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Sunday, March 4, 2018 3:34 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:RUSSIAGATE & UKRAINE: HOW THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION HEIGHTENS THE WAR DANGER THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT It is not exactly a secret that so-called neo-conservatives in the U.S. State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), in conjunction with “left-wing” speculator and City of London operative George Soros, collaborated in the regime change coup in Ukraine in February 2014, which overthrew the democratically-elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Former Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs, the unabashed neocon Victoria Nuland, bragged that the U.S. and related agencies, such as the NED, spent $5 billion to lay the groundwork for the coup. What is not generally known, however, due to the lying coverage in the Transatlantic “Fake News” media, is that included in this unholy alliance of coup plotters were armed militia units made up of neo-Nazis, who were responsible for the bloodshed on Maidan Square in Kiev, and which threatened the ethnic Russians, which constitute the majority of the population in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. The lie that there was no neo-Nazi involvement has been maintained, despite ample evidence to the contrary, including interviews with militants pronouncing admiration for Hitler’s collaborators in the Bandera movement in Ukraine during World War II, when Ukrainian units murdered ethnic Poles, Russians, and other “non-Ukrainians”, including Ukrainian Jews. The armed “Banderistas” and related thugs have been incorporated into the security apparatus of the Kiev regime, and continue to march in the halls of Parliament and on the streets, under banners with pictures of Bandera, the Nazi collaborator, and symbols going back to their alliance with the Nazi SS. The coup provoked a chain of events which the U.S., London and NATO used as justification to impose punitive sanctions against Russia, while demonizing Russia’s President Putin, asserting that the he was engaged in military operations in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, to reverse the coup. Efforts to stop the fighting between the regime’s armed forces and ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine led to the Minsk Accord in 2015, which included a cease fire and the granting of autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk. The Minsk Accord was brokered by France, Germany and Russia. On January 18, 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament ripped up the Minsk Accord, referring to the two republics as “temporarily occupied” by an “aggressor country,” that is, Russia, and vowed to reintegrate them, by military force if necessary. This bill, which received the full support of Ukraine’s President Poroshenko, has been described by the Russian Foreign Ministry as “a preparation for a new war.” It occurs simultaneously with an outburst of war-like propaganda from western neocons, typified by a report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), released on February 20 with the title, “Coping with Surprise in Great Power Conflicts.” The report charges that both Russia and China are preparing for war against the U.S., and that the Russians are deploying forces and artillery to overrun the Baltic states in a lightning strike, to reincorporate them into a new Russian empire! What is also not yet publicly known, but is now coming into focus due to Congressional investigations of the role of British secret agent, Christopher Steele, a “former” MI6 operative, is that the dirty alliance behind the coup, and the subsequent escalation of anti-Russian, war-like hysteria, is the same network running the Russiagate scam as a regime change coup against U.S. President Trump. THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT This background is necessary to understand the vicious hostility behind the targeting of Paul Manafort, a long-time U.S. political operative, by the “amoral legal assassin”, special counsel Robert Mueller. Manafort, who served as Donald Trump’s campaign manager at a key moment in his fight to secure the Republican nomination, from May to August 2016, was indicted by Mueller on October 27, 2017, charged with numerous counts of money laundering, tax fraud, not registering as an agent of a foreign government, and of making false statements to the FBI. Mueller filed a revised indictment on February 28, 2018, following his “turning” of Manafort’s partner Rick Gates, who filed a guilty plea to a single count on February 22. While awaiting trial in September, Manafort is confined to house arrest. None of the charges against Manafort are related to the initial mandate given to Mueller, by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, to investigate the allegations of Russian hacking and sundry meddling in the 2016 election, and whether Donald Trump had “colluded” with the Russians. However, they are directly related to the geopolitical manipulations against Russia, which have been sharply criticized by Trump, both as a candidate and as President. Manafort was first placed under surveillance following a FISA Court order in 2014. FISA, the super-secret court set up as part of the post-9/11 apparat to spy on potential terrorists, granted the surveillance