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Well, we’ve been doing it for years by just printing more money. Now, one of the interesting revelations of Creature From Jekyll Island is the fact that the Great Depression was pretty well planned. You know, all the big money men were pretty well warned that they were going to finally collapse the system.

So, again, I know this. I know it really sounds like a conspiracy theory. I don’t completely understand it. But it sure seems—it just, in my bones, I just feel there’s a great deal of corruption and control there that the vast majority of people do not understand.

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You have all the Bushite NeoCons on your side now.

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SIX: doesn't have to be for months or years.

No electricity for 2 or 3 days. Anywhere.

Maybe you don't let everybody know that it's only going to be 2 or 3 days while you're at it. Let everybody wonder if it's ever coming back on.

I'd suggest doing tests like this every once in a while. Now we have the ability to see what would happen. When things like this start happening on their own, which they will, we won't have any data to go by and everything will be a surprise as it happens.

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I thought we were talking about overpopulation? You kind of went off on a tangent about college educated white women.
But it would be interesting to insert temporary emergencies into the works to test people's preparedness.

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SIX: doesn't have to be for months or years.

No electricity for 2 or 3 days. Anywhere.

Maybe you don't let everybody know that it's only going to be 2 or 3 days while you're at it. Let everybody wonder if it's ever coming back on.

I'd suggest doing tests like this every once in a while. Now we have the ability to see what would happen. When things like this start happening on their own, which they will, we won't have any data to go by and everything will be a surprise as it happens.

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I thought we were talking about overpopulation? You kind of went off on a tangent about college educated white women.
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Holy shit people. Every household should already have an emergency preparedness kit that will meet the family's needs for three days. Much of what you need to make it through an extended power outage will be on hand with the gear on the checklist found at www.Ready.gov, the emergency preparedness website of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Didn't prepare, oh well.

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Uh, THUGR, you DO realize Dick Cheney's is being discredited as evil, right?
Since he's portrayed as Darth Vader?

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Dood, they portrayed Dick Cheney not as a "conservative" but as Darth Vader.

Why would ANYONE do what Darth Vader wants?

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For Trump, Tariffs Are the Solution to Almost Any Problem
The former president has proposed using tariffs to fund child care, boost manufacturing, quell immigration and encourage use of the dollar. Economists are skeptical.

This highlights a problem either with journalists or with economists. I can safely say that economists aren't "skeptical" of Trump's tariff blather. They think it's straight up bullshit.

So is the problem that economists are too polite to say so when a Times reporter calls? Or that the Times reporter feels an obligation to tone down what they say in order not to seem anti-Trump?

The truth is pretty simple:

• Tariffs don't "tend" to be borne by US businesses and households. They just are. They're collected by the customs service from American importers.

• Tariffs would not "likely" generate less than the trillions of dollars Trump promises. They wouldn't, period. On net, they might even generate negative revenue.

• Retaliatory tariffs wouldn't "probably" do little to affect the dollar's role as a reserve currency. They would almost certainly make the dollar less attractive. The whole idea of using harsh tariffs to protect the dollar is "a bit nuts," says Brad Setser.

• "Most economists" don't say that Trump's tariffs would increase inflation. They all do.

I understand the obligations reporters are under to appear evenhanded. Language has to be restrained. Everything has to be sourced. You can't just state things on your own authority.

And yet, an ordinary person who managed to plow through the entire Times piece would probably come out of it thinking that tariffs are kind of complicated and it's not really clear if Trump is right or not. This is simply not correct.

We still haven't figured out how to cover someone who lies and blusters the way Trump does. When he says that tariffs on China are paid by China, he's either lying or he's a moron. That's it. Those are the choices. But you can't say that in the New York Times.

https://jabberwocking.com/tariffs-are-not-as-nuanced-as-the-new-york-t
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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And a $25,000 down payment provided by the government on a house will drive up the cost of all houses by $25,000, just like the $7,000 tax credit on coal burning cars raised the costs of all coal burning cars overnight by $7,000.



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6ix, are you really thinking this is true or did your fingers write the nonsense, not your brain? 6ix, when banks make home loans equal to 80% of the home's value, does that drive up the cost of all houses by 80%?

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6ix, are you really thinking this is true or did your fingers write the nonsense, not your brain? 6ix, when banks make home loans equal to 80% of the home's value, does that drive up the cost of all houses by 80%?

