Some Covid-19 thoughts by captaincrunch

Deaths

421,330

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 9:15 AM

Nope.

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:04 PM

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China overtook the U.S. as the world’s top destination for new foreign direct investment last year, as the COVID-19 pandemic amplifies an eastward shift in the center of gravity of the global economy.

New investments by overseas businesses into the U.S., which for decades held the No. 1 spot, fell 49% in 2020, according to U.N. figures released Sunday, as the country struggled to curb the spread of the new coronavirus and economic output slumped.

China, long ranked No. 2, saw direct investments by foreign companies climb 4%, the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development said. Beijing used strict lockdowns to largely contain COVID-19 after the disease first emerged in a central Chinese city, and China’s gross domestic product grew even as most other major economies contracted last year.

The 2020 investment numbers underline China’s move toward the center of a global economy long dominated by the U.S. — a shift accelerated during the pandemic as China has cemented its position as the world’s factory floor and expanded its share of global trade.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-leapfrogs-u-s-to-become-worlds
-no-1-destination-for-foreign-direct-investment-11611519119

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 8:12 PM

Bill Clinton's plan for Chinese world dominance is almost complete.

All we need now is for Biden to make environmental regulations so strict here that nobody would think of investing in American businesses and then everything the entire world uses will be made by 12 year old Chinese kids that work 80 hour weeks and go outside and choke on the Steven King-esque wall of smog outside after they punch out.

But keep on buying all that shit you don't need and pretending you give one single shit about the environment.

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Sunday, January 24, 2021 10:33 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Bill Clinton's plan for Chinese world dominance is almost complete.

All we need now is for Biden to make environmental regulations so strict here that nobody would think of investing in American businesses and then everything the entire world uses will be made by 12 year old Chinese kids that work 80 hour weeks and go outside and choke on the Steven King-esque wall of smog outside after they punch out.

But keep on buying all that shit you don't need and pretending you give one single shit about the environment.

The Chinese (on Taiwan and the Mainland) had a big Covid-19 problem and they fixed it. Back in America, lazy old Trump said there was a small Covid-19 problem. The result was that the two Chinese run economies are doing better than ever because they handled their problem and slowed down their pandemic, while the American pandemic is running faster and faster and the American economy is running slowly and erratically.

Meanwhile, the Chinese have 42,700,000 big plans listed by google to reduce CO2 emissions and America has no plans that can get past the GOP Senators and their filibustering. Who do you think will be more prosperous? The Chinese who are working hard on their future? Or the Trumptards complaining that the Chinese are working too hard at making stuff?
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+are+chinese+plans+for+reducing+co
2+emissions

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Monday, January 25, 2021 2:51 AM

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Fauci and Birx tell interviewers about the 'nonsense' of the Trump years

Fauci said Trump sometimes called him to "express disappointment in me that I was not being more positive," and Trump surrounded himself "with people saying things that didn't make any scientific sense," but he always felt it was better to stay at his post rather than resign. "I always felt that if I did walk away, the skunk at the picnic would no longer be at the picnic," Fauci said. "Even if I wasn't very effective in changing everybody's minds, the idea that they knew that nonsense could not be spouted without my pushing back on it, I felt was important."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/media/fauci-brix-trump-reliable-sources
/index.html

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Monday, January 25, 2021 2:51 AM

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Anti-vaccine activists peddle theories that Covid-19 shots are deadly, undermining vaccination

In some cases, anti-vaccine activists are fabricating stories of deaths that never occurred.

Now, the same groups are blaming patients' coincidental medical problems on covid shots, even when it's clear that age or underlying health conditions are to blame, Hotez said. "They will sensationalize anything that happens after someone gets a vaccine and attribute it to the vaccine," Hotez said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/health/anti-vaccine-theories-undermine-
vaccination/index.html

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Monday, January 25, 2021 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by second:
The Chinese (on Taiwan and the Mainland) had a big Covid-19 problem and they fixed it.

Yup. They fixed it by having a government run media that lied to their own citizens and the rest of the world every step of the way.

Don't worry buddy. Democrats in America are working on making that the way we do business here. Once we have the Ministry of Truth installed and zero ability to say anything online that is against the narrative, we can fix non-fatal pandemic numbers once and for all and pretend that everybody is in agreement with what the media says since nobody will be able to voice their opinions otherwise.

