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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I'm objecting to is the constant one-sided focus on Trump.

IF YOU HAD RAISED OBJECTIONS TO THE CLINTON'S UNETHICAL, IF NOT DOWNRIGHT ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR, I'D SAY THAT YOU REALLY WERE INTERESTED IN DRAINING THE SWAMP.

But the reality that that you're either partisan hacks (like SECOND) or deep-state trolls (like THUGR) and nobody would EVER mistake you for objective arbiters of anything.

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Originally posted by second:
I hear about Clinton's behavior all the time in Texas from over-stimulated Republicans: Did you hear she killed Vince Foster? Did you know drugs were smuggled into Arkansas under Clinton protection? Did you know she violated email protocol that put the USA at risk of something? Did you know her negligence killed those embassy guys in Libya? Did you know Clinton would start a war with Russia and there would be H-bombs dropped on Houston?

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Migrants from west Africa being ‘sold in Libyan slave markets’
West African migrants are being bought and sold openly in modern-day [public] slave markets in Libya, survivors have told a UN agency helping them return home.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So THUGR, SECOND if you can show that what I've posted is "false" and "lies" then maybe you win a point.

But, what HAVE I posted?

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We have been and will continue to, point out what you are doing in real time. No need to rehash it all.

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We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. - THUGR

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. - THUGR

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Fixed it for you.

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I offer as proof who the liar is by pointing out your continued practice of changing what others post. It's also what your favorite source zero hedge does.

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We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. -THUGR
Fixed it for you.- SIGNY

I offer as proof who the liar is by pointing out your continued practice of changing what others post. It's also what your favorite source zero hedge does. - THUGR

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. -THUGR
Fixed it for you.- SIGNY

I offer as proof who the liar is by pointing out your continued practice of changing what others post. It's also what your favorite source zero hedge does. - THUGR

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Nobody would ever read my post ... where I clearly strike out your words and insert my own comments ... and assume it was yours. It is very clear that I think you're a liar, not that YOU admit to being one.

None of your "friends" here on the board will back you up on your particular grotch about this because it's clear TO EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU what you posted versus what I posted.

And only you would pretend that a clearly edited post was some sort of "lie".

So sit on it and spin.

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It's that you do this type thing in many different forms Sig, not just the way you do it here. As I've stated before, you even make up some quoted statements yourself. Then you argue with yourself as though you were right and the other supposed person was wrong. You're sick comrade.

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It's that you do this type thing in many different forms Sig,- THUGR

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Have you been able to show that anything that I just posted about Hillary was a "lie"?

No???

Just because you disagree with me doesn't make me a "liar".

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AND STILL NO EVIDENCE, eh comrade troll?

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You really should try and tell the truth once SIG, you'll feel better. If you won't believe me maybe you'll believe one of these guys.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, I don't think you understand how little I care about "what Putin wants".

First of all, he's over there; we're over here. Until his actions impact OUR interests, then I don't give a fuck; I really don't.

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AND STILL NO EVIDENCE, eh comrade troll? - SIGNY
You really should try and tell the truth once SIG, you'll feel better. If you won't believe me maybe you'll believe one of these guys.- THUGR

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Robert Mueller needs to persuade grand juries ... [and] tell a story that a judge or a jury can follow

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I do check my own quote when somebody quotes me and so far I've never seen anybody intentionally change what I post and try to pass it off as something I actually said.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

One of the things I'm really good at (in my job) is letting the data speak to me. You just gotta throw the data on the table and absorb it, without trying to impose a picture on the data.

I think the Trump campaign committee had far fewer inimical foreign contacts than the Clinton campaign committee.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Robert Mueller needs to persuade grand juries ... [and] tell a story that a judge or a jury can follow

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In other words, Mueller needs to spin a yarn? Maybe you need to tell that to THUGR, since HE seems to believe that "the truth" should figure into this somehow.

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Lawyers are not scientists ... Snow jobs are how prosecutors turn suspicion into convictions from juries.

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Lawyers are not scientists ... Snow jobs are how prosecutors turn suspicion into convictions from juries.

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Lawyers aren't scientists, but YOU should be, otherwise you can't claim to know what's going on.

Lawyers have agendas: Prosecutors seek to prosecute, and defenders seek to defend. So far, you've been far into the prosecutor's camp: biased and prejudiced, which is what I've been saying all along.

