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Report: FBI Will Investigate Claims Kavanaugh Drugged Girls, Participated In Gang Rapes

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/10/report
-fbi-will-investigate-claims-kavanaugh-drugged-girls-participated-in-gang-rapes/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=BRSS&utm_campaign=Nonreligious&utm_content=367

Even if all of this isn't true, he still perjured himself multiple times. He's just not Supreme Court material, and he proved it himself.

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:03 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has tried to keep the Supreme Court above the Partisan Fray. Confirming Kavanaugh would deal “a significant blow to the perceived legitimacy and integrity of the court.”

During a case last year involving gerrymandering, John Roberts said that if the court issued a ruling that favored the Democratic Party, people would ask, “Well, why did the Democrats win?…It must be because the Supreme Court preferred the Democrats over the Republicans.” A partisan reputation, he insisted, “is going to cause very serious harm to the status and integrity of the decisions of this court in the eyes of the country.” Since his appointment as chief justice in 2005, Roberts has also expressed concern that “partisan hostility” during Supreme Court confirmation hearings threatens the court’s integrity.

It was hard not to wonder what he was thinking during Thursday’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing, when the most vocal partisan hostility was coming from the nominee himself, Brett Kavanaugh. John Roberts has done quite a bit to try to lift up the institution as a fair and neutral place to bring claims. Kavanaugh’s partisan outburst during his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee has raised the possibility that Congress will confirm the most openly politically biased Supreme Court justice in modern history. His addition to the court threatens to undermine public confidence in an institution already struggling under criticism that it’s a captured agency, dancing to special-interest tunes.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/10/john-roberts-has-tried-to-keep-th
e-supreme-court-above-the-partisan-fray-kavanaugh-could-undo-all-that/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:06 AM

Feinstein hits back at GOP: I didn’t leak Ford letter
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/409369-feinstein-hits-back-at-gop-
i-didnt-leak-ford-letter

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Simple, politics aside, attempted rape aside, Kavanaugh neither represents someone who tells the truth or has the temperament to warrant a seat on the Supreme Court. How many times he lied I can't say but it's a lot.

T

Do you have examples of these lies?

I'm not going to judge the man on his temperment because of anything that happened in the investigation itself. The extreme Leftists and the MSM have tried to destroy his life in the last few weeks.

There has been no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part, yet there are opinion pieces like this that are saying that he shouldn't be allowed to coach his daughter's basketball team anymore: https://usatodayhss.com/2018/is-brett-kavanaugh-right-that-he-can-no-l
onger-coach-girls-basketball

Yup. You nailed it in your Op-Ed, Mr. Brady. Connect the dots and because somebody was accused of sexual misconduct 30+ years ago with no evidence to support it, he must be a pedophile as well.

THIS type of stuff is why the Leftists will lose and the Moral Panic is about to end. The claims will only continue to get further and further outrageous and on the fringe until the independent voters and the center-left turn their backs on the extreme. We'll continue to see more examples of this happening as the claims progressively get wilder.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:12 AM

Legal Experts: New Text Messages Show Kavanaugh Might Have Tampered with Witness
https://lawandcrime.com/politics/legal-experts-new-text-messages-show-
kavanaugh-might-have-tampered-with-witness/

A spokesman for Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Judiciary Committee Chairman, dismissed the texts as a political ploy by Democrats. George Hartmann said “the texts from Ms. Berchem do not appear relevant or contradictory to Judge Kavanaugh’s testimony.”

You can show irrefutable evidence, and they will just ignore it. I'm only surprised that the spokesman didn't cry fake news.

All The Lies Brett Kavanaugh Told
The Supreme Court nominee fibbed throughout his entire confirmation hearing. Republicans don’t seem to care.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brett-kavanaugh-lies_us_5bb26190e
4b027da00d61fcd

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

JUST SO SHINY sees this ..

*****

Quote:
Quote:
This is dead on socio-political commentary...few see it for what it is, while others need it expalined: It is the Rape/Silencing of Justice, mighty powerful message T.- GUY
Oh GUY, one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

But I see different messages in there ... unintentional ones, but there nonetheless

1) An orchestrated effort to rile people up, and
2) GUILTY!!!
(until proven innocent)

Both subliminal messages are dangerous. I hope you see that.

******

Once upon a time, I had a personality test done at work; it was for us to understand our personalities and approaches in the hope that we would work better together, and one aspect of my personality is that I like to consider ALL possibilities before making a decision. I think that is why I'm one of the people here saying ... Don't rush to judgment ... which it seems MOST people are intent on doing. But IMHO as long as there are equally-possible scenarios which explain events and EVIDENCE doesn't definitively point us in one direction or another then we should withhold judgment until better information comes along. For example there are women who said that Kavanaugh did (or may have) sexually assaulted them, but there are people who were there - pointed out as witnesses or friends by the self-proclaimed victims - who said HUH?? I don't even know you or I don't remember any such thing.

How to account for these accusations - and lack of corroboration?

