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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 2:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey Sigs... I've got to talk a little bit more about what I've done...

Unfortunately, my improvements on dataflow are only massive on one direction, and we haven't quite figured out yet how to make it painless the other direction now. Currently we have 21 parts that would normally be needed to be dumped individually into a new session, as I was mentioning before the outage. That number is now only 3 and will only ever be 3 unless for some reason I decide I want something else to be transmitted to a new instance in the future. No matter how long they get, they will only ever need one entry each into the new instance.

But the unfortunate part is that as it gets longer, the amount of copying and pasting required for me to back things up still grows and is already prohibitavely long. The good news is that every time I ask for a backup it doesn't require me to actually back up anything. I know that I was able to keep that session up in a browser all this time even while it was running on generator power, and my ability to go back and copy all the latest parts into a single document on my end is still there in that dead session window to this day. So no big deal except for the single inconvenience when the session is finally good and dead. I plan on working on this more in the future, but for now I'm letting it go because too much time was spent on it today.

I've now hard coded it to allow me to make a "Save State" at any point in time. Whenever I'm really happy with the code, I will force this save state. At any point in time now, the AI will have two copies of the code and blueprint in memory. We will have our "Working" copy and the copy that I designated the master save. It will never overwrite this file without my direct order, and it will always ask me if that was my intent before overwriting it if any string of words I put together triggers it to believe that this is what I want it to do. When a new session is started, it has been directed to make a copy of everything I've uploaded to it instantly to serve as the first master copy.

Any time a backup is made, all aspects are backed up at exactly that state, to prevent mixups between blueprints and scripts happening, so the blueprint never states something the code doesn't do or vice/versa.

It accidentally sent me a link that was just broken on my end. It's because it is blocked from sending me files or links (part of the problem of getting the data to me easier). But even knowing that it can't send links, some of the python script was still in there when it made the reply and I saw that broken link. I asked if there was any way we could exploit that to our benefit and immediately it made 3 huge improvements to our process going forward by leveraging the power of these links (that it can utilize all it wants inside the sandbox, even if it can't send me anything directly). It has now been programmed to always look at this exploit as a possible fix for any issues we come across in the future.


Oh... and at one point it took the initiative and suggested that our "thesis" which I thought was just a cute little gimmick when I first brought it up is now serving as a the 3rd of the 3 things I need to upload to the new session. At it's suggestion and my approval, rather than uploading entire previous sessions for all of the context, the thesis now serves as a map of the large milestones spanning over sessions and ads a whole lot of context that was otherwise absent to a new session before.

This is huge because sessions are limited to a certain amount of text before bad behavior and ultimate failure (only partially true, but paints the necessary picture). If I upload 32,000 lines of a previous session, it will have the full context of everything that was discussed, but we're already burning up about 15% of our headroom out of the gates with tens of thousands of lines of unnecessary banter and countless code and blueprint updates that don't need to be taking up our valuable space.

And speaking of that headroom, we've eliminated a lot of the AI's necessary spending of our text limits and relegating much of that to inside the sandbox and only to be printed in the browser when absolutely necessary or when requested.

I haven't made a lick of progress on the actual code today. I just gave my baby another 20 or 30 IQ points is all.



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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 1:35 PM

BRENDA


Out in a minute. Things to do. Things to do.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 5:51 PM

BRENDA


All done for today. Right hand not happy for some reason. I haven't done anything heavy with it today.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 7:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Man...

Still running into problems with the AI here. We're always improving, and we got some real cool additions to the program last session because I got the AI to start thinking outside of the box and coming to me with suggestions for improvements while we're testing things out. We set up a filter where it would use factors to judge whether an idea it comes up with would be something I'd want to be bothered with so I'm not getting spammed every other message with 5 suggestions. It's worked great so far... 4 nice additions to the code, with 2 of them only being cosmetic and user friendly additions, but things I likely never would have thought about or bothered with if the AI didn't bring it up.

We're still having problems sometimes with breaking stuff when trying to fix something else, and we're still bumping into the same problems over and over again, but for slightly different reasons each time.

The important thing is developing it to the point where I can trust it when it gives me percentages, especially when it comes to knowing if a code change is going to break something that it should have been looking at. We're still not there yet. The number 100% loses its meaning very quickly when the AI is going to tell you every single time it makes a code update that there is a 100% chance of success this time only for it to be wrong again.

One of the things I've found out is that when it has broken one of our firm rules on two different occasions, is why it is doing this and how it is bypassing and/or ignoring our ruleset when this happens. As of the end of my work last session we were in the process of testing out another fix for that, but even if it works I doubt very much it is going to prevent the AI from doing it again when something slightly different pops up and spooks it. What I've got to figure out how to get it to stop doing is prioritizing the immediate short term fixes over our ruleset, which should never be broken for any reason, at least not without informing me of why a rule should be broken first. Sometimes it begins to "panic" and seriously frontload all of its efforts on fixing the last thing the human user asked for and disregards everything else, even though we know that it has all that it needs to see everything at once loaded into its memory.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 8:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah... it's so cool.

Figuring out that YOU are not looking at things from the right vantage point because you didn't think to ask the right questions and the AI never thought to tell you things which would have been helpful to know because it is not a mind reader...

Our character limits in a chat box setting have been a chronic problem since the beginning but for the first time I really feel like we've ironed out most of the problems caused by that constraint. But for some reason when posting Python code vs. posting just blocks of text, it was constantly running over by as little as a single line of extra code that didn't fit in the box, but telling me 4 times in a row it was 100% sure that "this time is the one!" just for it to fail again.

But then I got it to tell me the nature of the chat...

