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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I am going to finally hav the helmet and mask fully functional at the same time by next week. (before, I only had 1 CUD (pronounced CHUD (Chamber UV Doom) just like the movie (I think I can stuff a few more () in here) and then just 1 power supply)

I am making the bilt in battery holder on the helmet today.

After I am satisfied with them I neeed to duplicate 1 or both to send to a biolab to see if it actually killz pathojenz, particularly C19.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real solution: https://fundrazr.com/71jIY1?ref=ab_f9ZUS0




It turns out that nobody is going to need it JO. Same amount of people dying in the US as did in 2018.

But keep it on hand. The next one probably won't be so kind to us.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Deadliest days in American history:



1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Every day in America - 7,808

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:24 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false
-claim-of-e2-80-98no-excess-deaths-e2-80-99-in-2020/ar-BB1bC6Tu


But Dr. Steven Woolf, a professor in the Department of Family Medicine and Population Health at the Virginia Commonwealth University, told us that “multiple studies have shown that total deaths in the US are about 20% higher than expected.”

Woolf and colleagues relayed as much in an article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in October. “Although total US death counts are remarkably consistent from year to year, US deaths increased by 20% during March-July 2020,” the authors wrote.

Studies from others, including a paper by two University of Oxford economists, have reached similar conclusions.

Woolf said in an email that the lecture video instead presented a “very unsophisticated analysis, in which the speaker uses crude death counts for one year (2018) as the basis for comparison and performs simple subtraction from 2020 values for her assertions. Any reputable analysis of excess deaths is based on statistical modeling that computes seasonal averages over a period of many years, and this is done to adjust for random variation from year to year.”

“For example, our studies use Poisson regression modeling. Statistical modeling is necessary to know whether differences in death counts are statistically significant,” he said. “The speaker admits to merely eyeballing the trend lines for 2020. Researchers prefer to use statistical modeling to know whether a supposed change in counts is random variation or a statistically significant trend.”

The CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics excess death analysis (which uses such modeling) has found deaths above normal rates week after week since the end of March — as readers can see in the center’s chart below.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1bCaTM.img?h
=768&w=1366&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f


“Our death number increased in 2020 and we have less heart attack than in 2018,” she said. “Where have all the heart attacks gone?”

But she’s misleadingly comparing different points in time for the two years.

Bob Anderson, chief of NCHS’ Mortality Statistics Branch, said in an email statement that the video’s claims are born out of “a fundamental lack of understanding of the seasonal nature of mortality.”

While deaths typically increase in the winter, peaking around the New Year, “[d]eaths then decline in the spring through the summer and then increase again in the fall through the winter,” Anderson said. “But, what we are seeing in 2020 with the COVID-19 pandemic is very different. In the spring of 2020, during a period where we normally should be seeing declining mortality, deaths continued to increase and were at unusually high levels through the spring.”

The comparison of the two time periods used in the video is “not appropriate,” he said.

Anderson added that in 2018, “deaths followed the normal pattern (although at a higher level than normal). In 2020, deaths did not follow the normal pattern … they should have been declining in the spring, but instead increased substantially. In addition, we have an additional peak in deaths in late July/early August that seems to have been completely ignored in this analysis.”


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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:38 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



in 2016, a total of 2,744,248
in 2017, a total of 2,813,503
in 2018, a total of 2,839,205

Meanwhile, THERE ARE NO CDC NUMBERS FOR 2019 OR (INCOMPLETE) 2020.

Any claim to be using CDC numbers from those years is FALSE.



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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:45 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think the Captain is literally retarded.



Hate to piss in your cornflakes, fckwit, but being called retarded by the dumbest poster on this forum is more a compliment than an insult. But anyway...

So, since you have this all figured out... this should be easy for you to answer: how is it that Australia has killed the covid and we're sinking in it? Only 900 dead to our 288,000 dead. It's not even close. That should be a giant red flag for everyone in this country that Trump fcked up. But not you? You're on the inside and have special knowledge I guess - what are we missing? We're calling all cancer deaths covid deaths? Due impress us.




Because your numbers are bullshit, and those deaths were simply stolen from the usual cases of death every year in the US. Those people were going to die this year anyway. Just like I said they were from the beginning. That's the point of the CDC links.

You idiots were able to tell me I was full of shit before we had any numbers and that more people were dying this year because of Covid. Now we have numbers, and you're all the ones that are full of shit.

