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In his recent book "Thank You for Your Servitude", my colleague Mark Leibovich quoted a former Republican representative who bluntly summarized his party’s plan for dealing with Trump: “We’re just waiting for him to die.” As it turns out, this is not an uncommon sentiment. In my conversations with Republicans, I heard repeatedly that the least disruptive path to getting rid of Trump, grim as it sounds, might be to wait for his expiration.

Ha! Good luck with that. Consider this:

• Donald Trump has a Filet-O-Fish–centered diet, exercises only by playing golf, and employs some of the least trustworthy-seeming doctors to have ever been associated with the medical profession.

• He did not take the threat of COVID seriously at all and actually got COVID himself just before the last election.

• He’s 76 years old.

• He nonetheless recovered fully from COVID and has had no known health problems since. He looks fine. (He looks less frail than the Democrats’ likely 2024 nominee, for one.)

Have you ever seen Velveeta go bad? No, because it’s not real food. The same is true of Donald Trump and being a human.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by second:
Have you ever seen Velveeta go bad? No, because it’s not real food. The same is true of Donald Trump and being a human.

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Originally posted by THG:



Koch to make sure Trump loses.

tick tock

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Originally posted by second:
Trump is the latest Republican to avoid his most notable success

Trump pointed to Operation Warp Speed as his most impressive accomplishment — right up until that became politically untenable as Republicans turned against vaccines with a vengeance.

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Trump is the latest Republican to avoid his most notable success

Trump pointed to Operation Warp Speed as his most impressive accomplishment — right up until that became politically untenable as Republicans turned against vaccines with a vengeance.

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Oh fuck off. Here's what Democrats said about the vaccine while Trump was still President.

After Biden* was elected, they took your fucking job if you didn't get the jab after a year of trying to guilt people into taking it didn't work. And no Democrat politician ever went out of their way to give Trump any of the credit for making vaccines happen so fast. (Something I don't even believe happened, because people more powerful than our President were scheming this whole thing from the beginning, even before Trump was President).

Now people ARE dying from the vaccine and the Democrats still want you to take it.

If Democrats didn't flip-flop all the goddamned time, a lot more of them would live much longer lives than they're going to.



Man... I'd love to see Democrats flip-flop again and start blaming Trump for the vaccine and boosters killing them once enough people die that they can't hide it anymore.

You motherfuckers did this to everyone, and everybody knows it. Trump wins in a landslide if the Democrats ever acknowledge the truth of what's happening to the people who were forced to take vaccines. They've lied so long and so hard about this that they're stuck now and couldn't start telling the truth about it even if they wanted to. It would be a political disaster the likes of which no living person in the country has ever seen before.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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The GOP Is Starting to Plot Against Donald Trump

Republican Party donors and leaders are talking about how best to stop Trump from running away with the nomination again in 2024. But they don’t have a clear plan to stop him.

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Banning ideas and authors is not a ‘culture war’ – it’s fascism

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
November 14th, 2022 (From the Mid-Term Elections 2022 thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64267&p=7

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Steve Bannon claims a Maga Red Wave Trumper win is coming any moment now...and if not, if the MidTerms become a crap show then maybe blame North Korea or Jimmy Carter or someone else?

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No. Blame GOP Neo-Con "leadership" and en masse mail-in fraud ballots.

This guy gets it:

Republicans need to figure out mail-in voting

It’s being used by Democrats to influence the course of elections

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/democrats-mail-voting-midterms-fix/

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I raised the idea of outlawing mail-in voting with a canny friend. “The Dems would never allow it,” he said, comparing the practice to nuclear weapons. Once they exist, it is impossible to get rid of them. Maybe so, in which case it behooves Republicans to become experts in organizing and deploying mail-in voting for their own candidates.

If nothing else, a little competition in the mail-in ballot sweepstakes would counter the invitation to corruption that follows on the feeling that the fix is in. In the election just past, it seemed, despite media forecasts of a red wave, that a certain complacency was abroad in and about the headquarters of certain contentious races. Gretchen Whitmer never seemed particularly worried about Tudor Dixon, nor did John Fetterman seem worried about Dr. Oz. Of course, Fetterman is a special case. But the point is, I believe, they knew that the fix was in and therefore — to employ another common idiom — that the race was in the bag.

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Let me break that down for you...