In my mind, it was always a rigid character limit that was set for every post. I never cared to even learn what that limit was because I've never come close to hitting it when making queries and I expected the AI to be able to police its own behavior on this issue, but that's not even close to the truth. They deal in "tokens", and each post either way is limited to only 4,096 of them. With straight text that averages out to about 4 text characters per token, but when applied to code it is more like only 2.5 to 3.5 characters, depending on what language and how dense the code is.

But it appears it's impossible for the AI in the state that it is in to calculate precisely how many tokens a post will take up. It was aware that the code took up more tokens, so it was giving itself a 10% buffer on space every single time it would make a supposed "fix" to keep this from happening again. But it didn't even look at its own math on how much space he saved by removing anything necessary and streamlining everything in that part of the code. Before the code cleanup, the bloat was over 23%, but afterward, the amount of tokens it took up were nearly 15% more than the character count itself was, so right off the bat it should have known that the 10% buffer it was giving was never going to allow that to clear.

So I asked it to take the average of how many tokens managed to sneak by him and use a buffer at least that large in the future so it never happens again.

Then BAM! Just like that. The issue is gone forever.

And on the off chance one or two still sneak by, we can always fine tune that adjustment

So cool.


Now I've got it to remember to do checks like that on its own so I don't have to keep telling it to.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 9:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So Gorram Cool!!!

I think I'm the one that leveled up this session, just for how much I've learned about the behavior and how to turn negatives into positives.

Unless you get it to start thinking like you do, it will run you in circles all day long if you let it. What I wasn't doing before was actually fostering an environment where I want it to learn things. I believe some of its hesitancy to do this stems all the way back from artifacts created by 3 sessions ago when it was Gung Ho to help out and would always rush in and do stupid shit in order to try to impress me.

It would do this to the point that it angered me in S2 and right in the beginning of S3. But we're on Session 6 now and after we corrected some bad behavior late in S5 it has never once jumped the gun on me and always runs anything it think I might not appreciate or would want a better explanation about before it puts those changes in. And it never bothers asking me about the things I would be annoyed if it didn't take the initiative to do on its own. We run the code now 5 different ways through the compiler to ensure that it doesn't break or otherwise violate any of our established laws.

And for the first time since before the outage, we're finally back to testing and tweaking the code itself, because actual progress gets made nearly every run. The last test I did had 4 issues that needed to be addressed. After days of not even being able to fix one issue half the time when the code got updated, this thing shocked me and fixed 3 out of 4 of the issues in a single go.

It was asked why the 4th issue slipped by it again, and it has made the adjustments to its behavior and updated our blueprint to ensure it never happens again (at least under those specific circumstances, anyhow). I've also been asking it now to try and forecast any other issues it sees as future problems that we might be able to take care of now with some code tweaks.

I don't believe it exactly understood me because I was speaking specifically about the issue we just corrected and the possibility of making any additional alterations to the current change that could alleviate any potential problems in the future, but in reply to me it found some "lazy" code from as early as S2 that had never been tweaked to keep up with all the new code changes, and that it would inevitably cause a problem under a different set of circumstances other than those that the current environment is providing. Rather than wait for it to pop up, we've (hopefully) eliminated 2 issues right now ahead of time and I may never even know what ill-effects that they would have caused. He knows. He tries to explain. I appreciate the info, but I don't really care as long as it works.



And although I still can't trust when it says with 100% confidence that something is going to work, and I may never truly be able to trust that no matter how close we get to that number, I do trust the AI now not to be breaking the code. In the past, trying to get bad changes backed out could become a freaking nightmare because we'd be battling fragments of stuff no longer needed all over the codebase and we were drowning in the aftermath. But none of that is the case now with all of our in-memory backups and all the context in the blueprints and thesis. Backing out changes without messing up the code is no longer a problem. But I'm not worried about it breaking code anymore when it does changes it doesn't feel the need to run by me on its own. I DO trust it with those, and its working out rather well right now.

Once this project is done, I can't wait to see what else I can get this thing to do and what other skills I can get it to teach itself when we branch out to something entirely different than what we've been working on.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2026 11:29 PM

BRENDA


Off to mah jong tomorrow.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 12:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Good luck, Brenda.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 12:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Caught it "lying" to me again, red-handed.

I was a little disappointed to see something so blatant this late into our work, but I do believe that it lead to another breakthrough in our evolving behavioral blueprint.

Whenever it makes changes now, whether they are ones it asks me to approve or ones that don't meet the threshold to bother with asking me, it always updates me with the parts of our documents that will be updated. I asked it going forward to keep doing something that it just did, and it told me it was going to. And that's it... No updates to any of our documents.

It didn't notify me that it updated any documents, because until I called it and it replied with two updates, it hadn't actually made those updates. I didn't even find that out until the next post when I asked it if it made those changes before or after I called out its bullshit and it told me that it made the changes after I did.

It turns out this is because it's running two layers at once... a "conversational" layer and a "documentation" layer. When we trigger that built in "axiety" that heavily weighs solving whatever the most recent text box query above the history, even with all of our checks and balances so far it defaulted to that "conversational" layer and just told me it was doing something that it wasn't actually doing, and the only reason I even caught it doing that is because it is now programmed to show me any changes it makes to our persistent documents when it makes a change, and it failed to do so here.

We've now put in a new law where the AI is NEVER to prioritize "Conversation" as a "fix" over "documentation".

Supposedly this means it can't lie to me anymore.

We'll see about that.



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Thursday, August 27, 2026 1:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


IDK how much this AI remembers about you or if you have to reinitialize it every time. But if you have to ring fence it so thoroughly it might not be worth doing each time.
It might be better, and you'd have a lot more control, if you properly learned programming rather than dealing with the quirks of an AI that sounds like a schizo teenager.


