The Evidens by JO753

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hey, JO, here's evidens for you.

About a third of what this man says, I remember specifically from when it happened, so I can tell you that it's at least consistent with the press coverage at the time. About half really is speculation. The remainder refers to events that should be verifiable. But it's at least on par with the quality of anti-Trump "evidens" in the press.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:21 PM

rezident owtsidr

Soooo.... Comey'z plot to bring down The Donald started with lozing the election for Hillary?

Thats deep! Its going to take the plot twist to end all plot twists to make that make sens.

WAIT! I got it!

Its all a plot to lull Putin into feeling safe in America. He and hiz sub-oligarks will attend a big party at the White House and after a wild nite uv revelry, wake up in windowless sellz in a secret prizon.

Trump, Hillary, Obama and Ross Perot were the key arkiteks uv this plot to save the world from nuclear thret and liberate Russia from a mersiless dictator.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:58 PM

That sounds like a plot twist worthy of the "Master" himself, M Knight...

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Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:38 PM

rezident owtsidr

HAHAHAHA!

I figured out hiz schtick on the 3rd movie. The 6th Sens wuz good, so he just keeps retooling it to fit wutever subject the new movie iz.

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Soooo.... Comey'z plot to bring down The Donald started with lozing the election for Hillary?

Comey didn't "lose the election for Hillary," Hillary lost the election for Hillary. The best Comey could do - against all FBI protocol - was derail the prosecution of Hillary for keeping State Dept emails on her server, erasing evidence, and having a "pay to play" slush fund through the Clinton Foundation.

But, alas for Hillary, there wasn't enough lipstick in the world to make the pig look like anything other than a pig. Comey did his best. It just wasn't enough.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:53 PM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Comey didn't "lose the election for Hillary,"

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-cl
inton-the-election/

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Friday, June 2, 2017 11:35 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Comey didn't "lose the election for Hillary,"- SIGNY

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-cl
inton-the-election - JO

So ... it WASN'T the Russians???

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Friday, June 2, 2017 3:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So ... it WASN'T the Russians???

LOL...

Not in this thread.

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Friday, June 2, 2017 6:15 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Comey didn't "lose the election for Hillary,"- SIGNY

Quote:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-cl
inton-the-election - JO

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So ... it WASN'T the Russians???

It was. It was Comey AND the Russians AND the DNC ...

Quote:
Clinton has said that if the election had been on October 27 — the day before FBI Director James Comey sent a letter to members of Congress about her use of an email server — she would have won. (and) “bots that are just out of control” (and) “So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party” ... “mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong.” http://www.salon.com/2017/06/02/even-hillary-clintons-supporters-are-t
elling-her-to-move-on/

But others are telling her to move on ...

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I love Hillary. I think she is very prepared to be president of the United States … and I think she has a right to analyze what happened, but we do have to move on,” Franken said. “We have to move on by proving we are the party that cares about a lot of the people who voted for Donald Trump. https://www.yahoo.com/news/franken-clinton-move-election-loss-21144123
2.html

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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Friday, June 2, 2017 7:49 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

To get back to the question of getting people to vote for you ...

There have been many, many groups of disenfranchised people, the largest of which is actually a majority in this country, which is 'women'. Then there are blacks, hispanics, lgbts, first nations, and so on. Quite obviously, a large number of people have suffered grievous historical oppression. And that oppression just doesn't disappear overnight, just because a law or two was passed.

But I think democrats have made a serious error counting on minority 'victimhood'. OR angling toward white majority economic victimhood like Franken seems to be talking about.

What is so wrong with promising fairness for all? Or justice for all? Or equal opportunity for all? OR FOR PROMISING A NEW 'FAIR DEAL' FOR ALL?

You can't address the problems of women, or blacks, hispanics, lgbts, first nations, OR WHITES, and so on until you address their economic circumstances, and the extent government has fostered our zombie economy and trickle down poverty.

