Jihadis in Aleppo city.

There is a false claims evolving in western "news" that the current Aleppo operation led to the breakdown of the ceasefire agreement. Two points on this: 1. The ceasefire did not "break down". It expired after a previously agreed period. Both sides did not agree to a prolongation. 2. The most important ceasefire point was the physical separation of al-Qaida and other U.S. proxy rebels. The U.S. was unable (or unwilling) to fulfill that point.

See: Moscow Makes Public Full Text of Russia-US Deal on Syria

The main priority in Syria, according to the document, is the demarcation of territory controlled by Daesh and al-Nusra Front terrorist groups and territories controlled by Syrian rebels.

After the end of the ceasefire the U.S. and its subaltern allies are flooding Syria with new weapons:

US-backed rebels now equipped with advanced rocket launchers The BM-21 truck mounted Grad multiple rocket launcher have a range of up to 40 kilometers. At least three new ones have been photographed over the last two days.

'Aleppo must not fall': US allies to flood [Aleppo] with anti-aircraft missiles
"The US confirmed the green light to begin sending them to rebels through supply routes still open through Jordan and Turkey," the source said. "Rebels are being told only to target Syrian helicopters, not Russian - but it's not clear they will abide by this."


Both rockets and MANPADs are part of a "Plan-B" the CIA had already developed in May 2015 but which was held back until now.



As an aside MANPADS- man portable air defense systems - can bring down aircraft from 30,000 feet, which is normal airliner altitude. One of the reasons for NOT giving terrorists MANPADS is that they could start being used against civilian iarcraft everywhere in the region, including Europe. I guess that consideration is no longer important to US warhawks.

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There are likely additional military elements to this plan. On the diplomatic side the U.S. (and its stooges) -obviously unable to act rationally- now imitate defiant children. "If we can't get exactly what we want we will never again talk to you."

US Threatens to Suspend Engagement With Russia in Syria Over Aleppo Situation
Unrelated EU Sanctions linked to Ukraine now suddenly get linked to Russia's stipulated official support for the Syrian government: Syria Attacks May Complicate EU Decision on Russia Sanctions


A very major issue for Syria (and one reason why many Syrians flee the country) are U.S. and EU sanctions. Their consequences were so far hardly ever reported. Here is the first major piece in U.S. media about them: U.S. and EU Sanctions Are Punishing Ordinary Syrians and Crippling Aid Work, U.N. Report Reveals

In a 40-page internal assessment commissioned to analyze the humanitarian impact of the sanctions, the U.N. describes the U.S. and EU measures as “some of the most complicated and far-reaching sanctions regimes ever imposed.” Detailing a complex system of “unpredictable and time-consuming” financial restrictions and licensing requirements, the report finds that U.S. sanctions are exceptionally harsh “regarding provision of humanitarian aid.
...
An internal U.N. email obtained by The Intercept also faults U.S. and EU sanctions for contributing to food shortages and deteriorations in health care.
...
The email went on to cite sanctions as a “principal factor” in the erosion of Syria’s health care system.


The piece also explains that the Syrian and Russian behavior towards insurgent occupied cities is in no way more severe than the usual U.S. procedures:

Meanwhile, in cities controlled by ISIS, the U.S. has employed some of the same tactics it condemns. For example, U.S.-backed ground forces laid siege to Manbij, a city in northern Syria not far from Aleppo that is home to tens of thousands of civilians. U.S. airstrikes pounded the city over the summer, killing up to 125 civilians in a single attack. The U.S. replicated this strategy to drive ISIS out of Kobane, Ramadi, and Fallujah, leaving behind flattened neighborhoods. In Fallujah, residents resorted to eating soup made from grass and 140 people reportedly died from lack of food and medicine during the siege.

To help with the sanctions and other issues China had recently agreed with Syria to provide medical support. But just like Russia, China is now considered a U.S. enemy and the CIA and Pentagon are eager to fight it.

Risky business: Is US supporting anti-Chinese militants in Syria?

With war hawks in US/Turkey/Qatar/Saudi arming and funding anti-Chinese militants in Syria that are planning more attacks on Chinese embassies and interests abroad, coupled with US gunboat diplomacy in the South China Sea, this dangerous “deterring the dragon” combination risks turning into a “provoking the dragon” scenario, and may escalate into a military conflict between two nuclear powers.