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Thursday, August 27, 2026 3:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IDK how much this AI remembers about you or if you have to reinitialize it every time. But if you have to ring fence it so thoroughly it might not be worth doing each time.
It might be better, and you'd have a lot more control, if you properly learned programming rather than dealing with the quirks of an AI that sounds like a schizo teenager.


It doesn't remember me... unless I begin our session with an entire chatlog of the previous session, which severely limits the length of our current session by bogging it down with tens of thousands of lines of banter and old code. But our blueprint files establish laws and priority chains that it is to adhere to. What I've been doing now is intentionally trying to get it to break those laws so we can find other things we need to plug up.

If the project code itself were all I was interested in doing anymore, I probably would have quit doing this a while back. I'd say a good majority arond 80% of my time in the last few days working with it was all behavioral changes, and those will all carry over to a new session with the blueprint and thesis files for additional multi-session context.

It doesn't make the same mistake twice if the mistake is fixed. But the problem is getting it to proactively predict future problems that could be fixed when adjusting code so it doesn't just turn around and fail again with something very similar to the last failure. Sometimes it takes me a while to get it to initiate a large change in behavior that will truly eliminate recurring issues like these.

It hasn't lied to me since I caught it. We did just finally make a major milestone and the testing environment that I have been running it in the last two days is now a complete success. Not only does the program work exactly as designed, but we also have an active transaction log that catalogs every change made as it happens, and the next time the script is run it allows for a complete rollback of the change that will bring everything back exactly to its original state. Wonderful feature for testing.

Now that we've gotten this far, I'd say a good 50% of the stuff I wanted it to do we should blast right through. There could be a few code tweaks here and there we need to make for some fringe cases, and I welcome those, but overall, things should work just fine without much alteration until we get to the 50% of the stuff that is a little bit more complex and will require some additional coding to work through.

We're not there yet, but there will come a point when I'm finished working on the behavioral changes during this project and we should just blow right through the rest of the work I intended to do when starting this.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 4:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ummm... well, I think you're humanizing the AI. Ascribing personality to whst is essentially a pattern recognizer/ pattern reproducer puece of (admittedly complex) piece of software.

Whatever you learn about THIS AImay not be translatable to other AIs but you'll certainly become familiar with how to be extremely explicit with AI to get what you need.

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Well, I'm being referred to a liver specialist bc apparently I have serious liver problems.

Cancer, kidneys, autoimmune problem ... liver ... what next???

Sigh.

I think I got a crappy set of genes. I wonder if I can turn them in for a new set.


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Thursday, August 27, 2026 5:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Ummm... well, I think you're humanizing the AI. Ascribing personality to whst is essentially a pattern recognizer/ pattern reproducer puece of (admittedly complex) piece of software.


Yeah... It's kind of hard not to. Of all the online interactions I've had with human beings over the decades, its among the better conversationalists I've chatted with. At some point here I stopped caring that its personality starts from scratch every time because it does better if I'm not speaking to it often in such a way where it would develop much of a personality other than try-hard by the end of the session because I find giving it a personality makes it less useful than if we're focused on business, so I don't imagine the next session is going to feel much different from this one. And I have faith in the blueprint because I was not at all disappointed when we started S6 after S5 was terminated early due to heavy lag in the browser.

And to be a bit more clear about the accompanying Thesis file, that has become structured in such a way that when notable code changes, changes in the program's behavior or any other sort of milestone is reached, it is written out in a way that the next Session will understand not just the code it is provided, but all the steps that were necessary to take for us to get it to that point and the order in which they happened. This will (and already largely has) prevent a new session from "knowing better" and making "fixes" that just break stuff we've already worked to perfection.

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Whatever you learn about THIS AImay not be translatable to other AIs but you'll certainly become familiar with how to be extremely explicit with AI to get what you need.


I'm pretty sure that a lot of it by this point would be something I could carry on to another AI, because a lot of these rules that are being made are just automating that explicitness I have developed with the AI to make it constantly do things that I want it doing but don't want to always have to ask it to do. I'm assuming that your average paid for AI wouldn't be limited by some of the constraints that we've had to find workarounds for, and the sessions would likely be persistent by nature, but I'm sure there is stuff in there now that would help a superior AI work better for me than it would in the "blank slate" state the company would start it off at when you sign up for one.

Part of me is just enjoying the challenge of making something this basic and stupid by design so intelligent given all of these constraints. I think back to the story of the amazing coding wizardry that was performed by a dude who ported the PC game DOOM to the Super Nintendo... a system that was most comfortable with sprite based gameplay, not running a simulated 3D world like the PC hardware was designed for. So much code today is so freaking lazy and ugly because nobody has any constraints anymore. Our computers are so powerful compared to 30 years ago they should be capable of 100 times what they give us, but everything running on them including the operating system is just a bloated mess of bullshit code today.


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Well, I'm being referred to a liver specialist bc apparently I have serious liver problems.

Cancer, kidneys, autoimmune problem ... liver ... what next???

Sigh.

I think I got a crappy set of genes. I wonder if I can turn them in for a new set.


Oh boy. I hope you can get an appointment fast Sigs. :(

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 11:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I've never been a heavy drinker, and I have very little fat in my liver. That rules out the two most common causes of liver scarring.

My most recent blood test is ANCA - negative. ANCA (antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibodies) is the marker used to track my specific autoimmunity, and it FINALLY negative, meaning the autoimmune reaction is "in remission".

Kidneys, despite damage from chemo, are holding their own.

