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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How did Cuomo kill anybody?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
See? You can't sustain a fact-based discussion and you quickly default to trolling and name-calling, right JACKass? And you claim ** I ** start it!


NYC is a unique place unlike anywhere else in the US.

The REST of NYS which is a lot more like the rest of the country did exceptionally well compared to everywhere else.


But if you want to continue to claim Cuomo was responsible for a high percent of deaths coming from nursing homes AS YOU'VE BEEN DOING, then you need to explain DeWine's 4X higher death rate failure in his republican paradise.

Or, abandon your argument, change the topic, ignore reality, AND TROLL.

As always.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
See? You can't sustain a fact-based discussion and you quickly default to trolling and name-calling, right JACKass? And you claim ** I ** start it!


NYC is a unique place unlike anywhere else in the US.

The REST of NYS which is a lot more like the rest of the country did exceptionally well compared to everywhere else.


But if you want to continue to claim Cuomo was responsible for a high percent of deaths coming from nursing homes AS YOU'VE BEEN DOING, then you need to explain DeWine's 4X higher death rate failure in his republican paradise.

Or, abandon your argument, change the topic, ignore reality, AND TROLL.

As always.

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I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about with Ohio.

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Cuomo trapped the sick and the elderly together and killed them by the thousands.

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Fuck your gaslighting strawman. I don't play your bullshit games.

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And as for calling you names, boo fucking hoo. You never quit. This doesn't just reset every day because you say so.

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You started that bullshit months ago. I've tried to back down but you just start it again. I've already written you off like I have Nilbog.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.

But then, it was his own choice to turn himself into a poster who posts literally nothing but personal attacks, trolls, and lies. (see above for an example)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
32% of 32,570 = 10,423 dead old people from homes in NYS
82% of 3,178 = 2,605 dead old people from homes in Ohio

Looks like 4 times as many dead old people from homes in NYS than in Ohio.


I don't know. It sounds like a pretty stupid thing to even argue about. Dead people are dead people. And there is a whole lot more of them dead in New York.

But as you said, NYS is different than anywhere else in the country.

(Which is an argument I've made in the past that you completely ignored when it didn't suit your own agenda).



There could be 1,000 different explanations for why the spread killed a greater percentage of old folks in homes in Ohio than in NYS.


Maybe one of them is that mostly only old people die of it, and NYS was busy throwing every single cause of death that wasn't Coomph related into the Coomph bucket where Ohio didn't do that and their numbers actually reflect reality.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
See? You can't sustain a fact-based discussion and you quickly default to trolling and name-calling, right JACKass? And you claim ** I ** start it!


But if you want to continue to claim Cuomo was responsible for a high percent of deaths coming from nursing homes AS YOU'VE BEEN DOING, then you need to explain DeWine's 4X higher death rate failure in his republican paradise.

Or, abandon your argument, change the topic, ignore reality, AND TROLL.

As always.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Do you understand ratios at all?

If I have 1 million people and 100 die of a disease, 0.01% have died from that disease.

If I have 100 people and 100 die of a disease, 100% have died from that disease.

Even though 100 people have died in both examples, in the first case the disease seems to affect the population hardly at all. In the second case, the disease exterminated the entire population! I'd say the second case was worse than the first - wouldn't you? Or, if that question is too theoretical for you - would you rather be in a population where hardly anybody dies of a disease, or in a population where everybody dies of a disease?


NYC (City) is a unique COVID-19 example in the US, because of its size, density, and interconnectedness ... as well as the timing of COVID-19, before there was any level of testing, or experience with effective prevention, or experience with effective treatment.

However, because it's hard getting data re NYC compared to NYS (State); because Cuomo is the governor of NYS (State) and not NYC (City); and since I'm comparing NYS (State) (an entire state) to Ohio (an entire state) (ie apples to apples); I used NYS (State) figures.


So overall, due to its unique circumstances, NYS had a lot of deaths compared to other states, mostly driven by NYC numbers. DESPITE all the issues surrounding NYC, and DESPITE the order that SUPPOSEDLY targeted people in nursing homes and care facilities, of all the people who died in NYS, only 26% came from those facilities.

Whereas in Ohio, 70% of deaths came from those facilities.


If one is going to criticize Cuomo for his policies that SUPPOSEDLY put old people in care facilities at SPECIAL risk compared to everyone else in NYS - one should 4X criticize DeWine who did a 4X worse job protecting those people. Because, why were old people at such a tremendous risk in Ohio compared to the overall level of infection and death in the general population?