(The piece also includes this vignette about the anti-Chinese TIP Uighurs in Syria:

Later videos emerged of US/UK-funded White Helmet members with two captured young Syrian soldiers in Kahn Touman, and taunting “Assad, Russia, Iran and China, are they stronger than god?” The two soldiers were later executed by TIP militants.)


A lot of hype is made today about two hospitals in east-Aleppo that were allegedly bombed:

Two hospitals bombed in eastern Aleppo, Syria
Two hospitals bombed in rebel-held Aleppo amid government assault

The second piece, in the Washington Post, originally included this sentence:

Neither hospital was seriously damaged and both are expected soon to function again, ...
I pointed that out several times today to "bombing" hypers including to Washington Post writers. Soon after that the piece was "updated" and the sentence changed to:

Both hospitals are expected to be repaired, but they are badly damaged.

Still, according to the piece, only two people were killed in the relevant strikes and three injured. Had the attacks actually targeted the crowded hospitals both would have been destroyed and many more people would be dead. Instead the hospitals seem to have received only collateral damage from strikes on nearby military targets. But pointing that out does not fit the U.S. propaganda line.

Meanwhile the U.S. and its allies continue their daily business of killing people in Syria and elsewhere.

Afghan official: 13 civilians killed in airstrike on house
Erdogan’s forces kill nine Syrian civilians near borders in Hasaka countryside
Suspected US airstrikes hit Somali army base near Galkacyo town,killing at least 10 soldiers according to officials and local media.

I somewhat agree with this election take by Peter Hitchens:
The world's fixated on Trump. But Hillary could drag us ALL into a catastrophic war


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Saturday, October 1, 2016 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More about the "WHITE HELMETS



FROM BRITAIN ON THE WHITE HELMETS





Again SIG posts propaganda that represents Russia and Assad's point of view. Her post was created by a group known as "Hands off Syria". What they have posted on their facebook page says it all.

The claim people who are eating grass don't want food and medicine because it is coming from the UN is preposterous. Her even suggesting that shows how stupid SIG thinks everyone here is. There are many groups active within the Syrian mess and because there are problems with some of the incoming routes for supplies doesn't mean they don't want the assistance. It just means things are a complete mess. Just take Russia. They agree to a cease fire and then destroy a UN food and medicine convey while continuing to bomb hospitals.

At least SIG quotes a reputable source for the aid conveys post. I will have to see how much she changed the premise of what the actual article says.

Sorry comrade SIG but you need a keeper. Opps I forgot, you have one and his name is Putin.

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Saturday, October 1, 2016 5:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Direct aggression" by the United States toward the Syrian government and armed forces would lead to "frightening, tectonic shifts" in the Middle East, RIA news agency cited Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova as saying on Saturday.

Russia and the United States back opposing sides in the Syrian conflict.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-usa-idUS
KCN121360


So, who does Russia back? Russia backs the Syrian government.
Who does the United States back?


"John Kirby, State Dept spox, threatens Russia with body bags and acts of terror in Russia itself."

"Syria Talks Will End if Aleppo Bombing Continues, U.S. Tells Russia"

Quote:

WASHINGTON — The United States threatened on Wednesday to halt talks with Russia on the war in Syria and scrap plans for joint military targeting of jihadists unless the Russian and Syrian militaries stopped bombing Aleppo.

The threat, conveyed via telephone by Secretary of State John Kerry to his Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov, was the sharpest warning the Americans have made to the Russians over Syria since their Sept. 9 collaboration on a cease-fire collapsed last week.

But the Obama administration did not say what steps it would take if diplomatic efforts failed entirely or how it hoped to deter Russian and Syrian forces from their offensive against rebels in Aleppo, the divided northern Syria city that has become a focal point of the war.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/world/middleeast/syria-john-kerry-al
eppo-russia.html?_r=0


I think at this point, the Russians don't care to talk further with the USA. Every engagement that the Obama administration has had with Russia has been subterfuge, so my guess is that unless the USA offers something substantive, the plan is to take Aleppo militarily. In a week, seems to be the plan. If the Syrian Army and its allies keep advancing at their current pace, the rest of Aleppo should be freed in a month or two.