I "get" that you hate Trump, but maybe you shouldn't be driven by bias and emotion. By allowing yourself to be so driven that you fail to look at ALL of the data is how people get manipulated by TPTB. And YOU don't want to be manipulated, do you?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Robert Mueller needs to persuade grand juries ... [and] tell a story that a judge or a jury can follow

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In other words, Mueller needs to spin a yarn? Maybe you need to tell that to THUGR, since HE seems to believe that "the truth" should figure into this somehow.

One of the things I'm really good at (in my job) is letting the data speak to me. You just gotta throw the data on the table and absorb it, without trying to impose a picture on the data.

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And here we have it. SIG tells us if Mueller is able to make a case against Trump ( which is seconds point ), he will be lying, spinning a yarn. Nothing else needs to be said. This shows what I've said about SIG from day one to be true. She has an agenda and facts don't enter into it.

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Do three lawyers have a meeting before a trial and roll the dice to decide who is judge, who is prosecutor, and who is defense attorney? No! They arrive in the courtroom already having taken a side. They have prejudged the case. Are jurors selected at random? No! The defense and prosecution exclude jurors to gain advantage. Trials are in no way dispassionate seeking of the Truth. There is nothing scientific happening in a courtroom. And impeachment is even more manipulative and unscientific. It is a clash of wills. - SECOND

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And here we have it. SIG tells us if Mueller is able to make a case against Trump ( which is seconds point ), he will be lying, spinning a yarn.- THUGR

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Do three lawyers have a meeting before a trial and roll the dice to decide who is judge, who is prosecutor, and who is defense attorney? No! They arrive in the courtroom already having taken a side. They have prejudged the case. Are jurors selected at random? No! The defense and prosecution exclude jurors to gain advantage. Trials are in no way dispassionate seeking of the Truth. There is nothing scientific happening in a courtroom. And impeachment is even more manipulative and unscientific. It is a clash of wills. - SECOND

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SECOND, basically you're saying that you don't give a crap about the truth because you're describing - and excusing- a system in which truth doesn't figure.

I KNEW THAT.

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This is a troubling conversation you're having. If the facts don't warrant charges or a trial then there won't be any. There are those who would site times when this was not the case. Where personalities here would obfuscate, or darken the reputation of the rule of law in this country, as they attempt to make the case the rule of law in this country is completely broken. Sounds like what is being said here. Typical of SIG, it's what she does. SECOND, I hope this is not what you are trying to convey.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I noticed that SECOND didn't disagree with my re-statement, instead he doubled down on it. If you disagree with SECOND's characterization- that Mueller has to "tell a story" that makes sense to a jury - take it up with him, not me. A lot of bullshit from you, a lot of false personal attacks on me and mis-characterizations (lies) about what I've posted.

But still, no evidence.

WHEN THE EVIDENCE BECOMES FULLY PUBLIC, THEN WE CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT. BUT NOT UNTIL THEN.

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It was around this time that Donald Trump appears to have attracted the attention of Soviet intelligence. How that happened, and where that relationship began, is an answer hidden somewhere in the KGB's secret archives. Assuming, that is, that the documents still exist.

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Trump's first visit to Soviet Moscow in 1987 looks, with hindsight, to be part of a pattern....

When did the KGB open a file on Donald Trump? We don’t know, but Eastern Bloc security service records

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suggest this may have been as early as 1977

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At this point it is unclear how the KGB regarded Trump ...

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In Dubinina’s account she admits her father [Ambassador to Washington] was trying to hook Trump [for what?] ... Dubinin’s other daughter, Irina, said that her late father— he died in 2013—was on a mission as ambassador. This was, she said, to make contact with America’s business elite. For sure, Gorbachev’s Politburo was interested in understanding capitalism. But [let's ignore what the Ambassadors other daughter said, and claim that the] invitation to Trump to visit Moscow looks like a classic cultivation exercise

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Precisely what Putin did while working for the KGB’s First Directorate in Dresden is unknown.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ANOTHER long-winded, fact-less article from SECOND!
Wow, you really like yarn-spinning, don't you SECOND?
But still, NO EVIDENCE.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ANOTHER long-winded, fact-less article from SECOND!
Wow, you really like yarn-spinning, don't you SECOND?
But still, NO EVIDENCE.

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You are so silly, Signym. Do you really need more "evidence" that "pride, arrogance, egoism, and vanity" are Trump's only characteristics?

