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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, speaking of excess deaths, a 'back of the envelope' calculation based on extremely optimistic data indicates that if the country gets infected at the same rate as NYC (80%, coincidentally when herd immunity is supposed to take hold), then a minimum of half a million people in the US will die of COVID-19. That's roughly 10x the number of people who die from all influenza viruses combined in an entire 'flu' year.

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Originally posted by second:
Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX is just pulling stuff outta his ass, again.

I think what happened is that he looked at Trump's guidelines for reopening states' economies and realized that (1) they were more restrictive than mine and (2) Big Daddy Trump didn't have his back.

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Originally posted by second:
In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The Prime Minister has conceded the government won’t force Australians to download tracking software after it was viewed by many as a draconian measure to trace coronavirus cases in the community.

On Friday, Scott Morrison said he wanted to make the app compulsory if enough people didn’t sign up for it because at least 40 per cent of the population needs to be on board to make it effective.

But in a tweet this morning, he confirmed it “will not be mandatory”.

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“I know this would be something they might not normally do at an ordinary time but this is not an ordinary time,” he said.

“If you download this app you’ll be helping save someone’s life.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-tes
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1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How many people in NYC have been infected with SARS-COV-2?

150% as some data indicates?
100% as JACK claims?

The answer so far is closer to 20%

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-tes
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1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest

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But rather than using antibodies in the decision to relax anti-SARS-COV-2 measures, Cuomo is basing his recommendation on numbers of people being hospitalized, about 1,350 patients per day. That number indicates there's still dangerous levels of infection.

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https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/23/data-on-gileads-remdesivir-release
d-by-accident-show-no-benefit-for-coronavirus-patients/

New data on Gilead’s remdesivir, released by accident, show no benefit for coronavirus patients. Company still sees reason for hope

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-slide-report-gilead-miracle-d
rug-remdesivir-flopped-during-first-clinical-trial

Stocks Dump, Gilead Crashes After FT Reports Gilead's Remdesivir "Flops" In First Clinical Trial

Update (1350ET): How did the FT and Statnews get their hands on the remdesivir study? They were simply perusing the WHO website at the right time and just happened to stumble upon.

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JACK:
and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days.

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JACK:
and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days.

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Pick whichever 'source' you would prefer, JACK. All you need to do to get your preferred 'source' is to go to google and search out the topic under 'news'.

But perhaps you need someone to do that for you, so here's a start:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by second:
In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Despite what Cap'n Crunch says, that should be pretty terrifying to you.

Australia (thankfully) backpeadled their decision to make a Coomph tracking app mandatory.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/piracy/coronavirus-governmen
t-considers-making-mobile-tracking-app-mandatory/news-story/f2cacdf3ef3dbc844664ae9f648620cf

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The Prime Minister has conceded the government won’t force Australians to download tracking software after it was viewed by many as a draconian measure to trace coronavirus cases in the community.

On Friday, Scott Morrison said he wanted to make the app compulsory if enough people didn’t sign up for it because at least 40 per cent of the population needs to be on board to make it effective.

But in a tweet this morning, he confirmed it “will not be mandatory”.

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That doesn't mean that they won't try guilting the hell out of you to download and use it though.

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“I know this would be something they might not normally do at an ordinary time but this is not an ordinary time,” he said.

“If you download this app you’ll be helping save someone’s life.”

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If I were an Australian Citizen would I be forced to have the app if the law passed as well, even though I don't have or ever intend to have a cell phone again? Would I be forced to go out and buy one and pay a monthly plan out of my own pocket to install this tracking app?



As an aside...

Has anybody else who lives in an area that never has helicopters flying by had a lot of chopper activity? At least 3 per day are flying over the vicinity of my house this week, and that's just the ones flying close enough to be audible.

I could probably count on one hand how many I've noticed in 8 years of living here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Six had an interesting thought that I've been noodling about ever since. He said that the "lockdown" has been in place for 8 weeks ... long enough to form new habits.

What are some of the negative habits being reinforced?

Well, beating up on your significant other, maybe.
Drinking.
Spending endless hours on the internet.

But what about postive habits?

Cooking and eating at home, with the family.
Spending time with your kids.
Walking the dog.
Gardening, cleaning, or home improvement.
NOT running to the store to buy the latest purse or drill if you need a "lift'.
NOT running off to the casino for a little fun.