Well, it DOES seem that there was a lot of drinking going on. That's one thing that people agree on. So it's very possible that these things happened, but unless they happened TO YOU, nobody would notice or remember out of sheer drunkneness. Possibly these events happened but the witnesses were also complicit, or don't want to get tainted/involved, and are backing away from the story.

It's also possible that the victims simply mis-remember; even THEIR memories are fragmentary, and piecing together fragile impressions warps them in some way (See FALSE MEMORY) especially if you combine it with a ideological motivation to put someone's face in the picture as the attacker. Or maybe the self-proclaimed victims are looking to make money or are attention-seeking.

At this point ... especially with the denials/lack of corroboration of the potential witnesses who were supposedly involved ... the evidence is equivocal.

There's ONE thing that I wouldn't rely on, however... people who "talked about" an event but who didn't witness it PERSONALLY. Unless YOU WERE THERE or there was a POLICE REPORT filed, hearsay shouldn't count.

I know how stories can run like wildfire and get completely overblown in the process; seen it happen at work and the inet only makes it worse.

In fact, I have a funny story about that. Maybe later.

******

And now for the funny story.

I did something at work that could have gotten me in hot water. I was talking with a guy, let's call him YYYY, in another department about how rumors can spread with NOTHING behind them because he was saying that with so many rumors about *** that there must be something behind them.

So I bet him that I could start a rumor about HIM. Now, you have to realize that this was one straight-laced guy. He was married, always talked about his family, worked hard at work and was very concerned about doing the job right, did at lot at home (he said), never drank to excess that I saw or heard of, never even swore that I heard (said "gosh" in private conversation when I might have said something stronger), never made a pass at anyone ... And just to add to the straightlaced impression that others had of him, he was Japanese, which many people interpret as being particularly polite and rules-oriented.

He said that if I could start a rumor about him he owed me a beer.

It was INCREDIBLY easy. I just walked up to some of his co-workers over the course of a week, and asked, in a quiet/concerned tone of voice Say, have you heard about YYYY?. And when I got the inevitable No! What?? I would act confused and say Well, I guess if he hasn't told you I better not say and walk away.

Mr YYYY got a little pissed at me because after two weeks he said They think I'm getting divorced. Or going to be a father again. Or getting fired. Or getting promoted. I want you to stop it. (He also wanted to know how I did it.) So I had to go around to his coworkers and explain it was all part of a joke and there was nothing behind it, which killed the rumor pretty quickly.

But I was shocked ... shocked, I tell you! ... how easily and quickly I could start a rumor. And Mr YYYY was also shocked ... and I would say also disappointed, upset, and a tad angry .... that people that he had worked with for EIGHT YEARS or more with unfailing professionalism and courtesy .... could tag him so quickly over literally nothing at all.

GOSSIP! HEARSAY! DON'T BELIEVE IT!

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:55 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I should be saying congratulations to you. Of the 5 regulars of this thread on the left, you're the second one to come at Kavanaugh with legitimate beef instead of moral panic. I'm actually kind of surprised that SGG hasn't abandoned that before you did.

I'm a little surprised at the fact that Second never seemed to buy into it all that much himself. That might not be because he never believed the stories, but he realized that this is a tactic that is not going to work for the Democrats and is going to likely end up doing more harm for them than good.

There's word that there will be an investigation into how this was handled, and how the information was leaked. I'd be more than a little worried about that if I was Feinstein. Unlike a 30+ year old rape investigation that has no corroborating witnesses, this would have happened only a few months back and there will be plenty of electronic evidence of it taking place if it did.

I'm glad Ford is going to get 3/4 of a million dollars at this point. Her family shouldn't have to pay for any security costs either. The Dems in power shamelessly used her and put her in that position. If the investigation shows wrong doing, those involved should be removed from their positions immediately, and the Ford's security costs should be paid for out of their pensions.

The stupid crap you post.

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 12:03 PM

THG

Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

T

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 12:54 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

At this point ... especially with the denials/lack of corroboration of the potential witnesses who were supposedly involved ... the evidence is equivocal.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, why use logic and data? It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans, so nothing you write makes any difference. Republicans don’t care if Kavanaugh is guilty because they don’t think what he did was wrong. He says he didn’t do it; his allies say it’s no big deal if he did.

On its face, his nomination should have died at the end of his testimony. But it didn’t, in part because of blind partisanship, but more importantly because of what was revealed in an NPR/Marist poll taken before he testified: 54 percent of Republicans believe Kavanaugh should be confirmed whether or not he is guilty of the sexual assault allegations against him. That 54% translates into 100% of GOP Senators, perhaps minus one or two for idiosyncratic reasons.

Neither Kavanaugh himself nor the senators on the Judiciary Committee have pressed this argument squarely that they don't care what happened. But it’s pretty clear that a key driver of pro-Kavanaugh sentiment from the grassroots to the White House and, likely, to Kavanaugh himself is simply a conviction that what Ford said he did is not seriously wrong.

Kevin Cramer (R-ND), currently a candidate for US Senate, is one of the few to actually say what conservatives largely seem to think about this: that since Ford got away, it’s essentially a “no harm, no foul” situation. Cramer called the Kavanaugh accusation "absurd" because they were drunk and assault attempt "never went anywhere."

