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Elections; 2024

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Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:55 PM

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Why Republicans Are Far Too Confident About November

Trump is up 11 points on Joe* compared to where he was 4 years ago on the Popular Vote. Joe only won the Popular Vote by 3.7 points.

Trump is up on Joe* or tied in each of the 7 swing states that they've talked about for months and new states have been added where Biden* is up only within the margin of error.

I think it's Democrats that are far too confident about November.

I wonder what cheats they have in store that would make them confident with those numbers on top of a worsening economy and an ever-increasingly out of control border situation.

We'll see what happens after tonight.

Tick Tock

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Thursday, June 27, 2024 3:01 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

No it's not, you fucking idiot.

You've made your entire life about Trump, therefore you see Trump in every mirror and under every rock.

Get some fucking help.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

6ixStringJack, your contribution to America's economy is approximately zero. That is typical for Trumptards. President Donald Trump carried 2,497 counties across the country that together generate 29% of the American economy, according to a new study by the Brookings Institution. President-elect Joe Biden won 477 counties that together generate 70% of U.S. GDP.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-republicans-ec
onomy.html

It is easy to find out why average Trumptards are worthless individuals by googling Which states have higher GDP? Democrats or Republicans? Not unrelated, Trump made his money by inheritance and by swindling, both his dead brother's family and renters in his buildings. He cheats on taxes, too. Trump is worthless like his Trumptards.

https://www.google.com/search?q=which+states+have+higher+gdp+democrats
+or+republicans

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 27, 2024 5:55 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

On Thursday, the Trumptards on the Supreme Court gutted the ability of government agencies to enforce regulations against those who break the law. While the case, SEC v. Jarkesy, might sound dry, the decision is a big deal: It allows wrongdoers targeted by the Securities and Exchange Commission—as well as a bunch of other federal agencies—to demand a trial by jury in federal court, upending the usual adjudication process before administrative law judges. The federal government does not have anywhere close to enough resources and personnel to take every case to a jury when it seeks to impose civil penalties. So the decision will chill enforcement throughout the executive branch, allowing more white-collar criminals, polluters, abusive employers, and other malefactors to slip through the cracks. And it all started with a little-known hedge fund manager from Texas named George Jarkesy — a Republican activist and conservative radio host bankrolled by billionaires like Elon Musk and Mark Cuban.

So who is the man whose case may have just kneecapped the executive branch in a decision that Justice Sonia Sotomayor bluntly characterized as “a power grab” by the judiciary?

Jarkesy managed the Houston-based hedge fund Patriot 28. He hosts a conservative radio show on which he has railed against government agencies like the Department of Energy and the Department of Education. He also once argued that the Civil War was started because the North ran out of money. “They had taxed their people into oblivion. They had ran over their budgets, they were broke, and the South had money,” said Jarkesy. He was also no fan of former President Barack Obama, referring to him as “comrade Obama” and even writing a song called “The Bad Obama Blues,” where Jarkesy called him a liar and said, “the president spends like a maniac.”

More than a decade ago, the SEC fined Jarkesy for misleading investors. The agency alleged that Jarkesy’s fund “arbitrarily” inflated the value of certain holdings from 30 cents per share to $3.30 per share—“so that they could charge higher management fees.”

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/06/sec-supreme-court-case-geo
rge-jarkesy-elon-musk-mark-cuban.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, June 29, 2024 5:43 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

What Kind of ‘Psycho’ Calls Dead Americans ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’?

By Adrienne LaFrance | June 28, 2024

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-kind-of-psycho-calls-dead-ameri
cans-losers-and-suckers/ar-BB1oZj3v

Perhaps you’ve noticed lately that Donald Trump, a man not known for subtlety, has been testing the limits of the Streisand effect. At one event after another—at a rally, then a fundraiser, in remarks on his social platform, and in at least one video that his campaign distributed online—Trump keeps reminding his supporters about his well-documented habit of disparaging America’s military service members as “dumb,” “losers,” and “suckers.” https://www.techdirt.com/2023/11/14/turns-out-barbra-streisand-is-awar
e-of-the-streisand-effect-but-seems-confused-about-it/

“Think of it, from a practical standpoint,” Trump said before a crowd in Las Vegas earlier this month. “I’m standing there with generals and military people in a cemetery, and I look at them and say, ‘These people are suckers and losers.’ Now, think of it; unless you’re a psycho or a crazy person or a very stupid person, who would say that, anyway?”