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Monday, October 3, 2016 2:43 PM

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The State Department just cut off its 'bilateral channels with Russia' over Syria

The US has formally suspended its bilateral channels with Russia over the continued Russian aerial bombardment of Syria's largest city, Aleppo, State Department spokesman John Kirby confirmed in a statement released Monday.

"This was not a decision that was taken lightly," the statement said.

"The US spared no effort in negotiating and attempting to implement an arrangement with Russia aimed at reducing the violence, providing unhindered humanitarian access, and degrading terrorist organizations operating in Syria.

"Unfortunately, Russia failed to live up to its own commitments," the statement continued. "Including its obligations under international humanitarian law and UNSCR 2254."

http://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-suspends-bilateral-cha
nnels-with-russia-over-syria-2016-10



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Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Russia and the United States back opposing sides in the Syrian conflict.




SIG's side ( Russia ) is using cluster bombs on civilians.

Syria war: Girl killed in Aleppo by cluster bomb she thought was a toy

A four-year-old girl has died after picking up a cluster bomb she thought was a toy in the Syrian city of Aleppo.

Eman was going out to collect water in rebel-held eastern Aleppo when she came across the bomb, her family told ITV. She thought it was a silver ball, they said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/middleeast/syria-aleppo-girl-killed/inde
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Tuesday, October 4, 2016 3:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-middle-east-commentary-idUSKC
N123276


Quote:

Commentary: Putin’s Middle East gamble is paying dividends

By Amir Handjani

Vladimir Putin has made an art of turning weakness into strength. As Russian and Syrian forces pound Aleppo in the biggest assault of Syria’s five-year civil war, the Russian president clearly has emerged as a dominant force in the Middle East. Two years ago Russia had virtually no presence in the region, aside from a naval base in Syria. Today Moscow’s fighter jets and missiles fly over Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi airspace.

Over the last year, Putin has inserted Russia into the Syrian conflict and shored up the regime of President Bashar al-Assad as it was on the verge of collapse. The Russian leader has forged a quasi-military alliance with Iran that has allowed him to project power in the Persian Gulf – something that has evaded Moscow since the end of World War Two.

If that wasn’t enough, Putin’s relationship with Turkey, which seemed to be on a collision course after Ankara downed a Russian fighter jet last year, has now warmed to the point where Putin and Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan are about to restore full diplomatic relations. All the while Putin has maintained a close and productive relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu.

How is Putin able to maneuver the shifting sands of the Middle East so effectively and forge ties with countries that are seemingly at odds with each other? Why has Russia been more effective than the United States in furthering Moscow’s own agenda in the region?

Putin is able to quickly identify Russia’s foreign policy interest in a given conflict and commit resources to it – and then abruptly change course once Moscow’s core interest has either been met or has changed.

Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran, the United States has aligned its interest in the Persian Gulf with Sunni monarchies such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar. In turn, these countries have invested heavily in the United States – from buying U.S. debt, to investing in real estate and buying billions of dollars in American military hardware.

Ummm... that was part of the "petrodollar deal that Nixon and Kissinger created in 1973.

Quote:

Arab states have also invested heavily in Washington, buying influence in the corridors of power, funding think tanks and hiring public relations firms to help spread a narrative about why their countries are essential to America’s interest in the Middle East. The relationship between Riyadh and Washington remains particularly strong even as the American public questions the logic behind an alliance with a country whose actions often run counter to Washington’s interests.

These countries feel that Washington is obligated to share their view of the Middle East, which means backing them regardless of whether any conflict they engage in is against the interest of the United States.

Saudi and Qatari interests were behind the two invasions of Iraq, plus the destruction of Libya and the attempted destruction of Syria. We got nothing out of it except expenses, and more terrorism.

Quote:

They have no such influence in Moscow. Even as Moscow backs Shi’ite powerhouse Iran and the Assad regime in Syria, Sunni Arab leaders continue to court Putin and look for ways to collaborate with him. Saudi Arabia, for example is currently trying to coordinate with Moscow on how best to stabilize oil markets and want Putin to pressure Iran to do the same.

