Some Covid-19 thoughts by captaincrunch

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
KIKI doesn't get her "info" from Memeology 101 - which I personally find is not any better (as a source of data) than the cartoons that THUGR posts. It's just really highly filtered opinion.

You're being just as much of an idiot as you claim JO or Ted or I is being if you really think I get any info from Memology 101.

I know he's been wrong at least twice. Just the other day about the woman who didn't realize she was white until she was 34 and once when he said that Don Lemon was fired. I bet he's been wrong a lot. I guess he's been posting for years now.

I post that because dude makes funny points that are usually under a minute long. And he does a great job of digging up headlines form a year or more ago and putting on FULL display the constant hypocrisy of the left.

As for Kiki, I see she ignored my reply to her post entirely.

So did you... But you went a step further and dismissed me completely by making my enjoyment of Memology 101 your argument.

That's a play right out of Ted's or Second's book.

Check yourself.

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Thursday, August 5, 2021 11:07 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Your failure to read my point-by point responses is in no way my failure to respond.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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vaccinated against Covid-19 OR be frequently tested
mask guidance
colleges demand that students, faculty and staff have their shots
Corporate America (Google) is beginning to follow suit (for those returning to the workplace rather than working from home)
universal vaccine mandates at hospitals, clinics and other health-care settings

Well - AHEM ! - as mentioned previously, employers have the right to demand employees do anything legal as a condition of employment. I'm not saying I support it, but it's a bit hard for me to be outraged about a ship that sailed over 30 years ago.

And schools have always required a certain level of vaccination for attendance. Again, I'm not saying I'm for it in this case, but unless laws are changed substantially, this is a done deal.

Federal workers have a choice - vaccine OR testing.

Finally, healthcare is one area where I might support universal vaccination. One should recognize that the population potentially being exposed is already extremely vulnerable, and that they're in a situation about which they don't have a choice.

But I would think that before vaccination, N95 masks should be a requirement.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Did you read of their research personally
YES, I read original research to form my opinions, and not stories ABOUT research. I make a point of tracking down original research for important events. And while I haven't read ALL research, I've read hundreds of research papers to date.
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or are you reading what the CDC, WHO and John Hopkins tells you are in there?
NO. I don't want to read stories ABOUT research, I want to read research, and I seek it out, and fault stories that don't link it. Honest reporting should always include links to original information.
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Have you done any research on whether or not any of that data or those studies are legit science and not politically or monetarily motivated?
It's like global warming. If you don't understand the basic science, you can imagine that there is all sorts of nefarious misinformation, instead of what is in reality well-demonstrated fact. And yes, I know enough to separate out the BS from the legit.
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Everybody in those organizations has been lying to us about things like where the virus came from since the beginning.
Where the virus really came from is still an unknown. Just FYI. And nobody is on the same page, like they would be if they were in a grand conspiracy.
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... the US has a dollar tied to Oil and has printing presses running 24/7 and we're giving money to almost everybody else in the world with very little oversight and zero chance anybody is ever going to trace it all.
Well - not EVERY country is financially tied to the US (City of London). Not Russia, or China, or Vietnam, or Cuba, or Venezuela, or Burundi, or ... and the US is certainly not spreading around enough to buy every research group. every hospital, every health care worker, every news service, every government, and private citizens by the thousands of millions around the globe.
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Has Covid-19 really made you forget about US Imperialism, multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to the US or the US Constitution, or the fact that we're essentially a one-world government at this point with just enough autonomy to give the illusion that this isn't already the case?
You confuse "the west" with the entire planet. Believe it or not, there are whole countries not enmeshed with "the west".

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Friday, August 6, 2021 4:38 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
KIKI doesn't get her "info" from Memeology 101 - which I personally find is not any better (as a source of data) than the cartoons that THUGR posts. It's just really highly filtered opinion.

SIX: You're being just as much of an idiot as you claim JO or Ted or I is being if you really think I get any info from Memology 101.

Well, where DO you get your "information" from? You never link to any sources of data, and you always link to Memology. As far as I can tell from your posts, you opine from a fact-free environment.

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SIX: I know he's been wrong at least twice.

Yeah, so? There's a lot I DON'T post from Zerohedge either, but I DO link to where I get info and data from on specific topics. You? Not so much.

Which, again, makes me think you get your data from... nowhere.

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SIX: As for Kiki, I see she ignored my reply to her post entirely.

I thought she not only responded POINT BY POINT to EVERY SINGLE CHALLENGE in your post, she went well beyond that.
I'm sorry that you can't read straight. Maybe you should re-read her posts, more slowly this time.

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SIX: So did you... But you went a step further and dismissed me completely by making my enjoyment of Memology 101 your argument.

I thought I responded on-point - your "challenge" on vaccine mandates, too, "loud and clear", just like you asked.

What have we not answered?

Maybe you just don't like the answers that you're getting.

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SIX: That's a play right out of Ted's or Second's book.

Right.
Check yourself.

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Friday, August 6, 2021 8:48 AM

A) I didn't see Kiki's post. My bad.

B) I get my information from the lies that they've told us all of our lives.

You and Kiki are on board with this one because they terrorized you.

Maybe if all other things were the same but you were my age or younger, you wouldn't be acting the way you are.

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Friday, August 6, 2021 8:52 AM

LA Times should take more care when picking their headlines.

This story is still very much STEP 4, but after the headline it's not nearly as bad as the
others that I've posted. Hell... they even go out of their way to say they disagree with
requiring vaccinations for essential services like grocery shopping.