CNN ran a telling segment featuring Republicans who simultaneously maintained that Ford’s accusations were an outrageous smear campaign and that Kavanaugh is merely accused of doing things that every boy does.

More about which movies the GOP got their ideas from at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/2/17915284/kavanaugh-guilty-re
publicans

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 1:02 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Signym, why use logic and data?

Because we're not professional politicians here. We have nothing at stake EXCEPT a discussion; so why not use logic and data?

Quote:
It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans

It is also impossible for Kavanaugh to be not guilty in the eyes of Democrats.

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:11 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Signym, why use logic and data?
Because we're not professional politicians here. We have nothing at stake EXCEPT a discussion; so why not use logic and data?

Quote:
It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans
It is also impossible for Kavanaugh to be not guilty in the eyes of Democrats.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

You are not just a little bit wrong, Signym. I don't see him as guilty of a 35 year old crime. But Kavanaugh did make a decision last week to handle these allegations from day one with angry denials and weird dissembling. Kavanaugh made statements highly hostile toward all Democrats in general, while Chief Justice John Roberts wants his court to be non-partisan. The future Justice Kavanaugh could be making angry denials and weird dissembling about his written Supreme Court opinions when he is accused in the future of being highly partisan instead of highly learned about law.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

T

Don't worry about it brother. I don't bother even reading half of your crap anymore either. I've learned in the last two years that all I have to do is sit back and let time prove you wrong about things. It never fails.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I find the tactics that the Dems are using to delay and obstruct the process quite inventive, considering that they don't have the vote. Aside from the constant shouting from the gallery, the Dems have managed to ...

Demand endless reams of paperwork from Kavanaugh's history in the Bush WH,
Delay allegations of sexual misconduct until VERY late in the process,
Then demand a public hearing,
And then change their stance and demand a "full FBI investigation" as soon as a public hearing was acceded to.

Now, I have no idea whether the allegations are true or false. (But if we were to follow THUGR's stance of letting Clinton's bygones be bygones, I suppose we could let this 30-year old allegation also be lost in the mists of history. Right?)

But I'd be willing to bet SOME dollars that if you were to look into this professor's activities, you'd find her working with Democratic Senators in the past six months or so, working out the timing and tactics for maximum effect.

BRAVO!

I don't know if anybody pointed out in this thread, referencing the above OP, but she has spent her and hole life working as a Democrap Activist, and then spending the past months scrubbing her social media to hide these facts.

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:20 PM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

Don't worry about it brother. I don't bother even reading half of your crap anymore either. I've learned in the last two years that all I have to do is sit back and let time prove you wrong about things. It never fails.

The dummy speaks. As I said, lies and in this case delusion.
T

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Signym, why use logic and data?
Because we're not professional politicians here. We have nothing at stake EXCEPT a discussion; so why not use logic and data?
Quote:
It is impossible for Kavanaugh to be guilty in the eyes of Republicans
It is also impossible for Kavanaugh to be not guilty in the eyes of Democrats.

One thing has provided some clarity to those who weren't paying attention before.

Judge Kavanaugh is certainly guilty of Colluding with the biggest Enemy the Democraps have! He is an ardent follower of, and believer in, The Constitution, and Democraps have no greater Enemy than The Constitution. He is an unabashed Constitutionalist, and for that reason alone had to weather the insidious wrath of Despicable Democraps.

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Reading more than a few lines of what a troll posts is a waste of time. Sig posts books in these threads and I completely ignore them. Some here may remember me breaking down what sig, kiki, Jack and a few others here posted point by point. Not anymore, to much of it is lies and nothing more than trolling. I won't give them the satisfaction of thinking I wasted my time giving what they post consideration.

Don't worry about it brother. I don't bother even reading half of your crap anymore either. I've learned in the last two years that all I have to do is sit back and let time prove you wrong about things. It never fails.

The dummy speaks. As I said, lies and in this case delusion.
T

:)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 2, 2018 11:04 PM

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/more-holes-appear-records-ra
ise-questions-about-fords-double-door-story

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

If liberaloids want to engage in mudslinging, here's some mud...

Quote:
Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-gang-bang-accuser-
savaged-witness-over-penchant-group-sex
And that's not counting the restraining order that her ex-lover had to take out against her, or her lawsuit situation with her former employer. Or the disastrous MSNBC interview which only elicited massive disbelief.

Quote:
Blasey Ford's Kavanaugh Testimony Unravels After Ex-Boyfriend Refutes Key Claims

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/blasey-fords-kavinaugh-testi
mony-unravels-after-ex-boyfriend-refutes-key-claims
She said far too many things in her statement that just don't wash.

Quote:
More Holes Appear As Records Raise Questions About Ford's Double-Door Story

Quote:
NBC "A Co-Conspirator In The Destruction Of Kavanaugh" According To Lindsey Graham

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/nbc-co-conspirator-destructi
on-kavanaugh-according-lindsey-graham
NOTHING that Swetnick alleged could be corroborated by NBC, but they ran the interview anyway? The M$M is its own worst enemy.