As it happens, the American people have, by now, a very clear picture of the kind of person who would say such a thing.

Recall Trump’s infamous 2015 remarks about Senator John McCain, who was tortured during his five and a half years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam: “He’s not a war hero,” Trump insisted. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Then there was the time in 2016 when Trump publicly mocked and belittled Khzir and Ghazala Khan, the parents of a fallen U.S. Army officer, Humayun Khan, who had been killed by a suicide bomber in Iraq in 2004. (Trump is “devoid of feeling the pain of a mother who has sacrificed her son,” Khzir said at the time.)

Then, in 2020, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, reported several instances in which Trump openly expressed disgust for America’s dead service members. There was the time in Arlington National Cemetery, on Memorial Day in 2017, when Trump was standing at the grave of Robert Kelly, a young Marine officer who had been killed in Afghanistan. Trump was visiting the cemetery with his then–Chief of Staff John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general and father to Robert. As Goldberg first reported, “Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, ‘I don’t get it. What was in it for them?’”

During a trip to France the following year, faced with the prospect of visiting another cemetery, this time to pay respects to service members killed in World War I, Trump complained: “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” (Trump’s loyalists have attempted to redirect attention to the weather that day, arguing that it really was too rainy for a visit.) And, as Goldberg first reported, “in a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as ‘suckers’ for getting killed.”

In subsequent reporting, including his 2023 profile of former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, Goldberg uncovered additional incidents in which Trump disparaged American service members. At one military ceremony, for example, a wounded Army captain who’d completed five combat tours and lost a leg in an IED attack nearly tumbled over. Others, including then–Vice President Mike Pence, rushed to help the man. But Trump complained to Milley in a voice loud enough for several people to hear: “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.”

Trump has spent years attempting to deny these incidents—all while experienced journalists writing for multiple news organizations have corroborated The Atlantic’s initial reporting. But recently, Trump has become newly preoccupied with Goldberg (whom Trump mentioned by name and described as a “horrible radical left lunatic” at a rally last month) and with his reporting on Trump’s disdain for the Americans who volunteer to serve their country. And Trump seems preoccupied generally with denying his own record of disparaging service members. (Listening to his clumsy attempts to deny what he said, I can’t help but think of Hamlet’s Queen Gertrude—“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”—or at least the unraveling guilt of the narrator in The Tell-Tale Heart.)

That Trump would lie is unsurprising. But his recent obsession is curious because it represents a rare instance in which he avoids doubling down on his own provocations. And it is revealing—presumably reflecting some sort of poll that has found that Americans don’t particularly like their war dead to be mocked by the once and prospective commander in chief. (I suppose it’s possible that on some level, Trump feels ashamed of what he said, but shame typically requires a baseline degree of self-awareness and empathy.)

“They made up a story about me with suckers and losers,” Trump said at a fundraiser in Washington, D.C., last weekend. “They made up this story about me, looking down at graves, saying ‘suckers’—they make it up. Suckers and losers. Who would? Surrounded by military people. There’s nobody that’s stupid enough to make that statement. Think of it. And I was president. I would have said that would have been justified for somebody to start taking swings at me as president. But they made it up. It’s a phrase that was totally made up by a third-rate magazine that’s going out of business, losing a fortune. I think it was The Atlantic. A magazine that nobody reads.” (The Atlantic is profitable and recently announced that it has more than 1 million subscribers.) “It’s horrible,” he later added. “Who would say it?”