At least everybody in the Legacy Media hasn't gone full Hitler over Covid... yet.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-05/editorial-no-more-pla
ying-around-for-the-unvaccinated

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ...
... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes.

I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.

How about now, Kiki?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But wait... There's more... STEP 4

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/04/opinions/de-blasio-require-vaccines-fil
ipovic/index.html

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In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio correctly said masking is a secondary concern when "the whole ball game is vaccination." And he is acting on it, announcing Tuesday that the city will require proof of vaccination in the form of a health pass for entrance into gyms, restaurants, and indoor entertainment venues. The city will begin enforcing the program -- the first of its kind in a US city -- on September 13, he said.

It's a necessary and overdue step. But why aren't more cities and states taking it? And more importantly: Why isn't President Joe Biden?

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The latest example is New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who on Monday said that he is asking private restaurants and bars to require proof of vaccination for entry. He's right -- they should. But why place the burden of creating sensible public health mandates on private businesses? Cuomo is, after all, the governor. If he believes, as he says, that it is in the "best interests" of these businesses -- and ostensibly the public -- to have inessential indoor events reserved for the vaccinated, why not make that the policy of New York state?

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I can't even finish this article. It's so fucking bad.

That's a rarity. I can even make it through most Vox and Salon articles I read. At least they're usually unintentionally funny.

This dumb bitch actually thinks that calling them "health passes" instead of "vaccine passports" will make them work.

I bet this no-doubt-woke-as-fuck-dummy doesn't even realize that what she's suggestion means that almost no black people in New York would have any freedoms at all if it came true.

Or maybe she does and she doesn't care. Democrats are racists after all.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/as-delta-spreads-covid-vaccine-m
andates-are-an-urgent-necessity

Keep pretending I'm making this stuff up.

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BELOW: NOT one blowhard from CNN.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/31/cdc_director_walens
ky_on_vaccine_mandate_thats_something_the_administration_is_looking_into.html

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Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies."

"As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."

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Friday, August 6, 2021 1:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Aside from DeBlasio generally being an idiot ...

1) NYC was the COVID-19 epicenter for the US. To this date, NYC alone is the reason for the entire state of NY ranking second for per capita deaths; NYS currently at 278 per 100,000 (a bit behind NJ currently at 300 per 100,000). If NYC were counted by itself, it would blow NJ out of the water for per capita deaths by a factor of 2. And most of this happened in the span of a few short months, from ~03/24/20 to ~06/24/20. Now, maybe in your isolated hinterland you can't appreciate that not every state is like yours, and not everyone's experience is like yours. But the experience of NYC people was more like N Italy, so the residents could possibly have a different perspective than yours. ... And that leads me to to my next point ...

2) If the people of NYC don't like what DeBlasio is doing, they can vote him out. It's their city, and their vote. https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-new-york-new-york
-city-02ebaf33bec191fa66c99fc02cf1ef1b And fortunately, you don't get to impose on them your reality of 'COVID-19 never killed anyone', and you can't vote in their city elections, and you don't get to run their politics. To reiterate: it's their choice.

Capiche?

As for your other 'points', I already addressed them. You must have failed to read. I'm sure that's the reason why you have no rebuttal to my posts at all, not even your usual sourceless claims or ceaseless trolling.

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Friday, August 6, 2021 1:37 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A) I didn't see Kiki's post. My bad.

Yep, your bad.

KIKI actually posted a response to your demand for a "loud and clear" declarationand AGREED WITH YOU

Then you posted ANOTHER set of agitated demands, which she ALSO replied to.

Maybe you should actually try to comprehend what other people think before you get all snarky.

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SIX: B) I get my information from the lies that they've told us all of our lives.

And, like before: Don't live in opposite-land, which is what you'e doing. Just because they lie most of the time doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is a lie.

Russia, China, Cuba, Iran, N Korea ... yes, I read their English language websites. They have no interest in lying to the west or exposing the fact that this virus is causing them harm and yet ... they do. So the pandemic is real. Maybe you should get out of the M$M/anti-M$M duality and open up your sources of info to other countries, scientific studies, and maybe acknowledge a few facts here and there, huh?

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SIX: You and Kiki are on board with this one because they terrorized you.

Maybe if all other things were the same but you were my age or younger, you wouldn't be acting the way you are.

And, once again, you completely mischaracterize what we've posted and where we stand, even tho we've told you LOUD AND CLEAR that we're against mandatory vaccinations in this situation.

I'm also against extended lockdowns: they should not be used except as a "circuit breaker" to allow time to figure out and address the problem. I believe I've posted that waaaaaaaay in the beginning, too.

WTF, SIX? Why are you being such an a-hole?
Screw your head back on, willya? And stop thinking with your adrenals.

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Friday, August 6, 2021 7:11 PM

THG

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Friday, August 6, 2021 8:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, SIX, I've been noodling on your reaction and it still seems to me that you're spoiling for a fight bc no matter how many times we AGREE with you, you just keep coming back with more angry accusations and demands.

So here's what I think.

Instead of saying that you're terrified of COVID-19, let's just say you feel threatened. Not by the virus itself .... You've made that abundantly clear, and in your age group and with no responsibility to anyone but yourself, you SHOULDN'T be worried... but you feel threatened by anyone who thinks differently. And, like many people who feel threatened, you've slipped into "flight or fight" mode, and you're lashing out, seeing people as enemies who are actually on your side.

You don't even allow others to take reasonable measures of self-protection
I would ask myself, if I were you, what the root cause of your offthechart reaction is. There must be some "ism" that's causing this. I would love to know what it is.

