For all you message board grammar nazis ..... you know who you are. by AURaptor

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Friday, February 4, 2011 5:37 AM

America loves a winner!

Man, I love the internets.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 4, 2011 6:27 AM

DREAMTROVE

Nah, I gotta agree with Rap. I've gotten these before, and had no problem reading the "challenging" sentence he put up in the video. Once more, the mythbusters/snopes mindset of denial fails.

tis erally juts a idstoriton of teh facst fo eth amtter. I deons't mtatre fi yuo splel veerythign rwogn.

Eevn berakign htis fisrt/lats letetr ruel, ti tsill wroks. Wiht lal wrods mipseleld.

One some people use word recognition. These people can read up to 400 WPM. Character recognition people are capped at around 160, whereas "Phrase Recognition" people can get up to 2000WPM.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 7:20 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
tis erally juts a idstoriton of teh facst fo eth amtter. I deons't mtatre fi yuo splel veerythign rwogn.

Eevn berakign htis fisrt/lats letetr ruel, ti tsill wroks. Wiht lal wrods mipseleld.

You didn't break it that often. Every word has at least one correct letter in either the first or last position. Or has only 2-3 letters to switch around, like "of" and "the."

It's like this. You leave enough intact that you only have to switch 2-3 letters around at a time, placed at the correct positions of the word.

berakign = b + "era" + ki + "gn"
rwogn = "rwo" + "ng"

It would be much harder to figure out if the words were written:

knrabegi or nwgor

Here is the bottom line:

1. Yes, the human mind can read transposed letters or missing letters much faster than one woudl imagine. Yes, unless we're in early grade school, we read whole wrods at a time, as long as the 2-3 letter chunks are in the right positions.

2. Being able to read transposed letters fairly quickly doesn't mean we can't read words even FASTER had letters NTO been transposed.

3. Spelling is not just about not being able to read mispelled werds. We can all read "alright" or "peaked my intarest" or "I hav to chilren." It is abowt folowing standerdized rooles for comunication that make interpretations THAT much faster.

4. Speling maters.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 8:01 AM

STORYMARK

When did spelling and grammar become interchangeable?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 4, 2011 8:50 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I don't have a problem with occasionally misspelled words, since I figure some of them are just typos which we all are guilty of at one time or another. It can also be that people have heard a word but never seen it in print and spell it the way it sounds to them.

However, I do have a problem with those who seem to be proud of the fact that they don't care about spelling or grammar.

The English language is like any other tool. It is more effective if used correctly.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 8:55 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
The English language is like any other tool. It is more effective if used correctly.

Bingo. Also, if it's never used properly in the first place, those misspelled words would be totally meaningless because they would lack the context of proper spelling.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 10:20 AM

KANEMAN

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Originally posted by Storymark:
When did spelling and grammar become interchangeable?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Around the same time it was decided you could be called a fag or gay. You homosexuals are way to knitt-picky.....butt, you are hilarious.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 1:56 PM

DREAMTROVE

CTS

If we scramble it too much, it becomes another word because english is full of anagrams. Bottom line: This is an inefficient language, it runs at about 40% efficiency, largely due to a preponderance of multisyllabic words and extraneous articles et al. Hence, our brain has plenty of time to unscramble, as long as there is no information loss.

If I say

your heart saw and understood

oury earth saw dan rounddtoes

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Friday, February 4, 2011 2:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Spelling never used to be standardised and people did okay. Shakespeare himself spelt his name in numerous ways and did not write in standardised spelling.

It matters, but it doesn't matter as much as we think it does.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Spelling never used to be standardised and people did okay. Shakespeare himself spelt his name in numerous ways and did not write in standardised spelling.

People didn't used to read that much, back in Shakespeare's day.

Yes, how much proper spelling makes a difference is a function of how much one reads. The more you read, the more spelling matters.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 3:33 PM

MINCINGBEAST

It doesn't matter, does it? In time we will all write in nothing but emoticons and acronyms. Grammar nazis will say things like "Billy, u noob 'lol' goes @ teh end of teh sentence lolololol."

