Some Covid-19 thoughts by captaincrunch

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
*yawn*

Baby yawns like an idiot

Trump Is Still Bragging About Passing His Cognitive Test

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Monday, December 20, 2021 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
*yawn*
Baby yawns like an idiot

Is that you? Awwwwww. Cute.

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Trump Is Still Bragging About Passing His Cognitive Test

It really shouldn't be something to brag about. But that was before we had a year of a President* who can't pass his cognitive test.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Monday, December 20, 2021 2:58 PM

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Immunity
https://xkcd.com/2557/

This plan may sound appealing to people who know a little about the immune system, but the drawbacks are clear to people who know a lot about the immune system and also to people who don't know anything about it.

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Monday, December 20, 2021 3:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The problem with aiming for "natural immunity" is that, for some people, the risk of dying from Covid the " natural way" is far higher than the risk of dying from the vaccine.

Unless you live in SIX's inside-out world.

What SIX can't seem to understand is that various factions have weaponized the pandemic, but for different reasons. Pharma wants to make money, but politicians want social control.

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Omicron seems to be a mild infection which rarely causes hospitalization. Not something I'd personally want to catch, but this focus on "cases" (not deaths) is obvious fear-mongering by various governments so they can clamp down even further. (See "V for Vendetta")

WHY governments want to clamp down, aside from the general desire of most governments to want more control, is a matter of speculation. But I believe they anticipate a general economic and financial breakdown and want the levers already in place to prevent, in essence, a general revolt.

Once more was known about SARS-Cov2, it seems to me that the BEST approach would have been "targeted protection". i.e. protect the vulnerable. If they had done that, we wouldn't have had the farce of sick people being returned to nursing homes, not would we have had all of those general lockdowns and vaccine mandates, and there wouldn't have been such pushback on treatment with ivermectin and pretreatment with HCQ.(But then, the DNC had to repay its pharma donors somehow.)

So the obese, ppl over the age of 50, immune-compromised younger ppl, and those for whatever reason simply concerned about getting sick could have been preferentially prescribed N95s, and assisted (for example) with food deliveries and subsidies to allow them to self-isolate as necessary.

Everyone else willing to take their chances would be allowed.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, December 20, 2021 3:52 PM

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Travel bans are stupid. Let’s focus on other stuff.
By Kevin Drum, Published on December 20, 2021 – 11:07 am

Israel has added the US and Canada to its travel ban, and it seems likely that other countries are going to start doing the same in the face of the Omicron onslaught.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I don't get it. What's the point of all these bans? Omicron is already in every country and it's going to spread whether people travel or not. In fact, since proof of vaccination is required to travel, the people entering all these countries are probably safer than the average resident.

What's more, a grueling five-minute scan of Google suggests that epidemiologists pretty much agree about this. Generally speaking, a travel ban might slow down transmission in a region that hasn't been hit with a particular virus—which means the initial COVID travel bans in early 2020 might have done a little bit of good—but it doesn't do any good if the virus is already there. And in the case of COVID in December 2021, the virus is already everywhere.

So this is all just virus theater, and it's a huge pain in the ass for a lot of people. Why don't we knock off this nonsense and put our energy into stuff that actually has an effect?

China was the target of the initial COVID travel bans in early 2020. They might have done some temporary good, but as this chart shows, probably not much. Countries with and without bans seem to have done about the same.

https://jabberwocking.com/travel-bans-are-stupid-lets-focus-on-other-s
tuff/

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Monday, December 20, 2021 6:59 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

There are several statistics one can apply to any measure. Of those statistics, one is 'average' (central tendency, with various calculations available such as mean, median, and mode), and another is dispersion (also using various calculations).

What I see in the chart is that 'travel restriction' numbers are evenly scatted all over the graph. But 'no travel restriction' numbers are mainly clustered at the high end.

Travel restrictions obviously CAN work, because they provide a different set of data than having no travel restrictions.

What that indicates to me is that someone needs to figure out the specifics that lead to success with travel restrictions, by examining the places where they did work v the places where they didn't work.

As for the comment about China's travel restrictions not being effective, since it isn't listed on the graph it would be really hard to say using it as an example.

But going by other figures - from DIVOC-91 - countries with travel restrictions like Australia, NZ, Singapore, Macau, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China did a really good job keeping their numbers very low.

I personally don't think travel restrictions are THE answer. They're a way to buy time, until one can, for example, deploy vaccines.

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Monday, December 20, 2021 7:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/health/omicron-vaccines-efficacy.ht
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Most of the World’s Vaccines Likely Won’t Prevent Infection From Omicron

A growing body of preliminary research suggests the Covid vaccines used in most of the world offer almost no defense against becoming infected by the highly contagious Omicron variant.