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Monday, January 25, 2021 9:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Chinese (on Taiwan and the Mainland) had a big Covid-19 problem and they fixed it.

Yup. They fixed it by having a government run media that lied to their own citizens and the rest of the world every step of the way.

Don't worry buddy. Democrats in America are working on making that the way we do business here. Once we have the Ministry of Truth installed and zero ability to say anything online that is against the narrative, we can fix non-fatal pandemic numbers once and for all and pretend that everybody is in agreement with what the media says since nobody will be able to voice their opinions otherwise.

Don't be an asshole about this. The Chinese in Taiwan got control of their pandemic. The results are that few died, or even sickened, and the economy didn't go into recession. How exactly was Taiwan different than America? Taiwan didn't goof off or pretend covid-19 is no problem. Today's news:

Taiwan to put 5,000 into quarantine over hospital COVID-19 cluster

TAIPEI (Reuters) - Taiwan will more than double the number of people who have to quarantine at home to more than 5,000 as it seeks to contain a rare domestic cluster of COVID-19 connected to a hospital, the health minister said on Sunday.

While Taiwan has kept the pandemic well under control thanks to early and effective prevention, with the large majority of its 890 infections imported cases, it has since Jan. 12 been dealing with a small number of domestic transmissions at a hospital.

While the 15 people infected so far at the hospital in the northern city of Taoyuan is small compared to many other parts of the world, it has unnerved the government, which has cancelled many large-scale events related to the upcoming Lunar New Year.

Health Minister Chen Shih-chung told reporters that they will expand the number of people who have to quarantine at home for 14 days who may have had contact with the infected patients from the hospital cluster.

He put the number at about 5,000 people, compared to around 1,300 who are currently in quarantine.

The government has been testing all of those who have been in quarantine, and has been announcing new cases amongst them as they are confirmed.

Taiwan has a well-honed system to track those who have been in contact with confirmed cases and an electronic monitoring network to ensure those in quarantine remain at home.

Despite the new infections, Taiwan only has 95 active cases being treated in hospital. The government holds news conferences to announce details of every new infection.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan/taiwan-to
-put-5000-into-quarantine-over-hospital-covid-19-cluster-idUSKBN29T0CN

There are millions of similar articles at https://www.google.com/search?q=taiwan+covid

Compared to Taiwan, America does next to nothing and the result is that America has the crappy economy and high illness/deaths to be expected from doing close to nothing, except once the American sick are in the ICU, the hospitals go into high gear because of the money to be made. Capitalism in the medical industry is great, is it not?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 25, 2021 10:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The countries that brought SARS-CoV-2 under control swiftly and that have extremely low per capita deaths were the countries that had had experience with the original SARS. And that includes China, and Taiwan - along with Vietnam, Macau, and Hong Kong.

But those are communist countries and their data is highly suspect! you'll say.

Except the list of countries that brought SARS-CoV-2 under swift control also includes NZ(<1 per100k), Singapore(<1), SK(2.6), Australia (3.5), Japan(4), Iceland(8), and Norway(10); compared to Sweden(108) and the US(128).

Not everybody is lying, and not all figures are fake. There might be some blurring around the edges, but you can't mistake the US(128) for NZ(<1).

figures are to date: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:02 AM

Had Hillary been president last year, the numbers would be very different and nothing would have been shut down. Our media is lying just as much as China's media is lying.

The only fallout that Biden has to deal with now is the tail end of a virus "threat" that never actually was.

Gotta try to put that shit back in the horse now is all.

Or not. Maybe they decided they like how things are going now.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:54 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

In terms of total deaths per 100K, going from highest to lowest, with representative examples, it's:

Belgium(180)
Slovenia(160)
UK(148)
Czechia
Italy
Bosnia + Herzegovina
N Macedonia
US(127)
Bulgaria
Moldova
Peru(123)
Hungary
Panama
Croatia/ Spain(118)
Mexico
France
Sweden
Switzerland(106)

and so on.

Certainly there are plenty of very high numbers from around the globe. So high numbers aren't unheard of. Do you think ALL stats everywhere are entirely fictional? Or just the US?

numbers to date from http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 8:32 AM

They're all fictional.

