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There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

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So, I have a question for you, second.

Hillary's been elected. Donald is waaaayyy back there, lost over the horizon in the rearview mirror. You can no longer use his name as an excuse to avoid talking about that crazy shit that crazy Hillary has been able to do - thanks to support from democrats and republicans in Congress, and her cozy, familiar relations with neocons in the State Department and in the CIA.

The US has continued to escalate tensions with Russia, and open warfare now seems nearly inevitable.

Do you have a plan to address her broken actions and rein her in?

Or are you going to ride her all the way down?

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But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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I bet Putin is soiling himself. The idea of him getting beaten by a woman? That has to hurt. That's probably why he wants Trump to win - he's scared of women.

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There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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President: National poll results

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Hillary Clinton (D) 42% (+3.00)

Donald Trump (R) 39%

Gary Johnson (L) 7%


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Trump’s lack of personal involvement in anti-Semitism (at least until very recently) makes the way his campaign is stirring up anti-Jewish sentiments so fascinating. Trump quite clearly has built his political profile in large part on dislike of blacks (birtherism) and Latinos (Mexicans are rapists) and Muslims (the total ban on immigration “until we figure out what’s going on”) even while maintaining a very close relationship with an Orthodox Jewish son-in-law.

What we’ve seen from the Trump-o-verse is that many bigots do not make these same fine-grained distinctions. Once you position yourself as the leader of a white nationalist movement, you end up with a lot of anti-Semites in your followership. And Trump, tellingly, has never said or done anything to discourage this kind of behavior.

A normal campaign would be embarrassed by having its self-proclaimed fans out there every day telling Jewish journalists they hope they get sent to the gas chamber. Trump, who tweets and retweets everything under the sun, has thus far not bothered to address this with so much as a tweet, to say nothing of a broader speech or campaign aimed at denouncing these sentiments.

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The deplorables tell Trump that he is flawless, which is why they are the only ones he wants to attract. Revenge is a big part of Trump's life. Following the first presidential debate, he spent days of valuable campaign time (and hours of valuable sleep time) slamming Alicia Machado....Rosie O'Donnell....Judge Gonzalo Curiel....Khizr and Ghazala Khan....Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly.....Gov. John Kasich....Lyin’ Ted, Little Marco.

Why all the insults, bullying, and grudge matches? There is a reason. Trump fervently believes in retaliation. How do we know? Because he has said so numerous times that he is driven by revenge and that it is a basic tool to use in business. He is obsessed with payback.

Pretty much everything else flows from this. The bullying is always in service of revenge. The narcissism is a way of elevating himself above his adversaries. The dominance games are always aimed at real and perceived enemies.

But there's a flip side to this: Anyone who is nice to Donald Trump is a great guy. The best. One of the smartest people you'll ever meet. And this can flip in a minute. This explains why he was inexplicably pleasant to so many of his primary opponents for so long: they hadn't attacked him. Once they did, though, the gloves were off. Ditto for Vladimir Putin. As long as Putin is personally nice to him, Trump is almost literally incapable of attacking him. This will change the moment Putin says anything even mildly derogatory about Trump.

Lots of people are obsessed with scorched-earth retribution against anyone or anything that attacks them. The weird thing about Trump is that it seems to be almost hardwired. No matter how little sense it makes to play nice with, say, Vladimir Putin, Trump simply can't attack until Putin attacks him first. Likewise, no matter how personally or politically destructive it is, Trump is flatly unable to ignore an attack from anyone of influence. It's as if he has a special revenge neuron in his brain, and it flips back and forth and forces him to attack regardless of anything else. It's as automatic for him as jerking your knee is for you when a doctor taps it with a hammer. It's not something that's under Trump's conscious control.

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/newt-gingrich-little-trump-acts-
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The former House speaker and top Trump surrogate told the Washington Examiner’s David Drucker that the Republican nominee loses his cool in response to “anything which attacks his own sense of integrity or his own sense of respectability, and he reacts very intensely, almost uncontrollably, to those kinds of situations.”

....“There’s also a part of his personality that sometimes gets involved in petty things that make no sense, and I think that that’s what I was talking about when I talk about there’s a big Trump and a little Trump,” Gingrich said.

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people really are that gullible.

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There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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Hillary Clinton (D) 44% (+6.00)

Donald Trump (R) 38%

Gary Johnson (L) 6%


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It’s possible that half of undocumented US immigrants have paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Given that Trump has refused to release his income tax returns, it’s unclear how exactly any tax payments stack up against those of unauthorized immigrant workers. In the past, Trump has said that he pays “federal tax,” though that doesn’t necessarily mean he pays personal federal income tax—as opposed to the federal tax on gasoline or jet fuel he purchases, for example.

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First of all, she wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster and very unfair to all the people who are waiting in line for many years. We need strong borders. In the audience tonight we have four mothers of — I mean, these are unbelievable people that I've gotten to know over a period of years whose children have been killed, brutally killed by people who came into the country illegally. You have mothers, fathers, relatives all over the county. They're coming in illegally.

