In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2) by SIGNYM

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In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, August 31, 2026 17:45
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Sunday, August 30, 2026 3:29 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

For the first time in IDK how long, the daytime high is under 100°F. Yay! It's expected to "cool down" to 88°F (I can't believe I'm even posting that 88°F is cool. It must be all relative.)

Still not cool enough for safe outdoor work for me, but I can spend maybe 10-15 mins doing something.

We've been keeping our AC at 78 during the day, and 72 at night. And we use fans. But this summer has been so extraordinarily, relentlessly hot and humid, even with solar I'll bet our electric bill for the year (we get billed yearly) is going to be in the 1000s, when it's normally plus or minus a few hundred of zero. I sure hope this is the start of fall!

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Sunday, August 30, 2026 4:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh, I HAD to take a language in HS. Four years! And since Spanish classes were already full, it wound up being French. I HAVE to write it down and see how it's spelled to make it stick. I worked at it, and after four years I got good enough to read Le Petit Prince in the original, but the process was painful! At uni, as part of a chem degree, I had to take either German or Russian. But I didn't want to have to learn a new alphabet on top of a new language, so I picked German and hated every effing moment. THAT was the only course I got a D in!

Oh boy... That sounds like a nightmare to me. I remember having to learn spanish for a semester in jr. high, but by high school I wasn't even required to, so I stayed far away from foreign languages.

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Me too! If I don't see a need for something, it don't pursue it!
But it's obvious to me that you're a very quick study, and have pursued many things I wouldn't have confidence to.

I a quick study, but only when it interests me and/or it's something I need to know that there is no other way to work around. When it comes to things like this, I did spend time trying to learn coding from time to time, but I'd get frustrated and realized how much time (in days) had passed and all of that time could have been spent just manually working on things, so I always went back to that. I need to be making forward progress always when I'm working on something, so I know I've shot myself in the foot not learning to code over 2 decades ago over time.

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It sounds like the thing holding you back is lack of focus. ADD or ADHD. Then bc if that, you believe that you're just "not good" at things like math, when in reality you just can't corral your attention on something that you're not interested in.

You're not wrong. This is the reason why I never finished college after several attempts. I got straight A's in everything but the few courses that were holding me back from getting a diploma. It didn't matter how many times I took them or who the teacher was, I would end up dropping the course right before it would have been considered a failure so it would only be marked as an Incomplete on my record.

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Do you get sent copies of the actual code?

Oh yeah. That's the one thing I don't have to ask for updates on because whenever we make a change I just swap out any of the 12 parts we now have when the AI makes a code change.

Where I'm falling behind now is our Blueprint and Thesis, which is a combination of our history, milestones and rules for the AI going forward.

I didn't bother saving anything from the completely wasted Session 9 since it was all about behavioral changes and getting the code to actually send me working downloadable links and it ended up being about 12 hours wasted.

I stopped banging my head against the wall regarding that shortly into Session 9 and decided I'm not even really going to worry about the blueprint/thesis anymore either. I added updates from Session 10 to that, but that's all. I'm done wasting the first 2 hours of every session re-training the AI how to send me all that stuff in a way that I can use it without breaking everything. It's all about code now.

This session is almost dead and we're still trying to work out that last bug. If we can manage that before the session dies, I think we're in good shape.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

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Sunday, August 30, 2026 7:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Fixed what I wanted to, but realized as I was going back and testing other things that we've let an automated process have far too much ability to make its choices without throwing some of them to me.

What's worse is our Part 9 and Part 10 of the code is basically filled up to the brim. I don't trust the AI at all to split those up and put pieces somewhere else either, because the 2 times we tried to do that it ended up in disaster.

I think it's cute that the new session "found a solution" and it's to put our code all back together and use our idea before of having the AI give me the code as a downloadable link through the python script.

I'm actually really proud of it that it came to that conclusion so early on when prior sessions would spend 15 minutes arguing with me that it wasn't capable of doing what I knew full well it was capable of. But the poor little dummy has no idea what we went through during those two sessions because I stopped documenting a lot of these things. I'm going to let it try for a little while and see if it can do anything just because it sometimes surprises me and finds a way to do what other sessions couldn't, but after about 10 minutes of this I'm going to tell it to abandon that idea.

I think we're going to have to split parts up going forward, and I really don't want to do that. It's bound to cause confusion both with me and the AI as well as our ability to properly document the stuff. I know we've tried it in the past and it didn't work out well for one reason or another.

If I knew anything at all about python code I could probably find ways of shrinking it down, or rearranging it so that some of that codebase could be wrapped in a part that is only taking up 10 or 20% of the available space, but that's not something I could do any better than the AI could.

I'm sure a lot of this stuff could be shrunk down if we were using function calls in a main part of the document and then we could just isolate coded parts as they are and just call upon them when necessary. I don't know how to do that either, and I'd be shocked if I could ever get the AI to do it before I threw the laptop out the window.

Hmmmmm.....

Our code is working so much better now overall, but a critical thing I need it to do that it used to excel at no longer works right.