You can't promise to lift up one group, or another group, or a third, fourth, fifth or sixth group, individually, unless you figure out a way to lift up all, fairly and equitably. Otherwise, the people in the groups you've avoided pandering to, will rightfully assume you have a zero-sum equation in mind - that you want to lift up others at their expense. And somebody is going to be actively campaigning against you.

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Friday, June 2, 2017 7:57 PM

THGRRI

It would be worse 1kiki if they lived in Russia. Thank goodness they don't right?

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Friday, June 2, 2017 8:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THUGGER IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 1:57 AM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So ... it WASN'T the Russians???

Thanks for proving you didnt bother to read the article.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 2:20 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So ... it WASN'T the Russians???

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:

Thanks for proving you didnt bother to read the article.

Thanks for proving you're a liar.

There was nothing in the article about Russia changing the election results.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:07 AM

rezident owtsidr

Thanks for proving youre an idiot.

From the 2nd paragraf uv article:

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The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost.

Encompassez every other factor.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:19 AM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
To get back to the question of getting people to vote for you ...

Rong thred. But, I did update the campane paje. http://www.7532020.com/KaMPAN.htm

Added a whole section at the beginning - 'why me?'

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:30 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Thanks for proving youre an idiot.
From the 2nd paragraf uv article:
Quote:
The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost.

Encompassez every other factor.

I read the article when SECOND trotted it out, which was shortly after Clinton's loss. There WERE many other factors, but according the Nate Silver, he tracked a change in polling numbers right after Comey came out with Oh dear we found 60,000 more emails on Huma's laptop

So, for Nate anyway, it wasn't the Russians. Or at least, they weren't the nail in the coffin. Now, in MY humble opinion, the reason why Hillary lost was because the people thought she was an untrustworthy, more of the same candidate ... NOW, with MORE WAR!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:34 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Thanks for proving youre an idiot. -JO

I really don't think she gets enough thanks for that - totally under appreciated. - GSTRING

Wow, KIKI really has gotten under your skin, hasn't she?

Also, JO, where IS this "evidens" that you speak of?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:22 AM

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So, for Nate anyway, it wasn't the Russians. Or at least, they weren't the nail in the coffin. Now, in MY humble opinion, the reason why Hillary lost was because the people thought she was an untrustworthy, more of the same candidate ... NOW, with MORE WAR!

The exact same time that Comey did that, 10 days before the election, was when everybody got their yearly massive increases in Health Insurance under the ACA.

Occam's Razor people.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:31 AM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
THUGGER IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 11:11 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I've got another article titled "Let's Cut the Crap About Why Hillary Clinton Lost"
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/lets-cut-crap-about-why-hillary
-clinton-lost
Kevin Drum boils it down to:

Hillary Clinton was running for a third Democratic term with an OK but not great economy. Most models predicted a roughly 50-50 race.

In the end, despite everything, she still outperformed the models and won the popular vote by 2 percent.

The Comey letter cost her 2-3 percent, and the other stuff probably cost her another couple of points. Without those things, she wins in a landslide and cruises into the White House.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Thanks for proving youre an idiot.
From the 2nd paragraf uv article:
Quote:
The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost.

Encompassez every other factor.
I read the article when SECOND trotted it out, which was shortly after Clinton's loss. There WERE many other factors, but according the Nate Silver, he tracked a change in polling numbers right after Comey came out with Oh dear we found 60,000 more emails on Huma's laptop

So, for Nate anyway, it wasn't the Russians. Or at least, they weren't the nail in the coffin. Now, in MY humble opinion, the reason why Hillary lost was because the people thought she was an untrustworthy, more of the same candidate ... NOW, with MORE WAR!

Come to think of it, if the average American voter cared at all about "MORE WAR", as Signym does, then Obama would have lost his second election. Obama had given Americans "MORE WAR". On the other side, Mitt Romney had never given anybody any war at all. Yet Romney lost despite being without sin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Come to think of it, if the average American voter cared at all about "MORE WAR", as Signym does, then Obama would have lost his second election. Obama had given Americans "MORE WAR". On the other side, Mitt Romney had never given anybody any war at all. Yet Romney lost despite being without sin.