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. ~Bugs Bunny

If they want to cheat, let 'em cheat. We're going to cheat better, and we're going to end up taking all the Democrat strongholds away from them co-opting the platform that they championed to allow widespread cheating and never let them cheat better than we will cheat.

We don't allow the cheating in Indiana, but I just might stay overnight at my Grandma's for a few weeks in 2024 and go door to door collecting thousands of ballots from people who would have otherwise been too lazy to vote. That's how they win. We can do it better. And it will all be legal because they made it legal.

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November 17th, 2022 (From this thread):

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Oh... and P.S.

The Republicans are starting to say what I've been saying. If you can't beat them, join them.

Since we're never going to put the shit back in the horse and put an end to covid mail-in fraud ballots in the blue states, it's time for Republicans to start canvassing the streets and ballot harvesting like the Democrats do.

Here in Indiana I only have one vote; one voice. If I spend a week at my Grandma's house in Illinois though, I could have 2,500 votes; 2,500 voices, simply by using Democrat's method of legalizing cheating against them.

When Trump gets that memo what do you think your chances in 2024 are?

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November 18th, 2022 (This thread):

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How ballot harvesting could save elections

The states have chosen how the game is played; now Republicans need to start playing

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/ballot-harvesting-could-save-election
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Yup. If a guy living in the middle of flyover country who hasn't made any money since June of 2019 could figure this one out, how long did you think it would take the strategists making the big bucks to come around to the same conclusion?

I hope you're happy opening up the floodgates for cheating, now that they're open for everyone.

Who do you think is better at cheating? I mean, the answer to that question that you'd always give under any other circumstance probably has to have you terrified right about now, huh?




Hmmmm... Maybe 2,500 votes; 2,500 voices is far too low a goal for me. I did win a SONY Boombox back in middle school for out-selling every other student in the place with one of the fundraisers, despite the fact that very little of that money came from my family and nobody else helped me sell any of it.

Just door to door knocking every day after school for hours with my eye on the prize.

Yeah. I'd better wrap up my outside work in 2024 early, because I know what I'm going to be doing in October. And Trump doesn't even have to pay me any of that campaign money to do it.


You want to cheat, motherfuckers? Suit yourself. I guaranty you that I'm better at it than you are.

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November 19th, 2022 (This thread):

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Oh. Just an FYI...

I would never do it, but the double-edged sword of legalizing ballot harvesting is that you can pretend whatever side you want to pretend to be while getting a read on your marks, and then decide after you have their mail-in ballots which ones you're going to put in the ballot box and which ones you put in your fire pit.

Go ahead dipshits. Keep telling me that what you did hasn't opened up the door for all sorts of cheating with no checks and balances in place.

Not only can you amplify the amount of voices and votes you have, but you can actually delete voices an votes from the other side during the process, and nobody is ever going to be able to verify or prove that this happened.


You dumb fucks have been doing EXACTLY this for two elections and you still lost the house and the popular vote by 3.5 Million votes last week.

What do you think happens to Blue States when Trump decides not to throw the money into TV ads and instead mobilizes and funds grassroots campaigns to canvas blue states for ballot harvesting that you made legal for him?


Do you get it now? Is this finally sinking in?

Especially YOU, Ted.

Fucking morons.

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All of that being said I would make a plea to TPTB that in every state, but especially the Blue States that now allow en masse election fraud, you have the ability to log into an account online that allows you to verify that your own personal vote was counted, and have it list exactly who and what you voted for.

This would still allow for your vote to be private information, but it would give you a means of making sure that somebody didn't fuck you.

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OKAY...

And now, we get to the point where I'm starting to get uncomfortable with the rhetoric being thrown around about this.

Not only is it going to happen, but some Republicans seem downright GLEEFUL that it will be the eventuality.

I shouldn't have to remind you dipshits, but I'm NOT a Republican and I've spent most of my life loathing the Republican Party until the Democrats went insane.


My desire was that the Republicans take back the blue and swing states in one or two elections by cheating better than Democrats cheat using their own rules against them and then STOP THE CHEATING APPARATUS you dumb shits set up for them, but now I have my doubts that this will ever happen.

Why give up that amount of power?



You want to save Democracy, Democrats? I mean REALLY SAVE DEMOCRACY?

You've got two months left to do it.

On a state level you need to put the shit back in the horse now and end all mail-in and dropbox voting before you lose the house. Put the Republicans, who are just fucking itching to cheat in 2024 using the rules you set up, in a position where they would have to change those rules back and explain to their base why they're doing it (making pure hypocrites out of them in the process).