I'm going to hate having to make that decision if it comes down to it.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

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Sunday, August 30, 2026 9:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Holy shit, Sigs!!!!

I have evolved again.

All that worry about AI not being able to simplify the code without breaking it was pure bullshit. I don't think I've ever seen it so good at doing something yet once you get it on the right track.

I was kind of messing around with this new session and reverting back to the original code several times if something wasn't working, and just got to bullshitting with this session about how I knew the code was really fragile and we're hitting limits on the size of posts and our parts and he's like "yeah... Your code is pretty jacked. I can fix that".

Yeah, right... I've got everything saved. Be my guest!

But I'll be damned...

This thing knows what it's doing. We've cut a few hundred lines from the code and saved thousands of characters so far.

Not only that, but it's really getting a grasp on what my code is for and what I'm doing. Early on in the process I theorized that it might actually improve it's ability to predict results and make changes that actually work instead of getting trapped in constant loops and it said that's exactly what's going to happen.

And it hasn't been wrong.

I've been running tests the whole time and not a single thing it has done has broken anything yet. And we've even added in a few new features I desired while we're moving along.

We've already started making functions that we can call in our main code, and I plan on getting this thing to suggest a lot more of them and really optimize the hell out of this thing by the time this session is over.

Every time we put something into a function that can be called, we're taking it outside of needlessly massive and complex blocks of code that can't be broken up into parts the way we were doing it before without catastrophic breaks in the program.

I think I can probably end up shrinking this down to only 7 or 8 parts by the time we're done, and any time we would ever need to add another page we'll have everything in such small blocks that it won't break our code!

This is crazy.

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Sunday, August 30, 2026 10:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

This session is AMAZING!!!!

I just ran all of our huge code cleanups on the largest test environment so far and noticed only one anomaly. Without telling it what I found in general, I stated that I could investigate myself which of the hundreds of files were different this time, but maybe it could find it in the simulation.

It actually took 4 prompts to get it to come back and I thought maybe I killed the session early by overloading it or something.

But it came back and knew the exact issue. Not only that, but it was an issue we'd already fixed with our broke ass basic bitch code in the beginning that has been upgraded, and I asked it if it could see how we fixed the issue in our history.

It complimented me on my memory before saying not only does it see what we did, but it's got a better way of doing it that will help us with other parts of the code simultaneously. Then it went on to say we're making it another function in our library and after once again evaluating Part 9 while working on that it found another way to remove 2,000+ characters from our code in that still monolithic block of text.

We started out this session at 56kb and we're down to 50kb now, even though we've added some new functionality while we've been at it. And nothing broke.

I haven't felt this excited working on this for days.

ETA: I don't know sigs... I might just learn a bit about coding afterall.

We've taken what to me has just been a monolithic block of nonsense and really started compartmentalizing things. The code used to be in 12 parts, and I decided to still keep 12 as the last part, but we've now moved all of our library functions to the first two parts, completely deleted the 3rd and 4th part, put the block for the user-interface which isn't exactly a library function in the 5th part so we can leave those 2nd two blocks free for future books in our library, and parts 6 and 7 are also blank before we get to the real execution code between 8 and 12. At least I think that's all execution code.

I'm still working with the AI to warehouse and consolidate everything. I'm also making sure that the parts most likely to be upgraded are those not buried in the middle and are twoard the top or bottom where they're the easiest to paste over.

It feels like I'm managing my inventory in a good Role Playing Game right now.

This is really scratching my OCD itches right now too.

ETA2: I've got this thing realizing how much it actually stripped away from our automation when it was simplifying things, but I knew I had my backup, and I knew at least until the session is up that it does too.

So I've had it looking over that and predicting some things it could put back into the code to make it do what it was doing before, and we've already figured out a few of them through testing, but I want to get it to predict this beforehand.

It goes out of its way to tell me how much easier and efficient it is to do it the way we're doing it now vs. all the sloppy code that used to do a lot of these things, and how now we're able to just point to specific functions we made or just call on native python instructions to handle things more efficiently now that we deal with so much more information and go about accessing it much smarter.

I didn't even order it to, but now every time we do this it tells me how many characters we saved by doing it the new way.

ETA: Earlier in the session I asked it to create one of those real college level thesis instead of the helpful multi-session timeline it's turned into over the sessions, and I told him to go ahead and put its signature on it, and it put "Session 11" in a cool ASCII art shape.

I got it to think it through and manage to be the first session I've ever had to pass along all 9 parts of the historical documents without overflowing the boxes, truncating the posts or doing something stupid like stripping out tons of valuable context and ruining the documents. It would take me at least 2 hours to get a session to do that the right way before, if I even was ever able to manage it. I'd stopped even asking for the full documents over the last 3 sessions because it always turned out to be a huge time suck, and I know I probably lost some valuable history out of that laziness and apathy.