Mitt Romney didn't campaign on MORE WAR. Hillary did. Our current animosity toward Russia wasn't even a thing for decades until the final leg of the election when Hillary started it.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 1:34 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Come to think of it, if the average American voter cared at all about "MORE WAR", as Signym does, then Obama would have lost his second election. Obama had given Americans "MORE WAR". On the other side, Mitt Romney had never given anybody any war at all. Yet Romney lost despite being without sin.

Mitt Romney didn't campaign on MORE WAR. Hillary did. Our current animosity toward Russia wasn't even a thing for decades until the final leg of the election when Hillary started it.

6stringJoker, where the hell did you get the idea that animosity toward Russia wasn’t even a thing for decades until Hillary started it? There is zero truth in what you wrote.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-republican-right-found-allies-
in-russia/2017/04/30/e2d83ff6-29d3-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html

Maybe Americans suddenly changed to wanting a pacifist like Trump for President after Romney lost and Americans started opposing war? Except Trump is no pacifist and Americans are not opposed to war. Well if they did become pacifists, why aren't Americans picketing against Trump's Mother of All Bombs? There is no picketing against Trump's drone strikes, either. "Trump Admin Ups Drone Strikes, Tolerates More Civilian Deaths"
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-admin-ups-drone-strikes-tolerates-m
ore-civilian-deaths-n733336

It can't be true that Americans voted for peace candidate Trump since he actually was very enthusiastic about using nuclear weapons before the election. That is not how a peace candidate acts. And after the election Trump is increasing the Pentagon’s budget. That is not what a peaceful president would do.
https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifying-things-donald-trump-has-publicl
y-said-about-nuclear-weapons-99f6290bc32a

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 1:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Thanks for proving youre an idiot.

From the 2nd paragraf uv article:
Quote:
The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost.

Encompassez every other factor.

Thanks for proving you're a liar. AGAIN.

From your link

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The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost. It does not excuse every decision the Clinton campaign made. Other factors may have played a larger role in her defeat, and it’s up to Democrats to examine those as they choose their strategy for 2018 and 2020.

But the effect of those factors — say, Clinton’s decision to give paid speeches to investment banks, or her messaging on pocket-book issues, or the role that her gender played in the campaign — is hard to measure.

The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast.

Do you see Russia there, Jo?

And Jo, why in god's name would you lie about something you've linked? How much of an idiot do you have to be to do that?

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 3:45 PM

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Originally posted by second:
6stringJoker, where the hell did you get the idea that animosity toward Russia wasn’t even a thing for decades until Hillary started it? There is zero truth in what you wrote.

Russia hasn't been on anybodies radar since I was a kid and Gorbachev tore down the wall. I'm sure things have always been going on and our intelligence agencies have always had an eye on them, but your average American did not equate Russia with either Evil or War until Hillary started talking about them in the debates.

That is truth. Just because you've wrapped yourself up in the Anti-Russia cape the MSM gave you the last 6-8 months, you shouldn't forget it.

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Originally posted by second:
There is no picketing against Trump's drone strikes, either. "Trump Admin Ups Drone Strikes, Tolerates More Civilian Deaths"

Yeah. Where was the MSM and Liberal Outrage when Obama was president and the exact same title could have been printed with Obama's name instead of Trump's?

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:55 PM

rezident owtsidr

I no its a waste uv time, but I'll try to explain it for you 1kiki.

The 538 article iz not about TrumPutin, its about why the Comey letter can be be singled out az the immediate cauze uv Hillary loozing the election. Its very long az it iz. If Nate went into the Russian influens, it woud turn into a book.

Sure, if Hillary had made better choisez, the Comey letter may hav not been enuf to looz. If Russia hadnt brot her favorabilty rating down so far, it may not hav been enuf.

Suppoze sumwun haz severe hart trubl, and canser. If you shoot him in the arm and he diez from the shock and blood loss, the fact that the bad hart and cansr weakening him enuf to make the bullet fatal duznt mean it wuznt the bullet that killed him.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:04 PM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:I read the article when SECOND trotted it out, which was shortly after Clinton's loss.