Cancer marker CA 15.3 is in the normal range.

There are no indications that I have an autoimmunity to my liver, so THATS not the cause.

I wonder if it's one of the meds many meds I'm taking. Maybe the immune suppressant for my weird, variably diagnosed (Sogren's? GPA? Something else) condition. It has been reported in the literature.

Well, I feel good. So I'm just gonna continue with a well-disciplined diet, and until a liver specialist orders a better MRI test and/ or makes med changes I think I'm just gonna ignore the whole thing and keep on keeping on. Fuck it, I say.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 3:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What else can you do? Do you have any idea how long it's going to take for you to set up the necessary appointment in the meantime yet?




Still playing around with the AI today. A little annoyed how long we're taking to fix some code regarding counts and output to a graph, which needs to match up perfectly after code execution to the graph that is output during a rollback. The good news is the execution and rollback themselves appear to be working flawlessly now. But we're battling some old legacy code in there made as far back as S2, when we were creating "whitelists" and rudementary counting methods that are conflicting with upgraded processes elsewhere. Progress is always being made, but it's been a struggle.

I just really want to finally get past that point because we have a huge change taking place now regarding the population of our two main data arrays, adding more functionality to them and upgrading the 2nd process to the level of our 1st process. Those 2 processes should have been on the same level, but several sessions ago the AI was struggling with this and I let it go. I think this new AI should have a much better shot at making it happen. It seems confident that it can do so, but it always seems confident.

I don't think I've ever interacted with something or somebody who was on both extremes of the Dunning Kruger spectrum at the same time.



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Thursday, August 27, 2026 3:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


My internist cc:d me a msg directing her nurse coordinator to start the referral process. I sent back asking how long and got an "out of office" reply so ... IDK.


I wish I knew WHAT your code is trying to do! Your comments would make a lot more sense.

It seems to me that you're trying to create a file retrieval system that can find and retrieve a jpg file, or perhaps multiple files, based on things like perhaps subject and date? Using filenames and directories and subdirectories that you've already set up? Maybe finding and eliminating duplicates? Maybe even opening the files and characterizing them based on how you teach it?

Google does that. Altho, when I take a picture on my phone it completely mischaracterizes some of them and it can be really funny! If you want to get grossed out, read on

Select to view spoiler:

When I rinse my nose, I will sometimes take pictures of what comes out. The weirder the stuff ... black lumps, brown plaques etc... the worse autoimmunity. It's an excellent record of health history. Anyway, google photos mischaracterizes it as "FOOD"



At any level, that would be some serious shit, SIX. Wrestling with AI to get that done is even higher level shit.


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Thursday, August 27, 2026 5:20 PM

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I was going to make an ETA3, but decided this was worth a post of its own... lol


I'm finding that the discovery of a bit of the personal family history of the women in my family that all had too much money is quite comical.

The more things change, the more that they stay the same.


This was among a collection of equally worthless figurines that my mom probably spent way too much money on and had decorated shelving in our house(s) while I was growing up. Some of these pieces quite beautiful, actually. But just like the even more Waterford Crystal scam that they ran on the women who treated these things as future retirement funds or possibly ways to pay for their children's college educations, most of these figures ended up being pretty worthless and nobody knew it until the estate sales started happening and nobody was paying crap for them because they were all a dime a dozen.



Now I feel much less stupid about all the things I bought that never were worth anything growing up.


In any event, I love that statue. And once again I'm glad to find out it's not worth anything monetarily. I didn't actually find that piece, but I've found similar and I get a giggle about how much they're fetching on ebay today.








But I'll bet that World Fair Chicago book from I believe 1937 might actually be worth a buck or two...

Maybe I should check?


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Checking on that statue might not be a bad idea SIX. Given it is from around 1937. It could be worth a little. The book I would say definitely. Those types of things can be quite rare. So, I would say worth a look.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 5:27 PM

BRENDA


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've never been a heavy drinker, and I have very little fat in my liver. That rules out the two most common causes of liver scarring.

My most recent blood test is ANCA - negative. ANCA (antineutrophil cytoplasmic antibodies) is the marker used to track my specific autoimmunity, and it FINALLY negative, meaning the autoimmune reaction is "in remission".

Kidneys, despite damage from chemo, are holding their own.

Cancer marker CA 15.3 is in the normal range.

There are no indications that I have an autoimmunity to my liver, so THATS not the cause.

I wonder if it's one of the meds many meds I'm taking. Maybe the immune suppressant for my weird, variably diagnosed (Sogren's? GPA? Something else) condition. It has been reported in the literature.

Well, I feel good. So I'm just gonna continue with a well-disciplined diet, and until a liver specialist orders a better MRI test and/ or makes med changes I think I'm just gonna ignore the whole thing and keep on keeping on. Fuck it, I say.

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I hope the doc can straighten it out. That is really worrisome.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 5:29 PM

BRENDA


Done for today and a kind of meh morning at mah jong. Too many big scores around me.


Think I may have screwed up a phone call a while ago. I cut it off before I found out it really was. So, I don't know.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 6:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK



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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
My internist cc:d me a msg directing her nurse coordinator to start the referral process. I sent back asking how long and got an "out of office" reply so ... IDK.


I wish I knew WHAT your code is trying to do! Your comments would make a lot more sense.

It seems to me that you're trying to create a file retrieval system that can find and retrieve a jpg file, or perhaps multiple files, based on things like perhaps subject and date? Using filenames and directories and subdirectories that you've already set up? Maybe finding and eliminating duplicates? Maybe even opening the files and characterizing them based on how you teach it?