Well, Trump said it. And over the past four years, several more journalists have reported as much. One day after Goldberg’s 2020 story appeared, Jennifer Griffin, a national-security correspondent for Fox News, found in her own reporting that Trump had “disparaged veterans.” One former senior Trump-administration official told Griffin that Trump said anyone who served in Vietnam “was a sucker,” she reported. “This former official heard the President say about American veterans: ‘What’s in it for them? They don’t make any money.’” Griffin also corroborated details first reported by Goldberg about how Trump did not want to include wounded service members in military parades. “Regarding Trump’s July 4th military parade, during a planning session at the White House after seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017, the President said regarding the inclusion of ‘wounded guys’ ‘that’s not a good look’ ‘Americans don’t like that,’ source confirms,” Griffin tweeted.

Trump attacked her in response. “Jennifer Griffin should be fired for this kind of reporting,” he tweeted at the time. “Fox News is gone!” The Washington Post subsequently reported that “Trump believed people who served in the Vietnam War must be ‘losers’ because they hadn’t gotten out of it, according to a person familiar with the comments.” (The newspaper also noted that although Trump, in a tweeted response to the Atlantic story, claimed, “I never called John [McCain] a loser. I swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on,” he did, in fact, call McCain a loser in a 2015 interview, which you can watch for yourself.)

The New York Times similarly reported that its sources verified “that Mr. Trump resisted supporting an official funeral and lowering flags after the death of Senator John McCain of Arizona, a Vietnam War hero whose military service he had disparaged.” (Ultimately, Trump relented, and the flags were lowered.) And the Times reported that “people familiar with Mr. Trump’s private conversations say he has long scorned those who served in Vietnam as being too dumb to have gotten out of it,” as Trump had done. The Times further reported that “some also recalled him asking why the United States should be so interested in finding captured soldiers” who are prisoners of war.

This past October, John Kelly publicly confirmed, in a statement to CNN’s Jake Tapper, the details that Goldberg first reported. This came in the weeks following Goldberg’s profile of Milley, and Trump’s subsequent suggestion that Milley be executed for treason. Here is how Kelly put it:

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What can I add that has not already been said? A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all “suckers” because “there is nothing in it for them.” A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because “it doesn’t look good for me.” A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family—for all Gold Star families—on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are “losers” and wouldn’t visit their graves in France … A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason—in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.

And in his new book, The Return of Great Powers, the CNN national-security reporter Jim Sciutto quotes Kelly telling him that Trump “would often say, ‘Why do you people all say that these guys who get wounded or killed are heroes? They’re suckers for going in the first place, and they’re losers.’”

On November 9, 2010, Robert Kelly stepped on a concealed bomb while leading his platoon in Afghanistan. Donald Trump, meanwhile, was somewhere in between tweets promoting his television game show, The Apprentice, and a Fox News appearance during which he dangled the prospect of running for office.

Robert Kelly was 29 when he died. He was also a newlywed. And he was a friend and brother to many more who served in the military. In an obituary, Robert’s friends and family recalled his quick wit and strong sense of duty. They remembered the charm and persistence with which he pursued his first date with the woman who would become his wife. They noted his fondness for history and for ice hockey. And they described his deep love of country. “He went quickly and thank God he did not suffer,” Kelly’s father wrote to his friends after Robert died. “In combat that is as good as it gets.” The elder Kelly described the pain of his loss as “unimaginable.”

Trump has never served in the U.S. military. “Bone spurs” won him an exemption from Vietnam. He has never had to triple-check to make sure his uniform was in regulation, or taken a combat-fitness test. He has never watched his spouse walk out the door for the last time before deployment. He has never cared for a family member who returned from war with permanent injuries. And he has never received the unfathomable news that one of his children was killed in action. Millions of Americans have. But Trump is nothing like them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, June 29, 2024 10:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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What Kind of ‘Psycho’ Calls Dead Americans ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’?

The one who made it all up. Most likely a journalist at NYT.

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Saturday, June 29, 2024 10:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

No it's not, you fucking idiot.

You've made your entire life about Trump, therefore you see Trump in every mirror and under every rock.