All vaccines still seem to provide a significant degree of protection against serious illness from Omicron, which is the most crucial goal. But only the Pfizer and Moderna shots, when reinforced by a booster, appear to have initial success at stopping infections, and these vaccines are unavailable in most of the world.

The other shots — including those from AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and vaccines manufactured in China and Russia — do little to nothing to stop the spread of Omicron, early research shows. And because most countries have built their inoculation programs around these vaccines, the gap could have a profound impact on the course of the pandemic.

A global surge of infections in a world where billions of people remain unvaccinated not only threatens the health of vulnerable individuals but also increases the opportunity for the emergence of yet more variants. The disparity in the ability of countries to weather the pandemic will almost certainly deepen. And the news about limited vaccine efficacy against Omicron infection could depress demand for vaccination throughout the developing world, where many people are already hesitant or preoccupied with other health problems.

Most evidence so far is based on laboratory experiments, which do not capture the full range of the body’s immune response, and not from tracking the effect on real-world populations. The results are striking, however.

The Pfizer and Moderna shots use the new mRNA technology, which has consistently offered the best protection against infection with every variant. All of the other vaccines are based on older methods of triggering an immune response.

The Chinese vaccines Sinopharm and Sinovac — which make up almost half of all shots delivered globally — offer almost zero protection from Omicron infection. The great majority of people in China have received these shots, which are also widely used in low-and middle-income countries such as Mexico and Brazil.

A preliminary effectiveness study in Britain found that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine showed no ability to stop Omicron infection six months after vaccination. Ninety percent of vaccinated people in India received this shot, under the brand name Covishield; it has also been widely used across much of sub-Saharan Africa, where Covax, the global Covid vaccine program, has distributed 67 million doses of it to 44 countries.

Researchers predict that Russia’s Sputnik vaccine, which is also being used in Africa and Latin America, will show similarly dismal rates of protection against Omicron.

Demand for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine had been surging in Africa, because its single-shot delivery regimen makes it easy to deliver in low-resource settings. But it too has shown a negligible ability to block Omicron infection.

Antibodies are the first line of defense induced by vaccines. But the shots also stimulate the growth of T cells, and preliminary studies suggest that these T cells still recognize the Omicron variant, which is important in preventing severe disease.

“What you lose first is protection against asymptomatic mild infection, what you retain much better is protection against severe disease and death,” said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. He called it “a silver lining” that Omicron so far appears less lethal than the Delta variant.

But this protection will not be enough to prevent Omicron from causing global disruption, said J. Stephen Morrison, director of the Global Health Policy Center at the Center for International and Strategic Studies.

“The sheer scale of infection will overwhelm health systems, simply because the denominator will be potentially so big,” he said. “If you have a burst of infection worldwide, a shock, what does the world look like on the other side of it? Is it, ‘The war is over,’ or, ‘The war has just entered another phase’? We haven’t begun thinking about any of that.”

People with breakthrough cases may experience only asymptomatic infection or mild illness, but they can pass the virus to unvaccinated people, who could fall more severely ill, and become a source of new variants.

Dr. Seth Berkley, the chief executive of Gavi, the global vaccine alliance, said that more data was needed before drawing conclusions about vaccines’ effectiveness against Omicron — and that accelerated vaccination should continue to be the focus of pandemic response.

Preliminary data from South Africa suggest that with Omicron, there is a much higher chance of people who already had Covid getting reinfected than there was with the original virus and previous variants. But some public health experts say they believe that countries that have already been through brutal waves of Covid, such as Brazil and India, may have a buffer against Omicron, and vaccination after infection produces high antibody levels.

“The combination of vaccination and exposure to the virus seems to be stronger than only having the vaccine,” said Ramanan Laxminarayan, an epidemiologist. India, he noted, has an adult vaccination rate of only about 40 percent but 90 percent exposure to the virus in some areas.

“Without a doubt Omicron is going to flood through India,” he said. “But hopefully India is protected to some extent because of vaccination and exposure.”

China does not have this layer of protection to back up its weak vaccines. Because of China’s aggressive efforts to stop spread of the virus within its borders, relatively few people have previous exposure. Only an estimated 7 percent of people in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, were infected

Much of Latin America has relied on the Chinese and Russian vaccines, and on AstraZeneca. Mario Rosemblatt, a professor of immunology at the University of Chile, said that more than 90 percent of Chileans had had two doses of one vaccine, but the great majority of these were Coronavac, the Sinovac shot. High vaccination coverage combined with early reports that Omicron does not cause serious illness is leading to a false sense of security in the country, he said.