order as part of an investigation into alleged illegal lobbying on behalf of the Yanukovych government of Ukraine by Manafort and others. Note that the timing of the court order coincided with the 2014 coup in Ukraine. Manafort had been working for several years as an adviser to the Party of the Regions, which was the party of President Yanukovych, who was overthrown by the regime change coup. The original FISA warrant targeting Manafort was subsequently not renewed, for lack of evidence. A second order, however, was approved by the FISA Court for surveillance of Manafort sometime during 2016 — the exact date of the order has not been released — likely around the time Manafort took over the reins of the Trump campaign. Manafort played a key role in holding the Trump coalition together heading into the Republican convention July 18-21, as Bush-directed “Never-Trumpers” were attempting to steal the nomination away from him. Prior to the convention, Manafort was involved in the successful fight to remove language from the party’s platform which called for providing lethal weapons to the Poroshenko government, allegedly to fight against “Russian subversion.” Manafort had the backing of Trump for this, as Trump had campaigned for an end to U.S. support for regime change wars, such as the Obama-neocon coup in Ukraine. Democratic Senator Ben Cardin, a leading campaigner for tougher sanctions against Russia — he was one of the authors of the initial anti-Russia sanctions, in the Magnitsky Act — accused Trump and Manafort of changing the platform to benefit Russia, which he accused of robbing Ukraine of sovereignty! It is now reported that Manafort’s role in changing the language in the platform is “under investigation” by Mueller! (Manafort was also instrumental in including a plank supporting restoration of Glass Steagall banking separation, something vehemently opposed by Wall Street and the City of London financial institutions.) It was during this same time period, June and July, once it was evident that, barring some unforeseen event, Trump would be the Republican nominee, that the anti-Trump activities of the “Deep State” went into high gear. While the “Never Trumpers” were unsuccessfully plotting to prevent his nomination at the convention, Christopher Steele began churning out memos, paid for by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, which included wild claims about Putin’s secret service filming Trump in compromising sexual activity during the 2013 Miss Universe contest in Moscow. His first memo was written on June 20, 2016, and he met for the first time with an FBI official on July 5, 2016. It was also in June that CIA Director John Brennan was briefed by GCHQ Director Hannigan, on “evidence” compiled by his agency, of “suspicious” activity they had picked up on Russian activity with Trump. GCHQ is Britain’s cyber security intelligence agency, which works directly with MI5 and MI6. Brennan then pulled together an inter-agency task force to investigate the British charges of Russian activity. Among those in the FBI unit which was part of this task force were the now-famous duo, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, whose extensive text messaging shows that they were engaged in creating the fake narrative of “Russian meddling and Trump collusion”. One text spoke of developing the Russiagate narrative to either defeat Trump in November, or provide an “insurance policy” against him, if he won. This incriminating text describes the meeting as taking place in “Andy’s office”, a reference to the now-fired Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, who told a Congressional hearing that there would have been no surveillance warrant issued by the FISA court in October 2016 against Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page, had it not been for the Steele dossier. Nunes has sent a list of ten questions regarding how the Steele’s dossier shaped the anti-Trump mobilization of Obama’s intelligence agencies. Among those receiving the list of ten questions are James Comey, the former FBI director fired by Trump, Obama’s Director of National Intelligence Clapper, Brennan and Victoria Nuland. They are given until March 2 to answer, or they will face subpoenas. What Nunes is looking for is answers as to when the Steele dossier was brought to their attention, by whom, what actions were taken in response to it, its role in the submission to the FISA Court, and whether President Obama was briefed on what the dossier contained. They lay the basis for possible indictments against those receiving the questions, and for Steele. Senators Grassley and Graham have already stated they believe charges should be filed against Steele, who has thus far been protected by Her Majesty’s government, which has acted to prevent Steele from being brought before a court of law. STEELE AND THE UKRAINIAN CONNECTION But Steele’s role in shaping U.S. policy predates the setting up of the Get Trump task force. Both Nunes and Grassley are investigating Steele’s connections with the U.S. State Department, including with the notorious Nuland. They are looking into the role of Jonathan Winer, a former assistant Secretary of State who served as a long-time aide to former Secretary of State John Kerry. Winer befriended Steele in 2009, when they were collaborating on investigations of Russian “corruption”. Beginning in 2013, Steele drafted more than 100 