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I would add SECOND that some of us here called this from day one.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But still, NO EVIDENCE.

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Anyone who thinks someone on this site is going to have The Evidence is pretty foolish. Get real.
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Originally posted by second:
Do you really need more "evidence" that "pride, arrogance, egoism, and vanity" are Trump's only characteristics?

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Originally posted by G:
There has been plenty of evidence for us that he's ... been sucking Putin's d for years.

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Well now. That is taking a few steps backward, for the "let's hope and pretend there is evidence" side. Practically abandoning the premise.- JSF

None us who believe Trump is guilty of being Trump, "hoped" or "pretended." There has been plenty of evidence for us that he's a piece of sh*t- GSTRING

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and has been sucking Putin's d for years.- GSTRING

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Hate to disappoint you *jeanuses* but neither you nor I nor anyone here have the resources and legal power and authority of Mueller, so how would we know what he knows? For such a simple question you don't seem smart enough or honest enough to know the answer.- GSTRING

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You keep saying there's NO EVIDENCE, and I keep asking "How do you know?"- GSTRING

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... you keep dodging the question. - GSTRING

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I see no evidens that the GRU social media soldierz arent getting overtime pay here.- JO

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You keep saying there's NO EVIDENCE, and I keep asking "How do you know?"- GSTRING

I know because none of you have brought it here.- SIGNY

Oiy. I mean this sincerely: I know you are not dumb enough to believe that any of us would have the resources to KNOW what Mueller knows, so please stop making yourself look foolish. It would be great to have an honest debate about Trump - your president - and the horrible things he's doing, wouldn't it? Even any of the good things he's doing if you can find any.- GSTRING

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More gross over statement on your part - you make yourself look desperate when you do this:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Despite the fact that you (you, THUGR, DULL, JO, KRAPO, and SECONDRATE) have been frantically scouring the media for anything that would bolster your claims about the very item that you've all been hounding about ... Trump's "collusion with Russia to win the election" .... Remember? Wasn't that what you all were stressing about not six short months ago? It was all you could post about! ... none of you have been able to find anything.

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Not frantic - what would be the point? None of us can do anything to him if we found The Evidence anyway, so again, silly on your part.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: I've already said that we need for Mueller to come out with whatever evidence he has - I'm assuming he had evidence of SOMEthing, altho it's probably not about "collusion with Russia to win the election". When Mueller comes out with his indictments, then we'll have something to talk about. Until then, it's just rumor, accusation, and hysteria.- SIGNY

It feels to me like you have been the one being hysterical. I can't figure why you care so much when people say bad things about Trump, but there you are, post after post calling us names and pointing fingers and saying NO EVIDENCE!- GSTRING

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I'm objecting to is the constant one-sided focus on Trump.

IF YOU HAD RAISED OBJECTIONS TO THE CLINTON'S UNETHICAL, IF NOT DOWNRIGHT ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR, I'D SAY THAT YOU REALLY WERE INTERESTED IN DRAINING THE SWAMP.

But the reality that that you're either partisan hacks (like SECOND) or deep-state trolls (like THUGR) and nobody would EVER mistake you for objective arbiters of anything.

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Bullshit and subterfuge. I've said I hated Clinton dozens of times since her campaign began. My only words of kindness towards her was that she would be way better than Trump for this country. A fact we see reinforced daily.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Focus, GSTRING, focus. This whole thread is open for any actual EVIDENCE of "collusion" with Russia, and so far ....

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Bullshit and subterfuge. I've said I hated Clinton dozens of times since her campaign began. My only words of kindness towards her was that she would be way better than Trump for this country. A fact we see reinforced daily. - THUGR

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Bullshit and subterfuge. I've said I hated Clinton dozens of times since her campaign began. My only words of kindness towards her was that she would be way better than Trump for this country. A fact we see reinforced daily. - THUGR

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Yes, you have posted this before, But when I asked you for LINKS to your previous statements, you didn't provide any.

Now, the only reason why I'm asking your to quote yourself and provide links is because I recall NO SUCH STATEMENTS from you. Not that I'm calling you a liar, but I sure would like to see some EVIDENCE that you ever posted any such statements.

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Sounds like you work for Trump to me. Can't even remember your own threads or how to find them. It's all there, and you know that.


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Sounds like you work for Trump to me. Can't even remember your own threads or how to find them. It's all there, and you know that.- THUGR

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