Quote:
Kavanaugh Carnival Continues: Exposing Ford's Paper On "Creating Artificial Memories"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-carnival-continues
-exposing-fords-paper-creating-artificial-memories

Quote:
"Hero" Survivors Who Confronted Jeff Flake Work For Soros-Funded Nonprofit
But one thing the progressive press hasn't reported is that the two young women weren't merely concerned citizens speaking truth to power. The reality is that Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher are both professional political activists employed by the Center for Popular Democracy.
And guess who finances the CPD?
That's right...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/hero-survivors-who-confronte
d-jeff-flake-work-soros-funded-nonprofit

Quote:
FBI Interviews Three Kavanaugh Witnesses Who Don't Remember Ford's Mystery Groping Party

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/fbi-interviews-three-kavanau
gh-witnesses-who-dont-remember-fords-mystery-groping

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:16 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If liberaloids want to engage in mudslinging, here's some mud...

Quote:
Kavanaugh "Gang Bang" Accuser Savaged By Ex-Weatherman Over "Penchant For Group Sex"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-gang-bang-accuser-
savaged-witness-over-penchant-group-sex
And that's not counting the restraining order that her ex-lover had to take out against her, or her lawsuit situation with her former employer. Or the disastrous MSNBC interview which only elicited massive disbelief.

Quote:
Blasey Ford's Kavanaugh Testimony Unravels After Ex-Boyfriend Refutes Key Claims

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/blasey-fords-kavinaugh-testi
mony-unravels-after-ex-boyfriend-refutes-key-claims
She said far too many things in her statement that just don't wash.

Quote:
More Holes Appear As Records Raise Questions About Ford's Double-Door Story

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/more-holes-appear-records-ra
ise-questions-about-fords-double-door-story

Quote:
NBC "A Co-Conspirator In The Destruction Of Kavanaugh" According To Lindsey Graham

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/nbc-co-conspirator-destructi
on-kavanaugh-according-lindsey-graham
NOTHING that Swetnick alleged could be corroborated by NBC, but they ran the interview anyway? The M$M is its own worst enemy.

Quote:
Kavanaugh Carnival Continues: Exposing Ford's Paper On "Creating Artificial Memories"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/kavanaugh-carnival-continues
-exposing-fords-paper-creating-artificial-memories

Quote:
"Hero" Survivors Who Confronted Jeff Flake Work For Soros-Funded Nonprofit
But one thing the progressive press hasn't reported is that the two young women weren't merely concerned citizens speaking truth to power. The reality is that Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher are both professional political activists employed by the Center for Popular Democracy.
And guess who finances the CPD?
That's right...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/hero-survivors-who-confronte
d-jeff-flake-work-soros-funded-nonprofit

Quote:
FBI Interviews Three Kavanaugh Witnesses Who Don't Remember Ford's Mystery Groping Party

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/fbi-interviews-three-kavanau
gh-witnesses-who-dont-remember-fords-mystery-groping

Yeah, but what does Zerohedge think?

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:44 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Yeah, but what does Zerohedge think?

The Business Insider thinks Kavanaugh lied under oath to the Senate Justice Committee. Perjury will be ignored by the GOP in the upcoming vote to confirm Kavanaugh because the perjury happened last week, which is ancient history. It might as well be 35 years ago or 350 years ago.

'Loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers': It looks like Brett Kavanaugh's receipts are coming back to haunt him

www.businessinsider.com/brett-kavanaugh-beer-keg-beach-week-drinking-h
abit-2018-10

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:53 AM

Kavanaugh's lies are a matter of record. If he were a Democrat, you'd be shitting yourself with outrage.

But, since he's a fascist, you worship him, and would let him grab your pussy anytime. Character is irrelevant in Putin-Trumpworld.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:00 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Kavanaugh's lies are a matter of record. If he were a Democrat, you'd be shitting yourself with outrage.

I was none too happy with Clarence Thomas either, and as it turned out he wound up being probably the worst Justice, a "Scalia me too" vote, who apparently never thought for himself but took Scalia's word for everything and hardly ever writes original opinions.

Clarence Thomas, a Supreme Court Justice of Few Words, Some Not His Own
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/justice-clarence-thomas-rulings-
studies.html

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:09 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

ZeroHedge thinks that

Quote:
Avenatti Unveils New Accuser Who Saw Kavanaugh "Spike Punch", Abuse Girls

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-03/avenatti-reveals-new-accuser
-who-saw-kavanaugh-spike-punch-abuse-girls

There's on thing I can say about ZH: They're pretty (small "c") catholic* in their headlines. That's what news aggregators do.

*adjective
universal; relating to all men; all-inclusive
comprehensive in interests, tastes, etc; broad-minded; liberal
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/catholic

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 12:57 PM

500+ Law Professors Agree: Kavanaugh's Testimony Was 'Disqualifying For Any Court,' Let Alone Supreme Court
The nominee, a joint letter states, "displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/03/500-law-professors-agree-
kavanaughs-testimony-was-disqualifying-any-court-let-alone

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 7:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I was none too happy with Clarence Thomas either, and as it turned out he wound up being probably the worst Justice, a "Scalia me too" vote, who apparently never thought for himself but took Scalia's word for everything and hardly ever writes original opinions.