memos on Ukraine and Russia, and passed these on to Winer, who was then a special assistant to Kerry on Libya, which had been destroyed in a Clinton-Obama regime change operation. Winer admitted, in an oped in the Washington Post on February 8, 2018, that he passed these on to Victoria Nuland, who asked that he continue to bring them to her. Note that these were written at the time of, and the immediate aftermath of the coup in Ukraine. The Washington Post Deep State conduit, James Rosen, wrote that Nuland found these reports “informative and sometimes helpful”, and asked Winer to keep them coming. When asked about the Steele memos on Ukraine in an interview with CBS on February 4 — four days before Winer’s oped was published — Nuland lied, denying that she had used the Steele memos. But the Steele-Winer connection continued. In September 2016, Winer met with Steele, who presented to Winer his anti-Trump dossier. Winer drafted a two-page summary of the dossier, which he gave to Nuland. She told him to present this to Kerry. Later in the month, Winer met with Hillary Clinton confidante Sidney Blumenthal, who showed him another specious anti-Trump dossier, compiled by Clinton operative Cody Shearer. Winer then shared this who Steele, who then claimed it confirmed the charges he made in his dossier, though coming from different “sources.” Nunes and Grassley are both investigating the Steele-Winer-Nuland connection to see what this means as far as Obama administration direct involvement in running the Russiagate coup. Among those calling for a full criminal investigation into Brennan, Clapper, Comey and Hillary Clinton, which would reach Obama as well, is former Washington, D.C. U.S. Attorney Joseph DiGenova, who said it’s very likely they could all be indicted. YET BRITISH HITMAN MUELLER PROCEEDS! As evidence piles up that the real collusion in the 2016 election was between British intelligence, the Clinton campaign, and Obama’s intelligence team, Robert Mueller keeps going, indicting bit players on charges that have nothing to do with his mandate. Among the more ridiculous set of indictments was that against a Russian “troll farm”, which will never be contested in court. However, it gave the media more ammunition to use against Trump. (See last week’s NS for details.) The new indictments against Manafort come from squeezing his former partner, Rick Gates. Using a prosecutor’s set of tools, Mueller went after Gates on his weak flank, the threat to him and his family of bankruptcy, were he to fight the charges. In entering his guilty plea, Gates told the court, “Despite my initial desire to vigorously defend myself, I have had a change of heart. The reality of how long this legal process will likely take, the cost, and the circus-like atmosphere of an anticipated trial are too much. I will better serve my family moving forward by exiting this process.” On the new charges against Manafort on money laundering, a well-informed insider said he’s astonished at the lengths to which Mueller is going. He noted the irony that, when Mueller and Comey were FBI Directors, they never made a criminal case against leading banks which engaged in billions of dollars in money laundering, much of it proceeds from drug and arms-trafficking. One of the banks given a repeated pass was the notorious HSBC, which while being fined repeatedly for money laundering, never faced criminal prosecution. Among those arguing against criminal charges was the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, who said a criminal proceeding against a “systemically important” bank, such as HSBC, would risk “global financial disaster.” Obama’s Attorney General Holder shared this view, as he refused to file any criminal charges against “Too Big to Fail” banks. Until his appointment by Obama as Director of the FBI, James Comey served on the Board of Directors of HSBC! From this review of the significance of Ukraine in the whole Russiagate process, it becomes clear that the perversion of justice it represents is surpassed only by the danger which flows from the anti-Russia theme it serves. Unless there is an intervention to shut down this witch hunt, as there was to end the hysterical red-baiting charges of the infamous Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, the threshold for a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia is being dramatically reduced. It was Trump’s campaign pledge to cooperate with Russia, rather than prepare for war, which is the reason for the Russiagate fraud. With the Ukraine tensions heightened by recent developments, full exposure of Steele’s dirty role, and that of his collaborators, has become an essential component of a war-avoidance strategy. https://stonecoldtruth.com/russiagate-ukraine-how-the-mueller-investigation-heightens-the-war-danger/