You're fucking brain damaged dude.




So no one / very few people are getting sick from Covid? And all those deaths listed as "Covid" are fake / something else? And therefore the numbers that the CDC is listing as covid are bullshit. BUT you'll turn around and list CDC numbers as proof that ??? the CDC numbers are BS? Pretty clever for the CDC to out themselves like that and prove they're lying to us. Talk about brain damage.

Wow, that was so brilliant I can't wait to read your exclusive on how Australia's numbers are so much better than ours. Lemme guess: they're just not "playing the game." If we just all go out there and shop and do like normal stuff, we'll prove that it's all fake - 'bout right?

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:52 PM

REAVERFAN






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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 1:30 PM

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think the Captain is literally retarded.



Hate to piss in your cornflakes, fckwit, but being called retarded by the dumbest poster on this forum is more a compliment than an insult. But anyway...

So, since you have this all figured out... this should be easy for you to answer: how is it that Australia has killed the covid and we're sinking in it? Only 900 dead to our 288,000 dead. It's not even close. That should be a giant red flag for everyone in this country that Trump fcked up. But not you? You're on the inside and have special knowledge I guess - what are we missing? We're calling all cancer deaths covid deaths? Due impress us.




Because your numbers are bullshit, and those deaths were simply stolen from the usual cases of death every year in the US. Those people were going to die this year anyway. Just like I said they were from the beginning. That's the point of the CDC links.

You idiots were able to tell me I was full of shit before we had any numbers and that more people were dying this year because of Covid. Now we have numbers, and you're all the ones that are full of shit.

You're fucking brain damaged dude.




So no one / very few people are getting sick from Covid? And all those deaths listed as "Covid" are fake / something else? And therefore the numbers that the CDC is listing as covid are bullshit. BUT you'll turn around and list CDC numbers as proof that ??? the CDC numbers are BS? Pretty clever for the CDC to out themselves like that and prove they're lying to us. Talk about brain damage.

Wow, that was so brilliant I can't wait to read your exclusive on how Australia's numbers are so much better than ours. Lemme guess: they're just not "playing the game." If we just all go out there and shop and do like normal stuff, we'll prove that it's all fake - 'bout right?



My argument is crystal clear.

Misinterpret it however you want.

You have no argument.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false
-claim-of-e2-80-98no-excess-deaths-e2-80-99-in-2020/ar-BB1bC6Tu


But Dr. Steven Woolf, a professor in the Department of Family Medicine and Population Health at the Virginia Commonwealth University, told us that “multiple studies have shown that total deaths in the US are about 20% higher than expected.”

Woolf and colleagues relayed as much in an article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in October. “Although total US death counts are remarkably consistent from year to year, US deaths increased by 20% during March-July 2020,” the authors wrote.

Studies from others, including a paper by two University of Oxford economists, have reached similar conclusions.

Woolf said in an email that the lecture video instead presented a “very unsophisticated analysis, in which the speaker uses crude death counts for one year (2018) as the basis for comparison and performs simple subtraction from 2020 values for her assertions. Any reputable analysis of excess deaths is based on statistical modeling that computes seasonal averages over a period of many years, and this is done to adjust for random variation from year to year.”

“For example, our studies use Poisson regression modeling. Statistical modeling is necessary to know whether differences in death counts are statistically significant,” he said. “The speaker admits to merely eyeballing the trend lines for 2020. Researchers prefer to use statistical modeling to know whether a supposed change in counts is random variation or a statistically significant trend.”

The CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics excess death analysis (which uses such modeling) has found deaths above normal rates week after week since the end of March — as readers can see in the center’s chart below.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1bCaTM.img?h
=768&w=1366&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f


“Our death number increased in 2020 and we have less heart attack than in 2018,” she said. “Where have all the heart attacks gone?”

But she’s misleadingly comparing different points in time for the two years.

Bob Anderson, chief of NCHS’ Mortality Statistics Branch, said in an email statement that the video’s claims are born out of “a fundamental lack of understanding of the seasonal nature of mortality.”

While deaths typically increase in the winter, peaking around the New Year, “[d]eaths then decline in the spring through the summer and then increase again in the fall through the winter,” Anderson said. “But, what we are seeing in 2020 with the COVID-19 pandemic is very different. In the spring of 2020, during a period where we normally should be seeing declining mortality, deaths continued to increase and were at unusually high levels through the spring.”