People are being paid to call other deaths Covid Deaths. Greed certainly makes that job quite easy since most can be paid off.

Then there is always threatening somebody with their nice cushy job and letting them know they're going to lose the lifestyle they've become accustomed to, their kids won't go to those pricey colleges without enslaving them to debt for life, they will probably end up divorced and cut off from their current circle of friends when they've got to go work at WalMart.

For any new hires, let's say in the last 20 years or so, they've been informed that they signed various NDAs when they signed on to their current job, and not only will they lose their jobs and never be hireable in the only sector they're qualified to work in, but they'll be sued into oblivion if they open their mouth.

If you think that Healthcare is any different from any other corporation out there, you're greatly mistaken. They're being stuffed to the gills with cash over all of this.

"Just shut the fuck up and write Covid-19 in the cause of death spot".

And forget about other countries. Even the "free" ones aren't free. Nobody else has the US Constitution. And besides that, with how we've meddled in the affairs of the rest of the world since the 1950's, I don't think we're garnering any sympathy from anybody when our alleged death toll is twice that of the next country.

We just need a Snowden on this one. Somebody who is willing to lose everything to tell the truth.

But the problem is, the media would immediately call them a Russian Spy, or a Conspiracy QAnon nut, or dig up something they did in their past to discredit them. Or maybe simply choose not to cover it at all. It is possible that several people have come forward, but nobody knows that they have. They've lost everything, all for nothing. Maybe they even Epsteined themselves. They almost certainly did. Don't need loose ends out there with a huge chip on their shoulder now, do we?

Oh... and those suicides would, of course, be "Covid Related" deaths.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 8:43 AM

Oh, and at the end of the day, if every single Covid-19 death were somehow not bullshit, the listed known cases in the US now stands at 25,298,405... with the deaths at 421,239.

That's 1.66%. That's only 4 times higher than your seasonal flu. The human race didn't do too shabby fighting off a brand new Chinese manufactured virus without any previous immunity or any help from needles.

And there's still the possibility that 10 times as many people have it, meaning that well over 2/3rds of the country might have already gotten past it without any outside help.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That's 16X higher than your seasonal flu.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:03 PM

Is it then? Even still, not bad considering it was "novel" and we had zero defense against it, compared to the "seasonal" flu that we all have some resistance to, assuming we're healthy.

Since I don't buy any of the numbers in the first place though, it's not even worth comparing at all.

I'm not going to get back into arguments with you about any of this. You're free to have your own opinion on this mess, and I'll do the same. You're never going to change my mind on any of it, and I'm sure that I'd never be able to change yours either.

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 7:40 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

For the next few months of the vaccines’ rollout, we face a classic economics problem: too much demand and not enough supply. But in a few months, we will have the opposite economic problem: too much supply and not enough demand. Back in December only 42 percent of Texans indicated they would sign up to get a vaccine. If a large plurality of Texans and Americans decline to get it, we may be unable to achieve the 80 percent herd immunity that public health experts say is necessary to stop the pandemic.

How would an economist solve that problem? I asked economist Robert Litan of the Brookings Institution, who says we should pay people a lot to get the vaccine.

“I think if you tell people $1,000, and then especially for a family of four — that’s $4,000 — you’re talking real money. And I think at $1,000 you could get (anti-vaccine) people to switch,” Litan said.

He also proposed that all citizens would be given, say, $200 upfront, with a promise of the other $800 when the United States achieved 80 percent vaccination.

As Litan explained: “So what that does is it gives tremendous incentives to tell your friends, whether in real life or on social media, to go out and get the shot, because then we can all get the money.”

I love his idea. It would get us to herd immunity fast. It uses “market incentives” as a carrot to induce desired behavior. The $300 billion or so it would cost would be a lot cheaper than the massive and complicated federal bailouts we’ve already resorted to.

Medical ethicists, however, hate this idea. Although small payments would be appropriate for the sake of convenience — such as transportation or a snack —the large payments suggested by Litan would be considered coercive. It is apparently not OK to ask people to choose between not putting something in their body and taking a payment of $1,000. So there are ethical limits to applying an economic or markets perspective to the conundrum of vaccine rollout.