MAY 3, 2017 - 6 months after the election on this planet. Where are you?

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So, for Nate anyway, it wasn't the Russians.

False premise.

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Or at least, they weren't the nail in the coffin.

True.

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Now, in MY humble opinion, the reason why Hillary lost was because the people thought she was an untrustworthy, more of the same candidate ... NOW, with MORE WAR!

Thats the perseption Putin worked so hard to nurture.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:15 PM

rezident owtsidr

The next thing likely to kum out will be connectionz between Steve Bannon, Kellyanne Conway and Putin'z operation.

They appear to be the proponents uv Trump's desision to pull out uv the Paris accord. Not that I think he woud hav made a different desision without their influens kuz he iz still just Putin'z puppet. I am saying they hav provided strong evidens uv a connection by favoring the bad-for-America/good-for-Russia move.

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 9:49 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What did Trump do that was so bad?

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo - IT'S NOT TREASONOUS, OR EVEN ILLEGAL, FOR TRUMP TO TALK WITH PUTIN, OR TRY TO TALK WITH PUTIN.

I keep waiting for the big reveal - what did Trump DO that was so bad?

But not only have you failed to provide any evidence, you can't even point to a genuine issue.

And, without indication WHAT you're talking about, you go on about you 'evidence'.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
1) I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuze to look at the evidens and then say I'm not providing any, this thred turnz to pure churn.

So, I ask again ...

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Your so-called 'evidence' is still anonymous gossip, Jo, no matter how many times you try to redefine the word 'evidence'.

MEANWHILE, I've been asking over several different threads - what has Trump DONE that's illegal?

Can you answer that?

BUT, having derailed off your ordinal topic, you swerve towards Comey ...

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
2) https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-cl
inton-the-election/

And, trying to close out your original claims, Signy asks

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So ... it WASN'T the Russians???

.. And you reply ...

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
3) Thanks for proving you didnt bother to read the article.

Is that your sleazy way of trying to imply that Nate Silver said it was, Jo?

It sure seems like it was, because when I (correctly) said Silver said no such thing

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There was nothing in the article about Russia changing the election results.

you replied

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4) Thanks for proving youre an idiot.
From the 2nd paragraf uv article:
"The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost."
Encompassez every other factor.

Except Silver failed to mention Russia.

And now, after 1) evading, 2) evading, 3) lying, and 4) lying, you've now moved on to - MORE OF THE SAME!

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Originally posted by JO753:
The 538 article iz not about TrumPutin (then why did you keep saying it was, Jo?), its about why the Comey letter can be be singled out az the immediate cauze uv Hillary loozing the election. Its very long az it iz. If Nate went into the Russian influens, it woud turn into a book. (Except Silver didn't even MENTION Russia as being relevant, Jo, like he mentioned THINGS HILLARY DID.)

Sure, if Hillary had made better choisez, the Comey letter may hav not been enuf to looz. If Russia hadnt brot her favorabilty rating down so far, it may not hav been enuf. (Where is that EVIDENCE, Jo? You seem to not have found any.)

So, let's get back to what Silver ACTUALLY SAID

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But the effect of those factors — say, Clinton’s decision to give paid speeches to investment banks, or her messaging on pocket-book issues, or the role that her gender played in the campaign — is hard to measure.

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Suppoze sumwun haz severe hart trubl, and canser. If you shoot him in the arm and he diez from the shock and blood loss, the fact that the bad hart and cansr weakening him enuf to make the bullet fatal duznt mean it wuznt the bullet that killed him.

Suppose Hillary HADN'T given those speeches, and then, on top of that, refused to release the contents, Jo? Suppose Bernie HADN'T run, thus contrasting against Hillary's own poor 'pocket-book messaging', Jo? Suppose Hillary - against advice and policy - HADN'T used her own non-secured private server, Jo? And THEN scrubbed over half the emails on it claiming they were 'personal', Jo? And THEN repeatedly changed her story on it, Jo?

SUPPOSE HILLARY HADN'T GIVEN HERSELF HEART TROUBLE AND CANCER, Jo?

