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40 out of 15,000 isn't a bad number by any means. Should probably wait for more details about the "why" before anybody goes making any rush judgements and starts calling everybody racists.

Those 40 make up .0026% of the amount of people who went into the program since it was enacted by the GWB admin, according to your article.

I can think of about 1,000 reasons why 40 of 15,000 people might be discharged from the armed services, and none of them have anything to do with race or nationality is all I'm saying.

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Of course that number is very low percent wise, and I included that part of the article specifically so there are no accusations of hyperbole. The questions any curious person should be asking - especially in this current anti-immagrant climate - is why now? Why not before? Why is this suddenly important? Is this another trial balloon? You don't mess with the Military without seeing what The Base's response is going to be.

There are reductions being made to all forms of immigration, legal and illegal, and now we're even seeing attempts to de-naturalize immigrants. That's f*cked up. Unless maybe that warms your heart?

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There are reductions being made to all forms of immigration, legal and illegal

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Why should e not reduce immigration? Make you best case for open borders and let's talk.

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THE NEW NORMAL?
Despite the claims that this is business as usual, an indication of the changed tactics came earlier in the week when Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly testified before Congress. He told lawmakers immigration agents expressed frustration about that they were not fully allowed to enforce immigration laws under the Obama administration. He predicted Trump’s directives would end that frustration.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The reason why I answered your post, Shiny, even though you posted RIGHT AFTER my post which contained in black and skyblue exactly what you were demanding is this:

I've been trying to point out that just because one "side" is bad doesn't make the other "side" good, or even marginally better. I think a lot of you are stuck in thinking of this as a matter of 'teams', where there are only two in a game, and one side wins and the other side loses. But this isn't televised sports with all the glitz and commercialized team spirit. It's a quieter and more complex reality. We need to solve problems, not pick teams.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trump reportedly treats Putin like a 'confidant' and the 2 men commiserate about how the 'fake news' and 'deep state' are against them
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-putin-confidant-nato-helsinki-sum
mit-2018-7?utm_source=reddit.com

Yeah, poor Blumpy and Pooty.

Pooty's playing Blumpy like a murderous dictator who's a former KGB head, and the very embodiment of the "deep state," manipulating a mindless man-child. Oh, wait. That's exactly what's happening.

Blumpy's oblivious to the fact that he's an actual idiot. Pooty's IQ is about 3x what Blumpy's addled brain can do. Pooty will get everything he wants from the moron, just like Un did.

SCUMBAG! IDIOT! TRAITOR! FAILURE!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"On the one hand, they (meaning the right and presumably the Trump regime) call Obama the Deporter in Chief, yet are screaming bloody murder
because they can't arrest people. That's why I say, which is it? You can't be both a major deporter and withhold the agents from arresting people."

Uhhh ... why not? You can kep them from arresting (and deporting) SOME people, but arrest (and deport) a lot more of others.

The numbers tell the story. In one year alone, Obama deported 406,000 people. That's far more than Trump.

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Then, as I have stated, why are people, such as yourself, making a big to-do about Obama deporting people.
Isn't that what people want?

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That's why I'm calling "hypocrites" to those fussing over this issue.

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Secondly, my issue with the fucking Trump regime is the cruel and abhorrent
treatment of the kids - locking them in jails, never bathing or feeding
them properly, having them sleep on cold concrete floors, improper health
and medical treatment, etc. They also have contracted military-run companies
to care for these children; people that haven't a clue as to how to care
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Then, as I have stated, why are people, such as yourself, making a big to-do about Obama deporting people.
Isn't that what people want?

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I can't speak for 'people' but I can speak for myself. I'm not sure where you got the idea *I* advocate for deporting anyone. I don't think I've made a case one way or the other, only that Trump - and Obama - are within what is legally allowed.
My point is that people need to take stock of where they are ON THE ISSUE, no mater who is in the WH. Do you think that Trump is evil for deporting people? Then that makes Obama even more evil. Do you think Trump is evil for separating parents and children? Then that makes Obama even more evil. Do you think Trump is evil for handing children over to for-profit contractors? Then that makes Obama even more evil.
For everything Trump has done, Obama has done it as well, but moreso.

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That's why I'm calling "hypocrites" to those fussing over this issue.

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So am I, unless of course they're being consistent ON THE ISSUES, in which case, they're not hypocrites for holding Trump and Obama to different standards.

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Secondly, my issue with the fucking Trump regime is the cruel and abhorrent
treatment of the kids - locking them in jails, never bathing or feeding
them properly, having them sleep on cold concrete floors, improper health
and medical treatment, etc. They also have contracted military-run companies
to care for these children; people that haven't a clue as to how to care
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Well ... Obama did the same thing. The circumstances were different. Trump separated families at the border, while Obama separated families already living here in the US. But if you live in the SoCal area, I'm sure you remember the news stories of children who came home from school and found their parents had completely vanished. That was Obama.

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I do. And I appreciate your reply.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Post of the week.

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Why don't you fix that Democratic party of yours so I don't have to vote for Trump again. You've got 2 more years.

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American Historian specializing in Central/Eastern Europe Timothy Snyder calls it schizo-fascism—- https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/the-great-ru
ssian-disinformation-campaign/564032/
Snyder is ... a passionate champion of endangered democracy in Ukraine and Eastern Europe—and now, the United States. Increasingly, he sees his concerns fusing into one great narrative ...

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Perhaps this campaign might have been defeated by strong responses by Western governments and truthful reporting by Western media.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Why don't you fix that Democratic party of yours so I don't have to vote for Trump again. You've got 2 more years.