More at www.expressnews.com/business/business_columnists/michael_taylor/articl
e/Taylor-Thank-government-for-COVID-19-vaccines-15884247.php

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
For the next few months of the vaccines’ rollout, we face a classic economics problem: too much demand and not enough supply. But in a few months, we will have the opposite economic problem: too much supply and not enough demand. Back in December only 42 percent of Texans indicated they would sign up to get a vaccine. If a large plurality of Texans and Americans decline to get it, we may be unable to achieve the 80 percent herd immunity that public health experts say is necessary to stop the pandemic.

Wrong. It's already quite possible that 60 to 70% of Americans have already gotten it and recovered from it.

You take your shots. The rest of us will be fine.

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:30 AM

rezident owtsidr

If the virus keeps outrunning the vaccine, there will be 5,000,000 fatalityz in the US befor everybody got it.

That iz unless a major chunk uv the population alredy got infected and didnt notis AND either gained long term immunity or maintain the same rezistans that kept them form getting sik the 1st time.

Unfortunately the evidens iznt pointing that way.

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:35 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
If the virus keeps outrunning the vaccine, there will be 5,000,000 fatalityz in the US befor everybody got it.

That iz unless a major chunk uv the population alredy got infected and didnt notis AND either gained long term immunity or maintain the same rezistans that kept them form getting sik the 1st time.

Unfortunately the evidens iznt pointing that way.

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Everybody ain't going to get it, so hopefully this virus behaves like every other virus and didn't come from space. Otherwise, hide your kids... hide your wife...

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:36 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Wrong. It's already quite possible that 60 to 70% of Americans have already gotten it and recovered from it.

You take your shots. The rest of us will be fine.

The highest number I can find is only 33%, not your bogus 70%. Why not go with 99% have recovered, if you're making up numbers? That would fit in very nicely with your other prediction: that the media would certainly stop reporting on covid-19 immediately after the election.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/data-shows-one-third-of-americans-could-
have-covid-19-immunity/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 11:05 AM

Deaths

440,880

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 11:29 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

COVID-19 variants will soon outnumber original strain, Fauci says — CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-press-conference-watch-live-stre
am-today-2021-01-29/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a

BTW
Too many dead video links in this thread

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: There will probably be a slight rise in deaths outside of NYC after things open back up. Then it will level off, then it will decline.

There are guys here on fireflyfans who constantly had 'BANNED' videos

Piratesnews was one who was constantly censored for thoughts, seems youre another and i guess so is anyone who doesnt post the mainstream media narrative
They even banned a President from speaking

I would suggest not to post youtube links

Most of them seem to be blocked or adult rated or banned after 1 week

or at least back them up from another sites link such as a mirror on dailymotion, rumble, bitchute, vimeo etc

Vidlii was a youtube alt going way back but now Most of vidliis original community moved over to other sites ... maybe twitter or parler or 4chan?

Gab I think is also hosting pics and vids, LBRY about to crack the top 5000 websites
There is also bittube.tv

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Originally posted by THG:
Deaths

440,880

Trump might have said some ridiculous things and done stupid tweets, but America was not the worst

If you combine all of Great Britain with the combined countries of the European Union

You get a figure of 543,000 + Deaths, that is higher than United States of America's numbers

That's not to say America's numbers are not bad, they are terrible, the death rates are also very high alongside Europe and Central America

The virus has an incredible ability to spread , it went rapidly through a French military Aircraft Carrier, even far way places like Fiji islands, Guam, Malta, Iceland, Alaska and other distant places have been hit by the virus, maybe the only place it has yet to reach is some reseach place at the South Pole or maybe a space station

South Korea, Australia, China, Japan, New Zealand and some Oceania and islands are some fo the few places that have done a good job at stopping the virus although I would not trust China's media numbers.

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:24 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
U.S. could face 200,000 coronavirus deaths, millions of cases, Fauci warns

COVID-19: Life won't return to normal for at least two years, expert warns, saying pandemic 'isn't over until it's over globally'
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-life-wont-return-to-normal-for-at-
least-two-years-expert-warns-saying-pandemic-isnt-over-until-its-over-globally-12203057

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:46 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

'Lockdowns do not work:' Gov. DeSantis says state prioritizing jobs following White House shutdown recommendation

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/regional/florida/gov-desan
tis-holds-news-conference-at-florida-state-capitol/77-b20fe193-d193-4615-8b10-7eb7176b74ac

Governor Hogan Announces South African COVID-19 Variant Identified in Maryland

https://governor.maryland.gov/2021/01/30/governor-hogan-announces-sout
h-african-covid-19-variant-identified-in-maryland/

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 6:02 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Wrong. It's already quite possible that 60 to 70% of Americans have already gotten it and recovered from it.

