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To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A = B, bitch.

Go fuck yourself if you think otherwise.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A = B, bitch.

Go fuck yourself if you think otherwise.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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I don't believe you, bitch.

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1KIKI:
To clarify: There will be no nationwide mandate. I was referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the federal government. There will be no federal mandate.
- Rochelle Walensky, MD, MPH (@CDCDirector)


SIX: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A = B, bitch.
Go fuck yourself if you think otherwise.


SIX: What's not to believe?
TPTB get exactly what they want without having to be the ones to violate your Constitutional rights.
A=B, bitch.
Anybody who doesn't see that might has well have just saved themselves the trouble and bought the WMD's in Iraq.
You're not a free thinker. You're a tool just like the GWB sycophants were.
You disgust me. And you deserve to have your freedoms stripped from you.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, unless you can show that the Federal (or state) governments are requiring businesses to do X,Y, and Z, there is no "Constitutional" crisis.

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What we have here in the USA is a classic example of FASCISM. Not the "fascism" that TWITCHY hyperventilated about so often (and mistakenly) but real, actual fascism:

Where the government runs in service to business, and businesses have all the power.

So we see that businesses can search your stuff, invade your home, hijack your communications hardware and software, stifle your free speech, discriminate on the basis of race, hold your savings hostage, and do all of the things that the Federal government CAN'T do.

If there is a "Constititional crisis" it won't be because the these activities are found "unconstitutional" but because people will feel that the Constitution itself is deficient and dosn't protect them from big business.

One BIG step would be to get rid of that "corporations are people, too" interpretation.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The "Constitutional Crisis" happened 3 decades ago, with mass drug testing. Just because you didn't understand that point when I first made it doesn't make it untrue.

Since then, we've had a series of Supreme Court rulings that have gradually ruled in favor of so-called 'originalist' 'thinking' ie what they presume the 'framers'



originally meant. And that's been interpreted to mean that your Constitutional rights only apply in regard to what the Federal Government does to you directly. Everything else by anyone else, even the state, is fair game. And now, far down the road as a result of that 3-decade trend, even corporations are people, too, and you can't trample on their rights.

I understand what you do not.

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And while some people may be in angst over the situation, legally speaking, the crisis was settled when you were a kid.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wonder when they're going to start bandying around the term "Bio-Terrorist" when referring to people who won't get vaccinated.

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You do not endanger the lives of the many to humor the misconceptions of the few. They can’t or won’t change their minds. It’s time to recognize that.

And do it for them.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This was from a post I made on March 10th, but it was a summation of things I'd been saying way back in 2020.

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What she told her husband is what the media is suggesting that EVERYONE who is getting vaccinated do to anybody who isn't getting vaccinated. And also doing to them what she did to him.

Guilt them.

Guilting him to guilt them.



Here's the steps, if you missed me talk about them before.


STEP 1: Give the vaccine to the 50 to 60% of people who are terrified of the virus and would do anything to get it.

STEP 2: Give the vaccine to the 15 to 20% of people who are just so f-ing tired of how we've been forced to live the last year that they just want it to go away and will get vaccinated so they can get back to their old lives.

(Steps one and two will have quite a bit of overlap, both in the timeframe and/or like-mindedness.)

STEP 3: Guilt the shit of the remaining people. Not all of them will be guilted into it. But some of them will.

STEP 4: Ruin the lives of people who still refuse. This can be done, and will be done, in a variety of ways. (This can only begin once there is a legitimate surplus of vaccinations without any remaining demand for them).

One of the biggest will be by allowing corporations to force vaccinations otherwise face termination from your job (the article from South Carolina I posted earlier today is actually about a bill being considered in the state to PROHIBIT companies in the state from doing this).

But then there's just the general guilting that will never end until the media stops talking about it. If you haven't been paying attention to the way these things work online the last few years, that guilting will quickly turn to HATE. This is going to make for a very hostile work environment for many people at this point. Imagine the RWED, but in a live office setting... in every workplace around the country. (and with weak-minded, terrified people truly believing that somebody like me is threatening their life by my mere presence in front of them without having had the shots).