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Friday, August 6, 2021 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SIX, I've been noodling on your reaction and it still seems to me that you're spoiling for a fight bc no matter how many times we AGREE with you, you just keep coming back with more angry accusations and demands.

I don't see it as you're agreeing with me. Your toes are halfway in the water. Kiki's ready to pull them out.

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So here's what I think.

Instead of saying that you're terrified of COVID-19, let's just say you feel threatened. Not by the virus itself .... You've made that abundantly clear,

You're 100% correct about that one.

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and in your age group and with no responsibility to anyone but yourself, you SHOULDN'T be worried...

That, and the fact that I never bought into any of it in the first place.

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but you feel threatened by anyone who thinks differently. And, like many people who feel threatened, you've slipped into "flight or fight" mode, and you're lashing out, seeing people as enemies who are actually on your side.

You need to separate your reactions from Kiki's here. You two don't see completely eye to eye either.

You say that you don't think anybody should be forcing vaccinations on anyone, period. Kiki knows that it's wrong for the government to allow corporations to do so, but then says "oh well... They've been doing it for decades now, so there's nothing that can be done about it. I'm okay with it I guess since it makes me feel safer if everyone has one."

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You don't even allow others to take reasonable measures of self-protection

Oh? How so?

By all means, wear a mask for the rest of your life. Get an experimental shot and hope it doesn't give you cancer or cause your kids to not be able to have any of their own. Or worse. Do whatever you like.

If you tell me that I can't come to your party unless I'm vaccinated, our friendship is over and/or our family ties are cut. You'd better just not invite me in the first place, hope that I didn't hear about the party from other people, and/or be really good at lying when you tell me that the invite was lost in the mail.

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I would ask myself, if I were you, what the root cause of your offthechart reaction is. There must be some "ism" that's causing this. I would love to know what it is.

I don't know about ism.

I don't trust a single person in our government on either side. I don't trust the Media. I don't trust big corporations. I don't trust the Medical Establishment. I don't trust Big Pharma.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have their hands in this.

And whether it be a gain of power or a gain of money or both, they all stand to benefit from it. Every single one of them.

And none of them give a single shit about you or me or the elderly or the children or a single good goddamned one of us. But they'll never miss an opportunity to tell you how much they do.

Meanwhile, for the first time in my lifetime, everybody is doing the Eminence Front.

Somebody should remake this song with updated lyrics.

Maybe I will...

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 2:21 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SIX, I've been noodling on your reaction and it still seems to me that you're spoiling for a fight bc no matter how many times we AGREE with you, you just keep coming back with more angry accusations and demands.

SIX: I don't see it as you're agreeing with me. Your toes are halfway in the water. Kiki's ready to pull them out.

I don't fancy diving all the way into loony-tunes-land.

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SIGNY: So here's what I think.
Instead of saying that you're terrified of COVID-19, let's just say you feel threatened. Not by the virus itself .... You've made that abundantly clear

SIX: You're 100% correct about that one.

SIGNY: and in your age group and with no responsibility to anyone but yourself, you SHOULDN'T be worried...

SIX: That, and the fact that I never bought into any of it in the first place.

You're either living in opposite-land because of an excess of being oppositional to everything, or you're in deep denial.

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SIGNY: but you feel threatened by anyone who thinks differently. And, like many people who feel threatened, you've slipped into "flight or fight" mode, and you're lashing out, seeing people as enemies who are actually on your side.

SIX: You need to separate your reactions from Kiki's here. You two don't see completely eye to eye either.
You say that you don't think anybody should be forcing vaccinations on anyone, period.

Oh, but I did, and still do, make the exception for medical personnel. Either they do that, or they wear an N95 thru their whole shift.

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SIX: Kiki knows that it's wrong for the government to allow corporations to do so, but then says "oh well... They've been doing it for decades now, so there's nothing that can be done about it. I'm okay with it I guess since it makes me feel safer if everyone has one."

KIKI is NOT and has said so many times.
PLEASE, READ WITH COMPREHENSION!

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SIGNY: You don't even allow others to take reasonable measures of self-protection

SIX: Oh? How so?

You're clearly angry with anyone who masks up or who has gotten the shot. You basically told me, very bitterly, that you"hoped" I didn't regret my decision for our daughter to get the shot because - in your fevered imagination- there are dire consequences and evil conpsiracies around the vaccines. ANY of them, no matter what technology they use and what snippets of viral genome they use.

That's your ignorance talking

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SIX: By all means, wear a mask for the rest of your life. Get an experimental shot and hope it doesn't give you cancer or cause your kids to not be able to have any of their own. Or worse. Do whatever you like.

More ignorance and fear-mongering.

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SIX: If you tell me that I can't come to your party unless I'm vaccinated, our friendship is over and/or our family ties are cut. You'd better just not invite me in the first place, hope that I didn't hear about the party from other people, and/or be really good at lying when you tell me that the invite was lost in the mail.

See? You're turning people into enemies who are merely trying to protect themselves and their families. Why are you turning this into such an existential issue?

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SIGNY: I would ask myself, if I were you, what the root cause of your offthechart reaction is. There must be some "ism" that's causing this. I would love to know what it is.

SIX: I don't know about ism.

I don't trust a single person in our government on either side. I don't trust the Media. I don't trust big corporations. I don't trust the Medical Establishment. I don't trust Big Pharma.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have their hands in this.

You don't trust them?
NEITHER DO I.
That's why I have to work xtra-hard to EDUCATE myself and to find out what's REALLY going on, and not just explode in a froth of anger and hysteria. Like you are.