The comparison of the two time periods used in the video is “not appropriate,” he said.

Anderson added that in 2018, “deaths followed the normal pattern (although at a higher level than normal). In 2020, deaths did not follow the normal pattern … they should have been declining in the spring, but instead increased substantially. In addition, we have an additional peak in deaths in late July/early August that seems to have been completely ignored in this analysis.”





And despite all of this, we're still not even two days ahead of schedule on the death count compared to 2018.

This also doesn't take into account that there are 1.2% more people living in America than there were in 2018, which more than makes up for the less than 15,000 extra deaths so far this year, percentage wise.


They can make up any stories they want to. Numbers are numbers.



Less people have died in 2020 percentage wise than at this time in 2018. There is zero basis for denying that Covid deaths are just stealing from other cookie jars now that we have this data.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Sure we're ahead of normal deaths. You just didn't click the link I posted.

MEANWHILE - there is NO CDC data AT ALL for total deaths/ cause of death for 2019, or 2020(partial). You literally have ZERO data on how many people have died this year to date (total) and from what. That makes your 'claim' to be using CDC data ... bullshit.

So ... meh to you.



Whatever.

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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:44 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Sure we're ahead of normal deaths. You just didn't click the link I posted.

MEANWHILE - there is NO CDC data AT ALL for total deaths/ cause of death for 2019, or 2020(partial). You literally have ZERO data on how many people have died this year to date (total) and from what. That makes your 'claim' to be using CDC data ... bullshit.

So ... meh to you.



Whatever.

Why are you lying? Who do you think you will fool with your lies?



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Wednesday, December 9, 2020 9:44 PM

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 5:55 AM

THG


Deaths___292,480___+3,897

Just under 4 thousand deaths yesterday from the virus. Crickets from Trump. He's too busy trying to execute a coup.


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Thursday, December 10, 2020 7:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Lies, lies.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 9:35 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My argument is crystal clear.

Misinterpret it however you want.




It is crystal clear you are running away from this as fast as your little fg feet can carry you because you know you fckt up.

Or I'm wrong? So try again - should be easy for brainiac like you to explain what you meant:

"So no one / very few people are getting sick from Covid? And all those deaths listed as "Covid" are fake / something else? And therefore the numbers that the CDC is listing as covid are bullshit. BUT you'll turn around and list CDC numbers as proof that ??? the CDC numbers are BS? Pretty clever for the CDC to out themselves like that and prove they're lying to us."

Explain - impress us! You know more than the CDC - we are all so lucky to have you on this forum!

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 9:39 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies, lies.



They didn't die? Or were they all killed in car accidents and all the hospitals got together and said, "Let's all make sure we call it Covid, ok? Just like we did yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that. And..."

This might be an all time high for the greatest stupid sh*t posted by 6forbrains. Right after 4 years of "Trump will win in a landslide!" Right after, "Clinton is a pedo..." right after...

We're witnessing Trumptard greatness.

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:29 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

We're witnessing Trumptard greatness.

Hours after Margaret Keenan, a 90-year-old grandmother from the United Kingdom, became the first person to get the COVID-19 vaccine, anti-vaxxers claimed she didn’t exist, that she was dead and that she was part of a Bill Gates scheme to implant microchips.

A USA TODAY analysis of one popular tweet claiming Keenan was a "crisis actress" shows how quickly this misinformation can spread.

With the first doses of a vaccine days away from distribution in the U.S. and the death toll climbing, opposition to the vaccine is resonating, not just with fringe anti-vaccine communities but with big swaths of mainstream America, whose faith in science and government has been badly shaken by the pandemic, they say.

Already, about 2 in 10 U.S. adults say they are “pretty certain” they won’t get the vaccine even when there is more information, according to a Pew Research Center survey released last week.

“I am deeply concerned because the same information campaign which initially downplayed the severity of COVID-19, downplayed the number of cases, then downplayed the number of deaths is now shifting to focus on the vaccine,” said Emerson Brooking, resident fellow at the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab and co-author of “LikeWar: The Weaponization of Social Media."