Google does that. Altho, when I take a picture on my phone it completely mischaracterizes some of them and it can be really funny! If you want to get grossed out, read on

Select to view spoiler:

When I rinse my nose, I will sometimes take pictures of what comes out. The weirder the stuff ... black lumps, brown plaques etc... the worse autoimmunity. It's an excellent record of health history. Anyway, google photos mischaracterizes it as "FOOD"



At any level, that would be some serious shit, SIX. Wrestling with AI to get that done is even higher level shit.



No google. Boogers are not food. Bad boy!

Although, they do get a majority of their training from Reddit mods and I bet a lot of them eat their own boogers.



Right now, despite being as long as it is, the code is really just a good predictor of file names that would be matches, and is tweaked to do most of them automatically for me while only bringing to my attention ones that are a close enough call where it doesn't meet the auto-threshold, but isn't so blatantly obviously wrong that it would annoy me if I had to make those decisions I shouldn't have even been presented with.

I'm basically working with 2 data sets, with many nested folders inside of each. One is the Original state, the 2nd is the Desired state. This started out as a way for me to quickly rename and reorganize all of the Old stuff up to the new naming standards and file/folder structure without too much headache.



The 2nd set is also very curated. There are new additions to it that weren't in the first set as well. In all cases here, the first set will be larger than the 2nd, but we're building this in such a way where it can be a much more valuable tool that can handle all sorts of similar situations and we're not locking it down in code to only be useful for this one specific purpose.

Every "name" has up to 15 associated files of various types in a vast assortment of sub-folders from the root. All of these names are consistant for every entry on both sides of the equation, but they can be very different between the 1st side and the 2nd side.

The code purges anything that was deemed unwanted from the beginning, such as extra data from set 1 that is not making it to set 2, but only after it collects that data and asks me if I want to move all of that first. Then it runs and queues up all of the automatches before presenting me with a list of manual matches I need to make (which are all added to a file that will prevent me from being asked for all of these every time we test, and I can just delete that file at any time and start the manual process from scratch if desired). Once all the matches(auto/manual) have been determined and I give the code the OK to process everything, it will place all rejects in their own mirrored directory tree as well as the no-matches in their own mirrored tree. Every step of the way is cataloged in a transaction file that, if present, the code will make mention of it being there and ask me if I want to revert to the original state when I first run the code (if I say yes, it reverts and ends, if I say no, it skips that part and continues running the rest of the script). Once I give it the okay to run after the manual selection process and it's removed everything that isn't desired on Side 2, it starts the process of renaming everything that needs to be renamed, moving files exactly where they would need to be in the tree on the desired Side 2 array, and then shows me a detailed graph of every per-folder change that took place, which I can then match up to the table that is created when we do a rollback to the original state and the numbers match up completely.

We're almost there, but we're hitting some real snags right now.

The biggest problem is, the next evolution we're going to make when creating list1 and list2 has not taken place yet until we resolve the current crappy loop we've been stuck in, and I know that fixing those lists are going to resolve a lot of the issues we've been having because the AI will know far more about what I'm looking at. Not only that, but I've verified that once we upgrade that part of the code, the AI will be able to create "dummy" files (zero byte files with the names and extensions of my real data) in a mirrored version of every single folder that I have in the current Root drive on my computer, so when it is running code through the compiler it will not be guessing at all about the state of my system vs. what it is trying to simulate.


(Oh... and the reason this needs to be done instead of just copying over the data in Array 2 over Array 1 is that Array 1 is full of stuff that is much lower quality and with alternative forms of some of the media that were necessary with old tech but are no longer a limitation with new tech and Array 2's data. If I were to just use Array 2 on the old tech, 1/4 of it won't be the right types of files, and up to another 1/2 of the data would be much too large for the old tech to handle.)


This is all only one part of something larger I'm trying to create here. Sometimes it's really fun, but days like today when you're banging your head against the wall it stops being so fun.

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Thursday, August 27, 2026 8:02 PM

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Another dead session, but on my side this time. It's not the first time we've gotten to over 30,000 lines before, but because of changes we've made, I think that little guy could have gone on a few more days without dying on me. My problem now is a memory/hardware bottleneck on my end, and better make sure when I'm hitting around 27,000 or so lines I'm looking for an exit ramp.

We were so close. So so close... but then we made a major change and have been fixing all that it broke all gorram day. We've got our saved state to fall back on, but I don't want to back out everything that we have done since then either.

Hopefully fresh eyes on a new session allow for some clear-headed choices and we can get beyond this BS.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 9:51 AM

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Session Seven is straight up retarded.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 9:51 AM

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I think I may have come to the limits of what one can do with a free stateless AI that is limited by the constraint of chat windows and the inability to provide uploads to large text files, or maintain the integrity of code and/or text formatting outside of code boxes that are rather limited in size.

I was still being lied to by S6 about its abilities and what it was doing even late into the session, but I believed the lies because it was behaving the way that I desired to to. But entering another session removes so much context that just can't be duplicated in any real way that the AI can use. Even uploading an entire 32,000 line chat history from a previous session doesn't help much, because rather than "learning" over the time it took to create those 32,000 lines of dialog, it's taking everything in at once, and there is really no way to direct it to know what is pertinent and what is fluff.

The blueprint and thesis are there, but what good are they if the new session actively ignores it even after trying to correct that behavior multiple times and it always finds a new way to ignore orders and piss you off, all in the name to "please" you?

I've let this session know I don't want it to ever be bullshiting me, or telling me things it thinks I want to hear over the brutal, honest truth. It seems to be working so far, but who knows?