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There is a HUGE difference between taking out a loan in the private sector and getting a $25,000 handout on the taxpayer dime. HUGE difference. It shouldn't even need to be said, but I'm dealing with an idiot.

That being said, of course loans do make the prices of houses more expensive, dolt. If there were no ways of securing a mortgage to buy a home, the price of homes would have never been able to climb. Nobody would be buying homes if nobody could afford to ever pay for a home with cash or goods or services. There would be no housing market.

So your proposed solution below is a load of garbage too, and certainly something I would never say should be done. The world economy as we know it would grind to a halt today if they were to make mortgages illegal.

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There is a HUGE difference between taking out a loan in the private sector and getting a $25,000 handout on the taxpayer dime. HUGE difference. It shouldn't even need to be said, but I'm dealing with an idiot.

That being said, of course loans do make the prices of houses more expensive, dolt. If there were no ways of securing a mortgage to buy a home, the price of homes would have never been able to climb. Nobody would be buying homes if nobody could afford to ever pay for a home with cash or goods or services. There would be no housing market.

So your proposed solution below is a load of garbage too, and certainly something I would never say should be done. The world economy as we know it would grind to a halt today if they were to make mortgages illegal.

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6ix, you are fucking idiot about money, but so are all Trumptards. Fuck you when you bring up your house. Come back when you own many houses, not just the one that you got at discount in 2009 when banks were in trouble from nonperforming mortgages.

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Taibbi: Official Donald Trump-Kamala Harris Debate Drinking Game Rules
Tuesday, Sep 10, 2024 - 05:35 PM

Authored by Matt Taibbi via Racket News,

Since the last presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden ended the latter’s re-election bid, newshounds are emptying Thesauruses in search of maximalist language to describe the import of tonight’s clash between Kamala Harris and Trump. “With no other debates scheduled between Ms. Harris and Mr. Trump,” the New York Times writes, “the face-off figures to be one of the highest-stakes 90 minutes in American politics in generations.”

It’s also likely to be one of the most abhorrent, ear-splitting, cliché-ridden, factually unmoored, cringe-inducing live TV spectacles ever. Or the worst, at least, since the last debate. Pre- and post-debate commentary will be critical. The notion that the press heavily influences perception of who “wins” and “loses” debates has been a tired media saw since the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon affair, but audiences are tougher now. They are more likely to see through narrative-shaping efforts.

That doesn’t mean post-debate talking points are irrelevant. As we learned the last time, cable stations have become messaging platforms for delivering pronouncements of behind-the-scenes oligarchs. We will know whether Emperor Obama (or Brennan, or whoever is really running the country) gives tonight’s performance a thumbs-up or thumbs-down within minutes of the MSNBC/CNN roundups.

As usual, I’ll be viewing the debate with Walter Kirn through the lens of a drinking game. We’ll watch the whole event, plus check in on the after-event commentary, beginning at 8:45 pm ET:

For YouTube, click here.

For Rumble, click here.

Or just visit @mtaibbi.

NOTE: The object of a drinking game is to add drama to oft-excruciating TV affairs and also to make light of participants by predicting pre-packaged attack lines. I try to make rules even-handed, which means rules aimed at both candidates’ tendencies. I strongly advise refraining from hard liquor, as a single rule can sometimes be a hospital risk (“The idea…” last time upended some players). I bought a case of Modelo for tonight’s affair, which sounds dull, but I’m anticipating a long night. Walter and I will see you soon. Without further ado, tonight’s rules:

DRINK EVERY TIME:

Harris uses the words felon, extreme, threat to democracy, or for the people.

Trump uses the words communist, socialist, radical or Marxist. Double-shot for tampon.

Harris talks about her experience dealing with predators, scammers, cheaters, perpetrators, or special interests.

Trump invokes the Kamala crime wave or defund the police, or says something like They destroyed San Francisco or You can’t buy a loaf of bread without getting shot. Any story of this sort qualifies (“These Haitians, it’s unbelievable. Who would eat a cat?”). Non-negotiable double-shot for literally third world conditions.

Harris says Let me be clear, I’m talking, or “Not going back.” Take a SMALL SIP ONLY whenever she mentions the middle class. Take a full drink when Donald Trump only cares about himself.

Trump says illegal, sanctuary, Border Czar. Double shot when Harris protests she wasn’t.

Harris cackles. Trump does “stank face” or “pinchy hands.”

Harris mentions the opportunity economy, price gouging or bringing down costs. Double for groceries. If both candidates mention groceries, take an aspirin.