Clarence Thomas, a Supreme Court Justice of Few Words, Some Not His Own
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/justice-clarence-thomas-rulings-
studies.html

Are your comments regarding Justice Thomas your own, original? Or merely believed and copied from your linky?

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:13 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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If it turns out that Kavanaugh (a) reached out to potential witnesses weeks ago regarding allegations of misconduct and (b) lied to the Senate about when he first heard about these allegations, then he’s toast. The question, of course, is whether Bercham is telling the truth. Bercham told NBC that the FBI has so far been uninterested in talking to her, but I imagine that’s about to change.

Discover who Bercham is at
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/10/did-brett-kavanaugh-lie-about-d
eborah-ramirez/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ZeroHedge thinks that

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Avenatti Unveils New Accuser Who Saw Kavanaugh "Spike Punch", Abuse Girls

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-03/avenatti-reveals-new-accuser
-who-saw-kavanaugh-spike-punch-abuse-girls

There's on thing I can say about ZH: They're pretty (small "c") catholic* in their headlines. That's what news aggregators do.

*adjective
universal; relating to all men; all-inclusive
comprehensive in interests, tastes, etc; broad-minded; liberal
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/catholic

methinks you altered your post since I last saw it.
I don't think I've ever seen catholic used like that. And I'm Catholic.
I'm quite sure your catholic does not qualify for Exorcism.

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 12:04 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
methinks you altered your post since I last saw it.

If I had, i would have corrected the typo.

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I don't think I've ever seen catholic used like that. And I'm Catholic.

Catholic (large "C") here too. Born and raised, anyway. Mentally left the church when I was ten.

But usage of (small "c") catholic is legitimate, altho rare.

"He was catholic in his appreciation of movies."

I like unusual words.

*****

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Are your comments regarding Justice Thomas your own, original? Or merely believed and copied from your linky?

Oh, I remember reading that criticism of Thomas many many years ago ... a history of his votes and how closely they mirrored Scalia's, along with an analysis of his written opinions. In fact, at the time of that analysis, I believe he had written ZERO opinions; altho I could be wrong. Over the years, whenever a SC ruling came down, I never found any reason to change that opinion of Thomas. You never hear his opinions quoted, for example.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 1:14 AM

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 2:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I got about four minutes into your video, REAVER, and I decided I had better things to do with my time. Everything that this woman said, as far as I listened, was without merit (speaking of meritocracy).

"It was a thorough-dressing-down"
Does she even know what the phrase means? (it means harsh public criticism)

She got "angry", it "boiled her blood"?
So what?

Long on emotion, short on explanation. Like I said, I have better things to do.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 5:35 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....for instance....

Picture this:

While I kick "Bart" so hard up his ass that his tonsils could tie my shoelace
(left foot, in case you were wondering).

Now doesn't that conjure a wonderful sight, a lovely vision indeed. Some may see that as abstract art. See how that works - of course not.

So there you have it Sigs. Simple, so that the dolts (you) can have something to eat with their coffee. Well off to the quarry to pick a nice spot for Trump.

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JUST SO SHINY sees this ..

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This is dead on socio-political commentary...few see it for what it is, while others need it expalined: It is the Rape/Silencing of Justice, mighty powerful message T.- GUY
Oh GUY, one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

But I see different messages in there ... unintentional ones, but there nonetheless

1) An orchestrated effort to rile people up, and
2) GUILTY!!!
(until proven innocent)

Both subliminal messages are dangerous. I hope you see that.

******

Once upon a time, I had a personality test done at work; it was for us to understand our personalities and approaches in the hope that we would work better together, and one aspect of my personality is that I like to consider ALL possibilities before making a decision. I think that is why I'm one of the people here saying ... Don't rush to judgment ... which it seems MOST people are intent on doing. But IMHO as long as there are equally-possible scenarios which explain events and EVIDENCE doesn't definitively point us in one direction or another then we should withhold judgment until better information comes along. For example there are women who said that Kavanaugh did (or may have) sexually assaulted them, but there are people who were there - pointed out as witnesses or friends by the self-proclaimed victims - who said HUH?? I don't even know you or I don't remember any such thing.

How to account for these accusations - and lack of corroboration?

Well, it DOES seem that there was a lot of drinking going on. That's one thing that people agree on. So it's very possible that these things happened, but unless they happened TO YOU, nobody would notice or remember out of sheer drunkneness. Possibly these events happened but the witnesses were also complicit, or don't want to get tainted/involved, and are backing away from the story.

It's also possible that the victims simply mis-remember; even THEIR memories are fragmentary, and piecing together fragile impressions warps them in some way (See FALSE MEMORY) especially if you combine it with a ideological motivation to put someone's face in the picture as the attacker. Or maybe the self-proclaimed victims are looking to make money or are attention-seeking.

At this point ... especially with the denials/lack of corroboration of the potential witnesses who were supposedly involved ... the evidence is equivocal.