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Saturday, June 3, 2017 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Suppoze sumwun haz severe hart trubl, and canser. If you shoot him in the arm and he diez from the shock and blood loss, the fact that the bad hart and cansr weakening him enuf to make the bullet fatal duznt mean it wuznt the bullet that killed him.

That's a really good analogy. Maybe the Democrats shouldn't have backed such a cancerous candidate.

Then again, the cancerous SJW sect has been the guiding principals for the Democrats for quite some time and they needed to be removed as well.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:04 AM

rezident owtsidr

Then she woudnt hav lost, 1KIKI.

If she wuz going to win by a 70% landslide, then Comey duz hiz little stunt, she still winz with a 68% landslide.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Suppose you weren't a lying sack?- GSTRING

Wow, KIKI, my hat's off to you. I don't know what you did to tweak GSTRING so badly, but he's completely off his nut. Considering the source, I take his insults as a compliment.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Suppose Hillary HADN'T given those speeches, and then, on top of that, refused to release the comments, Jo? Suppose Bernie HADN'T run, thus contrasting against Hillary's own poor 'pocket-book messaging', Jo? Suppose Hillary - against advice and policy - hadn't used her own non-secured private server, Jo? And THEN scrubbed over half the emails on it claiming they were 'personal', Jo? And THEN repeatedly changed her story on it, Jo? SUPPOSE HILLARY HADN'T GIVEN HERSELF HEART TROUBLE AND CANCER, Jo? - KIKI

Then she woudnt hav lost, 1KIKI.
If she wuz going to win by a 70% landslide, then Comey duz hiz little stunt, she still winz with a 68% landslide.-JO

What I think you're saying, JO, is that if Hillary wasn't such a marginal candidate to begin with, the 1% or 2% that Comey might have been responsible for wouldn't have made any difference.

In other words, it wasn't the Russians and it wasn't Comey, it was Hillary herself.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:29 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Wow, KIKI, my hat's off to you. I don't know what you did to tweak GSTRING so badly, but he's completely off his nut. Considering the source, I take his insults as a compliment.

I enjoy watching GEEBERS dance to my tune.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:15 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Jo, how did it get so bad that Hillary Clinton losing - to Donald Trump of all people - was even a possibility?

On the face of it, Clinton should have been able to win against Trump without even campaigning. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but not that far off the mark. OBVIOUSLY there was a MAJOR miscalculation about Clinton's actual standing across the country.

What signals were being missed? What misperceptions went unnoticed?

Hillary eroded her own chances with the piling on of lies on top of evasions on top of manipulations, including her private unsecured email server AND the scrubbed supposedly private files AND the shifting stories she used to explain it all, the Goldman Sachs speeches AND the fact that she wouldn't make the contents public, the way she and the DNC preassigned delegates AND manipulated the debate schedule AND fraudulently manipulated delegate votes because of entrenched bias (proven by DNC emails), the constant presence of The Clinton Foundation AND its shady benefactors ... even Bill's little stunt visiting Lynch in her plane ...

... But then, she also ran as the candidate of more of the same. Her historic support for 'free' trade agreements and her non-recognition of how severely wage earners were hurting garnered some antipathy and moved other potential supporters to non-voting or third party status. (Her non-recognition of how STRONG a primary opponent Sanders was, and why that was so, was a fatal blind spot, imo.)

Each one of these things cost her a few percentage points here and there, over a multitude of states - and before you know it, you're talking real numbers.

Hillary incrementally moved herself from 'winner' to 'marginal' column, over time. By that time she was ready for a fall, and by focusing on Hillary's well-known weaknesses, Trump took her down. And yes, it was close. It could have gone the other way. But it wouldn't have even been possible without Hillary REPEATEDLY, PERSISTENTLY undermining herself regarding a wide range of topics.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 5:15 AM

Watch this and then compare that to Hillary.

You guys can keep crying Russia and Comey all you want, but she did it to herself. It's hard to realize that when the entire Democratic party did it to themselves.