You take your shots. The rest of us will be fine.
The highest number I can find is only 33%, not your bogus 70%. Why not go with 99% have recovered, if you're making up numbers? That would fit in very nicely with your other prediction: that the media would certainly stop reporting on covid-19 immediately after the election.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/data-shows-one-third-of-americans-could-
have-covid-19-immunity/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Since the beginning it's always been estimated that the amount of undiagnosed cases is as many as 8 to 10 times what they have on record.

Not my problem if your agenda driven "news" sources are altering numbers to keep you terrified.

At 10 times, far more than 2/3rds of the country has already had Covid and recovered from it before the first needle got stuck in an arm.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:08 PM

Prepare for these fuckers...

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Now, at some point we will run into the problem of people being unable or unwilling to get the vaccine. It will be a good idea to set up free clinics in impoverished or isolated locations, and it may be necessary to require people to be vaccinated before their children can go to school, or before they can return to work. But quite soon even young, healthy people will be able to get their shot, the fear of you or your loved ones facing a horrible death will ease up, and as cases keep falling, Americans will be able to carefully return to normal life.

https://theweek.com/articles/963854/dont-look-now-but-vaccines-might-j
ust-end-pandemic

Good luck with that, buddy.

I won't say what's going to happen, but you are not going to like the results if such actions actually are taken.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 8:37 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
U.S. could face 200,000 coronavirus deaths, millions of cases, Fauci warns

Well, that's obviously an outdated number, since the US blew past 200,000 deaths a long time ago, is over 450,000 as of this post (WorldOMeter 452,291), and will (I predict) be well over 500,000 before the end of the month!

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
COVID-19: Life won't return to normal for at least two years, expert warns, saying pandemic 'isn't over until it's over globally'
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-life-wont-return-to-normal-for-at-
least-two-years-expert-warns-saying-pandemic-isnt-over-until-its-over-globally-12203057

I agree with that statement.

The good news is, the same thing was true of smallpox - which has been globally eradicated; and is true of polio - which is on its way to being globally eradicated. And SARS-CoV-2 is very much like both those viruses, because none of them have a host reservoir in wild animals.

That makes it very much different from influenza, which is endemic in wild and domestic bird populations (it's theorized the 1917-18 pandemic was brought on the wings of Arctic geese), and in pig populations; and either of those can spread influenza to humans, OR act as recombinant vessels for avian-mammalian influenza which can then spread to humans. That's why flu can't be eradicated - to eradicate influenza globally, one would need to eradicate all strains in all birds and all pigs everywhere, wild and domestic, as well as humans.

So SARS-CoV-2 can at least in theory be wiped off the face of the planet. And it just depends how important that goal is and whether or not resources will be dedicated to accomplish it.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 9:13 AM

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Monday, February 1, 2021 9:42 AM

It will never be over. There's near zero ROI to shutting down the entire planet on the off chance that it could be. The only reason we haven't felt the brunt of our actions is that we still have printing presses that can make more monopoly money without a real care.

But what happens when the next bubble bursts during this bullshit worldwide shutdown? What do you suppose life would be like right now if we were hit with the dot com burst or the housing and DOW crash of 2008/2009?

The only thing scary about Covid is the ceaseless Legacy Media coverage of it.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 5:29 PM

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There's near zero ROI to shutting down the entire planet on the off chance that it could be.

Smallpox, which was eradicated; and polio, which is near eradication; were addressed with vaccinations, not by 'shutting things down'.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 5:59 PM

Well good luck then. May it never morph into something your dog gets, and may the fact that a ton of us are never going to take the vaccines not ruin your hopes.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 6:42 PM

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Smallpox and polio were deeply feared even though the infection rates and death rates were extremely small compared to COVID-19.