Drugs are pouring in through the border. We have no country if we have no border. Hillary wants to give amnesty, she wants to have open borders.

As you know, the border patrol agency, 16,500-plus ICE last week endorsed me. First time they've ever endorsed a candidate. It means their job is tougher, but they know what's going on. They know it better than anybody. They want strong borders. They feel we have to have strong borders. I was up in New Hampshire, the biggest complaint they have with all the problems going on in the world, many of the problems caused by Hillary Clinton and by Barack Obama, all of the problems, their single biggest problem is heroin that pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth. It's poisoning the blood of their youth and plenty of other people.

We have to have strong borders. We have to keep the drugs out of our country. Right now we're getting the drugs, they're getting the cash. We need strong borders. We absolute -- we cannot give amnesty.

Now I want to build a wall. We need the wall. The Border Patrol, ICE, they all want the wall. We stop the drugs, shore up the border.

One of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, we have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out. We'll get them out, secure the border, and once the border is secured, at a later date we'll make a determination as to the rest. But we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out.

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There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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It’s possible that half of undocumented US immigrants have paid more taxes than Donald Trump. Given that Trump has refused to release his income tax returns, it’s unclear how exactly any tax payments stack up against those of unauthorized immigrant workers. In the past, Trump has said that he pays “federal tax,” though that doesn’t necessarily mean he pays personal federal income tax—as opposed to the federal tax on gasoline or jet fuel he purchases, for example.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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And second - you proved my point. Shame on you for extreme selective quoting to address a point I never made, because you really ARE that dishonest! No wonder you like hillary so much. You're peas in a pod. And of course shame on people who believe your version of my post, because they really ARE that gullible.

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The paper that I cited indicates that "people" mostly get what the wealthy want, because "people" and the wealthy mostly want the same decisions.
HOWEVER, even when a majority of people want something that the wealthy don't want, they don't get it. Example: the public option health insurance.= SIGNY

Academic research on politicians and promises suggests a simpler method: Check her campaign website. In other words, Clinton’s promises tell us a lot about what will happen if she wins the election, and they tell us even more about what she will seriously, energetically try to do.= SECOND

"Do. Or do not. There is no try."
The reason why politicians are able to keep many of their promises, as shown in the paper that I linked, is because most of the time there is no serious elite opposition to most of their promises. However, those promises which seriously skin the elite in some way won't be fulfilled.
That's why I focused in Hillary's tax plan as the least likely to make it through, which puts many of her other domestic plans in jeopardy. She will either get only minor tax concessions, spend as planned, and let the Federal debt go higher,
Or she will have to cut back on her plans in order to not increase the debt. My guess is that she will let the debt go higher, because it is more painless, in the sort run, to put everything on credit.- SIGNY

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About that article that you cite, SECOND ...

You cited it in another thread, and I cited a different article, a far more robust one, which disproves your article, here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60930

Which you have not had the temerity to dispute since it was posted 24 hours ago. Nut since others may not want to go to a link to find another link, here is the original paper

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens
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What it shows, over approximately 1,800 policy decisions, is that mostly Americans and the elite decide in the "same direction" when it comes to policy, but when they conflict, the elite get their way.

So I noticed you abandoned your disputation on the other thread but carried it here, because yes, you ARE that dishonest, and you are desperate to make your pro-Hillary point. The part that you abandoned is this

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The paper that I cited indicates that "people" mostly get what the wealthy want, because "people" and the wealthy mostly want the same decisions.
HOWEVER, even when a majority of people want something that the wealthy don't want, they don't get it. Example: the public option health insurance.= SIGNY

Academic research on politicians and promises suggests a simpler method: Check her campaign website. In other words, Clinton’s promises tell us a lot about what will happen if she wins the election, and they tell us even more about what she will seriously, energetically try to do.= SECOND

"Do. Or do not. There is no try."
The reason why politicians are able to keep many of their promises, as shown in the paper that I linked, is because most of the time there is no serious elite opposition to most of their promises. However, those promises which seriously skin the elite in some way won't be fulfilled.
That's why I focused in Hillary's tax plan as the least likely to make it through, which puts many of her other domestic plans in jeopardy. She will either get only minor tax concessions, spend as planned, and let the Federal debt go higher,
Or she will have to cut back on her plans in order to not increase the debt. My guess is that she will let the debt go higher, because it is more painless, in the sort run, to put everything on credit.- SIGNY

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All told, American Fortune 500 corporations are avoiding up to $695 billion in U.S. federal income taxes by holding $2.4 trillion of “permanently reinvested” profits offshore. In their latest annual financial reports, 27 of these corporations reveal that they have paid an income tax rate of 10 percent or less in countries where these profits are officially held, indicating that most of these monies are likely in offshore tax havens.

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If Hillary can’t get almost every Democrat in Congress behind her position, the GOP wins again. Then Signym will be saying Hillary did not keep a promise because she was secretly working for the elite GOP, but that won't be what happened. What happened instead is the GOP killed another good law.

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It depends on whether the Dems achieve a majority in Congress or not.