“We have to get people to understand that it doesn’t work like that: If you get high transmissibility you’re going to have the health system saturated because the number of people getting ill will be higher,” he said.

Brazil has recommended that all vaccinated people get a third dose, and it started using Pfizer’s vaccine for all boosters, but only 40 percent of the vaccinated have turned up to get the extra shot. Dr. Amilcar Tanuri, a virologist at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, said with cautious optimism that the high levels of previous Covid exposure might blunt Omicron’s impact but noted that the most vulnerable Brazilians, vaccinated first, got Coronavac, and tens of millions more were given AstraZeneca.

Mr. Morrison called Omicron’s ability to evade the protection of vaccination “a massive setback” for low- and middle-income countries, where, far from any discussion of boosters, the focus is still on delivering first shots.

“The world gets cleaved into two parts, right?” he said. “It’s those that have a quick path toward boosters versus those who have had very limited progress and suddenly they’re subject to this new lashing.”

Just 13 percent of people in Africa have received at least one dose of a Covid vaccine.

Dr. Laxminarayan said the Indian government, to which he is an occasional adviser, was considering booster shots, but the Delta variant still poses a significant threat in India, and two vaccine doses offer protection against Delta. That presents the government with a difficult choice between focusing on getting people who remain unvaccinated, or only partly vaccinated, to two doses, or trying to get boosters to older people and those with high-risk medical conditions as protection against Omicron.

The news that the non-mRNA vaccines offer little protection against infection from Omicron may further erode demand for shots in countries already struggling to build demand, Mr. Morrison said.

“This challenges the whole value of vaccines,” he said. “If you’re so far behind and then you suffer this, it’s going to feed anti-vaccine sentiment and weaken confidence.”

Tolbert Nyenswah, a senior researcher with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said the emerging threat to countries in the global south that have relied on non-mRNA vaccines was an indictment of wealthy countries’ failure to share that technology or help build production points in low- and middle-income countries.

As a consequence, dangerous variants will continue to emerge from areas with low vaccination coverage and will prolong the pandemic, predicted Dr. Nyenswah, who was deputy minister of health in Liberia through that country’s worst Ebola outbreak.

Dr. Berkley at Gavi said it would be a serious mistake for countries to ease up on their vaccination push or to assume that only mRNA vaccines are worth distributing.

“We may be seeing a situation where countries say, ‘If developed countries don’t want these vaccines, then we don’t want these vaccines,’” he said. “That, of course, would be the wrong interpretation, if it turns out that these vaccines prevent against severe disease and death.”

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Monday, December 20, 2021 7:32 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sorry if sumwun posted this alredy:

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-to-grow-70
-times-faster-than-delta-in-bronchial-tissue]Omicron multipliez 70x faster in broncial tissue[/url]

I gather that meanz in the upper respiratory area, so maybe produsing much more exhaled particlez? The next variation uv this will also multiply that fast deep in the lungz. Then soon after, a version that develops that fast in the rest uv the body.

48 owrz divided by 70 = :shock:

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I found the original research article about Omicron transmissibility and pathogenicity but I haven't read it yet. Going by media reports, Omicron is more transmissible because it infects and propagates in upper airways better, but less pathogenic because it infects and propagates in lung tissue worse.

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Monday, December 20, 2021 7:43 PM

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Trump: Don’t let liberals take credit for the vaccines
Author Kevin Drum, Published on December 20, 2021 – 2:02 pm

Check this out. It's only a minute long video:
Video is at https://twitter.com/NoSpinNews/status/1472983120601403400

'You’re playing right into their hands' when you doubt the vaccine, President Trump says.
President Trump Got the Booster
President Trump reveals to Bill O'Reilly that he got the COVID vaccine booster.
11:31 AM · Dec 20, 2021·Twitter Media Studio

This is just jaw dropping. Finally, a year after vaccines became available, Donald Trump is telling his fans that he was the one responsible for getting them out so fast and they've saved "tens of millions of lives."

You're playing right into their hands when you're sort of like, "oh the vaccine"....We saved tens of millions of lives. Take credit. Don't let them take that away from you.

"Them" is liberals, in case you're wondering. And that's fine. Trump could pretend that he uncovered a plot by Hunter Biden to wreck the vaccine supply if that's what it takes to get conservatives on board.

Can you imagine if Trump had taken this position from the start? We'd probably be 90% vaxed by now. Hell, Republicans might have a higher vaccination rate than Democrats.