For example "In the United States, the 1952 polio epidemic was the worst outbreak in the nation's history, and is credited with heightening parents’ fears of the disease and focusing public awareness on the need for a vaccine.[24] Of the 57,628 cases reported that year 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis." (WIKI)

In 1920 the US had a significant smallpox outbreak of roughly 111,000 cases. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102664/smallpox-cases-in-the-unit
ed-states/ with a case fatality rate of roughly 30% https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/smallpox , for a calculated number of 33,300 deaths.

I believe so much fear was evoked because survivors carried permanent effects like paralysis and severe scarring, including blindness due to eyeball scars. Nobody wanted to live the rest of their life in an iron lung, or scarred and blind.

The worst affected COVID-19 patients die and disappear. They don't serve as a reminder of what COVID-19 does to you. And while survivors can struggle with immediate after-effects, their struggle is invisible. And it'll take years before we grasp the long-term outcomes on hearts, lungs, kidneys, brains, etc. It'll be years before we see cardiac cripples rolling on wheelchairs with oxygen hooked up because their hearts can't sustain normal activity (for example), or pulmonary cripples, and look at them and think 'yes, that's another victim of COVID-19'.

In any case, it remains true that COVID-19 CAN be eradicated, like other select other viral diseases without an environmental reservoir, through vaccination.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 6:56 PM

I'm not getting vaccinated. Neither are tens of millions of other people in America alone.

End of story.

Hope it still works out for you though.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:The good news is, the same thing was true of smallpox - which has been globally eradicated; and is true of polio - which is on its way to being globally eradicated. And SARS-CoV-2 is very much like both those viruses, because none of them have a host reservoir in wild animals.

Not true.

Cats and dogz being infected with C19 hav alredy been reported. And it suppozedly came from bats via pangolinz.

I am pretty sure its in the racoonz around my house. The few that hav shown up on my porch this winter ate little or nothing. I woct wun sniff at a cookie and leav! Racoonz, like many animalz, will not eat sumthing they cant smell. Lak uv taste and smell iz a common symptom uv C19.

Usually during the winter on warmer dayz the racoonz will be on my porch gobbling up the dog food and cookiez I put out for them to replenish their hibernation fat. I suspect many uv them may be ded now.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:12 AM

They haven't repaid you for your kindness by getting into your house or garage and destroying it?

Don't tell your neighbors that you feed the raccoons, and keep that on the DL. Because if they're not trashing your place, they're trashing somebody else's.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:41 AM

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I'm not getting vaccinated. Neither are tens of millions of other people in America alone.

End of story.

Hope it still works out for you though.

That's OK, Jack, The planet doesn't need your participation, and your denial is of no importance.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:47 AM

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Cats and dogz being infected with C19 hav alredy been reported. And it suppozedly came from bats via pangolinz.

Well, where SARS-CoV-2 came from is all a matter of "supposedly" to this very day. Nobody knows, or admits to knowing, and fingers are pointing everywhere.
When it comes to animals, the question isn't 'can they get it' but 'can they infect people'. Most animals have lungs that are too small to cause any serious level of infection, for the same reason children don't seem to infect adults all that much (which, I admit, like a lot of things about the virus needs confirmation). So one would have to be very stupid with animals - lots of close contact - before one catches a virus.
That said, when it comes to the original SARS and MERS, some people are very stupid with animals.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:45 AM

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:54 AM

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I'm not getting vaccinated. Neither are tens of millions of other people in America alone.

End of story.

Hope it still works out for you though.
That's OK, Jack, The planet doesn't need your participation, and your denial is of no importance.

You say that as if I'm only one person.

lol

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Cats and dogz being infected with C19 hav alredy been reported. And it suppozedly came from bats via pangolinz.
Well, where SARS-CoV-2 came from is all a matter of "supposedly" to this very day. Nobody knows, or admits to knowing, and fingers are pointing everywhere.
When it comes to animals, the question isn't 'can they get it' but 'can they infect people'. Most animals have lungs that are too small to cause any serious level of infection, for the same reason children don't seem to infect adults all that much (which, I admit, like a lot of things about the virus needs confirmation). So one would have to be very stupid with animals - lots of close contact - before one catches a virus.
That said, when it comes to the original SARS and MERS, some people are very stupid with animals.

I'm going to guess that Kiki is a cat lady and not much of a dog lover.

Is the next step in your impossible Covid eradication to start punishing dogs for being good dogs?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 12:49 PM

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I'm not getting vaccinated. Neither are tens of millions of other people in America alone.