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SIX: And whether it be a gain of power or a gain of money or both, they all stand to benefit from it. Every single one of them.
And none of them give a single shit about you or me or the elderly or the children or a single good goddamned one of us. But they'll never miss an opportunity to tell you how much they do.

Reacting with anger and hysteria and ignorance is NEVER a good option.

You really think that "they're" after you?
Then you better act like it and smarten up.
Instead of acting like a jerk, FIGHT THEM.

HOW are they gaining power? How have they ALREADY gained power?
Not thru vaccinations!
Look a their mechanisms, and fight those.
Stop fighting people who are on our side.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:28 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Kiki ... says ... I'm okay with it I guess since it makes me feel safer if everyone has one."

All that is as much intentional assholery bullshit as SLOPPY repeatedly calling me a Russia Troll™.

You're a pathetic loser.

You've been on ME in particular ever since you were whining for me to stop posting at the very beginning. Because your inner-anxiety-ridden child can't take anything less than total denial about that kind of subject. Exactly the same as HIV. You've made every false claim about me you can - ALL WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVEN A MINOR OUT OF CONTEXT PHRASE - AND RESPITE ME POSTING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU 'CLAIM' - even claiming that I'm for "total government control of everything".

You're a piece of loser shit.

Who can't take being openly challenged by a female because you've got mommy issues so big they scream at everyone from across the country.

BTW - you know what I imagine her saying as she was beating you? WHY CAN'T YOU CARE ABOUT ANYONE BUT YOURSELF?

You two are a great matching family portrait.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:13 AM

lol

Cunt much?

I got everything I want and need. A piece of ass and a fuck trophy weren't on that list.

Have fun living in fear the rest of your life and doing the bidding of you Masters, Mz. Independent.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:24 AM

Covid-19 harassment is Kiki's MO.

At least people don't have to put up with that bullshit in Florida.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/566764-florida-approves-schoo
l-vouchers-for-families-in-districts-requiring

But good news for you Kiki:

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Pfizer and Moderna have started testing the vaccine in children under the age of 12.

We'll fuck everybody up with the vaccine now. It won't be long before you get what you want.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 7:08 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, SIX, I have to say: You deserved that lashing. You are constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY, mischaracterizing what KIKI posts. Even when KIKI has REPEATEDLY posted the opposite, you insist on lying about it.
I mean ... WTF??
What kind of bee is buzzing in your bonnet that you would do that?

Well, aside from that...

*****
Bear with me, this is going to be long.

There was a poster here, AURAPTOR ("RAPPY") who was convinced ... CONVINCED, I tell you! ... that Saddam had WMD. Nothing could convince him otherwise. Not even when GWB's teams searched Iraq high and low and only found remnants of deteriorated, decades-old chemical weapons shells, but no evidence of ONGOING WMD production and deployment, which might have justified and invasion.
First, he insisted that the remnants were meaningful.
Them, when it was pointed out that what they were finding was too deteriorated to be used (more a hazard to anyone trying to use them) he eventually wiggled his way around to insisting that they COULD HAVE BEEN shipped to Syria. Well, aside from the faxt that there was no earthly reason why Saddam should trust Assad, we wondered why this wasn't detected by reconnaisance. After all, if Saddam had had a WMD program big enough to be militarily meaningful, it would have made quite a convoy, being pulled back from "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat," (Rumsfeld). If we could be that certain where they were, we should have been able to see where they had gone.
Well, they COULD HAVE been moved in a sandstorm! RAPPY insisted.
Every explanation he gave became a more and more convoluted and irrational story about how his suspicions COULD HAVE been true, despite there being not a shred of evidence to support his suspicions, and huge practical problems with his stories.

And then, we have JO. He is convinced ... CONVINCED, I TELL YOU! ... that Trump is Putin's puppet. Even tho every piece of "evidence" that he produces evaporates when you look at it, that this has been investigated over four years with no expenses spared, that Trump has not helped Putin in any material way and that there has been no "secret" communication uncovered between Trump and Putin which would have made such "collusion" possible, JO753 is convinced that this has happened "somehow". By magic, maybe? Telepathy?

The problem with their suspicions is that they're unbounded by evidence or even practical considerations. "How" this was done can only be explained with wildly implausible stories of "might have" and "could have" and "maybes".

And then there's you.

I think YOUR rub is that you can't explain to yourself WHY any government or pharmaceutical would insist on lockdowns and masking and vaccinations when they absolutely don't care about us "little people". So it becomes story about them wanting to turn us all into pod people or monkey with our DNA or something just as implausible as JO753's and RAPPY's suspicions.

So, let's focus on vaccinations: HOW can they control us thru vaccinations? Any evidence that a vaccination will turn YOU into a pod person? Monkey with your DNA?

Let me focus on the DNA aspect for a bit.

Both this virus and its vaccine are made of RNA, not DNA. RNA CAN'T interpolate itself into DNA because, among other things, it's got a different nucleic acid in it, and it's a single strand, not a double one. So even if it TRIED to squeeze itself into DNA, that portion wouldn't "work". It would be like using paint instead of caulk ... non-functional stuff.

Aside from that, it's EXTREMELY easy to sequence both DNA and RNA nowadays, with autmated sequencers. When the Wuhan virus was first isolated, China provided us with a full sequence within a few weeks.

Don't you think each vaccine-maker knows EXACTLY what's in everyone else's product? That Pfizer knows what's in Moderna's and J&J's and Sputnik's and the Chinese vaccines? And that if there was anything OBVIOUSLY hinky in someone else's vaccine, sheer market-share considerations would propel one vaccine-maker to tattle on another?