I hope that clears up your mental confusion which seems considerable!


BTW, I can think of many reasons why old people in Ohio fared so much worse compared to the general population in a republican paradise - and it could be due to pre-existing general lax standards and enforcement* in those types of care facilities. Yanno - trusting business to do what it wants to do, which is making the most money possible, and turning a blind eye to anything else. And already having written off the old and helpless as not being worth any extra co$$t for protection$$.

(ie - personnel standards, training, established procedures their documentation and its availability, level of overall care requirements, staffing levels, infection control, general care procedures, available PPE, outsourcing and availability of critical functions etc)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What reality?

Your lying numbers and fake panic?

Nobody cares.

Go back to whining about his taxes, halfwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
My favorite Bible story is probably the one where Jesus tells the lepers to get used to the idea that a lot of them are going to die, and then he goes on TV to brag about what a great job he's doing.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well JACK, I must have hit a nerve with the numbers I posted because you can't even let JSF reply for himself.

Reality bites, doesn't it?

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Growing Body Of Evidence Suggests Masks Protect Those Wearing Them, Too
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/20/893227088/growing-body-of-evidence-sugg
ests-masks-protect-those-wearing-them-too

"As we just heard, even though most face masks make lip reading harder or cover a smile, we've been told again and again to wear them because wearing a mask lowers the chances that you will spread COVID-19 to others. But a growing body of evidence suggests that the opposite is also true. That is wearing a mask might protect you, too. Here to walk us through the research is Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco."

Hmm. Should I listen to experts who study this stuff, or some dipshit who never finished high school?

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Love hearing that...

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Originally posted by THG:
Fauci responds to Trump: 'I consider myself a realist, as opposed to an alarmis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fauci-responds-to-trump-i-cons
ider-myself-a-realist-as-opposed-to-an-alarmist/ar-BB170hau?ocid=msedgntp

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Growing Body Of Evidence Suggests Masks Protect Those Wearing Them, Too
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/20/893227088/growing-body-of-evidence-sugg
ests-masks-protect-those-wearing-them-too

"As we just heard, even though most face masks make lip reading harder or cover a smile, we've been told again and again to wear them because wearing a mask lowers the chances that you will spread COVID-19 to others. But a growing body of evidence suggests that the opposite is also true. That is wearing a mask might protect you, too. Here to walk us through the research is Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco."

Hmm. Should I listen to experts who study this stuff, or some dipshit who never finished high school?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Do you understand ratios at all?

kiki post no data, no raw numbers, like 6ix provided.


kiki throwing around patios without any foundation in real numbers, possible just fake:
of all the people who died in NYS, only 26% came from those facilities.

Whereas in Ohio, 70% of deaths came from those facilities.


kiki posting more Fake Math multiples, without foundation data:
one should 4X criticize DeWine who did a 4X worse job protecting those people. Because, why were old people at such a tremendous risk in Ohio compared to the overall level of infection and death in the general population?



More baseless opinionating, from the Fake Maths:
BTW, I can think of many reasons why old people in Ohio fared so much worse compared to the general population in a republican paradise - and it could be due to pre-existing general lax standards and enforcement* in those types of care facilities.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:




You've been wearing a mask when your alone in your mom's basement fapping to animal porn for the last 20 years.

What the fuck do you care?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
trolling

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:




You've been wearing a mask when your alone in your mom's basement fapping to animal porn for the last 20 years.

What the fuck do you care?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Actually, I've made a very comfortable living speaking languages you can't speak with people on subjects you wouldn't understand.

I'll continue listening to experts, because your IQ is in the negatives.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


lol

We've got another "intellectual" who loves bottling is own farts so he can smell them on the go even after he shits his brains out and has no farts left for the day after his daily Unbelievable Whopper colon cleanse.

Fucking walking estrogen soy sprout. How those bitch tits working out for you faggot? You able to milk them yet?


We all know you're just Second's sock puppet, and lying about shit you don't have or don't know anything about or don't do only further gives you away.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW... Trump came out today and said that it was a good idea to wear a mask.


Look for a story by the NYT stating all the reasons why we don't need to wear a mask soon.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trump supporters devastated after he finally endorses face masks: ‘I’m so saddened to see this’
https://deadstate.org/trump-supporters-devastated-after-he-finally-end
orses-face-masks-im-so-saddened-to-see-this/

Wow. You trumptards must be devastated.