Quote:RUSSIAGATE & UKRAINE: HOW THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION HEIGHTENS THE WAR DANGER THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT It is not exactly a secret that so-called neo-conservatives in the U.S. State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), in conjunction with “left-wing” speculator and City of London operative George Soros, collaborated in the regime change coup in Ukraine in February 2014, which overthrew the democratically-elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Former Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasian Affairs, the unabashed neocon Victoria Nuland, bragged that the U.S. and related agencies, such as the NED, spent $5 billion to lay the groundwork for the coup. What is not generally known, however, due to the lying coverage in the Transatlantic “Fake News” media, is that included in this unholy alliance of coup plotters were armed militia units made up of neo-Nazis, who were responsible for the bloodshed on Maidan Square in Kiev, and which threatened the ethnic Russians, which constitute the majority of the population in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. The lie that there was no neo-Nazi involvement has been maintained, despite ample evidence to the contrary, including interviews with militants pronouncing admiration for Hitler’s collaborators in the Bandera movement in Ukraine during World War II, when Ukrainian units murdered ethnic Poles, Russians, and other “non-Ukrainians”, including Ukrainian Jews. The armed “Banderistas” and related thugs have been incorporated into the security apparatus of the Kiev regime, and continue to march in the halls of Parliament and on the streets, under banners with pictures of Bandera, the Nazi collaborator, and symbols going back to their alliance with the Nazi SS. The coup provoked a chain of events which the U.S., London and NATO used as justification to impose punitive sanctions against Russia, while demonizing Russia’s President Putin, asserting that the he was engaged in military operations in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, to reverse the coup. Efforts to stop the fighting between the regime’s armed forces and ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine led to the Minsk Accord in 2015, which included a cease fire and the granting of autonomy for Donetsk and Luhansk. The Minsk Accord was brokered by France, Germany and Russia. On January 18, 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament ripped up the Minsk Accord, referring to the two republics as “temporarily occupied” by an “aggressor country,” that is, Russia, and vowed to reintegrate them, by military force if necessary. This bill, which received the full support of Ukraine’s President Poroshenko, has been described by the Russian Foreign Ministry as “a preparation for a new war.” It occurs simultaneously with an outburst of war-like propaganda from western neocons, typified by a report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), released on February 20 with the title, “Coping with Surprise in Great Power Conflicts.” The report charges that both Russia and China are preparing for war against the U.S., and that the Russians are deploying forces and artillery to overrun the Baltic states in a lightning strike, to reincorporate them into a new Russian empire! What is also not yet publicly known, but is now coming into focus due to Congressional investigations of the role of British secret agent, Christopher Steele, a “former” MI6 operative, is that the dirty alliance behind the coup, and the subsequent escalation of anti-Russian, war-like hysteria, is the same network running the Russiagate scam as a regime change coup against U.S. President Trump. THE CASE OF PAUL MANAFORT This background is necessary to understand the vicious hostility behind the targeting of Paul Manafort, a long-time U.S. political operative, by the “amoral legal assassin”, special counsel Robert Mueller. Manafort, who served as Donald Trump’s campaign manager at a key moment in his fight to secure the Republican nomination, from May to August 2016, was indicted by Mueller on October 27, 2017, charged with numerous counts of money laundering, tax fraud, not registering as an agent of a foreign government, and of making false statements to the FBI. Mueller filed a revised indictment on February 28, 2018, following his “turning” of Manafort’s partner Rick Gates, who filed a guilty plea to a single count on February 22. While awaiting trial in September, Manafort is confined to house arrest. None of the charges against Manafort are related to the initial mandate given to Mueller, by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, to investigate the allegations of Russian hacking and sundry meddling in the 2016 election, and whether Donald Trump had “colluded” with the Russians. However, they are directly related to the geopolitical manipulations against Russia, which have been sharply criticized by Trump, both as a candidate and as President. Manafort was first placed under surveillance following a FISA Court order in 2014. FISA, the super-secret court set up as part of the post-9/11 apparat to spy on potential terrorists, granted the surveillance order as part of an investigation into alleged illegal lobbying on behalf of the Yanukovych government of Ukraine by Manafort and others. Note that the timing of the court order coincided with the 2014 coup in Ukraine. Manafort had been working for several years as an adviser to the Party of the Regions, which was the party of President Yanukovych, who was overthrown by the regime change coup. The original FISA warrant targeting Manafort was subsequently not renewed, for lack of evidence. A second order, however, was approved by the FISA Court for surveillance of Manafort sometime during 2016 — the exact date of the order has not been released — likely around the time Manafort took over the reins of the Trump campaign. Manafort played a key role in holding the Trump coalition