More at https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/12/09/coronavirus-vaccine-mis
information-facebook-twitter-youtube/3867707001
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:43 AM

REAVERFAN


Daily reported deaths from Covid-19 top 3,000 for the first time
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.h
tml


The United States for the first time reported more than 3,000 Covid-19 deaths on Wednesday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

So far on Wednesday, 3,049 have been reported, according to Johns Hopkins. The numbers are not complete for the day.
The United States is averaging about 2,230 new death reports per day, the university's data shows.
Over the course of the pandemic, US health officials have reported 289,298 total deaths.
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We're #1! So much winning...



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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:53 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


The United States passed two milestones on Wednesday: we recorded more than 3,000 deaths and our mortality rate rose firmly above the peak of our first wave. Those vaccines can’t come fast enough.

Here’s the coronavirus death toll through December 9:
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/12/coronavirus-growth-in-w
estern-countries-december-9-update
/


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:17 AM

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Overall, most Americans consistently disapproved of the way Trump handled the pandemic, but the AEI poll found one notable exception — men who identify as “completely masculine.”1 As the table below shows, a majority (52 percent) of men who identified as completely masculine on the survey agreed that the Trump administration has a strategy on COVID-19 — setting them apart from all other men and women. (Compared with other respondents, completely masculine men were also much more evenly split on the Trump administration’s handling of the pandemic, more likely to believe that wearing a mask was more about being politically correct than about preventing the spread of COVID-19, and more likely to oppose a national mask mandate.)

"Completely masculine" men were the only group where the majority (60 percent) said they had voted for Trump. These men may also be more likely to subscribe to a more traditional ideal of masculinity that echoes Trump’s “just shrug it off” attitude toward the pandemic. In fact, research conducted before the election found that these men, or men who fall into a similar category, were less likely to wear masks in the first place or take other precautions to stop the spread of COVID-19, including social distancing. One analysis even found that men who were considered more sexist were more likely to report having contracted the virus.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-so-many-men-stuck-with-trump-
in-2020
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 1:21 PM

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Only half of American adults want pending COVID-19 vaccine, poll finds. But experts estimate at least 70% of the U.S. population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, the point at which enough people are protected that the virus can be held in check.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/half-of-american-adults-want-covid-19-va
ccine-poll
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Only half of American adults want pending COVID-19 vaccine, poll finds. But experts estimate at least 70% of the U.S. population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, the point at which enough people are protected that the virus can be held in check.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/half-of-american-adults-want-covid-19-va
ccine-poll
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Wrong.

Anybody who got it and isn't already dead is immune.


For those slow on the uptake, THAT'S A LOT OF IMMUNE PEOPLE.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies, lies.



They didn't die? Or were they all killed in car accidents and all the hospitals got together and said, "Let's all make sure we call it Covid, ok? Just like we did yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that. And..."

This might be an all time high for the greatest stupid sh*t posted by 6forbrains. Right after 4 years of "Trump will win in a landslide!" Right after, "Clinton is a pedo..." right after...

We're witnessing Trumptard greatness.




Read the CDC numbers stupid.

If you can't read a graph, I don't know what to tell you, buddy.

I have a hard time communicating with people as stupid as you. Maybe you can have Marcos help you out there.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 9:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Only half of American adults want pending COVID-19 vaccine, poll finds. But experts estimate at least 70% of the U.S. population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, the point at which enough people are protected that the virus can be held in check.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/half-of-american-adults-want-covid-19-va
ccine-poll
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




Wrong.

Anybody who got it and isn't already dead is immune.

For those slow on the uptake, THAT'S A LOT OF IMMUNE PEOPLE.

0) If I Have Had COVID-19 Should I Get the Vaccine?

Yes. While individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19 do produce antibodies, the antibody levels and how long they last are not known.
www.houstonmethodist.org/coronavirus/vaccine-updates/

1) People who have tested positive for Covid-19 should still get the vaccine, doctor says

Dr. William Moss, an infectious disease pediatrician at Johns Hopkins University, encouraged anyone who has already tested positive for Covid-19 to get vaccinated once a vaccine becomes available.

“This too is a very important question, and it also is sometimes framed as, you know, if someone had Covid-19, should they get the vaccine, and the general recommendations now are yes,” Moss said during a John Hopkins webinar on Covid-19 vaccine distribution on Monday.

Moss said there have been different levels of immune responses, depending on the severity of the disease in the individual.

“People who have asymptomatic or very mild infections tend not to have as strong an antibody response as people who have been sicker. We certainly don't want that,” he said.