Welcome to life outside of the Obama Echo Chamber.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 6:59 AM

rezident owtsidr

Interesting story, 6. But it duznt match Hillaryz loss.

Why do you keep trying to pin it all on 1 cauze?

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 7:10 AM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
On the face of it, Clinton should have been able to win against Trump without even campaigning. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but not that far off the mark.

Thats part uv why the 'no Russian effect' argument failz. Trump wuz such a bad candidate that Hillary shoud hav been able to stay at home for the entire campane and just watch him self destruct.

Lets see if the next 538 article on the subject triez to figure out the wut ifs.

While we're waiting, maybe you coud try to debunk sum uv The Evidens.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 7:13 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

On the face of it, Clinton should have been able to win against Trump without even campaigning. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but not that far off the mark. OBVIOUSLY there was a MAJOR miscalculation about Clinton's actual standing across the country.

Before Hillary, you need to explain why Trump beat Ted Cruz and a dozen others in the primary. Is your explanation that each of them, same as Hillary, made a "MAJOR miscalculation"? That’s not what happened.

Trump won because he was selling a puppy dog that the majority wanted to buy. Now that they bought him home, Trump is pooping on their carpets. He is not house broken.

www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R

Trump 14,015,993 44.95%
Ted Cruz 7,822,100 25.08%
John Kasich 4,290,448 13.76%
Marco A. Rubio 3,515,576 11.27%
Ben Carson, Sr. 857,039 2.75%
Jeb Bush 286,694 0.92%
Rand Paul 66,788 0.21%
Chris Christie 57,637 0.18%
Mike Huckabee 51,450 0.16%
Carly Fiorina 40,666 0.13%
Jim Gilmore, III 18,369 0.06%
No Preference 16,670 0.05%
Rick Santorum 16,627 0.05%
Lindsey Graham 5,666 0.02%
Elizabeth Gray 5,449 0.02%

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 7:25 AM

rezident owtsidr

Al Franken: "Extreemly disturbing" new info about to drop on Jeff Sessionz.

(if it starts at 9:45, az it iz for me, just rewind it kuz the interesting stuff iz at the beginning)

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 9:38 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump won because he was selling a puppy dog that the majority wanted to buy. Now that they bought him home, Trump is pooping on their carpets. He is not house broken.

He's not shitting in my back yard.

I think he's pissing in your Cheerios though.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 10:02 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump won because he was selling a puppy dog that the majority wanted to buy. Now that they bought him home, Trump is pooping on their carpets. He is not house broken.

He's not shitting in my back yard.

I think he's pissing in your Cheerios though.

Trump made a range of claims in his Paris climate speech, claims that were false or misleading.

Believe me, Trump pooped in his pants, a tremendous dump of crap before a live audience. I applaud Trump, since most of my wealth is connected to oil and, especially, natural gas. It was cute what Trump did because he's not my puppy and I won't have to clean up his messes. I will benefit from them.

www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2017/jun/02/presidents-
paris-climate-speech-annotated-trumps-claims-analysed
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/01/fact-checking-p
resident-trumps-claims-on-the-paris-climate-change-deal/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Trump wuz such a bad candidate that Hillary shoud hav been able to stay at home for the entire campane and just watch him self destruct.

So how did he win the primary, Jo?

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Lets see if the next 538 article on the subject triez to figure out the wut ifs.

People disliked Hillary enough to stay home in record numbers. not a hint of Russia in sight. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home
-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

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While we're waiting, maybe you coud try to debunk sum uv The Evidens.

You mean the unsupported, anonymous gossip, Jo? How about you try to take another stab at defining 'evidence'?

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 1:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Before Hillary, you need to explain why Trump beat Ted Cruz and a dozen others in the primary.

I've explained it many times, SECOND. I've also said it was an important signal that Hillary missed, just like she missed the signal of Bernie's strong opposition. A lot of people had had it with bought-and-paid politicians.

By not understanding the mood of the country, she failed to address people's angst.

People weren't buying a puppy. They were voting against more of the same.