together heading into the Republican convention July 18-21, as Bush-directed “Never-Trumpers” were attempting to steal the nomination away from him. Prior to the convention, Manafort was involved in the successful fight to remove language from the party’s platform which called for providing lethal weapons to the Poroshenko government, allegedly to fight against “Russian subversion.” Manafort had the backing of Trump for this, as Trump had campaigned for an end to U.S. support for regime change wars, such as the Obama-neocon coup in Ukraine. Democratic Senator Ben Cardin, a leading campaigner for tougher sanctions against Russia — he was one of the authors of the initial anti-Russia sanctions, in the Magnitsky Act — accused Trump and Manafort of changing the platform to benefit Russia, which he accused of robbing Ukraine of sovereignty! It is now reported that Manafort’s role in changing the language in the platform is “under investigation” by Mueller! (Manafort was also instrumental in including a plank supporting restoration of Glass Steagall banking separation, something vehemently opposed by Wall Street and the City of London financial institutions.) It was during this same time period, June and July, once it was evident that, barring some unforeseen event, Trump would be the Republican nominee, that the anti-Trump activities of the “Deep State” went into high gear. While the “Never Trumpers” were unsuccessfully plotting to prevent his nomination at the convention, Christopher Steele began churning out memos, paid for by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, which included wild claims about Putin’s secret service filming Trump in compromising sexual activity during the 2013 Miss Universe contest in Moscow. His first memo was written on June 20, 2016, and he met for the first time with an FBI official on July 5, 2016. It was also in June that CIA Director John Brennan was briefed by GCHQ Director Hannigan, on “evidence” compiled by his agency, of “suspicious” activity they had picked up on Russian activity with Trump. GCHQ is Britain’s cyber security intelligence agency, which works directly with MI5 and MI6. Brennan then pulled together an inter-agency task force to investigate the British charges of Russian activity. Among those in the FBI unit which was part of this task force were the now-famous duo, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, whose extensive text messaging shows that they were engaged in creating the fake narrative of “Russian meddling and Trump collusion”. One text spoke of developing the Russiagate narrative to either defeat Trump in November, or provide an “insurance policy” against him, if he won. This incriminating text describes the meeting as taking place in “Andy’s office”, a reference to the now-fired Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, who told a Congressional hearing that there would have been no surveillance warrant issued by the FISA court in October 2016 against Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page, had it not been for the Steele dossier. Nunes has sent a list of ten questions regarding how the Steele’s dossier shaped the anti-Trump mobilization of Obama’s intelligence agencies. Among those receiving the list of ten questions are James Comey, the former FBI director fired by Trump, Obama’s Director of National Intelligence Clapper, Brennan and Victoria Nuland. They are given until March 2 to answer, or they will face subpoenas. What Nunes is looking for is answers as to when the Steele dossier was brought to their attention, by whom, what actions were taken in response to it, its role in the submission to the FISA Court, and whether President Obama was briefed on what the dossier contained. They lay the basis for possible indictments against those receiving the questions, and for Steele. Senators Grassley and Graham have already stated they believe charges should be filed against Steele, who has thus far been protected by Her Majesty’s government, which has acted to prevent Steele from being brought before a court of law. STEELE AND THE UKRAINIAN CONNECTION But Steele’s role in shaping U.S. policy predates the setting up of the Get Trump task force. Both Nunes and Grassley are investigating Steele’s connections with the U.S. State Department, including with the notorious Nuland. They are looking into the role of Jonathan Winer, a former assistant Secretary of State who served as a long-time aide to former Secretary of State John Kerry. Winer befriended Steele in 2009, when they were collaborating on investigations of Russian “corruption”. Beginning in 2013, Steele drafted more than 100 memos on Ukraine and Russia, and passed these on to Winer, who was then a special assistant to Kerry on Libya, which had been destroyed in a Clinton-Obama regime change operation. Winer admitted, in an oped in the Washington Post on February 8, 2018, that he passed these on to Victoria Nuland, who asked that he continue to bring them to her. Note that these were written at the time of, and the immediate aftermath of the coup in Ukraine. The Washington Post Deep State conduit, James Rosen, wrote that Nuland found these reports “informative and sometimes helpful”, and asked Winer to keep them coming. When asked about the Steele memos on Ukraine in an interview with CBS on February 4 — four days before Winer’s oped was published — Nuland lied, denying that she had used the Steele