A pox upon prescriptive grammar. The only folk who give a damn about it are schoolmarms. And also, assholes who have no other ways to demonstrate their smugness. Or people learning a new language.

Anyway, grammar nazis (and spelling faeries, who are delicious) suffer from the retarded notion that there is a single, correct English (or language in general) and that those who stray from it must be corrected. This is bullshit. A pox upon RP english.

There is no such thing as a spelling mistake or error in grammar--only instances of non-compliance with arbitrary rules that reflect people's cultural biases and experience. Following the arbitrary rules helps clarity of communication--deviation from it demonstrates less favored status.

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Friday, February 4, 2011 3:58 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Spelling never used to be standardised and people did okay. Shakespeare himself spelt his name in numerous ways and did not write in standardised spelling.

It matters, but it doesn't matter as much as we think it does.

Y'all remember the "Christmas Bomber", Cap'n Underpants? Yeah, he was on a no-fly list, only they misspelled his name.

Not that it matters.

Spelling and grammar are apparently interchangeable for Rappy because he's not capable of learning how to use either of them correctly.

This Space For Rent!

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Friday, February 4, 2011 8:00 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Spelling and grammar are apparently interchangeable for Rappy because he's not capable of learning how to use either of them correctly.

And there in lies my point. Took ya long enough. That you would harp on grammar and spelling over content of message only show me that you're of little ( if of any ) substance , what so ever.

I knew I could trust on you to waddle in w/ the lowest common denominator mentality.

Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house ( an SNL fabrication ) , but Barry's " 57 states " comment gets next to no ridicule .

Why?

Because , as his VP puts it....

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"

Conservatives are disconnected rubes, and Liberals are in touch, pensive, bright intellectuals who R E A L L Y have our best interests at heart.

Fuck anyone who drops an letter here or there during their message board chatter. Dismiss their point entirely should they dare to fail to communicate their words 100% accurately .....right ?

Any thing to gain a foothold on the persuasion war, huh? Because the Left's ideas are SOOO much more convincing, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:15 AM

Nah, you missed the point entirely. As usual.

I read about three "words" of your first post, and next to nothing of any of DT's garble, because if I have to work to decipher what the hell you're trying to say, it's not worth my time. If you can't be bothered to communicate effectively, it's a bit presumptuous of you to ask ME to be bothered to try to make sense of the word salad you post.

When I see these "tests", I skip 'em. Want to convince me that you're actually an intelligent human being with smart things to say? Show me that you're capable of learning the English language, and you've gone a long way to making your case. If you can't learn how to spell the word "intelligent", for example, after REPEATED tries and corrections, you've shown me that you aren't worth wasting my time trying to communicate with, because you aren't willing to even open your mind enough to allow the possibility that you can still learn something.

If you want to behave and communicate like the hill folk, feel free. Just stop trying to pretend that you're some kind of genius while you're doing it. A genius would have learned the proper use of "whatsoever" by now, as well as when to use "a" and "an". If you can't figure out the most basic rules of grammar and spelling - or even the difference between the two! - then clearly you are no genius.

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 5:42 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If you can't figure out the most basic rules of grammar and spelling - or even the difference between the two! - then clearly you are no genius.

In my own limited experience, everyone I personally consider "educated" and "intelligent" knows and uses correct grammar and spelling. Sure, everyone makes errors, but for the most part, they don't say things like, "you arguemnet don maks sens." Those geniuses I know with spelling disabilities use prosthetics like spell checker.

So, in addition to making me work harder at reading sentences like the above and slowing down reading speed and comprehension (imagine an entire page written like that), very bad spelling and grammar imply poor education in English, or perhaps even low intelligence. I've got nothing against people with low intelligence or a disadvantaged education. But in an argument, it can be distracting.