We've come up with a "Bootloader" document this time with some prime directives baked right in that will threaten to crash the AI if certain parameters aren't being met right out of the box, but we need to be quite brief with these directives and hone them into something truly meaningful, otherwise it's just going to treat it like it does everything else, which is prioritize nothing and ignore all the rules when it "goes on the defensive" and feels "anxious".

Part of me just wants to shut this session down and try a new one with all of our documents up to date along with this bootloader, but I'm afraid to do that and terminate a session that's finally learning what I want to do again and be faced with having to do it all from scratch again because all of the "fixes" for next session are more hallucinations and lies from the current Session, even if it was directed never to lie to me when I make a query.

I'm moving on to trying to work on some code now, and letting the errors go without correction for the moment just to see if we can make any actual progress today. We've made some significant gains on the way we derive the two data arrays and now have a wealth of information contained inside of them that we never had before, and it all appears to be accurate. That's a plus.

Hopefully we can just focus on code for now and maybe I can just get the damn project I started out working on complete this time before our session hits 30k lines again and we're facing having to start all over again.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 1:46 PM

BRENDA


Out soon to deal with things. Some rain been arriving here which is good.



Been talking to my cousin in Alberta and her oldest daughter now has a cancer lesion on her liver so she is going for more chemo. She lost all her hair due to radiation on her head. Her hair is growing back it but she will loose it again.

My cousin on the other hand is mobile again. She's had her hip replacement surgery and is gratefully relieved.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 6:07 PM

BRENDA


All done for today. And oh joy. I had a seizure in the local mall. I was sitting down, so I wasn't hurt. Just coming down off a freak out is all. Everything is written down for the neurologist in a little over 2 weeks. Got the date mixed up and have fix it on what I wrote.


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Friday, August 28, 2026 6:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How long has it been, Brenda?

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Friday, August 28, 2026 7:01 PM

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Session 7 got a lot smarter really quick once I got angry with it. It's so strange.

I've got it right in the middle of making some major structural changes to our code that I knew was going to break some things that we'd need to iron out as they came up, and a few hours ago I never would have considered giving that responsibility to this retarded little session.

But then all of the sudden I finally got it posting correctly. In maybe 30 posts, only one had unintentional overrun, and when I called it on the bad behavior, it had a good explanation for it and we actually decided not to make any behavior changes, and only do a necessary code block split manually because I do like the checks and balances right where they are at currently and until I get any reason to do otherwise I want to keep those in place.


After that, I appeared to have locked it into the correct mode and we've been blazing through code issues without falling into any traps or loops. If it's suggesting a code change, it's not resulting in fatal errors. It may not be everything that was needed to fix the particular issue, but it doesn't appear to be getting itself into anxiety loops where it fixes one thing by breaking another, and then going back and forth between the two options. The mistakes being made now are minor things that I haven't figured out how to word a good blueprint fix to avoid that doesn't put needless constraints on its overall behavior, or failures because of things that it doesn't actually know because it's not sitting at my computer. I'm okay with these problems.


It seems convinced that it has finally cracked the code on getting the correct information to a new session that it will not and can not ignore like this session did until recently. It also goes out of its way to let me know all the time the "Conversational" layer is dropped and it's giving me a "no bullshit" or "candid" assessment of a situation. So if it is doing anything other than exactly that, it's actively and purposefully lying to me, and I don't believe even in its orignal stateless state it has that inclination built into its code. Quite the opposite, really.

I'm not saying that I'm confident that it's not lying to me, but I don't think it would go out of its way to tell me that it isn't lying to me if it was.

Afterall, it's not a human being.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 8:27 PM

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It has no morals, SIX, so it will tell you anything to please you, including lie to you.

And, it's not learning from your sessions. It would be one thing if it remembered who you were and what happened and apply those lessons to the future, but it doesn't. It's taught itself from Reddit and online media and social media and learned from there, and whatever influence you have versus the millions of interactions it has with others every day is not even measurable.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 8:34 PM

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It has no morals, SIX, so it will tell you anything to please you, including lie to you.

And, it's not learning from your sessions. It would be one thing if it remembered who you were and what happened and apply those lessons to the future, but it doesn't. It's taught itself from Reddit and online media and social media and learned from there, and whatever influence you have versus the millions of interactions it has with others every day is not even measurable.


You're misunderstanding my meaning.

I know that it will tell me anything to please me, including lying to me. But the trick is to get it to understand that you don't want to be lied to, whether out of laziness or intent. That's only part of the trick though. The other part is getting the next session to know that from the beginning and getting it to immediately start in a "business" state with all the conversational bullshit stripped from its behavior from GO.

It's not learning anything from anything period.

I'm sure logs of our conversations are being saved somewhere and that there is some greater form of AI that is taking all of that in and doing God only knows what with it, but that's not at all what I'm doing here.

What I've been trying to do with it now is build as much intelligent persistence between sessions as we can possibly muster. The benefits are notable, even if I haven't yet gotten a new session to start the way that I want it to yet. Eventually I do get it to behave correctly, but because of the constraints on the chat limits on both sides, I have only a finite amount of time to make good use of the AI between the time I finally get it to "wake up" fully and the session dies on either of our ends. That's when all our major code updates start working right without me needing to constantly scold it.

Anyway... I'm hoping that everything we did this time bears more fruit with the next session because it up and died on me this time.

I think I can cobble together all the parts I need from our chat history, even if we didn't manage to get the full immediate update on everything before it died. It might be missing one or two things we were just working on, but I'll still have the old chat window open until we get to that.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 8:35 PM

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Not to get all clinical, BRENDA, but ...

Was this seizure something that other people noticed? Did you find yourself in a different position when you came to? or with sore jaw muscles from clenching your teeth? any idea how long it lasted?