memos. But the Steele-Winer connection continued. In September 2016, Winer met with Steele, who presented to Winer his anti-Trump dossier. Winer drafted a two-page summary of the dossier, which he gave to Nuland. She told him to present this to Kerry. Later in the month, Winer met with Hillary Clinton confidante Sidney Blumenthal, who showed him another specious anti-Trump dossier, compiled by Clinton operative Cody Shearer. Winer then shared this who Steele, who then claimed it confirmed the charges he made in his dossier, though coming from different “sources.” Nunes and Grassley are both investigating the Steele-Winer-Nuland connection to see what this means as far as Obama administration direct involvement in running the Russiagate coup. Among those calling for a full criminal investigation into Brennan, Clapper, Comey and Hillary Clinton, which would reach Obama as well, is former Washington, D.C. U.S. Attorney Joseph DiGenova, who said it’s very likely they could all be indicted. YET BRITISH HITMAN MUELLER PROCEEDS! As evidence piles up that the real collusion in the 2016 election was between British intelligence, the Clinton campaign, and Obama’s intelligence team, Robert Mueller keeps going, indicting bit players on charges that have nothing to do with his mandate. Among the more ridiculous set of indictments was that against a Russian “troll farm”, which will never be contested in court. However, it gave the media more ammunition to use against Trump. (See last week’s NS for details.) The new indictments against Manafort come from squeezing his former partner, Rick Gates. Using a prosecutor’s set of tools, Mueller went after Gates on his weak flank, the threat to him and his family of bankruptcy, were he to fight the charges. In entering his guilty plea, Gates told the court, “Despite my initial desire to vigorously defend myself, I have had a change of heart. The reality of how long this legal process will likely take, the cost, and the circus-like atmosphere of an anticipated trial are too much. I will better serve my family moving forward by exiting this process.” On the new charges against Manafort on money laundering, a well-informed insider said he’s astonished at the lengths to which Mueller is going. He noted the irony that, when Mueller and Comey were FBI Directors, they never made a criminal case against leading banks which engaged in billions of dollars in money laundering, much of it proceeds from drug and arms-trafficking. One of the banks given a repeated pass was the notorious HSBC, which while being fined repeatedly for money laundering, never faced criminal prosecution. Among those arguing against criminal charges was the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, who said a criminal proceeding against a “systemically important” bank, such as HSBC, would risk “global financial disaster.” Obama’s Attorney General Holder shared this view, as he refused to file any criminal charges against “Too Big to Fail” banks. Until his appointment by Obama as Director of the FBI, James Comey served on the Board of Directors of HSBC! From this review of the significance of Ukraine in the whole Russiagate process, it becomes clear that the perversion of justice it represents is surpassed only by the danger which flows from the anti-Russia theme it serves. Unless there is an intervention to shut down this witch hunt, as there was to end the hysterical red-baiting charges of the infamous Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, the threshold for a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia is being dramatically reduced. It was Trump’s campaign pledge to cooperate with Russia, rather than prepare for war, which is the reason for the Russiagate fraud. With the Ukraine tensions heightened by recent developments, full exposure of Steele’s dirty role, and that of his collaborators, has become an essential component of a war-avoidance strategy.
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Sunday, March 4, 2018 4:06 PM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Let's hear it for censorship! And while we're at it, mass surveillance, and propaganda.
Sunday, March 4, 2018 4:13 PM
Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:51 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, March 4, 2018 9:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, March 5, 2018 7:18 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:The lobby firm created by both Tony and John Podesta in 1988 receives $140,000 a month from the Saudi government, a government that beheads nonviolent dissidents, uses torture to extract forced confessions, doesn’t allow women to drive, and bombs schools, hospitals and residential neighborhoods in neighboring Yemen.
Monday, March 5, 2018 8:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Awwwww.... that's nice. Putin went to visit Boris and Natasha. Do Right, Be Right. :) Nope, it the other way around. That's a US jail. T
Monday, March 5, 2018 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia.
Monday, March 5, 2018 10:35 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you?
Monday, March 5, 2018 10:55 AM
Monday, March 5, 2018 12:43 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no? Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.
Quote:I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person.
Quote:She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean.