Moss added there is some potential that someone who has already tested positive for Covid-19 can produce a stronger antibody response once vaccinated. However, this is not the case for all vaccines, he said.
www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-07-20-intl/h_ebd22
c40721d2848f4d4aa0b84e1c6bc


2) If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine when it's available?

There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. Until we have a vaccine available and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices makes recommendations to CDC on how to best use COVID-19 vaccines, CDC cannot comment on whether people who had COVID-19 should get a COVID-19 vaccine.
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

3) "The general recommendation is to get the vaccine, even if you were previously infected," said Dr. David Thomas, a professor of medicine and director of the infectious diseases division at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. "There are some nuanced questions that we don't have the answer to yet, but from what we know now, it's the right call to get the vaccine."
www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/should-people-who-recovered-covid
-get-vaccinated-n1249766


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Only half of American adults want pending COVID-19 vaccine, poll finds. But experts estimate at least 70% of the U.S. population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, the point at which enough people are protected that the virus can be held in check.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/half-of-american-adults-want-covid-19-va
ccine-poll
/

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Wrong.

Anybody who got it and isn't already dead is immune.

For those slow on the uptake, THAT'S A LOT OF IMMUNE PEOPLE.

0) If I Have Had COVID-19 Should I Get the Vaccine?

Yes. While individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19 do produce antibodies, the antibody levels and how long they last are not known.
www.houstonmethodist.org/coronavirus/vaccine-updates/

1) People who have tested positive for Covid-19 should still get the vaccine, doctor says

Dr. William Moss, an infectious disease pediatrician at Johns Hopkins University, encouraged anyone who has already tested positive for Covid-19 to get vaccinated once a vaccine becomes available.

“This too is a very important question, and it also is sometimes framed as, you know, if someone had Covid-19, should they get the vaccine, and the general recommendations now are yes,” Moss said during a John Hopkins webinar on Covid-19 vaccine distribution on Monday.

Moss said there have been different levels of immune responses, depending on the severity of the disease in the individual.

“People who have asymptomatic or very mild infections tend not to have as strong an antibody response as people who have been sicker. We certainly don't want that,” he said.

Moss added there is some potential that someone who has already tested positive for Covid-19 can produce a stronger antibody response once vaccinated. However, this is not the case for all vaccines, he said.
www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-07-20-intl/h_ebd22
c40721d2848f4d4aa0b84e1c6bc


2) If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine when it's available?

There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. Until we have a vaccine available and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices makes recommendations to CDC on how to best use COVID-19 vaccines, CDC cannot comment on whether people who had COVID-19 should get a COVID-19 vaccine.
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

3) "The general recommendation is to get the vaccine, even if you were previously infected," said Dr. David Thomas, a professor of medicine and director of the infectious diseases division at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. "There are some nuanced questions that we don't have the answer to yet, but from what we know now, it's the right call to get the vaccine."
www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/should-people-who-recovered-covid
-get-vaccinated-n1249766


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FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

CEASELESS UNRELENTING FEAR!

FEAR IN THE MORNING, NOON AND NIGHT!

ALWAYS BE AFRAID!

NEVER THINK FOR YOURSELF AND TRUST THE MEDIA AND THE WHITE LAB COATS!

OBEY!

WE WILL PROTECT YOU IF YOU JUST DO AS YOU'RE TOLD!


FIFY

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh, and BTW...

Fuck your vaccine. Over my cold dead body.


We'll see who's fully loaded tool is more deadly if anybody ever dares try to make me get it too.


That's not a threat. It's a promise.




P.S.

How apropos that this was Post Number 1776 on this thread.




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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

CEASELESS UNRELENTING FEAR!

FEAR IN THE MORNING, NOON AND NIGHT!

ALWAYS BE AFRAID!

NEVER THINK FOR YOURSELF AND TRUST THE MEDIA AND THE WHITE LAB COATS!

OBEY!

WE WILL PROTECT YOU IF YOU JUST DO AS YOU'RE TOLD!


FIFY

Did you ever get a tetanus shot? It is a vaccination. You don't get it because of ceaseless unrelenting fear, but because you have goodsense, commonsense, informed self-preservation, etc. But if you don't have those character traits, you don't.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/tetanus-vaccine#1-3

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Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Tetanus shots weren't created out of thin air in a matter of months.