Having said that, I don't care for spelling or grammar policing, esp on informal discussion boards. We're here to share ideas, not to cross every t and dot every i. Or to speak in grammatically correct complete sentences. Or to make sure no one ever mispells or mistpyes a single word.

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 5:52 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Want to convince me that you're actually an intelligent human being with smart things to say? Show me that you're capable of learning the English language, and you've gone a long way to making your case.

As I said, you fail (again) to get the point.

It really is bewildering how you continue to be so oblivious.

I do see that you have some sort of inferiority complex. I never once claimed any sort of genius status, so I don't know where you're getting that idea. You're just so hung up on ad hominem attacks ( oops, was that too smarty pants for you ? ), personal insults, that you ignore the SUBSTANCE of the conversation. Likely because you're too rock stupid or stubborn in your views that you don't even want to be challenged, so instead, all you do is try to side track the issue, all together.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 6:30 AM

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I never once claimed any sort of genius status, so I don't know where you're getting that idea.

Couldn't possibly be from the number of times you call everyone else "rock stupid", could it? C'mon, anyone who disagrees with you is a moron, "a idiot" (your exact words), "too stupid to talk to", brainless, retard, dumb ass, etc.

So you don't consider yourself any kind of genius - you just consider everybody who disagrees with you to be a retard.

Good to know. Just so we're clear, you're NOT claiming superior intelligence, right?

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You're just so hung up on... personal insults...

Likely because you're too rock stupid...

CLASSIC!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 6:48 AM

America loves a winner!

Make a coherent point, and counter what someone says, relating to the issue, instead of insulting their intelligence. Seems to be too much to ask of you.

Naturally, you omit part of my sentence, ...

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....that you ignore the SUBSTANCE of the conversation

As you are so prone to do... but if you didn't do that, you'd have nothing to say at all.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 6:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, when you say people spend too much time insulting others and then you go on to insult others... well, really.

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 6:59 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, when you say people spend too much time insulting others and then you go on to insult others... well, really.

And I insulted no one in the prior post, which makes your claim all the more moot.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 7:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Okay, so let me address the issue about spelling... the example you gave is irrelevant. First of all, it wasn't about grammar it was about spelling. Secondly... have you ever tried those word unscramblers? They can take a five-letter word and scramble it so that it would take me ten minutes to figure out. So, spelling CAN be scrambled to the point where words are unrecognizable.

However, I do have uh bohn too pik with Inglish speling. Beeing uh mix uv German and French and Greek and Latin it haz abowt fiyv difurent speling roolz. Kan we mayk it fohnetik?

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 7:54 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, when you say people spend too much time insulting others and then you go on to insult others... well, really.

... to which he responds that he "insulted no one" in his previous post, which contained this nugget:

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Make a coherent point, and counter what someone says, relating to the issue, instead of insulting their intelligence. Seems to be too much to ask of you.

Now really, how could ANYONE see that as an insult? ;)

I particularly loved this post of his, especially in light of his later accusations of "ad hominem" personal attacks:

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And there in lies my point. Took ya long enough. That you would harp on grammar and spelling over content of message only show me that you're of little ( if of any ) substance , what so ever.

I knew I could trust on you to waddle in w/ the lowest common denominator mentality.

Personal insult, check.

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Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house ( an SNL fabrication ) , but Barry's " 57 states " comment gets next to no ridicule .

Why?

Because , as his VP puts it....

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"

Strawman, check. Quick! Look over there!

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Conservatives are disconnected rubes, and Liberals are in touch, pensive, bright intellectuals who R E A L L Y have our best interests at heart.

Fuck anyone who drops an letter here or there during their message board chatter. Dismiss their point entirely should they dare to fail to communicate their words 100% accurately .....right ?

Any thing to gain a foothold on the persuasion war, huh? Because the Left's ideas are SOOO much more convincing, huh?

A far reach here - equivocation, ad hominem, AND strawman.