If they really want to make the issue bad, they'll start instituting an ID card... maybe even provide you with a handy little lanyard to wear it like a dog collar whenever you leave your home.

Worst case is that when enough people have already gotten it and the rest refuse that the Legacy Media starts referring to those who resist vaccination as Bio Terrorists.

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I've pretty much been spot on for the first three steps.

Admittedly, I didn't see handing out a bunch of freebies and doing Lotteries to try to entice people before moving on to Step 4 though.

But we are clearly in Step 3.5 right now, and just as I predicted they're throwing away TONS of vaccines since nobody else wants one.

Is New Zealand is racing to prove me right on the predictions past Step 4 already?

http://www.yout.be.com/watch?v=CpPZH9AM35c

Anybody else going to join the race?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But just like not seeing the Cash and Prizes attempts to con people into taking the jab, I surely didn't see FUCKING EVERYBODY OVER FROM STEP 1 AND STEP 2 in order to facilitate STEP 4.

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My point is that you're more than eager to roll over now because you happen to agree with this one.

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My point is that you're more than eager to roll over now because you happen to agree with this one.

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Where have I AGREED WITH any of this?

Is this like you claiming I'm for full government control over everything? Yanno - either all in you head, or deliberate lying like SLOPPY and THUGGER?



ETA: My information about employer rights was gained during my 15 year service as an elected union negotiator and steward.

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When the news broke, I did what any desk jockey would do: I turned to Facebook to complain.

?‘People who have been vaccinated are protected against serious illness and death,’ I wrote. ‘The vaccines are free and have widely been available since April. Asking vaccinated Americans to mask is meaningless theater and isn’t saving anyone’s life, vaccinated or unvaccinated. Masking and further lockdowns (which are coming to some places) are nonsense. This is not “Trumpian” and it is not COVID denial. I am a liberal and I am tired of COVID panic. I will not comply with any of this.”’

?Maybe that was a little histrionic, but it’s Facebook, after all. If you can’t bloviate like an old man at a bar there, where else can you? My feed erupted with rage heretofore unseen, as though I’d confessed to smothering people’s children in their sleep. The responses ranged from the rather mild ?‘you’re wrong’ and ?‘I disagree with you’, to full-scale CDC propaganda, to medical hearsay that I ignored, to far worse.

‘You got the vaccine to keep from dying,’ someone wrote, later accusing me of ?‘white, male, able-bodied privilege’. ?‘Wear the mask to keep from killing.’

?But, I said. I’m not sick. I’m not killing anyone.

A former neighbor and semi-prominent Austin media personality informed me he was reporting me to Facebook for ??‘misinformation’ and spent a half-hour hassling me to see if my wife shares my ??‘crackpot ideas’. He called me a ??‘big brave online man’ who was ??‘trying to get on Joe Rogan’. I wish! Maybe I’d finally sell some damn books.

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Since my dumb little Facebook post, I’ve received several hushed, whispered messages from people ‘like me’ who agree but said they are afraid to speak out because someone will report them. But they shouldn’t be afraid.

There has to be room for those who are slightly left-of-center to criticize COVID policy. I don’t want to make anyone sick. I just want consistent guidance and the ability to live freely and make my own choices. Somewhere along the line, liberals forgot that was something to value.

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Originally posted by second:
My answer is that when people on the right talk about “freedom” what they actually mean is the right of certain people (generally white male Christians) to do whatever they want.

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My answer is that when people on the right talk about “freedom” what they actually mean is the right of certain people (generally white male Christians) to do whatever they want.

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Fuck you, Woke Joke.

Nobody gives a shit about the opinion of your hive.

Why don't you tell me all about how Leftist violence isn't violence, and how those white millennial brainwashed college kids weren't doing whatever the fuck they wanted to do.

P.S.

If you got a vaccine, what the fuck are you worried about?

Either it works and you're fine, or it doesn't work and I don't need it.