Better late than never, I suppose. I wonder how this is going to go over with the faithful?

https://jabberwocking.com/trump-dont-let-liberals-take-credit-for-the-
vaccines/

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Monday, December 20, 2021 8:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'd have to go back and dig into the technologies of the various vaccines to see if I can come up with a reasonably valid idea of why only the mRNA vaccines seems to work against infection (even though they weren't developed to guard against infection, only severe disease and death).

But offhand my first surmise is that it was because the mRNA vaccines were based on the entire spike protein (one original version used only a portion of the spike protein but it was never pursued to clinical trials). And that since the entire spike protein was freshly manufactured by the body's own virus-making machines (the ribosomes, which make ALL of the body's proteins), the newly-minted mRNA spike proteins were a lot more like the viral spike protein in its native state. Since the mRNA spike proteins looked more like the virus, they triggered antibodies that worked better against the virus.

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Monday, December 20, 2021 11:57 PM

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This tweet doesn't say what is the time length. Probably it is 30 days.

Latest CDC data by vaccine status:

Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k

8:10 AM · Dec 20, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1472932495092232201

The COVID DATA TRACKER WEEKLY REVIEW ought to try digesting their data and presenting it to the public in the above form.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.h
tml

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 5:08 AM

Biden Tests Negative For Coronavirus After Flying On Air Force One With Covid-Positive Staffer
https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2021/12/20/biden-tests-negat
ive-for-coronavirus-after-flying-on-air-force-one-with-covid-positive-staffer/

With political paralysis and COVID surge, problems pile up for Biden
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/world/politics-diplomacy-
world/congress-coronavirus-joe-biden/

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Biden Covid Deaths

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

360,200 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

USA Cases 48,999,000 +
India 34,555,431
Brazil 22,055,608

Death Worldwide per Million
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwi
de-per-million-inhabitants/
Evolved Variant Mutations?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2
Mortality
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

397,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office.
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

USA 52,059,000+
India 34,752,164
Brazil 22,215,856

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 7:16 AM

Biden to pledge 500 million free COVID-19 tests to counter omicron surge

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-aud-nw-biden-covid-tests
-omicron-20211221-yg6kg625njg3ldvqdxlk57h3dq-story.html

Biden Has A Stern Warning Regarding The Health Of Vaccine-Free Americans

https://rumble.com/vr58av-biden-has-a-stern-warning-regarding-the-heal
th-of-vaccine-free-americans.html

Kaufland store in Germany, segregating the vaccinated and unvaccinated

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Sr4SI5VAQpez/

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 8:11 AM

The Netherlands erupts into chaos as new Covid lockdown kicks in amid surging case numbers

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-netherlands-erupts-i
nto-chaos-as-new-covid-lockdown-kicks-in-amid-surging-case-numbers/news-story/fda19fc874497d5dbc9eaaca352b3d3f

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 10:53 AM

Deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

USA 828,000 +
Brazil 617,905
India 478,007

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 12:01 PM

THG

Deaths

806,335

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 8:30 PM

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U.S. population growth dipped to its lowest rate since the nation’s founding during the first year of the pandemic as the coronavirus curtailed immigration, delayed pregnancies and killed hundreds of thousands of U.S. residents, according to figures released Tuesday.

The United States grew by only 0.1%, with an additional 392,665 added to the U.S. population from July 2020 to July 2021, bringing the nation's count to 331.8 million people, according to population estimates released by the U.S. Census Bureau.

The U.S. has been experiencing slow population growth for years but the pandemic exacerbated that trend. This past year was the first time since 1937 that the nation’s population grew by less than 1 million people.

The population estimates are derived from calculating the number of births, deaths and migration in the U.S. For the first time, international migration surpassed natural increases that come from births outnumbering deaths. There was a net increase of nearly 245,000 residents from international migration but only about 148,000 from new births outnumbering deaths.

University of New Hampshire demographer Kenneth Johnson described the decline in the United States' natural population increase as “stunning," saying it was the smallest spread of births over deaths in more than 80 years.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-12-21/us-population-growt
h-at-lowest-rate-in-pandemics-1st-year

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/2021-population-es
timates.html

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Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:31 AM

399,000+ Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

Cases

USA 52,253,000+
India 34,758,481
Brazil 22,219,477

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Deaths

806,335

Where are you getting these numbers?

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Wednesday, December 22, 2021 2:50 PM

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US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Within weeks, Walter Reed researchers expect to announce that human trials show success against Omicron—and even future strains.