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Sorry reaver. I can’t see myself promoting anything being reported on by an entity calling itself the DeadState. The DeadState focusses on the absurdity and triumphs of people, politics, current events, religion, and the overall human condition from an unapologetically secular progressive perspective.

Careful reaver. The far left is every bit a danger to democracy as the far right. And both are equally unhinged. America needs to remain a work in progress. The far right would destroy that through authoritarianism, while the left would destroy it by completely dismantling capitalism. They want everything to happen now; today, and they really do believe America’s resources are limitless.

I remember Bernie Sanders health care would cost 10 trillion dollars more in ten years than the money he could take from the rich to pay for it. When that came to light his bid for the presidency ended. The same happened to Warren because she stubbornly held onto that. With the economy the way it is today. And the overwhelming debt accruing in our cities; the trillions in bailouts from Washington, we are left with little to work with. An approach from the middle leaning slightly left is the needed methodology.


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Trump supporters devastated after he finally endorses face masks: ‘I’m so saddened to see this’
https://deadstate.org/trump-supporters-devastated-after-he-finally-end
orses-face-masks-im-so-saddened-to-see-this/

Wow. You trumptards must be devastated.

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Sorry reaver. I can’t see myself promoting anything being reported on by an entity calling itself the DeadState. The DeadState focusses on the absurdity and triumphs of people, politics, current events, religion, and the overall human condition from an unapologetically secular progressive perspective.

Careful reaver. The far left is every bit a danger to democracy as the far right. And both are equally unhinged. America needs to remain a work in progress. The far right would destroy that through authoritarianism, while the left would destroy it by completely dismantling capitalism. They want everything to happen now; today, and they really do believe America’s resources are limitless.

I remember Bernie Sanders health care would cost 10 trillion dollars more in ten years than the money he could take from the rich to pay for it. When that came to light his bid for the presidency ended. The same happened to Warren because she stubbornly held onto that. With the economy the way it is today. And the overwhelming debt accruing in our cities; the trillions in bailouts from Washington, we are left with little to work with. An approach from the middle leaning slightly left is the needed methodology.


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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think that people should be waking up to the fact that WE DON'T MANUFACTURE ANYTHING HERE ANYMORE.

Been running into a lot of unavailable items lately, not because people are hoarding or panic-buying but because "supply chain disrupted"

So, starting with the most urgent and obvious and including some unonbvious items:

N95 masks. Made in China.
Toilet paper: Made in China
Bolts: Made in China
Brackets: Made in China
Spray bottles: Made in China
Fine chemicals; Made in China
Pharma raw materials: Made in China*

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Avigan ingredient shortage hits Japan stockpile plan
Lack of element from China spurs to push to find domestic suppliers

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Avigan-ingredient-shorta
ge-hits-Japan-stockpile-plan?utm_campaign=RN%20Subscriber%20newsletter&utm_medium=one%20time%20newsletter&utm_source=NAR%20Newsletter&utm_content=article%20link&del_type=3&pub_date=20200418150000&seq_num=2&si=%%user_id%%

See how this goes?

Chips: Made in China
Fabric: Made in China
Agricultural chemicals: Made in China
Industrial chemicals: Made in China.

However did we get the idea that it was a reasonable thing to let somebody else do almost all of our manufacturing for us???

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think that people should be waking up to the fact that WE DON'T MANUFACTURE ANYTHING HERE ANYMORE.

Been running into a lot of unavailable items lately, not because people are hoarding or panic-buying but because "supply chain disrupted"

So, starting with the most urgent and obvious and including some unonbvious items:

N95 masks. Made in China.
Toilet paper: Made in China
Bolts: Made in China
Brackets: Made in China
Spray bottles: Made in China
Fine chemicals; Made in China
Pharma raw materials: Made in China*

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Avigan ingredient shortage hits Japan stockpile plan
Lack of element from China spurs to push to find domestic suppliers

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Avigan-ingredient-shorta
ge-hits-Japan-stockpile-plan?utm_campaign=RN%20Subscriber%20newsletter&utm_medium=one%20time%20newsletter&utm_source=NAR%20Newsletter&utm_content=article%20link&del_type=3&pub_date=20200418150000&seq_num=2&si=%%user_id%%

See how this goes?

Chips: Made in China
Fabric: Made in China
Agricultural chemicals: Made in China
Industrial chemicals: Made in China.

However did we get the idea that it was a reasonable thing to let somebody else do almost all of our manufacturing for us???

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This post from 18 April:
This is all part of China's program China Made 2025, or Made In China 2025.

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