By the way, your pov doesn't take into account Hillary's sinking approval ratings, which she accomplished without help from anyone, all on her own.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-num
ber-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/?utm_term=.0f8117f1a8ee

and

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump made a range of claims in his Paris climate speech, claims that were false or misleading.

Believe me, Trump pooped in his pants, a tremendous dump of crap before a live audience. I applaud Trump, since most of my wealth is connected to oil and, especially, natural gas. It was cute what Trump did because he's not my puppy and I won't have to clean up his messes. I will benefit from them.

As always, thanks once again for reminding everyone of how much money you've got. You rock.

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:10 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Trump made a range of claims in his Paris climate speech, claims that were false or misleading.

Believe me, Trump pooped in his pants, a tremendous dump of crap before a live audience. I applaud Trump, since most of my wealth is connected to oil and, especially, natural gas. It was cute what Trump did because he's not my puppy and I won't have to clean up his messes. I will benefit from them.- SECOND

As always, thanks once again for reminding everyone of how much money you've got. You rock.- SIX

That seems to be SECOND's main claim to fame: we should listen to her, not because she has anything intelligent to say or because she's an ethical person or because she's a hard worker but because she inherited a lot of wealth.

So by the way, SECOND, those herds of cattle and those oil wells .... are YOU going to be part of the solution to global warming? Or will you behave like every other profit-minded business and carry on with "business as usual"?

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 5:21 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

That seems to be SECOND's main claim to fame: we should listen to her, not because she has anything intelligent to say or because she's an ethical person or because she's a hard worker but because she inherited a lot of wealth.

So by the way, SECOND, those herds of cattle and those oil wells .... are YOU going to be part of the solution to global warming? Or will you behave like every other profit-minded business and carry on with "business as usual"?

It would cost me too much to be part of the solution. But remember I am only the 1%. I expect the other 99% to understand what is happening and vote accordingly. They are now getting what they deserve because a majority of them won't vote for their own self-interest. They keep voting for what is in my self-interest.

I vote for Democrats but I benefit immensely from the GOP policies on taxes and energy. I’m not gonna fight the GOP just so I can lose all that money, but what I am really impressed with is those poor and middle-class who vote for Republicans and are materially losing because of GOP policies. Such dedication to their beliefs! Those voters really are dedicated to martyring themselves for their political party. And for my benefit. I thank them for their voting habits, although I cannot bring myself to vote Republican.

Evidence Mountin’
https://twitter.com/mikd33/status/867750978866511872

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 4, 2017 6:07 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That seems to be SECOND's main claim to fame: we should listen to her, not because she has anything intelligent to say or because she's an ethical person or because she's a hard worker but because she inherited a lot of wealth.
So by the way, SECOND, those herds of cattle and those oil wells .... are YOU going to be part of the solution to global warming? Or will you behave like every other profit-minded business and carry on with "business as usual"?

The answer is B.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
It would cost me too much to be part of the solution.

And now ... let me offer the rationalization.

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Remember I am only the 1%.

With 99.9% of the wealth and influence. Let me mention that while I'm here.

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And I expect the other 99% to understand what is happening and vote accordingly.

Yes, the peons need to get in line and vote for the people I think should represent them for reasons I think they should agree to, on problems I think they should address.

Because, obeying your betters in the voting booth is DEMOCRACY!!!!

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They

the peons, that's you

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are now getting what they,

you,

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deserve because a majority of them,

you,

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won't vote for

who I think they - you - should vote for, or accept the choices I want them - you - to have.

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I vote for Democrats

but I'm OBSESSED with Hillary, because, like other bought democrats, she really doesn't threaten my livelihood (unlike Bernie)

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but I benefit

equally

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immensely from the GOP policies on taxes and energy. I’m not gonna fight the GOP

or support genuine economic reform for everyone

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just so I can lose all that money.

But what I am really impressed with is those poor and middle-class who vote for Republicans and are materially losing because of GOP policies.

Because, good god, why don't they just stampede to democrats who're offering them the crumbs of a few social issues.

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Such dedication to their beliefs!

SUCH A LACK OF REAL CHOICE! Isn't democracy beautiful.

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