Get some fucking help.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
6ixStringJack, your contribution to America's economy is approximately zero. That is typical for Trumptards. President Donald Trump carried 2,497 counties across the country that together generate 29% of the American economy, according to a new study by the Brookings Institution. President-elect Joe Biden won 477 counties that together generate 70% of U.S. GDP.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-republicans-ec
onomy.html

It is easy to find out why average Trumptards are worthless individuals by googling Which states have higher GDP? Democrats or Republicans? Not unrelated, Trump made his money by inheritance and by swindling, both his dead brother's family and renters in his buildings. He cheats on taxes, too. Trump is worthless like his Trumptards.

https://www.google.com/search?q=which+states+have+higher+gdp+democrats
+or+republicans

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I made most of the money I needed for the rest of my life by the time I was 32 years old.

I'm not going to apologize for being great with money, nor will I apologize for not being a mindless consumer like most of the rest of you are.

And I'm certainly not going to apologize for not slaving away for the rest of my life to live in one of our overtaxed, Democrat run shithole cities that are unaffordable to live in either. I moved out of Illinois and Wisconsin expressly for the purpose of avoiding the insane property and sales taxes that apparently go toward nothing. Have fun stepping over geeked out bums, illegal aliens and human shit on the way to work on Monday.

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Saturday, June 29, 2024 11:52 AM

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NY Times Editorial Board Urges Biden To Quit Race - Did Trump Administer Premature Kill Shot?

Saturday, Jun 29, 2024 - 06:55 AM

Thursday night's presidential debate mortally wounded President Biden's political career, and now the New York Times has hammered a significant nail in the coffin -- publishing an editorial bluntly declaring that "the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election."

With this development, Biden's departure from November ballots is taking on an air of inevitability. At the same time, Team Trump is reckoning with what may have been a strategic error -- enabling a premature kill shot that could leave Trump facing a worse matchup.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ny-times-editorial-board-urges-bid
en-quit-race-did-trump-administer-premature-kill-shot

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Americans Dread Vote Between Two Unpopular Candidates
Additionally, as Statista's Felix Richter notes, the debate was also unique in that it featured two candidates that are viewed as unfit for the job by large parts of the American public, albeit for very different reasons. While President Biden is widely viewed as too old for a second term (and apparently proved that view correct last night), former President Trump is the first convicted felon to run for the country’s highest office.

As a result of this unusual match-up, many voters feel like they’re caught between a rock and a hard place, as they have serious reservations about both candidates.

According to a recent poll by The Economist and YouGov, Biden and Trump are seen unfavorably by almost 60 percent of Americans, with a shocking 44 and 47 percent holding very unfavorable views of the incumbent and his challenger, respectively.

Of course, those numbers are largely driven by the extreme polarization of today’s political landscape, resulting in 92 percent of likely Democratic voters seeing Trump unfavorably and 94 percent of likely Republican voters holding a negative view of Biden, but there are reservations about their own candidate on both sides of the political spectrum as well...

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/americans-dread-vote-between-two-unp
opular-candidates

"Independents", who are in reality undecideds, dread voting the most.

When people are in that highly charged emotional state, they make highly emotional decisions, usually to relieve their amped up anxiety.

If Biden bails and the DNC springs a new candidate into place, that candidate - whoever he or she is- will provide a relief valve for all of that FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) and those emotional undecideds will squirt is that direction, making an emotional decision simply to relieve extreme anxiety.

The Trump campaign will have to relieve that anxiety by making him seem a focused, honest, and stable candidate, and Trump ... is not the guy to do that. He plays to his audience, or who he THINKS is his audience, and blurts out ridiculous promises. But by hook or crook, he needs to woo those undecideds.

His campaign will also have to create a lot of FUD around whoever is the chosen replacement, whether its Kamala or Newsom or Whitmer, or someone else.

EDITED TO ADD: This was from the CNN Camp cowards thread.

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Sunday, June 30, 2024 8:35 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

What Biden owes his country if he stays in

By E.J. Dionne Jr. | June 30, 2024 6:14 a.m.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/30/biden-debate-democr
atic-party-2024/

President Biden’s lieutenants want to write off his dismal debate performance on Thursday as one bad night and are calling on Democrats to buck up and fight. But many in the party (and more in the world of commentary) think Biden should drop out and open the way for a new nominee, lest the president’s weakness open the door wide to the disastrous return of Donald Trump.