Unlike existing vaccines, Walter Reed’s SpFN uses a soccer ball-shaped protein with 24 faces for its vaccine, which allows scientists to attach the spikes of multiple coronavirus strains on different faces of the protein.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-v
accine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

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Wednesday, December 22, 2021 2:55 PM

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USA has a shortage of COVID testing kits because nobody ordered them

In Europe, healthcare is run by national governments. They ordered lots of kits at a low negotiated price, so manufacturers ramped up production to provide them. In the US, healthcare is run by no one in particular, so lots of kits weren't ordered. And if they're not ordered, they don't get made.

https://jabberwocking.com/we-have-a-shortage-of-covid-testing-kits-bec
ause-nobody-ordered-them/

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Thursday, December 23, 2021 5:27 PM

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It's insane how the people buying fake vaccination cards are literally the same people who complain about undocumented immigrants using fake documents.

https://nitter.domain.glass/i/status/1424764914573340672

They’re also starting to warm up to the "my body my choice" argument against vaccines. The insanity is those people are literally the same people who are "it's your body but not your choice" anti-abortion.

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Friday, December 24, 2021 9:59 AM

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"We’ve now lost 20,000 unvaccinated Texans since June. Those are people who needlessly lost their lives because they were defiant of vaccinations or refused vaccination for some reason. And those numbers could potentially double. We could break the 100,000 death mark in Texas by Q1."

-- Dr. Peter Hotez — dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine and co-director of the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children’s Hospital.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/COV
ID-Q-A-with-Peter-Hotez-We-could-break-the-16726552.php

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I'd have to go back and dig into the technologies of the various vaccines to see if I can come up with a reasonably valid idea of why only the mRNA vaccines seems to work against infection

Iz it possible that its bekuz they are 'tuning' the immune respons to the virus more spesificly than iz natural? Or bringing more uv the immune system to bear agenst this spesific thret than natural?

I'm not sure therez a practical distinction there.

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 10:53 AM

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Infowars host Alex Jones issued an "emergency Christmas Day warning" to former President Donald Trump on Saturday, after Trump touted the COVID-19 vaccine in a recent interview.

The interview incensed Jones, a fervent anti-vaccination proponent who profits by promoting his own products as cures against the coronavirus.

"This is an emergency Christmas Day warning to President Trump," Jones said in Saturday's video. "You are either completely ignorant about the so-called vaccine gene therapy you helped ram through with Operation Warp Speed, or you are the most evil man who has ever lived to push this toxic poison on the public and to attack your constituents when they simply try to save their lives and the lives of others."

He went on: "But now that you know that [Anthony] Fauci signed you onto a fraud, you must extricate yourself from this lie, or you will be forever known as the M.V.V.P., the Most Valuable Vaccine Pusher. And the name Trump will be associated with pure evil. Do not go down history as Josef Mengele 2.0."

More at https://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-slams-donald-trump-covid-vaccine-c
hristmas-day-warning-1663193

Alex Jones’s Bogus Coronavirus Cures

Many of Jones’s “health and wellness” products contain colloidal silver: SuperSilver Whitening Toothpaste, SuperSilver Wound Dressing Gel, ABL Nano Silver Gargle. “This stuff kills the whole SARS-corona family at point-blank range,” Jones said. “It kills every virus.” This is not true. This is why Jones is angry at Trump for promoting vaccination, since vaccination decreases Jones's sales of colloidal silver products.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210203145311/https://www.newyorker.com/m
agazine/2020/04/06/alex-jones-bogus-coronavirus-cures

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:38 AM

THG

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I'd have to go back and dig into the technologies of the various vaccines to see if I can come up with a reasonably valid idea of why only the mRNA vaccines seems to work against infection

Iz it possible that its bekuz they are 'tuning' the immune respons to the virus more spesificly than iz natural? Or bringing more uv the immune system to bear agenst this spesific thret than natural?

I'm not sure therez a practical distinction there.

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The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/]

Hello JO753. Nice to see you posting. I hope your Christmas was/is a good one.

T

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:42 AM

THG

Deaths

813,790

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 4:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

So sad ??

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 4:49 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Iz it possible that its bekuz they are 'tuning' the immune respons to the virus more spesificly than iz natural? Or bringing more uv the immune system to bear agenst this spesific thret than natural?

I'm not sure therez a practical distinction there.

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The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

Viruses contain many more proteins than just the outer 'spike' protein. So when you develop an immune response to a naturally occurring viral infection, you develop antibodies to all those various proteins.

The mRNA vaccines are limited to just one protein - the external surface spike protein that anchors the virus onto cells as the first step of infection. So 2 things happen by limiting the vaccine proteins to just that one:
your immune response is completely focused on that one protein
that one protein that is THE key step at the beginning of every infection is neutralized by those antibodies.