When I hear "Well, there's something in the vaccine that's like the sequence that causes the placenta to form" my first response is...

"Yeah?
WHAT?
WHAT'S the sequence that you're so all-fired up about?"

Somehow, they never say.

So then, we come to the motivation as to WHY a pharmaceutical company would want a mandated vaccine, and especially why they would want one that needed booster shots.

Let me ask you a question, SIX;

WHY does a big pharma do ANYTHING?
Why does it make anti-cancer drugs and boner pills and antibiotics and statins and blood pressure medications and anti-convulsants and polio vaccines?

MONEY.

PATENTS (more money)

A never-ending income stream.

I'm afraid that as nefarious as it is, that's the extent of it.

Big pharma is not blameless. It would be in their interest to have the government exaggerate the lethality of the virus and to close off any other possible interventions (treatments, prevention, masks) to herd everyone into the "vaccine or lockdowns" mentality, and I'm sure the government was all too happy to oblige. but I wouldn't go looking into some worldwide depopulation conspiracy by Big Pharma, especially not in Russia, which is trying to RAISE its population.

AFA big pharma is concerned, we can look at patents and money-grubbing as their sole motivation to make vaccines, (except for China and Russia; their pharma isn't motivated the same way) and if you suspect otherwise, you better come up with some solid evidence and not just blather about "maybe" and "might be" and "could be".

I'll get to the political considerations later.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:02 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
little boy poo-poo his pants becawas he scaaaared

fify

Oh, and HOW old are you?

Grow the fuck up.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:50 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

There was a poster here, AURAPTOR ("RAPPY") who was convinced ... CONVINCED, I tell you! ... that Saddam had WMD. Nothing could convince him otherwise. Not even when GWB's teams searched Iraq high and low and only found remnants of deteriorated, decades-old chemical weapons shells, but no evidence of ONGOING WMD production and deployment, which might have justified an invasion.

By using data on widows, displaced persons (up to 5 million), and the household surveys, I estimate the number of war-related dead to be at least 600,000 and possibly as much as one million. This is not a number that most American politicians want to consider. -- http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/

Casualties of the Iraq War -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
little boy poo-poo his pants becawas he scaaaared
fify

Oh, and HOW old are you?

Grow the fuck up.

lol

I'm not the one shitting my pants, babe.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 1:28 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SIX: STOP LYING ABOUT KIKI.

You're getting as bad as SECONDRATE and THUGR and GSTRING.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 1:43 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And now for the political considerations,

That's murkier because there are more actors with a lot more considerations.

It's like the Iraq War II:

Some were Armageddonists and believed it would lead us one step closer to the Rapture.
Some were following the PNAC/Netenyahu dream of destroying five of Israel's enemies in the ME.
Some were dreaming of all that OIL that had been sequestered in the ground for over a decade bc of sanctions on Iraq
Some wanted to add one more piece to the "surround Russia" puzzle.
At least one person wanted to burnish his wartime record and do what his daddy didn't, which was take Baghdad.
And some were propping up the petrodollar, because Russia and France had written up NON-DOLLAR oil deals with Iraq, and it only took Hans Blix's UNMOVIC finding that Iraq was in substantial compliance with UN mandates to unblock Iraq and ink the contracts.

I would bet that you would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE in the security state or WH who believed that Saddam had a WMD program or had anything to do wth 911.

I personally think that the petrodollar was the prime consideration, since the closer Blix got to wrapping up his investigation the more frantic the GWB administration got. In fact, it was OUR BOMBING that cahsed Hans Blix out of Iraq. So, yeah: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED indeed!

I give this as an example of the complicated factionalism that drives DC.

I have to go and walk the dog, but I'll try to unpack the politics around covid-19 when I get back.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 2:51 PM

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Don’t expect unemployment benefits if you don’t comply with your employer’s vaccine requirement

An employee who is terminated for failing to comply with company policies is not eligible for unemployment benefits, which would include refusing to comply with a company’s COVID-19 prevention policies, masking requirements or vaccine requirements.

Refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine, if your employer requires one, “is akin to an employee’s refusal to submit to permissible drug tests or participate in safety trainings,” said Ronald Zambrano, employment law chair at West Coast Trial Lawyers, a Los Angeles–based law firm. That is, such an employee, when terminated, would not qualify for unemployment benefits, Zambrano said.

What if employees quit because they don’t want to get vaccinated?

Quitting over refusal to get vaccinated when an employer requires it appears unlikely to improve one’s chances of securing unemployment payments.

“If you quit because of the mandate then you’d have to have good cause attributable to the employer in order to collect unemployment benefits,” Dixon said. “Good cause is usually viewed from that of a reasonable person. Given the overwhelming evidence of the safety of the vaccine, it’s likely that good cause would not be found” in the case of a person who quits a job because of a vaccine mandate.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210806221828/https://www.marketwatch.com
/story/dont-expect-unemployment-benefits-if-you-dont-comply-with-your-employers-vaccine-requirement-11628287814

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't post quotes or links because I like to lie and troll ... because I'm scaaaaawed.

fify

Yep, that's you.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:14 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

OH, btw 'Jack', AS I POSTED, it's perfectly legal for employers to require vaccinations JUST LIKE THEY REQUIRE DRUG TESTING.

Now tell me that the drug testing precedent of 30 years ago is irrelevant.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And now for the political considerations,

That's murkier because there are more actors with a lot more considerations.

