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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
The Uk's airports are now in a state of utter confusion and chaos because liquid explosives (do such things realy exist?)

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Of course, because the "plot" has been "foiled" we will never know who was telling the truth.
Coincidentely, the Isreali offensive into Lebanon has suddenly become un-newsworthy.

Are we realy this stupid?

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Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Or would it just be another excuse to rant our opinions, and criticize the government?

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Of course, because the "plot" has been "foiled" we will never know who was telling the truth.

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Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Or would it just be another excuse to rant our opinions, and criticize the government?

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Are you saying that such a responce is not indicative of being hurts, sad and/or angry?

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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Only a fool honestly believes the government does this to curb a threat (unless the threat we're talking about is the threat of the people kicking these incompetent power-fetishists to the curb and getting on with our lives).

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Then the Government must be doing this because they want to sell all of the confiscated products to needy Russians on the Black Market to further their GWT.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

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Another non-existant "plot" by non-existant "terrorists" to blow up Airliners with baby milk has been "foiled" by our magnificent security services.
21 people have been arrested in the UK in connection with the terror plot. I wonder how many of these 21 will actually be charged with an offence.
The Uk's airports are now in a state of utter confusion and chaos because liquid explosives (do such things realy exist?) might be used to blow up planes in mid flight.
Of course, because the "plot" has been "foiled" we will never know who was telling the truth.
Coincidentely, the Isreali offensive into Lebanon has suddenly become un-newsworthy.

Are we realy this stupid?

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
"Naive and cynical?" You wanna maybe try that again? lol

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Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Naive for those who think such terrorist attacks can't happen, or that folks aren't motivated to do such destruction.

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Cynical for those who think that every time a plot is discovered or that a nation tries to fight back against the terrorist, there MUST be something ulterior, sinister going on here.

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You literally can't handle the truth. And because of that, you must invent an entirely new foe, while ignoring the one which has openly vowed to kill you and destroy your culture.

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Cynical for those who think that every time a plot is discovered or that a nation tries to fight back against the terrorist, there MUST be something ulterior, sinister going on here.

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B & B have made the world less secure politically - by radicalizing moderate Muslims with their actions; less secure internationally - by alienating allies and torpedoing int'l police cooperation; and less secure procedurally - Bush by failing to secure the US borders. (see my posting from government computing news)

What is FAR worse, B & B have politicized security issues. Remember the melon-shade-of orange pronouncements, where threat alerts were timed to political events? People are cynical about terrorist plots b/c of B & B's cynical manipulations.

But you're right. It's counter productive to point and jibe. The opposition should instead be raising hell about the documented lack of security a full 5 years after 9/11.

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Originally posted by EmpXenu:

So you think this was fabricated because someone high up wants us to forget about Israel vs. Lebanon. Are you wearing your tin foil hat right now?

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
One of the fallacies, I think. Straw Man.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
BDN, I usually understand the thrust of your quips, but this one baffles me. What?

Liquid explosives pose no greater threat today than they did yesterday--and arguably less.

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What is the point of banning all liquids from U.S. flights except to manipulate the public into thinking the government is "doing something?"

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Originally posted by SignyM:
You know, the funny thing is I think that Au and Hero are so scared of a terrorist attack, they'll do anything, give up anything to prevent it. But as Ben Franklin said " People who are willing to give up freedom for the sake of short term security, deserve neither freedom nor security"

The next terrorist attack won't surprise me. I'm not in a state of denial but OTOH I'm not about to be stampeded by fear. Are we next going to discover a weapons cache on Grenada? Oh... wait... that's already been done. So, like a lot of folks I'm taking a wait and see attitude.

And you know, I'm not sure that wide-net security precautions do much. I wonder if ANY terrorists have ever been caught at an airport security checkpoint or by listening in on hundreds of thousands of phone calls or through Biowatch or financial transactions screening the many other monitoring programs "out there". If you spread your net TOO wide, you'll catch so much data that it's impossible to filter out the one or two dozen nuggets from the (literally) tens of millions of data points. And I'm not sure that "generic" security at a chemical plant (for example) would stop a dedicated terrorist either. I'm almost at the point of forgoing all broad-brush security measures because I think they only give an appearance of security. The FBI prolly does a much better job tracking specific persons of interest than these Rumsfeldian techno-nets.

But what I WOULD like to see is much better First Responder support. As of today fire, police, health authorities and other first responders STILL don't have a common radio frequency. because of our work with the DOD I've been in contact with the vars Hazmat groups and they've been gutted- severely gutted- over the past three or four years. Programs have fallen apart and personnel have drifted away. Think of all the $$$ that's been spent on near-universal monitoring and ask yourself: What kind of sense does THAT make?

It's a game... it's all a game to the current administration. They're not interested in doing anytting other than furthering their own ends -which have nothing to do with security.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, I do wonder if all that ... monitoring has really done any good? If I remember correctly, there was only one case where a potential terrorist was caught by a routine security check... it was that guy crossing into the US from Canada, and he had explosive in his car or something.

So after Timothy McVeigh, all purchases of fertilizer over a certain amount are recorded (I kid you not). Have we actually CAUGHT anyone since by monitoring fertilizer purchases? I doubt it. What has all of this snooping, spying, and list-making really gotten us?

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