End of story.

Hope it still works out for you though.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That's OK, Jack, The planet doesn't need your participation, and your denial is of no importance.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You say that as if I'm only one person.

lol

No I say that you don't really matter - and btw you're not leading or following a 'revolution'.

The people who want to get vaccinated and can get vaccinated will be vaccinated. They'll be protected for the most part. After that one of 2 things will happen:
1) global herd immunity will be reached, and the epidemic will be stopped
2) global herd immunity will NOT be reached and the epidemic will become endemic, and more and more people will slowly become infected, and immune, but at the cost of more deaths and disability; and the virus will continue to mutate, perhaps making previous immunity less meaningful.

I'm guessing we'll see endemic SARS-CoV-2, globally, speaking.

That puts us at the level of smallpox and polio.

And sooner or later, enough people will become acquainted PERSONALLY with the medical effects of COVID-19 on themselves, their families, and their communities. Only when enough people PERSONALLY see enough of a problem will it become an issue.

And that's when the real vaccination effort can begin, and the globe will move to eradication.

In the meantime, have fun with non-existent COVID-19!

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:02 PM

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Cats and dogz being infected with C19 hav alredy been reported. And it suppozedly came from bats via pangolinz.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, where SARS-CoV-2 came from is all a matter of "supposedly" to this very day. Nobody knows, or admits to knowing, and fingers are pointing everywhere.
When it comes to animals, the question isn't 'can they get it' but 'can they infect people'. Most animals have lungs that are too small to cause any serious level of infection, for the same reason children don't seem to infect adults all that much (which, I admit, like a lot of things about the virus needs confirmation). So one would have to be very stupid with animals - lots of close contact - before one catches a virus.
That said, when it comes to the original SARS and MERS, some people are very stupid with animals.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm going to guess that Kiki is a cat lady and not much of a dog lover.
Is the next step in your impossible Covid eradication to start punishing dogs for being good dogs?

Jeeze you're an awfully bitter and bilious old man!

I like dogs just fine. I even like coyotes and spent many weeks defending them against the people in my community who wanted to go around with guns shooting at them; and pointing out that coyotes were HERE because they got burned-out THERE - in the Bobcat fire.

When it comes to JO's post, I was ONLY addressing the point that wild animals might become a reservoir for human infection.

I made zero comments about the raccoons JO feeds - which btw you have an obvious hatred for. And I made zero comments because I have no way of knowing what's going on with those raccoons. They may be really well fed, they may be fine but the air might have been too cold and the cookies too dry for them to smell, they could have gotten into rat poison, or caught either cat or dog distemper ... there are too many possibilities for me to assume they have COVID-19, or anything at all.

I'm guessing you're not either a cat lover OR a dog lover? Considering you have no pets at all and you hate 'coons?

Why do you hate cats and dogs so much, Jack?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:47 PM

You judge people for being "stupid" with their pets.

You've obviously never owned a dog before. I love dogs. Cats make shitty pets for lazy people.

Fuck raccoons.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:11 PM

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All my nayborz no I feed the racoonz. Been feeding them for 28 yirz. Possumz also show up and occasionally skunks will venture into the yard.

During the day, its squirrelz, chipmunks and birdz.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:15 PM

They're giving birth to the babies in somebody's house or garage. Maybe it's the next block over.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:30 PM

Covid lung. Remember folks it only takes a few weeks for this to happen. Best guess...

T

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Most animals have lungs that are too small to cause any serious level of infection

A likely reazon the variants are more infectious iz that they are able to survive outside a body longer. That meanz the 6 ft rule bekumzz the 12 ft rule, then 24 then a mile.

It never made much sens to me. Being down wind uv an infected person iz the danjer. And indoorz, forget it!

Breth volume iz a likely factor, but how much airborne virus duz it take?

Suppoze the virus mutates so it can liv indefinitely in the air. You coud catch it from a wisp uv breth from a sparrow a mile away.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:39 PM

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Covid lung. Remember folks it only takes a few weeks for this to happen. Best guess...

T

Horrible! Totally non nonheinous!

A side note - can you imajin trying to explain to and alien why you can show such grizzly piks in the media, but a bare female nipple will get you in big trouble.

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