IMO that should be the first step of every vaccine - focusing on pure, artificially created, non-infectious, single key proteins. I believe vaccines should be given in progressive sequences however. The next vaccine should contain a mix of viral or bacterial proteins, so that the body develops a robust immune response to the entire virus or bacteria. And the final vaccine should be weakened (non-infectious) viruses or bacteria.

I also think the delivery route should be tailored to the infective agent.

The first vaccine should be injectable. That gives one an 'internal' immunity against internal damage, like pneumonia. And I think the second one should be injectable as well.

But 'external' surfaces like the nose, mouth, eyes, gut, and so on have their own separate immune systems apart from the immune system that works in the blood. And I think the final vaccine should be spayed, dripped, washed, swallowed etc to vaccinate those surfaces. Just imo of course.

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 8:30 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Thats new info for me. Thanks.

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Sunday, December 26, 2021 8:35 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

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Hello JO753. Nice to see you posting. I hope your Christmas was/is a good one.

T

Yes, sorta. Just lazing around the hotel room. Got bored so kot up here a little and woct 3 owrz uv snooker.

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Monday, December 27, 2021 8:36 AM

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A Texas cardiologist recently made a claim about the risk of myocarditis in teens from the COVID-19 vaccine, citing a study that health experts raised doubts about in September. He also floated a debunked claim that 45,000 Americans have died from the vaccine.

Dr. Peter McCullough made the claims in an appearance on the "DarkHorse Podcast; an article about his appearance, from the website Conservative Fighters, carried the headline: "Top cardiologist: Study shows COVID vaccines are more dangerous than covid itself."

"The most shocking thing in the Hoag analysis was that a child ages 12-17 is more likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis than taking your chances with COVID and ever getting hospitalized with COVID," McCullough claimed.

The claim is not accurate.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/23/peter-mccollough/ben
efits-covid-19-vaccines-far-outweigh-risks-teen/

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Monday, December 27, 2021 11:02 AM

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Jesse Kelly @JesseKellyDC

To clarify:

When I take power, communists will not be allowed to hold jobs. Their children won’t be allowed in schools. They won’t be allowed in bars or restaurants. And that’s just the standard communists.

People who’ve been pushing covid tyranny will be sent to work camps.

4:13 PM · Dec 21, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/jessekellydc/status/1473416336667820032

Who is Jesse Kelly?
https://www.jessekellyshow.com/

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Monday, December 27, 2021 5:21 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Every policy should have a risk/ benefit studies attached to it. You need to calculate - as accurately as possible, with error bars attached - the benefits per capita, and the risks per capita.

So for COVID-19 vaccines, one would need to calculate the benefits per capita, divided by age groups if needed; and the risks per capita, divided by age groups if needed.

What protection does the vaccine give against death, hospitalization, severe disease, long term (or permanent) disability, mild illness, infection, transmission, and so on. And what side effects per capita does vaccination create in terms of death, hospitalization, severe disease, long term (or permanent) disability, mild illness, infection, transmission, and so on.

And obviously the same calculations need to be made for no-vaccinations.

Now once you have you per capita figures, you can start calculating numbers in your population. You can run different figures based on how many people you think will become infected with and without vaccination.

That will give you population figures for the benefits and risks of vaccination versus the benefits and risks of no vaccination.

I GUARANTEE THESE STUDIES - EVEN IF ONLY PRELIMINARY - HAVE BEEN DONE.

But for all the stories I've scanned through, I have never seen links to those studies for the pediatric (younger than 18) population.

How many children will be infected in which age range? How many will die or suffer permanent or serious damage from infection? How many children will be protected through vaccination? How will overall population transmission be affected by vaccinating younger age groups? And, how many younger people will suffer death or permanent damage or serious side effects from vaccination?

I've read - for example - that the risks of pediatric COVID-19 are far worse than the risks of vaccination. Where's the study(ies) to back that up? I've also read that the risk of vaccine myocarditis is very low, and that it's virtually completely mild and self-limiting. Where are the links to that information?

Any time I see something being pushed in the media without links to actual - you know - evidence, it makes me wary.

Maybe someone with the time and interest can look up the studies for all POV's about pediatric COVID-19 infections and vaccines. But until I see actual links to actual studies, I'm putting the topic of pediatric vaccination in the 'something smells funny' bin.

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Monday, December 27, 2021 5:29 PM

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So sad ??

What is?

The fact that they're putting your people in concentration camps?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Monday, December 27, 2021 5:30 PM

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It's insane how the people buying fake vaccination cards are literally the same people who complain about undocumented immigrants using fake documents.

https://nitter.domain.glass/i/status/1424764914573340672

I would never get a fake vaccination card.

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They’re also starting to warm up to the "my body my choice" argument against vaccines. The insanity is those people are literally the same people who are "it's your body but not your choice" anti-abortion.