Russia’s partnerships are based on cold, hard realism

Something the USA could try more of. I have repeatedly challenged some of our more jingoistic posters to answer the questions

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

and have never gotten a response. I think if one were to ask the neocons who infest the State Department, CIA, and various think-tanks in Washington-land, you probably couldn't get a clear answer out of them, either. They might mumble something about "influence" and "full spectrum dominance" and "Russia" and "terrorism" but not be able to mount a convincing argument about what that means to Americans. REALITY. As Ayn Rand once said, you can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

Quote:

Putin’s sole aim is to further Moscow’s interest. He’s unburdened by a legacy of alliances that do not serve Russia’s strategic aims. He supports Damascus, Tehran and the Shi’ite government of Iraq because he views Sunni extremism as a long-term threat that has destabilized countries in the Middle East
Ya think?

Quote:

and which he fears could wreak havoc in countries close to Russia’s borders. Yet this coordination and collaboration with Shi’ite Iran doesn’t preclude him from working with Sunni Arab states to promote trade for Russian industry and its atomic energy program.

Putin is doing all of this while remaining close to Netanyahu. Even though Putin is working with Syria and Iran – Israel’s mortal enemies – he has convinced Netanyahu that these alliances are not meant to threaten Israel’s existence, but rather serve a larger purpose of defeating Sunni extremism. Russia continues to cooperate with Israel in diverse fields such as energy, agriculture and arms. Russia and Israel also maintain close military contacts and Putin is careful not to transfer offensive weapons to Israel’s foes.

Juxtapose this with how Netanyahu treated Obama and interferes in U.S. domestic politics. In the run-up to the Iran deal, Netanyahu used the influence of AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbying organizations to try and undermine a sitting president and scuttle his signature foreign policy achievement.

If Israel or another U.S. ally tried to interfere or challenge Putin in such a manner, it’s difficult to imagine that he would reward them with $38 billion in aid for ten years, as Obama has done with Israel, or continue to support them militarily with advanced weapons and intelligence – as Washington has done with Saudi Arabia.

Even though the United States is a far greater power and should have more influence on the policies of junior partners such as Saudi Arabia and Israel, the inverse happens: they often work to limit Washington’s strategic options for fear of abandonment or for their own self-interest.

As long as Russia has a more nimble and opportunistic approach to the region, Washington will have a hard time confronting it – and Moscow’s influence will continue to grow.



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Tuesday, October 4, 2016 3:40 PM

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Is Putin preparing for WW3? Russia begins evacuation of FORTY MILLION PEOPLE in huge drill

The huge four-day “civil defence” drill has set alarm bells ringing in Washington and London, with tensions already high over disagreements in Syria.

Following a breakdown in communication between the USA and Russia, the Kremlin has now organised the huge emergency practice drill - either as a show of force or something more sinister.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/717446/russia-evacuate-40-million-
people-emergency-drill-vladimir-putin-ww3


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Wednesday, October 5, 2016 8:56 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


The bombing of Aleppo's children - Russia and Assad have killed over 100 in just the last week - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37559145


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:02 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


UN Syria envoy - Aleppo faces "total ruin", 275,000 civilians trapped under Russian/Assad bombardment, only 900 Al Qaeda-linked fighters amongst the (8000) rebels:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37576204


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:46 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Largest hospital in rebel-held Aleppo hit 3 times in a week by Assad/Putin:

Barrel-bombing on Saturday -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/watch-aftermath-of-deadly-b
arrel-bomb-attack-on-m10-aleppo-hospi
/

Airstrikes on Monday including Russian bunker-busters killed maintenance workers trying to repair the hospital, amongst others -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37542860


Although remember, Signy thinks it's impossible that the same hospitals could be getting bombed over and over, so maybe this is all just a dream.


UN: Hospitals in Aleppo being hit "one by one" - http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/USG%20Stateme
nt%20on%20Aleppo%202_Oct2016.pdf



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Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:52 PM

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If there is a god we will stomp Russia's ass now Obama.

Russia Warns US Not to Intervene in Syria, Threatens to Shoot Down Any Airstrike Attempts

Russia has warned the United States not to intervene militarily in Syria against forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad, threatening that it may shoot down any aircraft attempting to launch strikes.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-warns-us-intervene-syria-th
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