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Then just for once I want you to say LOUD AND CLEAR to everybody here that you are 100% against Businesses forcing people to get a vaccination in order to work there or to buy food.

Otherwise, save it.

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Then just for once I want you to say LOUD AND CLEAR to everybody here that you are 100% against Businesses forcing people to get a vaccination in order to work there or to buy food.

Otherwise, save it.

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Then just for once I want you to say LOUD AND CLEAR to everybody here that you are 100% against Businesses forcing people to get a vaccination in order to work there or to buy food.

Otherwise, save it.

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I'm supposed to declare myself to 'everybody here'?

Oh puuuhleeze. Stop pretending that you're at the head of a mob calling everyone you accuse to account. It's pathetic. Your egomania is pathetic.


But I agree with Signy.

In fact, I'll be even more expansive.

I disagree that corporations and other legal fictitious entities are people.

And I abhor that private and state entities can ignore or remove our Constitutional protections.

But in addition, I agree with mask mandates, yes, even by businesses and employers. It's a long-standing right of property owners. It violates no Constitutional protection. And if you're in their place, it's at their invitation, and on their terms. It's the old 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' mantra.

Furthermore, SHOULD it become necessary to mandate vaccinations, I think it SHOULD come from the federal government.

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Originally posted by second:
“We have to convince 25-year-olds, 30-year-olds that this is now life threatening for them,” Mayhew said during an interview on Morning Joe. “That is not what they saw and what we experienced last year.”

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Well, it appears you've got no argument except name-calling.

How surprising.

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SIX:
Then just for once I want you to say LOUD AND CLEAR to everybody here that you are 100% against Businesses forcing people to get a vaccination in order to work there or to buy food.

Otherwise, save it.

KIKI: I'm supposed to declare myself to 'everybody here'?
Oh puuuhleeze. Stop pretending that you're at the head of a mob calling everyone you accuse to account. It's pathetic. Your egomania is pathetic.
But I agree with Signy.
In fact, I'll be even more expansive.
I disagree that corporations and other legal fictitious entities are people.
And I abhor that private and state entities can ignore or remove our Constitutional protections.
But in addition, I agree with mask mandates, yes, even by businesses and employers. It's a long-standing right of property owners. It violates no Constitutional protection. And if you're in their place, it's at their invitation, and on their terms. It's the old 'no shirt, no shoes, no service' mantra.

Furthermore, SHOULD it become necessary to mandate vaccinations, I think it SHOULD come from the federal government.


SIX: You're a tool then.
The WMDs were real.

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I think it's important to raise the issue in order to resolve it, one way or another.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

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BELOW: NOT one blowhard from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/31/cdc_director_walens
ky_on_vaccine_mandate_thats_something_the_administration_is_looking_into.html

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Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies."

"As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."

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The head of Florida’s largest hospital association warned that the skyrocketing number of Covid hospitalizations is unlike anything the state has seen before — even as Gov. Ron DeSantis downplays the spike.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously though.

Come try and give me a vaccine. Right on my doorstep.

See what happens to you.



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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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The head of Florida’s largest hospital association warned that the skyrocketing number of Covid hospitalizations is unlike anything the state has seen before — even as Gov. Ron DeSantis downplays the spike

JO: I almost hope it gets so bad there that peepl finally get angry enuf to go after idiots like him and trump. A good old fashioned torch & pich fork wielding mob uv townzpeeple storming DeSantisiz hows and Mara Lago.

I'v updated the ZOL paje http://www.zolkorp.com/UVMaSK.htm

I'm starting to think we're going to looz the war. Nobody iz taking this seriously enuf.

The peepl with their handz on the controlz uv our sivilization are notably unimajinativ, so cant see beyond the normal ruteen. They are still applying bizness-az-usual lojik to this, wile the virus iz dilijently working on wayz to defeat our defensez.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously though.

Come try and give me a vaccine. Right on my doorstep.

See what happens to you.



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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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You're just spoiling for a fight, aren't you?

1) Fighting on your doorstep isn't going to do any good.