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A New Age of American Politics
It’s time to hit ballot harvesting hard or die trying.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/11/21/a-new-age-of-american-politics/

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December 2nd, 2022:

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Republicans Need to Embrace Early Voting
Election Day matters less than it used to. Unless the GOP adapts, it is doomed to keep losing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-needs-to-embrace-early-voting-electio
n-day-ballot-harvesting-social-media-absentee-habits-pennsylvania-11669913240?mod=djemalertNEWS

Once again, in other words... Republicans are going to cheat, and they're going to cheat better than Democrats do, using their own rules against them.

Why the fuck do Democrats insist on playing Checkers when everyone else around them is playing Chess?

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I think I should probably create a thread about this so it doesn't keep getting buried under tons of other crap. I know that everybody is sick of elections right now and nobody is paying attention to my thoughts on this issue at the moment, but now you've got the WSJ weighing in on this today too.

I'm not joking, Democrats. You don't have a lot of time to close those COVID loopholes you created for mail-in voting, and you can be damn sure that just like the Ring of Sauron the Republicans won't give that up if it's still open by next election now that they're figuring out how best to exploit it.

You'd better close them up and put Republicans in the hypocritical spot of opening them back up for no damn good reason, or elections are never going to be the same again.

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You've been warned. Tick Tock.



Pennsylvania Republicans reconsider their war on mail voting

GOP officials in the state are coming to the belief that it’s better to work within the system than politically die by it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/02/pennsylvania-republican-mail-
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“There’s no question in my mind that Republicans have to have a different mail-in strategy,” said Andy Reilly, a Republican National Committeeman in Pennsylvania. “When one party votes for 30 days and one party votes for one, you’re definitely going to lose.”

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But, to a large degree, Republicans in the state seem poised to move forward with mail voting regardless of what Trump says. Many have concluded they can’t win otherwise. Charlie Gerow, the Pennsylvania-based vice chair of the Conservative Political Action Coalition, likened the GOP’s approach to mail-in voting to a basketball player who abstains from shooting from behind the three-point line because he doesn’t like the rule.

“You could play a game that way. And more times than not, you would lose,” he said. “Or you can say, ‘Hey, I don’t like the three-point line. But by gosh, I’m going to be the best three-point shooter you can find.’ And that’s what I think the Republicans have to be now.”

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I'll ask the question again...

Who do you think is better at cheating? Democrats or Republicans?

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Easy to say all this now, Ted. He's the only one who announced that he's running and we're two years from an election. Anything the Republicans say about him now is simply damage control on the Election Fraud talk because they figured out that they can use the cheating mechanisms you set up post-covid to cheat better than you can and they don't like that Trump is going to keep that rhetoric in the news cycle for the next two years while they're planning on showing you how to really cheat.

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I know this is hard for some of you to hear, but as it happens, Republicans are quite capable of voting by mail too. And, as has been shown in several key California districts critical to the GOP taking over the House next month, they can also ballot harvest. It just takes a paradigm shift that has been a long time coming.

Attorney Harmeet Dhillon, who should be running the Republican National Committee instead of perpetual losers like Ronna McDaniel, suggested as much during an appearance on Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle” last week. “We are not chasing ballots,” she said. “We are not doing what the Democrats do, which is making sure that we hunt down every Republican ballot and get it to the polls and get it in early.”

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No cheating, the Republicans are beating themselves. They have no message other than crazy.

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You say that now because you just won.

Hillary Clinton is a lot of things, but she isn't stupid. She's been saying that Republicans are going to cheat and win in 2024 since two months before the 2022 election.

What she didn't tell you was that they're going to cheat using the cheating apparatus that the Democrat party set up for them during Covid. The same cheating apparatus that saw Joe Biden* SHATTER any previous popular vote total for a President in history by over 10 MILLION VOTES, other than Trump's 74.2 Million in the same election which would have been the most popular votes for a President in history. This is because while Republicans all voted on one day, Democrats were canvassing streets and stuffing ballot boxes for at least a month before the election on top of whatever Democrats voted in person at the polling place on Election Day like we used to do before Covid.

In 2020, Democrats made these new rules and funded and organized the vast efforts to exploit those rules, completely fucking obliterating the off-guard Republicans.