Quote:In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election.
Quote:The Free Beacon said its research ended before Fusion GPS hired a former British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, to produce a series of reports alleging links between Russia and those close to Trump. That occurred after the firm was retained by a lawyer for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee. “None of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,’’ said the statement from Free Beacon editor in chief Matthew Continetti and chairman Michael Goldfarb. “We stand by our reporting and we do not apologize for our methods."’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/conservative-website-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.d7fbf5f6cdc5
Quote:He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person.
Monday, March 5, 2018 1:51 PM
Quote: And yet .... in all of the falderal from the Mueller "investigation", there is not one thing about collusion ... or anything like it ... between Trump and Russia. - SIGNY And yet neither you nor JSF, Kiki, etc can answer how you could possibly know what Mueller knows. Did you see Papadopoulos coming? No? Any of the indictments other than Manafort? Agaiun, no? - GSTRING
Quote:Until you can answer "how you know" we'll know that you're just blowing smoke.
Quote:... all he wants, but there is one person who really knows the truth, and that is Julian Assange. Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? Is it because Assange won't give him the answer that he's looking for? - SIGNY "One person?" I suspect that this is much, much, much bigger than one person. If you've done any of the reading about Trump's Russian connections/escapades you'd know there are many involved. How many were there at Trump Tower yappin' with Don Jr. alone? Just one?- GSTRING
Quote:"Why doesn't Mueller grant Assange immunity in exchange for testimony? " - SIGNYM Because he doesn't have to?- GSTRING
Quote:Trying to collect "dirt" on Hillary from Russians? The Hillary campaign itself did the same thing. Worse, they actually PAID FOR "dirt" on Trump from nameless Russians.- SIGNY She paid for dirt after the RNC paid for dirt you mean. Thing is that's not illegal - what is is colluding/working with a foreign adversary to influence/hack our elections. See the difference?- GSTRING
Quote:Yanno, I thought Mueller's "remit" was to investigate Trump-Russian "collusion" .... or whatever quid-pro-quo might have affected the campaign's final outcome. So far, all I've seen are "process crimes" and indictments on things that are entirely unrelated to the election or to Trump. This reminds me of the Ken Starr investigation, which began with Whitewater and ended with a stained blue dress. In your eagerness to "get" Trump, you're easily derailed from the main thrust of the argument, aren't you? - SIGNY I'm eager for the truth to come out, plain and simple. He's proven to be a lying sack of sh*t, so him saying he didn't collude over and over is close to an admission of guilt from that... person. BUT I'd rather see it from Mueller. You can wait can't you?
Monday, March 5, 2018 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT RUSSIA.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You OTOH seem be dead certain, on the basis of nothing at all, that Mueller will find SOME sort of collusion between the Trump campaign and RUSSIA!!!!
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, if Mueller really wants to know THE TRUTH ... or at least talk to the people who DO know the truth ... then maybe they should do just that, instead of speculating, insinuating, and fabricating an alternate version of reality.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, by the same logic, efforts by Trump campaign to collect "dirt" on Hillary are ALSO not "illegal", and in fact of lesser importance because no information was gathered and no return favors were exchanged.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I have a ?? for you, GSTRING. You, THUGR, JOIDIOT, and TWITCHY have this idee fixe (it's a psychological disorder, you should look up the term)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ...that Trump "somehow" "colluded" with Russia to influence the election. Or that Trump was 'somehow" "blackmailed" into "colluding" with Russia. So, there is usually some sort of "quid pro quo" involved ... "I'll do (this) if you (help me win the election/ don't expose my dirty secrets)" What do you suppose "this" is? Normalize relations? Block sanctions? Cooperate in the fight on terrorism? Sink the military by failing to fund it? All of these issues were part of the Trump platform. YOU knew what Trump wanted to do with/ about Russia before the election, and so did a lot of other voters. There was no secret about Trump's intended policy, nothing "sprung" on the American people from some deep dark place. And people voted for him anyway. So where's the 'collusion'?
Monday, March 5, 2018 3:33 PM
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Monday, March 5, 2018 6:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: MSM News said today the Shifty Schiff Spindoctor Memo was released. Anybody seen a copy?Perhaps this is a huge nothing burger, based on the lack of interest following it's release.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: MSM News said today the Shifty Schiff Spindoctor Memo was released. Anybody seen a copy?