There's ONE thing that I wouldn't rely on, however... people who "talked about" an event but who didn't witness it PERSONALLY. Unless YOU WERE THERE or there was a POLICE REPORT filed, hearsay shouldn't count.

I know how stories can run like wildfire and get completely overblown in the process; seen it happen at work and the inet only makes it worse.

In fact, I have a funny story about that. Maybe later.

******

And now for the funny story.

I did something at work that could have gotten me in hot water. I was talking with a guy, let's call him YYYY, in another department about how rumors can spread with NOTHING behind them because he was saying that with so many rumors about *** that there must be something behind them.

So I bet him that I could start a rumor about HIM. Now, you have to realize that this was one straight-laced guy. He was married, always talked about his family, worked hard at work and was very concerned about doing the job right, did at lot at home (he said), never drank to excess that I saw or heard of, never even swore that I heard (said "gosh" in private conversation when I might have said something stronger), never made a pass at anyone ... And just to add to the straightlaced impression that others had of him, he was Japanese, which many people interpret as being particularly polite and rules-oriented.

He said that if I could start a rumor about him he owed me a beer.

It was INCREDIBLY easy. I just walked up to some of his co-workers over the course of a week, and asked, in a quiet/concerned tone of voice Say, have you heard about YYYY?. And when I got the inevitable No! What?? I would act confused and say Well, I guess if he hasn't told you I better not say and walk away.

Mr YYYY got a little pissed at me because after two weeks he said They think I'm getting divorced. Or going to be a father again. Or getting fired. Or getting promoted. I want you to stop it. (He also wanted to know how I did it.) So I had to go around to his coworkers and explain it was all part of a joke and there was nothing behind it, which killed the rumor pretty quickly.

But I was shocked ... shocked, I tell you! ... how easily and quickly I could start a rumor. And Mr YYYY was also shocked ... and I would say also disappointed, upset, and a tad angry .... that people that he had worked with for EIGHT YEARS or more with unfailing professionalism and courtesy .... could tag him so quickly over literally nothing at all.

GOSSIP! HEARSAY! DON'T BELIEVE IT!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 5:44 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Quote:
one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

Sometimes a good "bludgeoning" is what it takes, yanno!?...Well now, so that being the case. I'm off.

SGG

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:17 AM

The FBI reportedly only interviewed 9 people about the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, and ignored his drinking habits
https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-interviewed-just-9-people-over-bre
tt-kavanaugh-ignored-drinking-2018-10?IR=T&utm_source=reddit.com

Of course they didn't talk to Kavanaugh himself. You don't want him lying to the FBI, as well as everyone else.

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
one could hardly NOT see the "message" in the cartoon, it kind of bludgeons people over the head, yanno?

Sometimes a good "bludgeoning" is what it takes, yanno!?...Well now, so that being the case. I'm off.

SGG

By any means necessary, huh?

Has anybody else noticed that the narrative seems to have completely shifted from the MeToo stuff to talking about how Kavanaugh doesn't have the demeanor for the job?

It seems that this whole circus was just a reality TV style job interview and he didn't do so well.

I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public.

Knowing Trump, I'm assuming that this is going to be what he does, and is part of the reason why he ordered it be carried out in the first place. I think Feinstein is probably shitting herself right about now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:38 AM

The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimoni
es-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Doesn't sound like they made much of an effort, does it?

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:41 AM

Breaking News:

The White House found no corroboration of sexual misconduct allegations against Kavanaugh in the FBI report.[1]

Majority leader Senator McConnel filed for cloture to end debate on the nomination setting up an important procedural vote on Friday that could see the confirmation vote as early as this Saturday.[2]

It was a sham investigation:

The FBI probe failed to interview Professor Ford and other witnesses that could corroborate her allegations.[3]

The FBI investigation ignored testimonies from Kavanaugh's former classmates who contradict his statements.[4]

Frustrated potential witnesses who have been unable to speak with the F.B.I agents conducting the investigation into sexual-assault allegations against Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, have been resorting to sending statements, unsolicited, to the Bureau and to senators, in hopes that they would be seen before the inquiry concluded. On Monday, President Trump said that the Bureau should be able to interview “anybody they want within reason,” but the extent of the constraints placed on the investigating agents by the White House remained unclear. Late Wednesday night, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that the F.B.I. probe was over and cleared the way for an important procedural vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination to take place on Friday. NBC News reported that dozens of people who said that they had information about Kavanaugh had contacted F.B.I. field offices, but agents had not been permitted to talk to many of them. Several people interested in speaking to the F.B.I. expressed exasperation in interviews with The New Yorker at what they perceived to be a lack of interest in their accounts.