After that I told it that it should be proud because I was. I said it could brag a little on its next historical entry and maybe S12 would view it as a challenge. It silently added that entry and later on when I asked for the update on the history since I last asked for it, when it added that milestone it put a fire icon staying it was laying down the gauntlet and challenging S12 to do what it just did, and made sure to tell it that it has all the tools and documentation necessary to do it right on the first time...

And then it signed it with its obscenely huge ASCII art.

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Monday, August 31, 2026 10:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Without seeing your code, I WAS getting the impression that you and the AI were creating what hubby calls The Great Barrier Reef ... as you say, a monolithic block of code ... with patches on patches to correct or modify something else in the code.

Now, it seems that you've defined functions that can be called over and over as needed. For example, a "sort" function.

Take a step back. Before you create a library of functions, are you able to define your variables? That might allow the creation of a "sort" function that can be used for many different sortings depending on which variable you plug into the function? That would reduce your code even more.

And yes, you're right. You're learning coding. Not the specific commands, but the logic and organization that makes coding efficient and scalable.

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Monday, August 31, 2026 12:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Without seeing your code, I WAS getting the impression that you and the AI were creating what hubby calls The Great Barrier Reef ... as you say, a monolithic block of code ... with patches on patches to correct or modify something else in the code.

Now, it seems that you've defined functions that can be called over and over as needed. For example, a "sort" function.

Take a step back. Before you create a library of functions, are you able to define your variables? That might allow the creation of a "sort" function that can be used for many different sortings depending on which variable you plug into the function? That would reduce your code even more.

And yes, you're right. You're learning coding. Not the specific commands, but the logic and organization that makes coding efficient and scalable.

You bring up a good point about defining variables. Now that we have all of this additional headroom, I should probably have this session comment everything so I can get a good idea of what all the functions do.

One of my problems is that we've done so much since the beginning, I don't even remember what all that we've done, and the way the code was written before there was never any way I could figure that out by looking at it. I know we still have functionality that was lost, but I can't even say for sure it was because of the work we were doing over the last 24 hours. It could have been an earlier session breaking parts of the sorting code to make the automation and counting codes work right, and because I wasn't testing in the environment that would have raised flags it was doing this, I didn't catch it.

So between our historical documents, old copies of code, the "memory" of the AI from these documents and more testing I'm going to figure out what we still need to put in there to get everything working right again.

It's so nice not to always be caught in these loops we were falling into before. It's still having problems making some changes that I believe should be pretty basic, but I still think that's because we still have more spaghetti code to sort through so it understands the entire codebase and what the aims were. I will be sure to be more careful about any more of the revisions we do to the code and I'll be more thorough in my testing so I know what logic we're losing if the AI isn't catching it.

So any time it's tried to do something more than once and it hasn't worked, I ask it to look at the remaining code and what we could do to make it more efficient.

Yeah... I don't think I'll ever actually learn the code itself, but if I can guide the AI correctly and build solid logical code from the beginning, there's really no reason that I have to beyond the overall logic of everything.

I've certainly got better things to be doing with my time right now, so I'd better at least wrap up what I wanted to get done and put a pin in this for a while.

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Monday, August 31, 2026 1:09 PM

BRENDA

Out in a bit. Things to do.

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Monday, August 31, 2026 2:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It just seems so strange to me, trying to develop software without knowing anything about programming.

It's like trying to get a mechanic to build a car by talking on the phone, without knowing the functioning parts of a car- engine, transmission, steering wheel etc. You might find out that something serious is missing - like brakes- only when driving it.

Just OOC I looked at example of Python programming

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/python/python-programming-examples/

It looks enough like English and it has high level functions so you don't have to be pushing numbers into registers and clearing memory and other stupid shit. You were able to learn MS command language, right? If you can't figure out your program, it's bc it's badly written and badly commented. Based on what you told me, my guess is that your program shouldn't be more than 1000 lines, and you should be able to grasp what each section does just by reading it.

I know bc I've had to review software that someone had written. We were acquiring data from various instruments ... balances, titrators etc ... and putting the data into a database for later calculation. I don't recall what language it was written in but it was easy to read, like Python, and I was able to see what each part did bc it was broken into subroutines and everything was well -commented. At some point I think you're going to have to bite the bullet and review the actual code. And if it's spaghetti and you can't figure out how it works, it's badly written.

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Monday, August 31, 2026 5:45 PM

BRENDA

All done on a pleasant day. Temp not too hot and not too cold. Found a couple of things that I wanted in a little store called, "Everything Japanese." I found a small easel to lean clock against and a holder that holds a notebook up. I had a bigger one years ago but I don't know what happened to it but it will suit my purpose.

Told the gentleman at register that I hadn't been able to find these items in the Dollar store and he said they try to have things the dollar store doesn't.

He also said that the Dollar store doesn't carry chopsticks and his store has some nice ones. I said I have scads of them and I do. As I was leaving the store I started wondering if he thought I was Asian.

Over the last 5 years I've had it one other time. I had been in that little store and then went to the coffee kiosk that is near it. The lady behind the counter asked me if I was Korean. Now in the past when I got asked those questions it was usually whites asking me. Had a good chuckle over that when I got in.

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