One of the existing vaccines that people will be shooting up shortly is exactly the same as it was when it was first created.

In January.

You may want to consider that when you're putting who the hell knows what into your veins.



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Friday, December 11, 2020 4:08 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Jack really went round the bed when he (briefly) understood that comorbidities have everything to do with death. And age doesn't have anything to do with it, except of course, that people tend to accumulate more comorbidities as they grow older.

And that inkling of fear needed to be squashed immediately by denying ever more reality. That looks like how he deals with his deepest anxieties, by being completely irrational.


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Friday, December 11, 2020 6:58 AM

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CDC’s Redfield told staff to delete email, official tells House watchdog
The instruction was revealed during an investigation into the Trump administration’s political interference at the public health agency.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/10/cdc-redfield-email-house-watc
hdog-444238


Redfield’s apparent instruction was revealed in a Monday closed-door interview with the House subcommittee probing the White House's coronavirus response, which includes the Trump administration’s interference at the federal public health agency. It came following an Aug. 8 email sent by Paul Alexander, who was then the scientific adviser to Health and Human Services spokesperson Michael Caputo, aiming to water down the CDC’s famed Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports to align with President Donald Trump’s efforts to downplay the virus.



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Friday, December 11, 2020 6:59 AM

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Fox anchor furious after Fox contributor notes that the show has been ignoring over 3,000 COVID-19 deaths yesterday
Fox anchor Harris Faulkner was upset after Marie Harf noted, “We haven't mentioned the 3,000 Americans that died yesterday, more than on 9/11”
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/fox-anchor-furious-a
fter-fox-contributor-notes-show-has-been-ignoring-over


Cringe. Careful, the hypocrisy is overwhelming.

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Friday, December 11, 2020 7:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Tetanus shots weren't created out of thin air in a matter of months.

One of the existing vaccines that people will be shooting up shortly is exactly the same as it was when it was first created.

In January.

You may want to consider that when you're putting who the hell knows what into your veins.

There is a newest tetanus shot, manufactured with methods never used before. Fear the vaccine, 6ix. Tremble at the unknown:

Chemically inactivated tetanus toxoid (CITT) is clinically effective and widely used. However, CITT is a crude nonmalleable vaccine that contains hundreds of Clostridium tetani proteins, and the active component is present in variable and sometimes minor percentages of vaccine mass. Recombinant production of a genetically inactivated tetanus vaccine offers an opportunity to replace and improve the current tetanus vaccine. Previous studies showed the feasibility of engineering full-length tetanus toxin (TT) in Escherichia coli. . . .

More at https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/4/e01668-20

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Friday, December 11, 2020 8:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's not fear of the vaccine.

It's a complete distrust of anyone behind it.

Maybe to help you in that regard, I'll remind you that it was very much put together during the Trump administration. (Not that this means anything, but it might... and TRUMP!)

But do what you will. It is, after all, a free country.

I hope it works out for you.




After four years of trashing him, the fact that CNN gives Trump credit and congratulates him for the vaccine doesn't make you take pause?





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Friday, December 11, 2020 9:31 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies, lies.



They didn't die? Or were they all killed in car accidents and all the hospitals got together and said, "Let's all make sure we call it Covid, ok? Just like we did yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that. And..."

This might be an all time high for the greatest stupid sh*t posted by 6forbrains. Right after 4 years of "Trump will win in a landslide!" Right after, "Clinton is a pedo..." right after...

We're witnessing Trumptard greatness.



I have a hard time communicating with people as stupid as you. Maybe you can have Marcos help you out there.




You have a hard time communicating because you're pushing a stupid premise that you can't back up or explain.

You're using CDC numbers to destroy CDC numbers. "Look at the CDC numbers from years ago!" and then "The CDC Covid death numbers are sh*t!"

The fact that dwad can't answer simple questions is an obvious tell. "They're calling everything COVID here."
Who is "they" you keep referring too? The CDC? All the hospitals treating Covid patients WORLWIDE?
Simple questions.

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Friday, December 11, 2020 9:50 AM

THG


Deaths___295,450___+2,970

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Friday, December 11, 2020 10:04 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies, lies.



They didn't die? Or were they all killed in car accidents and all the hospitals got together and said, "Let's all make sure we call it Covid, ok? Just like we did yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that. And..."

This might be an all time high for the greatest stupid sh*t posted by 6forbrains. Right after 4 years of "Trump will win in a landslide!" Right after, "Clinton is a pedo..." right after...