It's like the Iraq War II:

Some were Armageddonists and believed it would lead us one step closer to the Rapture.
Some were following the PNAC/Netenyahu dream of destroying five of Israel's enemies in the ME.
Some were dreaming of all that OIL that had been sequestered in the ground for over a decade bc of sanctions on Iraq
Some wanted to add one more piece to the "surround Russia" puzzle.
At least one person wanted to burnish his wartime record and do what his daddy didn't, which was take Baghdad.
And some were propping up the petrodollar, because Russia and France had written up NON-DOLLAR oil deals with Iraq, and it only took Hans Blix's UNMOVIC finding that Iraq was in substantial compliance with UN mandates to unblock Iraq and ink the contracts.

I would bet that you would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE in the security state or WH who believed that Saddam had a WMD program or had anything to do wth 911.

I personally think that the petrodollar was the prime consideration, since the closer Blix got to wrapping up his investigation the more frantic the GWB administration got. In fact, it was OUR BOMBING that cahsed Hans Blix out of Iraq. So, yeah: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED indeed!

I give this as an example of the complicated factionalism that drives DC.

I have to go and walk the dog, but I'll try to unpack the politics around covid-19 when I get back.

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I'll be reading your post with interest, as I've been reading the previous ones.

To me however, it looks like a far more complicated picture than WMD because there actually ** WAS ** a novel viral threat, and it's still on the loose. That imo makes it harder to cleanly separate situational ignorance in an unknown situation from intentional exploitation.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:37 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

OH, btw 'Jack', AS I POSTED, it's perfectly legal for employers to require vaccinations JUST LIKE THEY REQUIRE DRUG TESTING.

Now tell me that the drug testing precedent of 30 years ago is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. I already addressed this and said that I have a long post history here against the practice.

You're a fucking idiot like Ted.

And quit pretending the fact you have a pussy has anything to do with the way that I talk to you, dipshit.

If you're going to act like Second and Ted, I'm going to talk to you just like I talk to them.

They're both pussies for sure, but I'm pretty sure they're both packing a couple of baby dicks.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by second:
An employee who is terminated for failing to comply with company policies is not eligible for unemployment benefits, which would include refusing to comply with a company’s COVID-19 prevention policies, masking requirements or vaccine requirements.

Fake News.

This is a change in terms.

If you can get unemployment after your employer discontinued night shift even though they still offered you a day shift job, getting unemployment for refusing a vaccination that wasn't part of the job when you started will be easy.

Quote:
“If you quit because of the mandate then you’d have to have good cause attributable to the employer in order to collect unemployment benefits,” Dixon said. “Good cause is usually viewed from that of a reasonable person. Given the overwhelming evidence of the safety of the vaccine, it’s likely that good cause would not be found” in the case of a person who quits a job because of a vaccine mandate.

That's the key right there. DON'T QUIT.

Make them fire you. If you quit, you won't get unemployment.

And don't sign anything that you can't take home first and read yourself or have a lawyer in the family or a friend who's smarter than you look at the fine print first.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The fact that you have a dick and I don't is completely relevant to the way you behave towards FACTS that I post.

And also, that you flamed out of college multiple times and so now you have to call college degrees worthless to salve your pride; and I made it through college despite many obstacles and now know a hell of a lot more than you on the topic.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The fact that you have a dick and I don't is completely relevant to the way you behave towards FACTS that I post.

I'm talking about this, you stupid bitch.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You're a piece of loser shit.

Who can't take being openly challenged by a female because you've got mommy issues so big they scream at everyone from across the country.

Don't hide behind your pussy card, coward.

You want equality? You get shit on by your betters just like Second and Ted do.

There's your equality.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:50 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I doesn't take a 'better' to crap on the board. It just takes a load of crap. Like yours.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:56 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I doesn't take a 'better' to crap on the board. It just takes a load of crap. Like yours.

I doesn't, huh?

lol

OK Ted

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 4:48 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
I doesn't, huh?

lol

LOL indeed. You're an idiot who can't field a legitimate argument.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 4:55 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And now for the political considerations,

That's murkier because there are more actors with a lot more considerations.

It's like the Iraq War II:

Some were Armageddonists and believed it would lead us one step closer to the Rapture.
Some were following the PNAC/Netenyahu dream of destroying five of Israel's enemies in the ME.
Some were dreaming of all that OIL that had been sequestered in the ground for over a decade bc of sanctions on Iraq
Some wanted to add one more piece to the "surround Russia" puzzle.
At least one person wanted to burnish his wartime record and do what his daddy didn't, which was take Baghdad.
And some were propping up the petrodollar, because Russia and France had written up NON-DOLLAR oil deals with Iraq, and it only took Hans Blix's UNMOVIC finding that Iraq was in substantial compliance with UN mandates to unblock Iraq and ink the contracts.

I would bet that you would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE in the security state or WH who believed that Saddam had a WMD program or had anything to do wth 911.

I personally think that the petrodollar was the prime consideration, since the closer Blix got to wrapping up his investigation the more frantic the GWB administration got. In fact, it was OUR BOMBING that cahsed Hans Blix out of Iraq. So, yeah: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED indeed!

I give this as an example of the complicated factionalism that drives DC.

I have to go and walk the dog, but I'll try to unpack the politics around covid-19 when I get back.

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So, back to the topic at hand.

There is often no SINGLE motivating factor driving DC policy, and quite often the real reasons for doing anything are quite obscure.

Looking at the Democrat policies, WHAT are they?