Neither view fully grasps the depth of the mess Democrats, and the country, are in. Biden defenders underestimate the potential long-term damage of the president’s debate performance, which was designed to show that the 81-year-old was up to the job and did just the opposite. But those who’d like to hurtle full speed ahead to an open convention vastly underestimate how hard it will be to pull off.

The voices most certain that Biden should leave the race include many who said long ago that Biden should not to run again. They feel vindication. Alas for Biden, they have reason to. The people most shocked by Thursday (and I’m one of them) were those who felt he was up for one more campaign and had proven his mettle in his State of the Union address and other outings.

It turned out that a debate is not like a prepared speech or the occasional interview. Biden had trouble landing even easy punches or executing well-prepared attack lines coherently. Heck, sometimes he struggled to finish sentences. This was not like the debate losses of former presidents Barack Obama or George W. Bush.

The cascade of demands on Biden to hang it up was thus inevitable, and his team would be foolish to resort to catcalls against hand wringers and nervous nellies. People cannot unsee what they have already seen. Biden needs to own just how damaging that performance was.

But romanticizing a magical solution to the problem the party faces is a mistake, too. If Biden withdrew, the party would face two core decisions: first, whether to nominate Vice President Harris, and if not, whom it should pick from a list of hopefuls who could easily run to a dozen alternatives.

Unless Harris decided to stay on as the vice-presidential candidate, the up-or-down decision on her future would be deeply divisive. And a free-for-all compressed into a short period would limit the amount of vetting a nominee would go through and could reopen ideological conflicts that Biden was largely able to pacify. (These are Democrats, after all.) Sure, it could be exciting. It could also be chaotic.

It also doesn’t help Democrats to say that it’s Republicans who should look at Trump’s debate performance — his cascade of blatant lies, his refusal to answer questions, his plain lack of patriotism — and demand that he withdraw. Of course they should. But they won’t. The point is to defeat Trump.

So what should be done? I’m with those saying Biden needs a painful reckoning with himself over whether his best contribution to history now is to soldier on, or to help a leader from the next generation see his fight for the soul of America though. Biden has a formidable legacy rooted in a presidency characterized by responsibility, decency and real accomplishment. If his staying in the race allows Trump back into power, Biden will destroy that legacy.

But with Biden apparently determined to tough it out — the campaign put out a list of politicians reaffirming their support Saturday afternoon — the president’s future will be settled by the polls. If they show the debate caused Biden real damage, pressure on him to drop out will move from private alarm to public demands. If the numbers don’t change much, he’ll likely get through this.

If he does, he owes those who support him a clear strategy for undoing Thursday’s damage. He needs to do a series of televised interviews, including many in less than friendly settings. He’ll have to step up his campaign appearances, offering more speeches along the lines of his energetic performance in North Carolina on Friday.

He should make a major commitment to doing all he can to strengthen the campaigns of Democratic House and Senate candidates, the most vulnerable of whom have more reason than anyone to worry about the electoral impact of a weakened Biden. He needs to use last week’s demonstration of the Supreme Court’s radical right-wing activism to underscore the long-term impact of the choices voters will be making this November. If Democrats lose both the Senate and the White House, the damage to the judiciary over a generation will be catastrophic.

Above all, Biden and those around him need to understand that this is not about them, their touchiness over who has underestimated the president in the past or who is loyal and disloyal. Every decision he makes from now on, including whether he remains in the contest, must prove he means what he says about the grave danger Trump poses to our democracy. His legacy depends upon it, and the country needs to be able to depend upon him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, June 30, 2024 1:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Neither view fully grasps the depth of the mess Democrats, and the country, are in.

Biden* and Democrats are the mess that the country are in.

It's about to be cleaned up.

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Sunday, June 30, 2024 2:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

We're only about 2 weeks away now from 10 straight months of Trump dominating Biden* in the polls.

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Sunday, June 30, 2024 4:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The DNC can't force Biden out. Biden has to agree to go.

And the only person who can convince him to go is his wife, Jill.

And Jill probably isn't thinking of the good of the country, or even the good of her husband, she's probably thinking...

Jail time for our son

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