Incorrect again. The government has no business making any laws regarding the right to an abortion, other than the father having a say in whether or not the baby is going to be murdered.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Monday, December 27, 2021 6:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It is NOT the baby-daddy's body, therefore it is NOT his choice, and never should be.

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Monday, December 27, 2021 6:46 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Funny bc hubby and I were just discussing the risks from the vaccine v the risks from Covid_19 in the pediatric and young adult population. My guess is that the vaccine is less risky than the virus itself.. unless you're talking about the Omicron variant, which does seem to be pretty mild.

But even if the risks from vaccination pencil out to be less than the risks from COVID-19 virus itself for the pediatric population does not mean a vaccine mandate is reasonable. Public health efforts only take effect when the risk exceeds a certain threshold... during testimony about a particular toxic facility the public health doctor estimated that threshold to be appx 500 in a million. That would be the risk from contaminated water, or smoking/secondhand smoke, for example. Public health measures are not invoked to protect everyone from every possible risk.

It would be better if TPTB would spit out their best estimates so far: risk of "doing something" v risk of "doing nothing", and - since the vaccine primarily protects the vaccinated, not the surrounding ppl- let those at risk make up their own minds.

Funny thing is, I worked with a young man who developed myocarditis or percarditis (not sure which) -this was long before the pandemic- and the doctors surmised he had caught some virus, apparently a mostly inconsequential one, and developed the "itis" bc of that, so there is a normal incidence anyway, even w/o SARS-Cov2 or the vaccine.

Still looking for that info on WHICH 5 proteins (of the 29 that make up the virus) are pathological to human endothelial tissue. Are they all spike proteins? (I doubt it.) Or are they distributed between the spike, envelope, membrane and nucleocapsid proteins? That would provide a mechanism for estimating the risk from a spike-based vaccine v the risk froma complete viral panoply of proteins.

That info also seems obscured.

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Monday, December 27, 2021 8:25 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Interesting ... I too tangentially worked with someone who developed myocarditis but this was specifically from the 'flu', and he was an older guy - close to my age - generally fit, but a really heavy smoker. I was talking with him when he came back to visit to see how he was doing. It very definitely took the starch out of him, as people say. Plus one of my direct co-worker's mothers got pericarditis, also probably from a virus infection, but hers was recurring. She had to have a 'window' cut into her pericardium after the second time she developed pericardial effusion. What a strange confluence of events. I find all that interesting.

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Monday, December 27, 2021 9:27 PM

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It is NOT the baby-daddy's body, therefore it is NOT his choice, and never should be.

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It's BOTH of their choice.

And if not, then full financial responsibility lies with women.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Monday, December 27, 2021 10:12 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
It is NOT the baby-daddy's body, therefore it is NOT his choice, and never should be.

SIX: It's BOTH of their choice.

Why? Aside from the fact that you feel entitled to hijack a woman's body for 9 months, that is. Give me one cogent reason that doesn't involve entitlement.

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SIX: And if not, then full financial responsibility lies with women.

Realistically, birth control methods do fail. There is ALWAYS a risk of unintentional pregnancy.

This is an asymmetric situation. If the woman decides to have an abortion, the man is off the hook, financially. If she decides to carry to term, there's quite a bit of responsibility attached. So I guess men should have sex accordingly.

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Monday, December 27, 2021 11:48 PM

Fuck you Sigs.

It takes two to tango.

Just because the woman carries doesn't mean she should be able to make the choice to murder the baby or ruin the man's life on her own.

The slut needed to cum too.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:36 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Of course one always knows who the woman is who got pregnant, but - before DNA testing - no one could ever be sure who the man was. That gave men plausible deniability, and men often took advantage of that. Not me! Not mine! (I'm outa' here.)

So in the past women had far more invested in birth control than men. And often men didn't care to do anything about birth control, or even consider the problem, since they could always deny anything to do with a baby and simply walk away.

But birth control does fail. Well, since men took themselves out of the equation, that left abortion up to the women culturally-speaking.

But that wasn't the basis for Roe v Wade. A pregnant woman who gives birth faces a 25x higher risk - of dying - than from having an abortion.
"The maternal mortality rate in the U.S. for 2018 was 17.4 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births."
"The abortion-related mortality rate in 2000-2009 in the United States was 0.7 per 100,000 abortions"

And certainly the man isn't facing death from pregnancy and birth. So why should he have the final say in a woman's medical future?

Anyway, DNA testing changed the entire equation. Now a man can unambiguously be identified as the father. But male prerogatives are taking a long time catching up to the current realities. Men can no longer hide behind anonymity. So now men who are identified as fathers complain about being 'trapped' - as if, somehow, birth control was beyond their reach.