Lockdowns
Masking
Vaccination

Since we've already agreed that they have NO interest in protecting us "little people", why are they doing what they're doing?

Having turned up the Fear dial to 10, they have an immediate political to interest in being the pols who "solve" the problem, or who can spin it that way.

And since big pharma is such a huge donor to the DNC, I'm sure that they don't mind paying back the favor.

But there's more at work here. If they were interested in being the "saviors" of "the people", they would not now be hyperventilating about the Delta variant, they would be toasting their success and announcing "Freedom Day", like in Britain.

Instead, they're

Obsessed about "cases", not the more meaningful figure of "deaths" and re-imposing restrictions,

Talking about "vaccine passports" (which, given that the vaccines are only 40pct effective at preventing transmission, bringing the transmissibility of this Delta variant down to the original Wuhan strain - totally meaningless from a public health standpoint)

Re-instituting masking, which (IMHO) data is equivocal on whether those disposable blue masks do anything at all. From my personal experience, N95s work bc everyone in the family wore one to go shopping, and none of us ever got sick.

So in some ways, by insisting on vaccinations, they were saying that their initial measures didn't work, and by re-instituting restrictions and masking they're saying the vaccination didn't "work". So by hyperventilating about the Delta variant cases, they're ... well, not exactly admitting defeat (bc IMHO the vaccines did work) but they're keeping the Fear Dial cranked up to 9.

*****

BTW my health care providers are pretty good indicators of how serious the situation is at any one time. Before the vaccine rollout, they were very paranoid about people wearing masks, sanitizing their hands, taking temperatures, enforcing distancing, and having people fill out a Covid-19 health questionnaire. In fact, they handed out their own masks to people if they didn't like the masks people came in with, especially earlier this year. Specialists were being ordered to work the Covid ward and the cardiologist that I saw was none too happy about it. I got the impression they had a lot of seriously ill people in hospital and they were all pretty damn paranoid about getting sick

When I went in yesterday, they just handed me a sticker bc I had "a" mask on, the tech was mask-less, and basically they didn't give a shit, so my impression is there's no pressure of lots of sick people driving their practices at the moment.

Now, I have to get to work so I'll finish this later.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 5:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

BTW Signy - I'm still interested in your take on the politics of COVID-19.

ETA: oh, we cross-posted!

Anyway, interesting point about the health-care people you've run across.

FWIW what ** I ** think should be happening is N95s for everyone in the US. It'd be certainly far cheaper than pushing vaccines$$ for everyone. I'm guessing the reason WHY it's not being done is because that won't blow the pharmas like the dems* want. As for all those unused vaccine stocks, I'm sure there are people in countries all around the globe who really want the vax. The more people who are vaccinated around the globe, the better the chance that new worse variants won't emerge as the virus mutates its way to being more contagious/ less pathogenic (because the transition is rough).

As for the delta strain blossoming in China, the Sinovac has a pretty low effectiveness, but especially in older people.

BTW, I STILL think that mixing vax technologies - mRNA v adenovirus-vectored - is the way to go, to get a more complete immune response. And I really hope they look into nasal vaccination, for transmissibility purposes.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:09 PM

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Quote:
I doesn't, huh?

lol

LOL indeed. You're an idiot who can't field a legitimate argument.

Oh. Don't pretend that you're not as much of a grammar nazi as I am.

You're also the one who flung personal attacks here first again, just like you always do. Every time.

You're also the one playing the pussy card when everybody knows that I'm an asshole to everybody who deserves it.

You're so oppressed.

Dumb bitch coward.

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Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:53 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, instead of riding in on a white charger as the hero of the story, the DNC has opted to keep the Fear Dial at "simmer".

Why would they do that?

I can think of a LOT of reasons, but unlike the Iraq story, I feel that I haven't found the real reason, or the most important reason, yet.

So, in no particular order

The DNC wants a ready-made excuse for the financial and economic shitshow that they know is coming.

They want to stretch this out until the mid-terms so they can fudge mail-in vote counting. Again. (Not, I don't think, a realistic possiblity. People's everyday experience will eventually trump disinformation.)

They want to use the "crisis" - as they use ALL "crises" - to strengthen centralized control on all forms of communication- corporate social media, private messages, emails, and cable/broadcast outlets.

They want to make people dependent on government handouts (VOTE DEM!), so instead of fostering a robust economic recovery, they want to continue to hobble it.

They want to "rally the troops" and/or demonize Trump supporters on this wedge issue.

And that I think is a very strong point. By making this a health and safety issue, they not only have people people disagreeing with each other, they have people FEARING each other, existentially. They've split the population and put up a huge wall between them which will be almost impossible to breach. One side is afraid the other side will kill them, the other side is afraid the first side will (in essence) put them in concentration camps.

RUSSIA!RUSSIA! didn't do it. Ukrainegate didn't. WHITE NATIONALISM didn't. BLM/Antifa did, but only for some. But THIS is a wedge issue of giant proportions.

And look! They've succeeded!

SIX is in nutbag-land, denying facts that people in their everyday experience know, and arguing against people who fundementally agree with him, while others are ALSO in nutbag-land and insisting that everyone get the shot as if their life depended on it. Nobody tolerates middle ground, which is - IMHO- where policy should be.

In the process, with all of the lies the media has told and corporate social media has fostered, the establishment has burned its trust with half the population to a cinder, and now people are ready to believe any damn fool thing that comes along, as long as it doesn't sound like it's coming from "the establishment". So it's easy to portray one side as a bunch of cowards and the other side as a bunch of idiots.

