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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just look around here and consider JSF vs. Second, Ted and JO.

They all believe whatever their respective outlets tell them at any given time, no questions asked. No brain power exerted.

And Ted is a complete idiot, with JO probably being a genius and Second falling somewhere in between. It's not just the stupid people who are responsible for this. Even really smart people love shutting off the ole' noggin once in a while and letting other people do the thinking for them.

What better place to let your brain take much needed vacation from the everyday stresses of life than your very own echo chamber that you've wrapped around yourself like a warm blanket.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Cristiano Ronaldo's sister hospitalised with pneumonia from Covid-19 after calling disease ‘the biggest fraud I’ve ever seen’

https://www.rt.com/sport/530399-ronaldo-sister-covid-19/

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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From now on, everyone working for the federal government will be asked for their vaccine papers and all undocumented federal workers and contractors “will be required to wear a mask on the job no matter their geographic location, physically distance from all other employees and visitors, comply with a weekly or twice weekly screening testing requirement, and be subject to restrictions on official travel.” If you think these are draconian measures, you are right, and that is precisely the point. In a moment of candor, “Biden aides” admitted to their friends at CNN that the goal “is to render being unvaccinated so burdensome that those who haven’t received shots will have little choice other than to get them.”

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The White House had previously indicated it would support private companies' decisions to mandate Covid-19 vaccinations, but Biden took it a step further on Thursday, saying that he'd like to see companies, states and schools move in the direction of requiring Covid-19 vaccination.

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Las Vegas casino worker and father of 5 dies from COVID-19, texts fiancée: 'I should have gotten the damn vaccine'
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TED:
Las Vegas casino worker and father of 5 dies from COVID-19, texts fiancée: 'I should have gotten the damn vaccine'

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You, uh, happy that someone died?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So is everybody just going to ignore the fact that the Biden* administration is going to try forcing through a vaccine mandate without officially forcing through a vaccine mandate?

It's still going to be a Constitutional crisis on his hands no matter how they try to spin it.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test

Just yesterday, we discussed the censoring of a commentator by Twitter for merely expressing an opinion over the need for a “pause” on any federal mandates on Covid-19 as new research is studied.

Now, a former New York Times science reporter, Alex Berenson, has been suspended for simply quoting the results from a clinical trial by Pfizer and raising questions over any vaccine mandate. In the meantime, the White House accused both the Washington Post and New York Times of irresponsible reporting on Covid, but surprisingly Twitter has not suspended those accounts. It is the license of the censor. Twitter is unwilling to let people read or discuss viewpoints that it disagrees with as a corporation. Many on the left, however, have embraced the concept of corporate speech and censorship. It turns out that the problem with censorship for many was the failure to censor views that they opposed. With the “right” censors at work, the free speech concerns have been set aside.

I have little ability to judge the science on such questions. However, I welcome the debate. Yet, rather than answer such critics and refute their arguments, many people focus on silencing anyone with dissenting viewpoints like Berenson.

Berenson has been effectively confined to Substack by Big Tech due to his discussing dissenting views on the science surrounding Covid-19. His latest offense against Big Tech came when he posted the results published by Pfizer of its own clinical data. He claimed that the research showed little difference in morality between those in the trial with a vaccine and those given a placebo.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*

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The pivotal clinical trial for the @pfizer #Covid vaccine shows it does nothing to reduce the overall risk of death. ZERO.

15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died

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15 patients who received the vaccine died, 14 who received the placebo died

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During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open label period 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4).

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https://www.scribd.com/document/517713886/2021-07-28-21261159v1-full
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

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SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*

SIX: Not hyperbole.

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SIX: If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.

Don't play games.

The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.

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That said, Berenson was beyond shameful. And anything that comes from him should be looked at with deep distrust, since he knows no boundaries when it comes to lying.

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SIGNYM:
If Biden lets business take the reins in requiring vaccinations, there will be no "Constitutional crisis". Please tone down the hyperbole.*

SIX: Not hyperbole.

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SIX: If you cannot live in America without a shot because businesses are allowed to make it so that you cannot work or eat without one, that is NO different than the government forcing you to get one.

Don't play games.

The people who start shooting everything up if that time comes to pass certainly won't be.

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uh huh



Yanno, if you can't make a point without threats of violence, maybe you don't have a point to make.

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COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-d
ata-from-the-states/

Percent of Fully Vaccinated Individuals That Have Experienced a COVID-19 Breakthrough Event (interactive graph not able to be linked)

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Three-quarters of people infected in Provincetown outbreak were vaccinated, CDC finds
https://www.pressherald.com/2021/07/30/cdc-finds-most-people-in-delta-
fueled-provincetown-outbreak-were-vaccinated/
The report on the Massachusetts cases, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, offers key evidence bolstering the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.
The full outbreak, which began over the July 4 holiday weekend, is close to 900 cases, but the analysis included only a subset of 469 cases. About three-quarters of infections occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, and that group had received vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson. ... 79% of vaccinated breakthrough infections were symptomatic. Four of five people who were hospitalized were fully vaccinated.

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Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d950451
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Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

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469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons.

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CDC Confirms That Viral Loads In Vaccinated People With Delta May Be Infectious, So Masks Are Necessary https://sfist.com/2021/07/27/cdc-confirms-that-viral-loads-in-vaccinat
ed-people-with-delta-are-indistinguishable-from-unvaccinated/

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

'Threats of violence' doesn't mean YOU threatened violence, Jack. But you certainly don't mind flogging the topic as an inevitability.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
All told, I can see why the CDC has changed its mask guidance. While the data is incomplete, there are indications that SARS-CoV-2 delta is more infectious and more severe than 'normal' SARS-CoV-2. Simple prudence should indicate a safer public policy. And masking is one of the least intrusive, and inexpensive, precautions to take. Effective masks like N95 are once again available on Amazon.com.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

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A year of waiting and watching me be right about everything so far isn't enough for you, huh?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I've addressed all your points.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

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Many experts are calling for businesses and other organizations to mandate vaccines, rather than putting an emphasis on mandating masks. President Biden also took a step on that front Thursday, announcing federal workers would need to get vaccinated or get tested regularly.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

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Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies."

"As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."

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To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)

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