In 2022, after two years of Republicans crying about it and powerless to change any of it in blue states and swing states where it was enabled, Democrats spent even more money and time exploiting those new rules while Republicans once again only spent one day voting, doomed to lose once again because of it. (The only exceptions being in parts of New York and California where Republicans DID spend time and money exploiting Democrat's new voting rules and won races they otherwise never would have won). IN OTHER WORDS... THE ONLY REASON THE REPUBLICANS REGAINED CONTROL OF THE HOUSE IN 2022 IS BECAUSE THEY CHEATED IN PARTS OF NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA USING THE CHEATING APPARATUS DEMOCRATS MADE LEGALLY AVAILABLE TO THEM IN 2020 DURING COVID LOCKDOWNS.

Now that Republican politicians and strategists have acknowledged this and fully plan on embracing and exploiting it rather than trying to close it all back up, I don't want to hear you whining about it when it doesn't go your way, Ted.

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In other words: Note to Republicans... You've got a year and a half to learn how to cheat like Democrats.

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The 2024 presidential candidate remains critical of various forms of early voting, advisers say, but his campaign is nonetheless mounting an effort to pursue such votes after Democrats excelled at doing so in recent elections. His team is studying state laws governing absentee and mail-in voting as well as ballot collection, called “ballot harvesting” by critics, in which third parties gather and turn in votes, people familiar with the effort said.

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Mr. Trump highlighted the move in a fundraising email this week, saying, “The radical Democrats have used ballot harvesting to cancel out YOUR vote and walk away with elections that they NEVER should have won. But I’m doing something HUGE to fight back.”

The email added, “Our path forward is to MASTER the Democrats’ own game of harvesting ballots in every state we can. But that also means we need to start laying the foundation for victory RIGHT NOW.”

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As the Trump campaign reorients, so too are some GOP officials in 2024 battleground states. In Michigan, for instance, the leading candidate for state Republican chair has called for “the biggest ballot-harvesting program this state has ever seen.”

Many national Republicans also say the party needs to use whatever legal avenues are available to chase votes and not be so reliant on Election Day. The Republican National Committee is studying the issue as part of its post-midterm election analysis.

“We simply have to beat them at this,” Blake Masters, the Arizona GOP candidate who lost to Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly in a closely watched battleground race, said on Twitter in November.

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“If you want to win races, you have to play by the rules that are given to you. You can cry all you want about what the rules are, but if you want to change them you’ve got to win elections,” said Jessica Millan Patterson, who has made a focus of her tenure as the chairwoman of the California Republican Party bolstering the party’s ballot-collection efforts.

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Mr. DeSantis—who is widely expected to enter the 2024 presidential race after his state’s legislative session ends in May—also appeared at the event and had a similar message. During his re-election campaign last year he often urged voters to cast early ballots in case something happened on Election Day. He won by nearly 20 percentage points.

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Banning ideas and authors is not a ‘culture war’ – it’s fascism

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You submit to tyranny when you renounce the difference between what you want to hear and what is actually the case.

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The Republicans are eating their own at CPAC. Too funny...

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Poor Jack. He's been saying just you wait since Trump was elected President in 2016. It's now 2023. Nothing but losses since. Last election with Biden as President, the Republicans imploded. Too funny...

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Chris Christie says the 'half-full' crowds at CPAC are a sign that Donald Trump's popularity is finally waning

Chris Christie said the "half-full" crowd at CPAC this weekend is a sign of Trump's unpopularity.

Christie said Trump may be the GOP's 2024 frontrunner now, but he's not as powerful as he was before.

"There are lots of indicators here that he's not what he used to be," Christie said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-christie-says-the-half-f
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Oliver ended the tirade calling DeSantis a “f*cking meatball.”

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In a new survey from Emerson College, based in neighboring Massachusetts, Trump leads the GOP field with 58%. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis holds second with just 17%, and Gov. Chris Sununu is third with 7%.

Over the weekend, Sununu predicted that Trump would lose the Granite State primary, still slated as the first for the Republicans next year. He also said Trump would lose the presidential race.

But Emerson College Polling Executive Director Spencer Kimball said, “Gov. Sununu is unable to surpass 10% among any demographic groups.”

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Donald Trump winning most polls


runners up

Ron DeSantis
Nikki Haley
Mike Pence
Liz Cheney



more polls

Do Americans Like Donald Trump, Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-desantis-pence-election-pol
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Who else? Glenn Youngkin, Ted Cruz, again??

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