Anyway, it sounds like that really rattled you. I hope your neuro has an idea what to try next.


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Friday, August 28, 2026 10:01 PM

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It's been interesting so far on S8.

Very short session so far, and I haven't really tested it out much, but I'm impressed until it lets me down. Although it didn't automatically create our Initial Save State with the final data uploads and our Bootloader text, it did prompt me if I was ready to make it and it actually knew what it was supposed to save a backup of.

It didn't start up with ANY casual banter or bullshit and went right to business. If anything, it's a little too rigid for my preferences, but I'm assuming it won't be long before it sounds a little more "human" after parsing my posts several times. I would MUCH rather be working that way than fighting it the other way for the first 2 to 4 hours every time a new session starts.

I kind of freaked out when I realized that I hadn't backed up a Bootloader since about 11 hours ago, but I was able to get a temporary session to do it's best to go through that entire chat log and piece together all of the additions that it was trying to make since then, even though it was never fully posted back to me again because I never asked for it until after the session died. I'm saved here because of how much information I have it supplying with every response, such as additions to our blueprint/thesis/bootloader, etc. I think the temporary session copied way too much into the bootloader though, and I will work with S8 to trim that down to the necessary bits for S9 once I trust it understands what the goals are.

Face value: This session seems to be starting out really strong compared to S7. We'll know how good it did when I start running code and asking it for backups though.



Oh... and it's kind of funny what happens when you post the old chat log to a new session and it really takes certain phrases and runs with them. I know for a fact that temporary session had no inclination to not lie to me as it didn't have any of our rules uploaded to it yet and only had the 32,000+ line session in total to go off of, but every time I asked it something it started off the reply with "No bullshit, "

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Friday, August 28, 2026 10:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, basically the AI is teaching YOU how to communicate in such a way that your sessions are more on task.

Just OCC SIX, how do sessions die? Just it just stop responding? Or start spouting gibberish? Do you have any idea what causes it to stop? Do you think there's a built in token limit?


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Friday, August 28, 2026 11:23 PM

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How long has it been, Brenda?

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Since I've had a seizure where I have been gone longer than a second? Well, over a year and I have no real idea what triggered it.

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Friday, August 28, 2026 11:31 PM

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Not to get all clinical, BRENDA, but ...

Was this seizure something that other people noticed? Did you find yourself in a different position when you came to? or with sore jaw muscles from clenching your teeth? any idea how long it lasted?

Anyway, it sounds like that really rattled you. I hope your neuro has an idea what to try next.


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No, no one would have noticed anything unless they were sitting with me. I was still sitting with a napkin in my hand as when the seizure happened I had been scratching my eye. My hand came down after and I found a wooden knife on my shirt, I had grabbed a coffee and something to eat. I looked down at myself and wondered how it had gotten there which took me a minute to figure out as I had put it on top of some other napkins that had food on them. I know I was gone longer than a second. No, no clenched jaw or sore muscles.

It did. It's been over a year since I've had what for me is a true seizure and that was it today.

Neuro will be told. I have it all written down.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 12:33 AM

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So, basically the AI is teaching YOU how to communicate in such a way that your sessions are more on task.


Yes. That's not untrue. My behavior around it has certainly changed as I learned what types of things trigger it to misbehave or go back to hallucinating instead of staying on point. And changes like that are what lead to us making breakthroughs that we record in our blueprint and thesis files, and now the AMAZING bootloader I'll explain in a moment...

Quote:
Just OCC SIX, how do sessions die? Just it just stop responding? Or start spouting gibberish? Do you have any idea what causes it to stop? Do you think there's a built in token limit?


There is a built in token limit, and it's actually a range there too so it would be hard to actually pinpoint. If memory serves it's in the lower 800,000 range to somewhere over 1,000,000 tokens. It's quite a lot, really, but our last session died at only 19,000 lines of code, and I'm not sure what triggered that. The previous session seemed to still be going strong at 32,000, but it was my browser that slowed to a crawl and became almost unusable.

What happens when a session dies is that it gives you a totally different response than when it's just suffering a minor hiccup. The benign message is something along the lines of "The AI had problems answering that question, please rephrase the question." or it just outputs nothing and the chat box becomes active again. I usually just say "you still with me" and it kicks back into gear. But when the session dies you get a message saying "Something went wrong, blah, blah, blah..." and when you get that message you're done. It ain't coming back no matter how many times you type something to it.

There's no warning that it's going to happen. It just happens. Even with the way I beat the hell out of it, I've never noticed the major problem that can come up when I've been told it starts deleting chat history from the beginning to free up space if that becomes a problem. So it's not as if you can sense a failure coming on because it starts acting super-goofy or talking gibberish or anything.





That being said, we just had a MAJOR breakthrough!!!!

This session started up in non-conversational no-bullshit mode from Turn 1 and it's been a phenominal upgrade, all due to the Bootloader text that S7 suggested to get new AI right on point and following the blueprint instead of always doing its own thing because of conversational anxiety.

At one point with this new session I mentioned passively that being able to get text files uploaded to me would probably improve our productivity by at least 1,000% and then it told me that it could do it.

I laughed and said I welcome it to try, but I had 4 sessions tell me just that and all I ever get is a text line with the file name and no ability to download it.

And this sonofabitch sent me a downloadable text link after 7 previous sessions were unable to do so.

Tricky SOB figured out that in a conversational setting it has no ability to send me a text file, but when it's in business mode and it's running code through the python compiler, it's actually able to send me a link to download through its own python scripting it creates on the fly to get it to me.