I need to think this thru and see if I missed anything.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:56 AM

I appreciate your sincerity even though you're wrong Sigs.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 3:22 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Some people deny facts that others, in their everyday experience, know.

Saying "Nobody ever died of Covid-19" doesn't go very far with people who've seen or experienced the virus IRL. All it does is piss people off and make those statements look crazy, stupid, supremely selfish, or all three.

And lying about what others say ... well, that doesn't go very far either. Especially since the internet does a good job of recording who posted what, when.

BTW, I don't appreciate sincerity. Being sincere is easy. Being objective is much harder, and very rare.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 5:20 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Trump estimates 100 million would be dead from COVID-19 without his vaccine efforts. He is far too modest. A billion would have died without Trump's absolutely essential contribution. He is truly and uniquely important for winning against Covid-19.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-estimates-100-million-dead-024200431.html

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:31 AM

THG

Dick Farrel, Anti-Vax Radio Host and Former Newsmax Anchor, Dies at 65 of COVID Complications

After calling Fauci a "power-tripping lying freak" and urging people not to get vaccinated as recently as June, Farrel changed his tune after contracting the virus himself and entering the hospital roughly three weeks ago.

"Covid Took One Of My Best Friends!" his friend Amy Leigh Hair wrote on Facebook. "He is the reason I took the shot! He texted me and told me to 'Get it!; He told me that this virus is no joke and he said: 'I wish I had gotten it!'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/dick-farrel-anti-vax-radio-host-and-
former-newsmax-anchor-dies-at-65-of-covid-complications/ar-AAN3FVm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

And another one bites the dust...

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, I don't appreciate sincerity. Being sincere is easy. Being objective is much harder, and very rare.

I appreciate both.

You're not being objective, but you are being sincere. And 1 out of 2 ain't bad.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:43 AM

One more hypocrisy over all of this...

Kiki and others argue that a business can decide if people get vaccinated or not.

YET...

The CDC can just swoop in and tell landlords that they can't collect their fucking rent.

Does that seem right to you?

Checkmate. Bitches.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:07 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The CDC can just swoop in and tell landlords that they can't collect their fucking rent.

Does that seem right to you?

Checkmate. Bitches.

I read the moratorium. I does NOT say that landlords can't collect rent: "This Order has no effect on the contractual obligations of renters to pay rent and shall not preclude charging or collecting fees, penalties, or interest as a result of the failure to pay rent or other housing payment on a timely basis"

It does NOT even say landlords can't evict. It does say that there will be a slow and erratic, maybe even non-existent, process to fine the landlord many years after the evictions. A lawyer could easily stall the paying of that fine for ever and ever: "Under 18 U.S.C. 3559, 3571; 42 U.S.C. 271; and 42 CFR 70.18, a person violating this Order may be subject to a fine of no more than $100,000 or one year in jail, or both, if the violation does not result in a death, or a fine of no more than $250,000 or one year in jail, or both if the violation results in a death, or as otherwise provided by law."

See "Criminal Penalties" on page 17 of
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/communication/Signed-CDC-Evi
ction-Order.pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:27 PM

A bunch of legal gobbledy gook so retards like you can pretend that bad things aren't bad.

Fuck you, Second. You'd be screaming right now if you owned real estate.

You're missing the point anyhow.

While we're going to pretend that the Government can't prevent a business from instituting a vaccine mandate, let's also get rid of the minimum wage mandate.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:29 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, I don't appreciate sincerity. Being sincere is easy. Being objective is much harder, and very rare.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I appreciate both.

No you don't.

Your brother was entirely sincere with his 'vax or you're not welcome' policy. And you don't appreciate that one bit.

And then, here you are, being neither objective nor sincere.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:32 PM

THG

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, I don't appreciate sincerity. Being sincere is easy. Being objective is much harder, and very rare.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I appreciate both.
No you don't.

Your brother was entirely sincere with his 'vax or you're not welcome' policy. And you don't appreciate that one bit.

And then, here you are, being neither objective nor sincere.

I can fully appreciate his sincerity while showing mine as well.

His sincerity cost him a family member. That's forever. There's no going back on that one.

And many of his vaccinated family members didn't go either, because they're not going to be dictated what they need to do.

He and his new family are on their own now.

Good luck to them.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:03 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A bunch of legal gobbledy gook so retards like you can pretend that bad things aren't bad.

Fuck you, Second. You'd be screaming right now if you owned real estate.

You're missing the point anyhow.

While we're going to pretend that the Government can't prevent a business from instituting a vaccine mandate, let's also get rid of the minimum wage mandate.

There has been talk about abolishing the minimum wage:
Abolish the Federal Minimum Wage
Local governments and entrepreneurs are in the best position to decide what wages should be.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-25/abolish-the-fede
ral-minimum-wage

While they are abolishing laws, how about child labor protections?
A Case against Child Labor Prohibitions. Those kids need to work to support their families!
https://www.cato.org/economic-development-bulletin/case-against-child-
labor-prohibitions

I caused a management crisis because the client I was working for, Rohm & Haas, didn't like beards. The justification? Respirators that Rohm & Haas provide, which I would have to wear if there was an accidental release, won't fit air-tight over a beard. There never was an accident, but I cut the beard. Life is terribly hard and unjust for workers in America, but thankfully the Republican Party, and especially Trump, are fighting to raise the minimum wage (and lower the number of vaccinations and masks).

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:03 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

appreciate:
To be thankful or show gratitude for.

I don't think you ever thanked your brother or showed gratitude for his decision.

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Sunday, August 8, 2021 5:04 PM