But no man can be 'trapped'. If he really, REALLY doesn't want that paternity suit brought against him, he has more than enough ways to make sure that doesn't happen.

Oh btw Jack, instead of addressing the topic, I see you resorted to your usual - trolling.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 1:37 AM

When men stop having sex with women, don't ask why.

Doesn't matter to you two anymore though.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 1:38 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck you Sigs.

It takes two to tango.
Just because the woman carries doesn't mean she should be able to make the choice to murder the baby or ruin the man's life on her own.

The slut needed to cumtoo.

You're not seriously suggesting a woman has to come in order to get pregnant, are you?

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 2:41 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck you Sigs.

It takes two to tango.
Just because the woman carries doesn't mean she should be able to make the choice to murder the baby or ruin the man's life on her own.

The slut needed to cumtoo.
You're not seriously suggesting a woman has to come in order to get pregnant, are you?

WTF? Why would you even think I meant that?

Bitch needed to cum so she fucked. She's just as guilty for getting pregnant as the guy who needed to cum.

Plenty of ways for a man to cum that doesn't involve making the most expensive mistake of their life.

Millennials were the first generation to figure that out on a large scale.

Gen Z is doing it en masse.

Have fun with your cats, ladies.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:02 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You DO realize that women don't need a man to 'cum' either, right? They don't even need another person. Or are you really that ignorant?

I'm voting ignorant.

Just like all of the other bullshit you've posted for years, saying something a million times doesn't make it true.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 6:46 AM

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6ix has brought this up before: MGTOW or Men Going Their Own Way

Many followers of MGTOW seek to eliminate interactions with women from their lives, including romantic relationships and marriage, out of a sexist belief that male/female interactions only result in women abusing men, taking their money, and so on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=MGTOW

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:44 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck you Sigs.
It takes two to tango.
Just because the woman carries doesn't mean she should be able to make the choice to murder the baby or ruin the man's life on her own.
The slut needed to cumtoo.

SIGNY: You're not seriously suggesting a woman has to come in order to get pregnant, are you?

SIX: WTF? Why would you even think I meant that?
Bitch needed to cum so she fucked. She's just as guilty for getting pregnant as the guy who needed to cum.

But ONLY SHE carries the risk to her health and her life. He can't do that for her.

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SIX: Plenty of ways for a man to cum that doesn't involve making the most expensive mistake of their life.

Same with women. You seriously think women don't masturbate?

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SIX: Millennials were the first generation to figure that out on a large scale. Gen Z is doing it en masse.

Umm... they knew about masturbating back in biblical times. It was considered a sin: "Thou shall not spill your seed upon the ground".

Unless the couple is married- i.e. they've made promises to each other- he has made no promises to her, and she has made no promises to him.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 1:03 PM

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Those mRNA vaccines are hot stuff! Maybe.
by Kevin Drum

A reader brought to my attention a CDC study of COVID-19 from late October that compared the mortality rate of vaccinated people vs. unvaccinated people. However, this study didn't do the usual boring thing and investigate deaths from COVID. It investigated deaths from non-COVID causes. Surprisingly, it turned out that mortality from non-COVID causes was way lower for people who had been vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm#T2_down

The standardized mortality rate from non-COVID causes was about 0.35 for vaccinated people vs. 1.11 for non-vaccinated people. This disparity held for all age groups, all races and ethnicities, and for both men and women. The disparity was biggest among the Black community: the unvaccinated mortality rate was more than 4x that of the vaccinated.

I am suspicious of these results, but not because I have any specific objections to the data gathering or the statistical analysis. Somebody with access to the raw data would have to comment on that.

However, I'm routinely suspicious of studies that show gigantic results. I mean, if these vaccines had some odd property that reduced your mortality rate by 10% or 20% or so, I might buy it. But 3x or more? That's beyond belief.

There's also this: I couldn't find any critiques of this study. Why? If these results are real, every medical researcher in the world should be gobsmacked. Money should be pouring into research labs that want to investigate what's going on. But that doesn't seem to be the case. These results were reported fairly widely when the study came out, but the mainstream press mostly ignored it and after that it disappeared. This makes no sense.

If this study is true, it's yet another great reason to get vaccinated—and to get happily boosted every year. But I would hold on for some independent confirmation before I started celebrating.

https://jabberwocking.com/those-mrna-vaccines-are-hot-stuff-maybe/

"Lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality in vaccinated groups suggest that COVID-19 vaccinees are inherently healthier or engage in fewer risk behaviors (7,8); future analyses will address these issues." -- https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

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