We're witnessing Trumptard greatness.



I have a hard time communicating with people as stupid as you. Maybe you can have Marcos help you out there.




You have a hard time communicating because you're pushing a stupid premise that you can't back up or explain.

You're using CDC numbers to destroy CDC numbers. "Look at the CDC numbers!" and then "The Covid death numbers are sh*t!"

The fact that dwad can't answer simple questions is obvious tell. "They're calling everything COVID here."
Who is "they" you keep referring too? The CDC? All the hospitals treating Covid patients WORLWIDE?
Simple questions.



Jack is clamming everything based in reality is fake. Therefore to him, the opposite must be true. There are only two explanations for this. One is, he is a true wack job. The other is, he has completely surrendered himself to the realm of troll. There is no rebounding back from either as far as credibility goes. His lack of empathy for those lost to this virus makes him something else as well. A piece of shit wack job/troll.

T



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Friday, December 11, 2020 10:39 AM

THG






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Friday, December 11, 2020 3:52 PM

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Trump to FDA: Either Approve Pfizer Vaccine Today Or Else You Are Fired!

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows on Friday told Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, to submit his resignation if the agency does not clear the nation’s first coronavirus vaccine by day’s end, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss what happened.

First of all, this accomplishes nothing. The FDA was apparently planning to finish the authorization by Saturday morning, so this speeds things up by only a few hours or so. Second, everyone knows that Donald Trump is pushing this because he’s convinced that Deep State agents in the FDA and the CDC deliberately slow-walked emergency approval until after the election so he wouldn’t get credit for it. Third, when all is said and done, US authorization will be a grand total of ten days behind Britain’s and ahead of practically everyone else. This is really not overwhelming evidence of slow work from American agencies.

On the other hand, it makes Trump look like a tough guy, even though he obviously waited to do anything until there was really nothing left to do. It’s a completely empty threat, and it comes after months of practically ignoring the COVID-19 pandemic at the federal level.

Is there a price to pay for this? Probably. Public confidence in the vaccine is important, and it’s already been shaken a bit by the report of allergic reactions in Britain. The best way to keep confidence high is to keep politicians out of it and let professionals do their job. The last thing we should do is give people who are already skeptical even more reason to wonder if the vaccine is being forced on them by glory-hound politicos.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/12/white-house-to-fda-appr
ove-pfizer-vaccine-or-else
/

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Friday, December 11, 2020 9:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Good luck with your vaccine everyone.

Hopefully you're still alive to catch the Told You So's from my bag.



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Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



You seem to have an endless supply of non-specified "I told you so's". But they don't work unless you told us SOMEthing beside some idiotic prediction you're going to say "I told you so".

So - what's you're prediction?

We're all going to die from *the* vaccine --- BTW of which there are 2 close to distribution, one a bit behind, and 6 more being tested. So WHICH vaccine are YOU babbling about?

It won't work?

It WILL work?

What's you prediction?


JACK.

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Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:03 AM

THG


Deaths___298,904___+3,454

Three hundred thousand dead in 10 months. Big republican fuck up, huge Trump fuck up. All of which came about because morons like Jack follow Trump blindly and never pushed back when he is fucking up.





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Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

You seem to have an endless supply of non-specified "I told you so's". But they don't work unless you told us SOMEthing beside some idiotic prediction you're going to say "I told you so".

So - what's you're prediction?

We're all going to die from *the* vaccine --- BTW of which there are 2 close to distribution, one a bit behind, and 6 more being tested. So WHICH vaccine are YOU babbling about?

It won't work?

It WILL work?

What's you prediction?


JACK.



My prediction is that you're going to end up regretting taking it. Any of them. And even if only one of them has negative consequences than I was right.

I don't need to be any more specific than that.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Saturday, December 12, 2020 11:51 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

You seem to have an endless supply of non-specified "I told you so's". But they don't work unless you told us SOMEthing beside some idiotic prediction you're going to say "I told you so".

So - what's you're prediction?

We're all going to die from *the* vaccine --- BTW of which there are 2 close to distribution, one a bit behind, and 6 more being tested. So WHICH vaccine are YOU babbling about?

It won't work?

It WILL work?

What's you prediction?


JACK.



My prediction is that you're going to end up regretting taking it. Any of them. And even if only one of them has negative consequences than I was right.

