I think this is an interesting phenomenon which has been mentioned, but not gone into in detail, in other places:[quote]The year of the revolutions began..."/>

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Why there's no turning back in the Middle East

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Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I think this is an interesting phenomenon which has been mentioned, but not gone into in detail, in other places:
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The year of the revolutions began in January, in a small country of little importance. Then the protests spread to the region's largest and most important state, toppling a regime that had seemed firmly entrenched. The effect was far-reaching. The air was filled with talk of liberty and freedom. Street protests cropped up everywhere, challenging the rule of autocrats and monarchs, who watched from their palaces with fear.

That could be a description of events in Tunisia and Egypt as those countries' peaceful revolutions have inspired and galvanized people across the Middle East. In fact, it refers to popular uprisings 162 years earlier that began in Sicily and France. The revolutions of 1848, as they were called, were remarkably similar in mood to what is happening right now in the Middle East. (They were dubbed the springtime of peoples by historians at the time.) The backdrop then, as now, was a recession and rising food prices. The monarchies were old and sclerotic. The young were in the forefront. New information technologies — mass newspapers! — connected the crowds.


Except that the story didn't end so well. The protesters gained power but then splintered, fought one another and weakened themselves. The military stayed loyal to the old order and cracked down on protests. The monarchs waited things out, and within a few years, the old regimes had reconstituted themselves. "History reached its turning point, and failed to turn," wrote the British historian A.J.P. Taylor.

Will history fail to turn in the Middle East? Will these protests in Yemen, Bahrain, Jordan and beyond peter out, and in a few years, will we look back at 2011 and realize that very little actually changed? It's certainly possible, but there are two fundamental reasons the tensions that have been let loose in the Middle East over the past few weeks are unlikely to disappear, and they encompass two of the most powerful forces changing the world today: youth and technology.


The central, underlying feature of the Middle East's crisis is a massive youth bulge. About 60% of the region's population is under 30. These millions of young people have aspirations that need to be fulfilled, and the regimes in place right now show little ability to do so. The protesters' demands have been dismissed by the regimes as being for Islamic fundamentalism or a product of Western interference. But plainly these are homegrown protests that have often made the West uneasy as they have shaken up old alliances. And what the protesters want in the first place is to be treated as citizens, not subjects. In a recent survey of Middle Eastern youth, the No. 1 wish of the young in nine countries was to live in a free country, although, to be sure, jobs and the desire to live in well-run, modern societies ranked very high as well.

Young people are not always a source of violence. The West experienced a demographic bulge — the famous baby boom in the decades after World War II — that is known mainly for fueling economic growth. China and India, likewise, have a large cohort of young workers, and that adds to those countries' economic strength. But without economic growth, job opportunities and a sense of dignity, too many young people — especially young men — can make for mass discontent. That is what has happened in the Middle East, where the scale of the youth bulge is extreme — perhaps the largest in the world right now. From 1970 to 2007, 80% of all outbreaks of conflict occurred in countries where 60% or more of the population was younger than 30. And even places where the baby boom produced growth are not without problems. The peak years of the West's bulge came in the late 1960s, a period associated with youth rebellions and mass protests.


Of course, the state can fight back. The Egyptian government managed to shut down Egyptians' access to the Internet for five days. The Iranian regime closed down cell-phone service at the height of the green movement's protests in 2009. But think of the costs of such moves. Can banks run when the Internet is down? Can commerce expand when cell phones are demobilized? Syria has only now opened access to Facebook, but its basic approach remains to keep the world tightly at bay — which is a major obstacle to economic growth and to tackling that vital problem of youth unemployment. North Korea can stay stable as long as it stays utterly stagnant. (And that stability is for the short term anyway.) For regimes that need or want to respond to the aspirations of their people, openness becomes an economic and political necessity.

The modernizing imperative — societies need to embrace more openness to make progress — is why I am allowing myself to be optimistic about the progress of the youth revolutions. It's easy to be disappointed when looking at the Middle East's sad recent history. And yet something in the region feels as if it is changing. Warren Buffett once said that when anyone tells him, "This time it's different," he reaches for his wallet because he fears he's going to be swindled. Well, I have a feeling that this time in the Middle East, it's different. But I have my hand on my wallet anyway.

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I think it's an interesting take on what's happening, and an appropriate one. Given it's usually college students and "youth" who believe they can change the world, whether this settles down without further changes because of the crackdowns, or continues and brings real, major change in the Mideast, depends on how violent the regimes are willing to get and how determined this "youth bulge" is.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

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As I always say time will tell. I found it interesting to compare this to events in history. I love history and it is true that we can learn from it, regarding what to do, what not to do, what might happen if things continue on a similar trejectory etc.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:41 PM

DREAMTROVE


I have more fear than hope at the moment. Suleiman is in charge of Egypt. That's not a step up. It's a military dictatorship run by the pioneer of "extraordinary rendition" aka "outsourcing torture." Maybe this is a trick to make the people not question the rather unobjectionable Baradei, but I don't think so, I think someone plans to keep Suleiman there. I suspect the people will revolt again, and next time there will be a fair amount of bloodshed.

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Friday, February 18, 2011 7:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm worried for them, too, DT, and even moreso for those protesting in countries where there already has been bloodshed and will be MUCH more. I'm holding out hope that the military saw just how serious they were this time and is going to behave itself (mostly...). Given their army itself is loth to impose violent measures, the higher-up military would have to put them at odds again to stifle things completely.

As we all say, only time will tell. But I'm impressed by this outpouring of young people, as well as how they've galvanized the rest of the population in their countries. Would be nice if something good came out of it for them all.

As to learning from history, I'm afraid I have little faith in humans being able to do so...I haven't seen a lot of evidence to show otherwise...


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Friday, February 18, 2011 7:54 AM

DREAMTROVE


Niki

Agreed.

One of the things that happened in the Green Revolution was the revolutionaries themselves were misinformed, and the most tragic piece of information was that America had their back, which of course we didn't.

It's worth noting that in Iran the majority of young people actually support the current govt, because of the stance on education. But young people should riot, and let TPTB know they're not going to take it, but they should also do so carefully. Assess whether or not there is any chance of success before proceeding, also, what the govt.'s likely reaction will be.

I agree that Suleiman is not going to last very long, he's a puppet dictator ruling a country which seems to hate him. As long as the money pours in from overseas and the army will go out an kill for him, he stays, but eventually it will come to a sticky end.

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