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Jayne said in the movie, "What are we hoping that 6ix does or says that equals the worth of a turd?" Nothing. Just want to remind you, 6ix, your value to America. Big business got what it paid for when they bought Trump. But even big business can’t overcome Trump’s love for Vladimir Putin:

A resolution to encourage breast-feeding was expected to be approved quickly and easily by the hundreds of government delegates who gathered this spring in Geneva for the United Nations-affiliated World Health Assembly….Then the United States delegation, embracing the interests of infant formula manufacturers, upended the deliberations.

American officials sought to water down the resolution….When that failed, they turned to threats….Ecuador, which had planned to introduce the measure, was the first to find itself in the cross hairs. The Americans were blunt: If Ecuador refused to drop the resolution, Washington would unleash punishing trade measures and withdraw crucial military aid. The Ecuadorean government quickly acquiesced.

Health advocates scrambled to find another sponsor for the resolution, but at least a dozen countries, most of them poor nations in Africa and Latin America, backed off, citing fears of retaliation, according to officials from Uruguay, Mexico and the United States.

….In the end, the Americans’ efforts were mostly unsuccessful. It was the Russians who ultimately stepped in to introduce the measure — and the Americans did not threaten them.

More at www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/health/world-health-breastfeeding-ecuador-t
rump.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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In Blumpyworld, the interests of infant formula makers are more important than the health of babies.

Unless, of course, Pooty tells you to stop. Then you do what he says. His wishes are paramount to Blumpy.

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In Blumpyworld, the interests of infant formula makers are more important than the health of babies.

Unless, of course, Pooty tells you to stop. Then you do what he says. His wishes are paramount to Blumpy.

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I'd have thought you'd be all on board with infant formula.

It's got everything your vegan pussy diet has.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I see multiple pages of REAVERFAN stomping his feet and banging his fists.

HAHAHAHA!!!!

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Ok, maybe I'm not making this clear. Yes, he deported people, as the LAW required. But, as we seem to agree upon 1 item, policy is determined by the executive branch of government...Yes. Then, as I have stated, why are people, such as yourself, making a big to-do about Obama deporting people. Isn't that what people want?

That's why I'm calling "hypocrites" to those fussing over this issue.

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Secondly, my issue with the fucking Trump regime is the cruel and abhorent treatment of the kids - locking them in jails, never bathing or feeding them properly, having them sleep on cold concrete floors, improper health and medical treatment, etc. They also have contracted military-run companies to care for these children; people that haven't a clue as to how to care for children. I could go on, but you get the idea.

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Now it turns out that the "government" cannot keep the deadline set by the judge to reunite the kids (babies under 5) with their parents. They requested more time, this after the head of HHS testified in Congress that they could match the kids and parents with a few keystrokes on the computer. In other words, THEY LIED.

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Then, as I have stated, why are people, such as yourself, making a big to-do about Obama deporting people.
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I can't speak for 'people' but I can speak for myself. I'm not sure where you got the idea *I* advocate for deporting anyone. I don't think I've made a case one way or the other, only that Trump - and Obama - are within what is legally allowed.
My point is that people need to take stock of where they are ON THE ISSUE, no mater who is in the WH. Do you think that Trump is evil for deporting people? Then that makes Obama even more evil. Do you think Trump is evil for separating parents and children? Then that makes Obama even more evil. Do you think Trump is evil for handing children over to for-profit contractors? Then that makes Obama even more evil.
For everything Trump has done, Obama has done it as well, but moreso.

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So am I, unless of course they're being consistent ON THE ISSUES, in which case, they're not hypocrites for holding Trump and Obama to different standards.

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Secondly, my issue with the fucking Trump regime is the cruel and abhorrent
treatment of the kids - locking them in jails, never bathing or feeding
them properly, having them sleep on cold concrete floors, improper health
and medical treatment, etc. They also have contracted military-run companies
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for children.

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Well ... Obama did the same thing. The circumstances were different. Trump separated families at the border, while Obama separated families already living here in the US. But if you live in the SoCal area, I'm sure you remember the news stories of children who came home from school and found their parents had completely vanished. That was Obama.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
The old "both parties are the same" canard. You guys really are falling apart!

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I'm pretty familiar with the specifics, though it was nice to see them compiled in one place.

The one specific objection I have to the article is that it glosses over how MANY people Obama deported, as if his numbers weren't extraordinary - especially in terms of family separation - in order to focus exclusively on border practices. It misses a big part of the picture. Obama isn't nicer by comparison because his border policies were marginally better; when his deportation practices were far more draconian.

Also, I do wonder about the basic premise of the article. It seems to imply that illegal border crossing is normal, expectable, and allowable as long as the numbers aren't as high as they used to be (at some undefined level). I don't know that I've ever seen a discussion about whether zero illegal border crossing is a worthwhile goal. And if not, why not.

It seems we strive for a law abiding society in other areas: we don't discuss acceptable levels of rapes, murders, muggings, car thefts, and so on. Why should illegal border crossing be different?

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I'm trying to make sense of YOUR posts. If Trump is bad - why is he bad?

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I'm trying to make sense of YOUR posts. If Trump is bad - why is he bad?

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Scroll up. Read some links.

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I'm trying to make sense of YOUR posts. If Trump is bad - why is he bad?

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Incredible, we have two years of discussions in many different threads explaining not only why trump is a bad president, but why he is a nightmare.

Yet kiki says what? Where I come from we call that a runaround. Informal deceitful or evasive behavior.

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YOUR SELECTIVE JUDGMENT IS BIASED. Which makes it pointless. Which is why I read about one sentence, then scroll on down to the next post.

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I'm trying to make sense of YOUR posts. If Trump is bad - why is he bad?

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Scroll up. Read some links.

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SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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