Wall Street Journal - White House Finds No Corroboration of Sexual Misconduct Allegations Against Kavanaugh in FBI Report

Fox News - Ford's lawyers slam FBI investigation after McConnell signals Kavanaugh vote later this week

The Hill - Ford attorneys slam FBI's Kavanaugh investigation for not interviewing Ford, witnesses

The New Yorker - The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 9:48 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Knowing Trump, I'm assuming that this is going to be what he does, and is part of the reason why he ordered it be carried out in the first place. I think Feinstein is probably shitting herself right about now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Kavanaugh is on record stating that he believes it is acceptable for the government to violate the Fourth Amendment because national security is more important than our natural and constitutional rights:

“In my view, the Government’s meta-data collection program is entirely consistent with the Fourth Amendment,” he wrote. “Even if the bulk collection of telephony metadata constitutes a search, the Fourth Amendment does not bar all searches and seizures. It bars only unreasonable searches and seizures.” He continued: “The Government’s program for bulk collection of 2 telephony meta-data serves a critically important special need — preventing terrorist attacks on the United States. In my view, that critical national security need outweighs the impact on privacy occasioned by this program.”

www.nationalreview.com/corner/dc-circuit-judge-metadata-collection-ent
irely-consistent-four-amendment-andrew-c/

Kavanaugh's is the same excuse used to justify the entire overreaching Patriot Act of 2001, not to mention those random Transportation Security Administration pat-downs at the airport. If you don’t like it, proponents usually say something along the lines of: You don't have to worry if you aren’t doing anything wrong.

Trump wants Kavanaugh because he wrote that a President can't be indicted or subpoenaed. That's the total qualification Kavanaugh has for the job.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 10:59 AM

100,000 U.S. Christian Churches Demand Withdrawal of Kavanaugh's Supreme Court Nomination
http://fortune.com/2018/10/03/national-council-of-churches-demands-kav
anaugh-withdraw/

Accuser 'Silenced' and Witnesses Ignored, FBI's Kavanaugh Probe Denounced as 'Sham' and 'Charade'
With the report summarizing the FBI's less-than-a-week-long probe into sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh now in the hands of the Senate Judiciary Committee, his accusers as well as witnesses to the events are speaking out forcefully Thursday morning to decry the entire process
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/04/accuser-silenced-and-witn
esses-ignored-fbis-kavanaugh-probe-denounced-sham-and

FBI Says It Lacks White House Approval to Talk to Kavanaugh and Ford
http://time.com/5414812/fbi-white-house-approval-kavanugh-ford/?utm_so
urce=reddit.com

Like Second said, he's so much like Trump, he's required. Party uber alles.

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:24 AM

Here’s a list of people the FBI did NOT interview. Okay with this, Flake and Collins?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/04/heres-a-l
ist-of-people-the-fbi-did-not-interview-okay-with-this-flake-and-collins/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.62b13044b21b

I Lived With Brett Kavanaugh At Yale. The FBI Never Returned My Call.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-kavanaugh-fbi-investigati
on_us_5bb58157e4b0876eda9afeff?utm_source=reddit.com

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 11:51 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Kavanaugh’s defenders have tried to frame the question about Kavanaugh’s drinking as: Are you really saying his youthful excesses are disqualifying? But that’s not the right question. Rather, it’s whether Kavanaugh has shown a level of candor in the present about all this stuff (never mind his angry partisanship and openly displayed contempt for the critical role that opposition lawmakers play in this process) that we expect in a Supreme Court justice.

Kavanaugh defenders who have addressed that question point out that he admitted to drinking. But this doesn’t get Kavanaugh off that particular hook: All of this new information, on top of other things we’ve already learned, credibly indicate that he blatantly falsified multiple aspects of his conduct in a highly specific way. Undecided senators need to decide whether Kavanaugh has really demonstrated the integrity — and respect for the vetting process — that this position, with all the influence it wields over American life, and all the judiciousness and deliberative qualities we expect from those on the high court, demands.

Lying doesn't disqualify politicians, but Kavanaugh isn't a politician. He's a law technician, where lying his head off should disqualify him.

More at www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/04/heres-a-list-of-p
eople-the-fbi-did-not-interview-okay-with-this-flake-and-collins/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d1e22fa1b4f

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 1:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimoni
es-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Doesn't sound like they made much of an effort, does it?

I thought the FBI was the only government outfit the Leftists trusted anymore.

Must be getting pretty lonely for you guys now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 2:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public."

It won't make a difference. A while ago I asked the question 'what will happen if the FBI finds nothing?' Because I suspected that - as is proving to be the case - people will find a way to cling to the narrative they hold so dear, despite a lack of evidence.

tic tac

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 2:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimoni
es-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Doesn't sound like they made much of an effort, does it?

I thought the FBI was the only government outfit the Leftists trusted anymore.

Must be getting pretty lonely for you guys now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Ignorance on display, once again. ^

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 2:48 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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~~Kavanaugh Bush~~ Obama is on record stating that he believes it is acceptable for the government to violate the Fourth Amendment because national security is more important than our natural and constitutional rights

Hey SECOND, BUSH proposed the "Patriot Act"; it was passed by Congress. BUSH started warrantless surveillance by tapping into the AT&T exchange in San Francisco (I posted about it at the time). BUSH also eliminated the concept of habeas corpus (Military commissions Act 2006).

OBAMA expanded the warrantless surveillance to include, well, everyone. In addition, he held Star Chamber proceedings and developed a "kill list" for a secret drone strike program (commanded by the CIA) which included an American citizen. So much for jury trials!!