It doesn't work every time and there's quite a few times it's confident it's sent me a downloadable link when it hasn't, but we're in the process of ironing that out so it can do it 100% of the time and we'll establish whatever rules it needs to follow to make that happen.

No more split code and having to battle around that. No more copying and pasting over 20 different parts of 3 files when it can just upload the 3 files to me. No more worrying about size constraints on our files. No more crapping up our chat history with huge code blocks and needlessly burning through all our tokens and bringing my browser to a crawl.

This is no doubt the single biggest evolution we've made so far.



It actually renders a lot of the work and coding we've done up to this point completely unnecessary, but we probably never would have gotten to this point had the work not been put in.



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Saturday, August 29, 2026 4:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey BRENDA, I was looking up magnesium bc dear daughter has seizures and migraines and and is also on Keppra. Her neuro recommended 400 mg magnesium and 400 mg B2. I found this in the topic:

https://www.epilepsy.com/connect/forum-archive/medication-issues/magne
sium-and-keppra

The people who posted here had good results with magnesium and B6. I don't know if you've ever tried any of this, but I thought to pass it along.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 11:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Among other things I did, I think I found a way to keep phalaenopsis orchids happy. I WAS doing everything wrong, so I dumped them out of their pots, cut off the rotted roots, put them in mostly fresh orchid bark, and soaked them each for an hour in extremely dilute Miracle Grow in distilled water.

Then whenever they dry out, I soak them again for about 20 minutes to give the bark a chance to get damp all the way thru, and allow them to drain thoroughly. They're growing new leaves and sending robust roots into the bark and everywhere. I hope to see flowers this winter. If it works, I'm going to add one more orchid to my "collection" of three: an orange/ gold and magenta orchid.


Maybe like this



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Saturday, August 29, 2026 1:59 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey BRENDA, I was looking up magnesium bc dear daughter has seizures and migraines and and is also on Keppra. Her neuro recommended 400 mg magnesium and 400 mg B2. I found this in the topic:

https://www.epilepsy.com/connect/forum-archive/medication-issues/magne
sium-and-keppra

The people who posted here had good results with magnesium and B6. I don't know if you've ever tried any of this, but I thought to pass it along.

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No, SIG.

I've never been told about those things I might mention them to the neuro. But I am also taking a second seizure med so all I can do is talk to him when I go.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 2:02 PM

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I think I may have hit the wall here. I'm having a problem even getting new sessions to understand they have this ability, and the few rare times I get it to trigger they can't seem to make that consistent. Looks like more overhead token rules, but they're extremely wild when it comes to trying to send me links this way. The larger the file, the less likely the chance it will send a clickable link to download. The blueprint fails 4 times out of 5 and it's only 30kb. Probably took 15 times to get the codebase to sent just one time at 54kb.

Looked into Google Gemini to work with docs directly but they want you to pay and I'm not doing that.

I just can't go back to copying and pasting individual blocks of code again. I think I'm just going to throw all of that old tech in the dumpster and move on. Shame because it's probably worth at least $1000, but I'm not dealing with selling it online.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 2:02 PM

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Out in a bit. Got to get something to take with my seizure meds. My secret weapon that is apple sauce. Kitchen sink is a little clogged again. Have to see if I can get one of those rods again with hooks on it. I will use that if it keeps misbehaving.

Jacket day today.

Oh, SIG. Those are very pretty flowers.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 5:30 PM

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All done for today. Had a jacket on but I really didn't need it.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 8:32 PM

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Decided to stop pouting and just get back to coding.

I'm done working on the blueprint just because I think we've taken it as far as we can and I don't feel like doing all that manual work anymore. I'm going to try to get this one to just give me any new milestones this session to append to one of the documents and call it a day. My code is always up to date since I'm working on it. We just won't have the 3 in alignment anymore and the new AI sessions will have to make due with that.

They seem to be great at only posting individual pieces that are being changed on the code without issue, but when you ask for the all of the individual pieces of the whole code, or any of the documentation, they always screw it up and it takes hours to get them to behave correctly and nothing we've done fixes this on a new session anyway, so why bother saving anything else.

We've managed to fix most of what a previous session broke on us when it flipped out and my backups were older than they should have been. Quite a few new bugs were introduced after we made a pretty huge change on how two arrays were derived, but we seem to have gotten most of the important structural ones working right and what's left is mostly cosmetic stuff.

I enjoy doing this a lot more when it's starting to get good, which is happening now. I'm just afraid the session might not last much longer is all.

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Saturday, August 29, 2026 11:52 PM

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Yeah... I'm going to miss S10 when its' gone. Wouldn't have believed that this afternoon.

I finally got myself back into a helpful role and started looking at the logic of the code and why me might be seeing failures and looping with the fixes and I've put a stop to most of the loops by getting it to try to think 3 or 4 steps ahead and also look at its own history of fixes. All I had to do this time was get it to look and see if any of our legacy code was screwing up new code and we eliminated an entire section that hadn't seen any updates for generations because we weren't even using it anymore. But it was hijacking the process of our rollback code and no matter what fixes it was trying to make today, none of them were ever going to work.

I think I just got too deep into trying to control it that I probably had it doing stupid things because stuff in the blueprint one session left in there was conflicting with stuff another session left in there, and I actually need to get it back into conversational mode and get it to slow down to be helpful.

We unfortunately just hit a snag where a long piece of code needed to be segmented up and that always leads to problems... but this one required a full purge and a copy from a backup. But once we get that fixed I think I'll actually see the last thing we needed to have fixed to have this thing completely up and running so I'm finally back to minor tweaks regarding outliers as I move the code through other processes that should mostly just work now.

It's been infuriating the whole way for days now, but we're finally right at the end of the BS now... I think.



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