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The head of Florida’s largest hospital association warned that the skyrocketing number of Covid hospitalizations is unlike anything the state has seen before — even as Gov. Ron DeSantis downplays the spike

JO: I almost hope it gets so bad there that peepl finally get angry enuf to go after idiots like him and trump. A good old fashioned torch & pich fork wielding mob uv townzpeeple storming DeSantisiz hows and Mara Lago.

I'v updated the ZOL paje http://www.zolkorp.com/UVMaSK.htm

I'm starting to think we're going to looz the war. Nobody iz taking this seriously enuf.

The peepl with their handz on the controlz uv our sivilization are notably unimajinativ, so cant see beyond the normal ruteen. They are still applying bizness-az-usual lojik to this, wile the virus iz dilijently working on wayz to defeat our defensez.

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1) What "war" is this?

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6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously though.
Come try and give me a vaccine. Right on my doorstep.
See what happens to you.


SIGNY: You're just spoiling for a fight, aren't you?
1) Fighting on your doorstep isn't going to do any good.

SIX: Maybe not. But it sure will ruin somebody's day and (hopefully) make them think twice about doing that again to somebody else.

SIGNY: 2) Out of all of the things to get exercised about, a vaccination seems on the lower end of priorities.

SIX: Your problem is that you still think this is only about vaccination.

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In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio correctly said masking is a secondary concern
when "the whole ball game is vaccination." And he is acting on it, announcing Tuesday
that the city will require proof of vaccination in the form of a health pass for entrance into
gyms, restaurants, and indoor entertainment venues. The city will begin enforcing the program
-- the first of its kind in a US city -- on September 13, he said.

It's a necessary and overdue step. But why aren't more cities and states taking it? And more
importantly: Why isn't President Joe Biden?

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The latest example is New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who on Monday said that he is asking
private restaurants and bars to require proof of vaccination for entry. He's right -- they
should. But why place the burden of creating sensible public health mandates on private
businesses? Cuomo is, after all, the governor. If he believes, as he says, that it is in the
"best interests" of these businesses -- and ostensibly the public -- to have inessential
indoor events reserved for the vaccinated, why not make that the policy of New York state?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/as-delta-spreads-covid-vaccine-m
andates-are-an-urgent-necessity

Keep pretending I'm making this stuff up.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

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BELOW: NOT one blowhard from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/31/cdc_director_walens
ky_on_vaccine_mandate_thats_something_the_administration_is_looking_into.html

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Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies."

"As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."

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Your "evidence" is sus, because it comes from places and people who have lied before and will lie again.

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Your "evidence" is sus, because it comes from places and people who have lied before and will lie again.

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Are you saying you think that every bit of evidence is suspect that comes from every country on the planet, researchers, doctors, and hospitals around the globe, and even ordinary people who talk to each other about dead family members (people who've talked to me, for example) - that everyone who says COVID-19 is real and kills people - are banded together in one giant conspiracy to fabricate nothing into something?

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I hope you have enough oars in the water to understand the difference between government pronouncements backed up by ZERO evidence - like for example Iraq WMD, and how RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! done doed every little and big thing possible since 2016 - and evidence about COVID-19 coming from everywhere.

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vaccinated against Covid-19 OR be frequently tested
mask guidance
colleges demand that students, faculty and staff have their shots
Corporate America (Google) is beginning to follow suit (for those returning to the workplace rather than working from home)
universal vaccine mandates at hospitals, clinics and other health-care settings

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Did you read of their research personally

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or are you reading what the CDC, WHO and John Hopkins tells you are in there?

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Have you done any research on whether or not any of that data or those studies are legit science and not politically or monetarily motivated?

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Everybody in those organizations has been lying to us about things like where the virus came from since the beginning.

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... the US has a dollar tied to Oil and has printing presses running 24/7 and we're giving money to almost everybody else in the world with very little oversight and zero chance anybody is ever going to trace it all.

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Has Covid-19 really made you forget about US Imperialism, multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to the US or the US Constitution, or the fact that we're essentially a one-world government at this point with just enough autonomy to give the illusion that this isn't already the case?

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