It's not all negative. People are saying they see kids playing in the streets again, like they used to see. I've seen it myself: Mom, watching the kids from down the length of the street.

I hope the biggest habit that breaks is mindless consumerism.




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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is in response to all of the celebrities who, seeing no oppty to stick their faces into the public eye, are tweeting and instagraming endlessly about Covid-19.

Who the fuck cares about them? Maybe another positive result will be diminishing celeberity worship.

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

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Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.


Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.



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SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

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Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.


Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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At the end of the day, THEY did it.

Evolutionarily, SIX, there are times when people had to work hard to survive, but there were times when people had to hunker down. If they can't stand hunkering down they wouldn't have survived those times.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, you're the one who started down the road of "let the weak die".
I'm just bouncing it back.
Not very nice, is it?

I DO feel for your family. Believe me, I know what it's like to take care of, and worry about, a fragile family member.
It doesn't sound like anyone has money problems, so it's more about feelz.

If you're that worried, call your brother more often. Every day, if necessary. Even more often, if it helps.
Your dad can safely visit him without potentially infecting him if he just wears a mask and has your brother do the same. You can too, except your car might not make it.

But just ... call. Talk to him. And not just once in a while. Call your dad, too.
In these stressful days, the best antidote is to take action.

Anxiety is what dwells in the space between what we know we should be doing, and what we're not doing. I have so much to do, I can't imagine how anyone could have "nothing" to do. Netflix sounds like an escape from anxiety, not boredom.

But, what do I know? Just call your family and stay in touch more often!


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Originally posted by JACK:
I talk to them close to everyday.
You run out of stuff to talk about though, when one person is doing DIY stuff and the other two are watching news and Netflix most of the day. We've talked this virus bullshit to death. I don't give a shit what shows they're watching and have no interest in watching any myself.

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I almost get the feeling that I'm making him feel bad when I'm talking about work I'm getting done right now.

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So what do you talk about?

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I am worried about my brother drinking again though, and the lack of sleep is worrisome too. He's disabled and he lives 250 miles away from any family.

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My old man is stuck with my youngest brother who, though a true genius, has OCD and is already a germaphobe and needs to take lead testing kits any time he touches something metallic (no joke). Being with my old man and my step mom is probably the best place in the world for him right now, but it's not doing dad any favors.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Your father is driving 250 miles one way to bring him groceries? Or is he coming up from Florida to do that?

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But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.

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JACK:
It has much more in common with the cold than the flu. The only problem here is that it is "novel". After it kills the people it's going to kill and herd immunity sets in, just like other coronaviruses it becomes just another form of the cold.

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Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.

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All in New York, and most of that in the City. Plenty of stories in the media stating that in most places in the country not only are hospitals not even close to capacity, but they've had to furlough workers because of the shut down. It's such a non-secret the media isn't even trying to hide that fact and a simple Google search will give you plenty of articles stating it.

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If New York City itself were a state, it would have more deaths than the top 41 states of the union combined.

Stop focusing on New York.

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But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.

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My old man isn't technically "old" yet. He's also quite healthy for a man his age.

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My brother has a disability, but he's not prone to getting sick.

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I'm much more concerned about their mental well being than any small risk of physical problems from a virus that has a near zero chance of doing anything harmful to them.

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Particularly my brother who had a really bad hand dealt to him in life and has substance abuse issues. Being part of the community down there through church, activities and volunteer work was his life. Now he can't do any of those things, and he's forced to live alone with his thoughts every day.

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I can only tell him "you and everybody else" when he starts complaining on the phone about how much he thinks life sucks right now before that starts getting old.

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It didn't help his state of mind at all when his governor decided to extend the lock down a full month this time until June 1st. At least before the extensions were about 2 weeks at a time, which at least gave the illusion of hope. Now he has to sit there knowing it will be at least 5 more weeks of this bullshit and that it can be extended again at that point.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

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JACK:


Your suggestions were call them (which I do) and drive down to my brother (which I can't).

My offer for him to live here temporarily is always on the table. They were going to do it and then all of the sudden they got cold feet about it. They're afraid that he can't go back to his place if things get even worse and more locked down in Illinois. His building is nearly all senior citizens outside of him and a few other younger people with disabilities.

It probably wouldn't help him too much if he was here. At least I could make sure he wasn't going to start drinking, but he still can't go to church or really do anything. It would make the old man feel better though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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