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sgg

I have bets with people at work that we and Russia will be shooting at each other within a year. (Let's not count the fact that the US already bombed and strafed the Syrian army for over an hour despite calls to US command, so Russia bombed a 'secret' US outpost in Syria in retaliation.)*

*And what's with the US keeping all this a 'secret', anyway? The Russians know, and our fearless leaders know they know. It's not like putting that information out there is going to be a tactical advantage or disadvantage for anybody. Why are us poor schmucks, the people, the only ones left in the dark?

Meanwhile you can keep on ignoring hillary's results of abysmal failure in every military adventure she supported Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria. Hail saint hillary the perfect!

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hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible.

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No, I don't. And thanks for lying about me - AGAIN.

Meanwhile, I'll keep posting until someone addresses my points - one of which isn't 'what' but HOW. HOW is hillary going to get all her promises through a republican Congress?

As for addressing what * I * posted, instead of the voices in your head, YOU have failed to do so at every opportunity.

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1kiki, if you really were correct then Obama also had "zero power" during the last 4 years. You might want to back off of that claim of "zero". It makes you sound like a drunken Republican celebrating how the GOP will ruin the Democrats despite Trump losing.

As a practical matter, Paul Ryan decided what laws Obama got to sign for the last year. Before Ryan, it was John Boehner deciding.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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POLO


Hillary Clinton

46.3%


Donald J. Trump

40.1%


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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1kiki, if you really were correct then Obama also had "zero power" during the last 4 years. You might want to back off of that claim of "zero". It makes you sound like a drunken Republican celebrating how the GOP will ruin the Democrats despite Trump losing.

As a practical matter, Paul Ryan decided what laws Obama got to sign for the last year. Before Ryan, it was John Boehner deciding.

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This points up the power that a President really DOES have, even with a recalcitrant Congress. So, what did Obama (or maybe it was Hillary) accomplish in his last six years? He (and Hillary) managed to ...

1) Engineer a coup in the Ukraine

2) Instigate sanctions on Russia, creating further stresses on EU economies

3) Destroy Libya

4) Break Sudan into two pieces, creating two failed states out of one

5) Drone Yemen into instability, and support Saudi Arabia's invasion

6) Instigate a proxy was against Assad, using radical Muslim extremists as tools

7) Negotiate trade deals TTIP and TTP

8) Participate in a climate change negotiation

9) Support a Honduran coup

10) Drag his feet in Keystone XL

11) Create a marine sanctuary off Hawaii

12) Piss off Philippine President Duterte

13) Complete the monstrous data storage center in Utah, which contains the emails, texts, phone calls and tweets of hundreds of millions of average Americans

14) Signed more (combined) Executive orders and "Presidential Memoranda" than any other President, including Truman, who up until Obama took the record.
http://moneymorning.com/2016/01/06/president-obama-is-the-most-controv
ersial-executive-action-user-in-u-s-history-heres-why/

15) Sent more troops back into Iraq

16) Failed to stem the wealth gap


I should really look into those Executive Orders and Presidential Memoranda. But the list of Obama's "accomplishments" actually demonstrates my previous point:

The President's power resides PRIMARILY in the realm of "foreign policy", including negotiated treaties, trade agreements, and partnerships, military intervention and covert action. Exactly the place I don't want Hillary to be.

And where Hillary might do some good - domestic policy- she doesn't have much authority. I made this point before: It would be an interesting test if Congress turns Democratic. I know, SECOND, that you objected to this point because of the possibility of minority Senate Republicans filibustering everything. But you contradicted yourself, because even you yourself said that the filibuster COULD be done away with by a simple majority vote. So if Senatorial Democrats were truly hard-nosed, they could get their way. This would be a test, not only of Hillary's commitment to the American people, but also a test of the Democratic Senators' commitment.

Now, with that kind of legislative and executive power - like 2008 to 2011- the Democrats could choose to accomplish a lot. And if they made a real difference in the lives of everyday Americans they would ensure their hold on power for the foreseeable future. But like in 2008-2011, my bet s that they'd scurry from responsibility, like cockroaches when the light is turned on, because nobody but nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them contributions, neither Democrats nor Republicans.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"1kiki, if you really were correct then Obama also had "zero power""

YOU EFFING LIAR!!!

MAYBE IF I MAKE IT BIG ENOUGH, BOLD, ENOUGH, ITALIC ENOUGH, RED ENOUGH, CAPITAL ENOUGH, UNDERLINED ENOUGH

YOU'LL FINALLY FUCKING STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE BEEN POSTING ALL ALONG

THERE ARE ONLY TWO - TWO - 2 - DOS - DUEX - DWA - EK - THINGS hillary WILL BE ABLE TO DO.

Trade deals, and provoke Russia.

Got it, now? Or are you so FUCKING dishonest you'll pretend to not understand it NOW?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, I can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.

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POLO

Probabilities as of Sun Oct 23 2016

Hillary Clinton (D) 85% (+71.00)

Donald Trump (R) 14%


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
COOL - NOW I KNOW YOU READ IT!

BTW, I'll keep posting this until you respond to the facts. Though you DO seem afraid of facts about hillary. Why is that?

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