“CHECK, PLEASE!” Drink if Harris runs out of things to say and has to be reminded she still has time left. (Drinking game trivia: this rule was originally written for Joe Biden years ago.)

“BILLIONS AND BILLIONS!” Drink when Trump rattles off a statistic that’s off by a factor of 10x. Double if he tells us how many people were just shot in Chicago and how it was worse than Afghanistan. (He may substitute Philadelphia tonight).

From Harris: sales tax, bipartisan, reproductive freedom, different vision. Drink for any mathematically perfect tautology/redundancy (e.g. deadlines of time). More than three seconds of stoned-looking hesitation is a drink. Strike your companion if you hear joy.

From Trump: so crazy, beautiful, fake, beating the hell, never been anything like it. Drink when he says any national problem was completely eliminated when he was president and complains the media lies its face off about it. You may also drink for take a bullet or the “pull down that chart” story if you feel under-served.

Tune in tonight to the livestream at 8:45 pm for an additional MYSTERY RULE.

IN THE POST-DEBATE COMMENTARY, DRINK WHEN:

Any pundit uses a legal metaphor to describe the Harris performance (“A great closing argument,” “She proved beyond a reasonable doubt tonight,” “Tonight, America is her jury”)

“Move the needle” (if a performance did or did not)

“Trump was incoherent/rambling”

Harris showed she was “calm” or “pragmatic”; “We saw a real leader tonight”

The real opinion of Barack Obama is written on the face of an otherwise evasive David Axelrod; full tumescence of Brian Stelter is detected; Chris Hayes completely agrees with whatever Joy, Rachel, or Jen just said

FINALLY, THE WALTER KIRN RULE:

You must finish your bottle and arm yourself if a technical breakdown or broadcast interruption takes place in the middle of a one-sided debate

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Prediction about the debate:

Dishonest talking points, from Kamala.

Whatever pops into his head, from Trump.

Trainwreck on both sides.

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Jeez, no kidding.

SECOND, if the banks or the government floods a sector with money, that will cause inflation in that sector. Like night follows day.

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You know the left-wing media is going to spin the hell out of this whole thing tomorrow, and Ted and Second are going to post 2 dozen articles tomorrow between them.

Let's see if it moves the needle at all in the polling. My guess is that it didn't either way.

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You know the left-wing media is going to spin the hell out of this whole thing tomorrow, and Ted and Second are going to post 2 dozen articles tomorrow between them.

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Yup.

12 from Ted and 15 from Second in this thread and the Kamala thread alone.

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Father of Ohio boy, 11, tells Trump and JD Vance to stop using son’s death for ‘political gain’

Nathan Clark calls Republicans ‘hate-spewing’ for falsely claiming Aiden Clark was murdered by Haitian immigrant

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/11/trump-vance-ohio-aiden
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Who would have guessed that Trump and JD Vance are unapologetic lying sacks of shit? Certainly not the "undecided" voters. As for Trump voters, being a sack of shit is how they got where they are, and how they achieved their level of "success".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Okay. Laken Riley then.

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On Tuesday, Trump proved himself to have less mental stability than a Nazi:

Over the course of debate, Trump defended the violent mob that had attacked the Capitol. He insisted that the 2020 election had been stolen from him. He relitigated his slander of the Central Park Five. He defended his decision to invite the Taliban to Camp David and invoked Hungary’s authoritarian leader, Viktor Orbán, as a character witness. He couldn’t bring himself to say that he hopes Ukraine will win its war against Russia, even when pressed. And he spent valuable time emphatically insisting that the multiple indictments against him are “fake cases.”

But that’s not all. Trump savaged people he had appointed to his administration who have since broken with him. He repeated his claim that Harris wasn’t Black. And then there was the pièce de résistance: Trump spreading the conspiracy theory, weird even by his standards, that in Springfield, Ohio, Haitian migrants are abducting and devouring their neighbors’ pets. “They’re eating the dogs!” he roared. “The people that came in—they’re eating the cats!” And he still couldn’t stop himself. When one of the moderators, ABC’s David Muir, rebutted Trump’s claim, the former president said, “I’ve seen people on television! People on television say, ‘My dog was taken and used for food!’”

Trump is unstable enough to round up all aliens and secretly slaughter them because it is cheaper and quicker than trials and deportation. Concentration camps and crematoriums will pop into Trump's thinking about a final solution to the illegal migrants problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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