I don't need to be any more specific than that.




Not surprising that your prediction makes no sense. Which is it? Kiki is going to regret getting vaccinated? Or that there will be negative consequences for people taking ANY of the vaccines? If it's the latter, that's already happened and happens for ANY/EVERY vaccine.

BTW - How many people post under this username?

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Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My prediction is that you're going to end up regretting taking it. Any of them. And even if only one of them has negative consequences than I was right.

I don't need to be any more specific than that.

Although the numbers appear to have improved since drugmakers Pfizer and Moderna reported their impressive trial results last month, about 40 percent of Americans tell poll takers they don’t plan to get a COVID-19 vaccine. In Texas, only 42 percent say they will.

Public health officials fear such numbers will hinder the campaign to shut down the greatest scourge since the 1918 Spanish influenza.

At stake is a possible squandering of the chance to get COVID-19 under control by late summer, to save countless lives that will be lost the longer it takes to stop the spread of the virus. Also at stake is an increased potential for a more lethal or contagious strain of the virus to emerge, always a threat as long as an infection continues to circulate.

“The hesitancy is bad for getting the population vaccinated to obtain herd or community immunity, which would allow for activities to become normal again,” said Kirstin Matthews, a fellow in science and technology policy at Rice University’s Baker Institute. “The Biden administration will need to find ways to gain public trust in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and FDA to ensure communities take the vaccine.”

A national task force led by Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and Texas State University’s anthropology department added that “if poorly designed and executed, a COVID-19 vaccine campaign in the U.S. could undermine the increasingly tenuous belief in vaccines and public health authorities who recommend them, especially among people most at risk of COVID-19 impacts.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/CO
VID-19-vaccine-resistance-imperils-immunity-push-15796606.php


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Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:53 AM

THG


Deaths___301,278___+2,374

And here it is, very sad.




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Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK




What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

You seem to have an endless supply of non-specified "I told you so's". But they don't work unless you told us SOMEthing beside some idiotic prediction you're going to say "I told you so".

So - what's you're prediction?

We're all going to die from *the* vaccine --- BTW of which there are 2 close to distribution, one a bit behind, and 6 more being tested. So WHICH vaccine are YOU babbling about?

It won't work?

It WILL work?

What's you prediction?


JACK.



My prediction is that you're going to end up regretting taking it. Any of them. And even if only one of them has negative consequences than I was right.

I don't need to be any more specific than that.




Not surprising that your prediction makes no sense. Which is it? Kiki is going to regret getting vaccinated? Or that there will be negative consequences for people taking ANY of the vaccines? If it's the latter, that's already happened and happens for ANY/EVERY vaccine.

BTW - How many people post under this username?




Good. You've got it all worked out then.

Have fun. Good luck.



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Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My prediction is that you're going to end up regretting taking it. Any of them. And even if only one of them has negative consequences than I was right.

I don't need to be any more specific than that.

Although the numbers appear to have improved since drugmakers Pfizer and Moderna reported their impressive trial results last month, about 40 percent of Americans tell poll takers they don’t plan to get a COVID-19 vaccine. In Texas, only 42 percent say they will.

Public health officials fear such numbers will hinder the campaign to shut down the greatest scourge since the 1918 Spanish influenza.

At stake is a possible squandering of the chance to get COVID-19 under control by late summer, to save countless lives that will be lost the longer it takes to stop the spread of the virus. Also at stake is an increased potential for a more lethal or contagious strain of the virus to emerge, always a threat as long as an infection continues to circulate.

“The hesitancy is bad for getting the population vaccinated to obtain herd or community immunity, which would allow for activities to become normal again,” said Kirstin Matthews, a fellow in science and technology policy at Rice University’s Baker Institute. “The Biden administration will need to find ways to gain public trust in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and FDA to ensure communities take the vaccine.”

A national task force led by Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and Texas State University’s anthropology department added that “if poorly designed and executed, a COVID-19 vaccine campaign in the U.S. could undermine the increasingly tenuous belief in vaccines and public health authorities who recommend them, especially among people most at risk of COVID-19 impacts.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/CO
VID-19-vaccine-resistance-imperils-immunity-push-15796606.php


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Nope.

It's a 50/50 split. That number hasn't changed.

Good thing people have built up natural immunity and most people won't need the shots. Because we're not taking them, and fuck any mandates.



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