Monday, March 5, 2018 6:48 PM
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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Flynn admitted in his plea that he lied to the FBI about several December conversations with Kislyak." The National Security Advisor of the incoming Trump administration talked with the Russian Ambassador. HORRORS! And also - not a crime, and not collusion. Just an administration performing normal international relations.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. No collusion has, to this date, been revealed (except perhaps Hillary's). Those are the facts. So let's just agree to the facts and move on. Or do you have a problem agreeing to facts, "G"?
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Also, in January 2017 Comey went to the White House and stated to Trump...
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 2:40 PM
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 4:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Actually, it's right there in your own post, Kiki: "he lied to the FBI" that IS a crime.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 4:35 PM
Quote: Originally posted by captaincrunch: "Facts?" you mean like whenever you or JSF or anyone else said, "there's no evidence! There's no collusion!" we knew that you were just talking sh*t? I definitely agree with that fact.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 7:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges. Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians. This means what? It means he was colluding and conspiring with the Russians. He is now working with Mueller exposing others who were part of the campaign who colluded and conspired with russia. You just can't seem to get the facts right. Keep your shirt on, it's coming. I've never seen someone so anxious to see themselves proven wrong as you just have. Shit, how many times is that today? Let's see, how many times have you posted? T
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So - to be ABUNDANTLY CLEAR - no one has been indicted on, or plead guilty to, any collusion charges.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians." Actually - no. He plead guilty to making false statements. Thre was nothing culpable in his actions.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:21 PM
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that. And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'. Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him.
Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:31 PM
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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that. And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'. Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him. So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: He wasn't indicted for meeting with the Russians. In all your spin, remember that. And what that MEANS is that no one has plead guilty to, or been indicted for, 'collusion'. Also, note that at the time Papadopoulos wasn't either a member of the campaign, or a member of the interim administration. He was acting, on his own, as a private citizen. Which means he had no official connection to the Trump team, and the team had no capacity to stop him. So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:44 AM
Quote:Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians.- THUGR
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I guess you failed logic 101. Or was it ethics 101?
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: No collusion has, to this date, been revealed.
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:32 AM
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information. I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other.
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying about colluding and conspiring with the Russians.- THUGR Wow. speaking of people desperate to hold onto an idea! So, what DID George plead guilty to? THUGR, be a good fellow and go find that plea for us, will you? Since you seem to be so convinced you know what it says ....
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:56 AM
Quote: He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?- THUGR
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: He plead guilty to lying about his meeting with the Russians during the campaign comrade. So, I'll ask you comrade, why did he lie about that? What do you suppose he was doing meeting with the Russians during the campaign?- THUGR Because idiots like you and Rachel Madcow would make an endless big deal about nothing, which is just what you're doing???
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:06 AM
Quote: Hillary's campaign people had "conversations" with Russians too. And THOSE Russians actually provided "dirt" on Trump, which was used to not only obtain a fraudulent FISA warrant but also to besmirch the President with false allegations. Is anyone investigating HER? I know I got to this point with GSTRING before, in some thread, and he asked me if I saw the difference between the Trump campaign and the Hillary campaign, and I said "no" except that her campaign's "contacts" with Russians were more important because they resulted in an actual exchange of information. I don't know where that conversation is, but maybe GSTRING can explain what the essential difference is between one and the other. - SIGNY I'd be happy to SIGHOLE: The Russian government (not just a few Russian sources) worked to influence the election in favor of Trump, with evidence that Trump's campaign was a willing, active partner in this crime/act of Treason (I believe).- GSTRING
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:09 AM
Quote:-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them. -THGUR
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:-No, he lied because he should not have been doing what he was doing. And he knew it. He knew he was not supposed to work with the Russians to get trump elected. So he lied about meeting with them. -THGUR Apparently, just like GSTRING, you claim not only to know the content of (private) conversations, you ALSO claim to know someone's motivations??? Yeah, right. [/snicker] This reminds me that you CLAIM to know that I'm a "Russian troll", and you are so absolutleyfucking100%wrong about THAT that it throws all of your other claims into doubt. Seriously, dude, you need a mental tuneup. And I look forward to the day when I can take you to court, and then post about it here.
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