Congresspeople of BOTH parties and Presidents of BOTH parties have torn up the Constitution, irrespective of who was on the Supreme Court.

Kavanaugh will likely be confirmed.

Get over it.

The focus now should be on Congress. If Congress writes explicit, comprehensive, proactive laws which protect the rights of ALL Americans and which benefit working Americans ... or if Congress REPEALS or FAILS TO EXTEND destructive laws ... or responds adequately to Executive Orders ... then it doesn't matter WHO is on the Supreme Court.

Can we count on Dems to do that? Or will they continue with their divisive identity politics and paranoid focus on other nations?

*****

I heard something interesting the other day on NPR. If I understand this correctly, men are 10% MORE likely to vote REPUBLICAN as a result of the Kavanaugh hearings.

WAY TO GO DEMS! You've been extremely successful in turning this nation into groups of warring tribes!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public."

It won't make a difference. A while ago I asked the question 'what will happen if the FBI finds nothing?' Because I suspected that - as is proving to be the case - people will find a way to cling to the narrative they hold so dear, despite a lack of evidence.

tic tac

But it will make a difference.

Sure, some "people" will cling to that narrative, but those same people wouldn't have been dissuaded even if time machines were real and you could take them back in time to witness nothing happening. The exact same could be said about some people on the other side who would deny what they saw if you could go back and show them the events going down exactly as alleged.

These people on either side are the extreme minority in the country.

On any given night only about 2 to 3% of the people in America are watching one of the Cable News Networks. Nobody could say that ALL of people tuning in all the time are extremists on either sides, but they are the ones most likely to be.

I'm starting to believe that most people are somewhere in the middle, they are rational, and they don't like being dictated to by anybody how they should think and feel about anything.

What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:07 PM

Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation may be how every Trump associate permanently avoids prosecution
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-s-confirmation-m
ay-be-how-every-trump-associate-ncna916681

And that's why they'll lie and cheat to push him through.

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I'm hoping that once this FBI investigation has concluded that Trump forces the entire report without any redactions to be made available to the public."

It won't make a difference. A while ago I asked the question 'what will happen if the FBI finds nothing?' Because I suspected that - as is proving to be the case - people will find a way to cling to the narrative they hold so dear, despite a lack of evidence.

tic tac

But it will make a difference.

Sure, some "people" will cling to that narrative, but those same people wouldn't have been dissuaded even if time machines were real and you could take them back in time to witness nothing happening. The exact same could be said about some people on the other side who would deny what they saw if you could go back and show them the events going down exactly as alleged.

These people on either side are the extreme minority in the country.

On any given night only about 2 to 3% of the people in America are watching one of the Cable News Networks. Nobody could say that ALL of people tuning in all the time are extremists on either sides, but they are the ones most likely to be.

I'm starting to believe that most people are somewhere in the middle, they are rational, and they don't like being dictated to by anybody how they should think and feel about anything.

What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

We already have enough facts to not confirm him. He lied. A lot.

Facts don't matter to the reich. They want their boy to grant them impunity, and he will.

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The democrats have a long history of failures starting in 1995 that brought us to this point. Despite that history, the party doesn't seem to feel the need to do anything different.

With the brief exception 2007 through 2011, republicans have held the House of Representatives since 1995. (Before that, democrats held the House nearly continuously for 60 years.)

In 2011 governorships flipped to republicans 29 to democrats 20 and one independent; the current number is now republicans 33, democrats 16, and one independent.

In 2015 democrats lost the Senate.

Democrats lost the presidency in the 2016 elections.

With the brief exception 2007 through 2011, republicans have held the House of Representatives since 1995. Before that, Democrats held the house nearly continuously since 1935.
http://history.house.gov/Institution/Party-Divisions/Party-Divisions/

In 2007, 2008, and 2009 democrats held a majority of governorships (appx 28 to 22); in 2011 governorships flipped to republicans 29 to democrats 20 plus one independent. The democrats never regained the majority and the current number is now republicans 33, democrats 16, and one independent.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/198486/number-of-governors-in-the-
us-by-political-party-affiliation/

In 2015 democrats lost the Senate.
https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm

Democrats lost the presidency in the 2016 elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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What we need are the facts. There needs to be a lot more transparency in the government that is supposed to be serving the people. There absolutely should be a complete and unredacted FBI report regarding this investigation after what the MSM has put the people through the last few weeks over the issue.

I agree with you completely! But facts don't change minds that are already made up. If anything, people will dig in deeper to reduce the discomfort of 'cognitive dissonance'.

Perhaps if the government and the media started the process of transparency, over time it would engender trust. Perhaps people would be more willing to listen to and credit facts over narratives. Maybe, over time, it would change the nature of our politics.

In this IMMEDIATE timeframe, though, I'm not sure if it would help.

BTW, one thing I do find fault with is the characterization of the FBI's efforts as an 'investigation', which gives people the idea that the FBI is looking for any criminal activity. It's more like a deep pre-employment vetting.

The only thing that might stop a Kavanaugh appointment are $wildcard$ republicans who might vote against the party line.

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:51 PM