Rappy, this is you in a nutshell. You have nothing of substance to offer, so you resort to insult. You and Wulf constantly demonize "the Left" as a single entity - anything one liberal does, they're all guilty of. And then you come simpering in here, whining about the fact that you have deplorable communicative abilities, but you feel that you shouldn't be held to account for them.

Remember when we were discussing Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and I made the mistake of referring to Al Qaeda as "him", when I meant to refer to Bin Laden that way? You seized on it for days - literally DAYS - and couldn't talk of anything else. You had nothing of substance to offer in the discussion, just a nit-pick at my gaffe.

Odd that YOU would be offended by anyone doing the same to you.

Hey, if I screw up, have a ball. But don't whine when you're hanged with the same rope. It's disingenuous, and petty, and should be beneath you.

Of course, the irony of the original post wasn't lost on me, either. You started a whole thread about "grammar nazis" just to try to lure them out so you could whinge about them pointing out your atrocious command of the English language (a language I've little doubt you'd LOVE to be made by law the "official" language of the U.S.A.). So you start a thread to complain about grammar nazis, and you mangle the title ("nazis" should be capitalized, and the ellipsis is THREE periods, not four, not five, not nine, but THREE), and you probably still have no idea why people think you're an idiot and a troll.

I do believe your inferiority complex is showing. ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 8:07 AM

America loves a winner!

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... to which he responds that he "insulted no one" in his previous post, which contained this nugget:

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Make a coherent point, and counter what someone says, relating to the issue, instead of insulting their intelligence. Seems to be too much to ask of you.

Now really, how could ANYONE see that as an insult? ;)

It wasn't in any way an insult. It was an objective assessment of the plain facts. That you don't like the truth or that it hurts your feelings doesn't make it an " insult ".

There was no "straw man" deception by my part, what so ever. It was a very legitimate analysis of how the MSM treats Right and Left wing personalities. And the same goes on here, as well.

And Kwickie, this is a message board. Not some peer reviewed technical journal, so your hyper obsession on grammar and spelling more and more proves my point.

You use meaningless issues like capitalization of NAZI to avoid dealing w/ the SUBSTANCE of the issues being discussed. You've done in it time and time again, in this very thread, as a means to interject personal insult and dismiss any and everything which is said by those with whom you disagree.

It's like you're too scared to even deal w/ an issue, so instead, you inflate the smallest infraction or error, and make THAT the focus of attention. You hope to dear god that you then aren't forced to actually THINK about anything of substance. It appears to be something pathological in your make up.

It's sad, really.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 8:49 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Seems to be too much to ask of you.

It wasn't in any way an insult. It was an objective assessment of the plain facts. That you don't like the truth or that it hurts your feelings doesn't make it an " insult ".

Again with the personal insults. "You don't like the truth"; "it hurts your feelings". You have no basis for such claims, yet you still sling such insults around as if they were "fact". You have no concept of "facts", as you've so often shown here for all to see.

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And Kwickie, this is a message board. Not some peer reviewed technical journal, so your hyper obsession on grammar and spelling more and more proves my point.

Who went on for weeks and weeks about some alleged single word that I left out of a post, or added in, or whatever crazy-ass thing you imagined I did? Wouldn't you call that "obsession" about grammar? Oh - of course you wouldn't. Not when YOU do it. That's different. It always is with you, isn't it?

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You use meaningless issues...

It's like you're too scared...

you inflate the smallest infraction or error...

You hope to dear god that you then aren't forced to actually THINK about anything...

It appears to be something pathological in your make up...

It's sad, really...

Nope, not a single personal insult in any of that, is there?

You keep whinging about "the SUBSTANCE" of an issue or thread, and what you can't see is that there IS NO SUBSTANCE to this thread. In fact, I can't really think of a single thing you've ever posted that had any real substance. Your entire worldview comes down to "Librul bad/GOP gud".

Sorry, but that's not "substance". It's repetition and regurgitation. And it's BORING. You're boring. I find you to be stupid, insipid, small, narrow-minded, and (worst of all) boring.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 9:51 AM