Nutcase union supporter / Left wing thugette charged for making death threats. by AURaptor

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I am sure the only people less rational and crazier than union workers are muslim terrorists.

"I hope you have a good time in hell," she allegedly wrote in the lengthy email that listed scenarios in which the legislators and their families would die, including bombings and by "putting a nice little bullet in your head."

All she left off was Allah Akbar!!

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 1:55 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Was she hired by Scott Walker? This is exactly what his supporters suggested he stage to gain sympathy.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 2:03 AM

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Yeah, after the fact. And then he was fired. Kinda screws up your timeline there, huh?

Not that details ever worry you.

"Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary."- Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.)

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 8:01 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I've been away awhile, busy at work here in Green Bay. All while our potheads in Madison (plus Obama's imported crazies from Chicago) are ranting away. But still there is a relevant thread here, thanks AuRaptor - and I hope you guys kept the forum up to date lately.
Of course, Madison is the only city in the state where Pot is legal.

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 9:24 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, for heaven's sake...shall we counter with ALL the right-wingers who've threatened Dems with death? How absurd; there are crazies everywhere, they are not limited to any one party, and people are furious with this attack on the working man. There are bound to be those who take it over the line...but as yet, they haven't actually harmed (that I know of) orKILLED anyone, so they're not in the same catgory as the right-wing abortion foes.

Shall we post about the woman who had her head stepped on by one of Wisconsin's "thugs"? Or all the Democrats who got horrific death threats over the health-care issue? There are so many examples, why bother?

To point out what nutwings on one side or the other has threatened is nonsense; there are crazy people everywhere, even in Congress! Most of them are cowards who threaten and do nothing, so it's a waste of time.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 10:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oh wait - You were blaming all this on UNIONS. At first you claimed that it was a UNION stooge - a UNION thug - someone who was acting under orders of a UNION.

Now your post doesn't even mention whether or not she was a union member, let alone a union employee, let alone acting under orders of a union - any union.

So, care to admit you were WRONG? Because UNIONS aren't to blame for this.

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh wait - You were blaming all this on UNIONS. At first you claimed that it was a union stooge - a union thug - someone who was acting under orders of a union. Now your post doesn't even mention whether or not she was a union member, let alone a union employee, let alone acting under orders of a union - any union.

So, care to admit you were WRONG?

How can I ? There's no evidence to suggest I am.

District Attorney Charges Wisconsin Woman In Threatening Repubs With Death – Doesn’t Tell Us Who She Really Is

..(I)f you want a look at the actual criminal complaint, wherein you would expect to find some real meat and potatoes of the investigation, you can read this one. It’s about putting bullets in legislators’ brains and bombs in their cars - and killing their families – pretty standard leftist political stuff.

I spent twenty years in Colorado law enforcement work of one kind or another, including patrol operations, supervision, investigations and detentions – followed by two years with the Colorado State Public Defender’s Office as an investigator.

Any cop who did basic criminal investigations and studied Report-Writing 101 in the police academy will tell you that a complete criminal complaint includes the who, what, where, when, how and why of the crime. Now, I’ve looked at both of these reports and I’ll be darned if I can find anything in them that tells us who Katherine Windels is, other than that she is a twenty-six year old female from Cross Plains, Wisconsin.

http://work949.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/district-attorney-charges-wisc
onsin-woman-in-threatening-repubs-with-death-doesnt-tell-us-who-she-really-is/

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"There's no evidence to suggest I am."

try here:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=47817

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"There's no evidence to suggest I am."

try here:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=47817

Try here what ?

3 pages of replies , none of which answers the question as to who this lady was. The last post was dated March 18, 2 weeks before the e-mailer was charged.

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:26 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, gee whiz, if it doesn't say anywhere that she was part of a union, then saying she was IS wrong. You'll have to show facts to prove your point, which apparently you don't choose to or can't.

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putting bullets in legislators’ brains and bombs in their cars - and killing their families – pretty standard leftist political stuff

That eliminates your entire point, as first of all, it's obviously slanted, and second of all, it doesn't say "threats to"...as far as I know, no "leftist" has put bullets in legislators' brains, bombs in their cars or killing their families.

On the other hand, RIGHTISTS actually have put bullets in peoplel's brains and committed other acts of violence.

Note Jim Adkisson, who shot up a Unitarian church, killing two, because he hated liberals and gays.

Scott Roeder, the Kansas resident who murdered Dr. George Tiller at church because he was an anti-abortion fanatic with ties to, hey, a right-wing extremist group.

James Von Brunn, the White Supremacist who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

How about the MoveOn worker who was stomped to the ground and given a concussion by Rand Paul supporters?

Or Byron Williams, who was stopped by California Highway Patrol and engaged in a shootout with law enforcement? He later said he planned to murder individuals at the Tides Foundation and ACLU and his mother said he was angry about "Congress railroading through all these left-wing agenda items."

Then there's the envelope containing "a plastic bag of white powder and two pieces of paper with swastikas written on them" that was mailed to Rep. Raul Grijalva's (D-AZ) campaign office.

Or hey, the gas line that was cut outside the house of Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-VA) brother's house after the address was erroneously posted online by a Tea Party blogger who invited activists to descend on the house.

Or the other package with white powder and an angry letter that referenced the health care legislation that was sent to Congressman Weiner's Kew Gardens office.

And of course there's Gabrielle Gifford, who had been the target of often incendiary rhetoric from the Tea Party and was shot in the head at a political gathering of her constituents.
Threats from both angry crazies on both sides are a common occurrence on either side. ACTUAL violence seems to be coming more from the right than the left. You can't prove this woman was connected to the union. Given the fact that STAGING such a thing was suggested as a way to win sympathy and there's no information about her to disprove it, how can we even know if this WASN'T staged by a supporter of Walker or some other right winger?

This thread is bullshit. "Pretty standard leftist political stuff" is a blatant lie. It's actually RIGHTISTS who have put bullets in legislator's brains and came the closest to harming one legislator's family. Oh, yeah, and when it comes to bombs, how about Timothy McVeigh? Or his follower Jack Maxwell Oliphant, a white supremacist who spent four years in prison for a right-wing bombing plot.

Shall we go on?

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:38 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Irrelevant given that threats have flown back and forth, probably since the beginning of the government, the complaint ( http://westlawnews.thomson.com/uploadedFiles/National_Litigation/Legal
_Materials/Court_Filings/2011/04_-_April/Katherine%20Windels%20complaint_3-31-11.pdf ) doesn't say if she was affiliated with any union or not, it's true. However, she was a teacher and said in her threats that "me and the people I work with", so the likelihood is that she was a union member. That in no way proves that the union was behind any of this, nor that she's a "union thug". Like I said, it's irrelevant, given that equally terrible death threats were sent to virtually every Democrat in Congress and the Senate around the health care issue, and, once again, crazies from both sides have sent myriad death threats to those on the other side.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 12:14 PM

Hey, nowhere does it say the guy who suggested Walker use this exact tactic DOESN'T work for him and DIDN'T get paid by him to set this stunt up, so I can't be wrong if I suggest such a thing, right?

Rappy, you are so full of FAIL it's pathetic.

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 12:31 PM

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Stop trolling my threads, dude.

The 'guy' doesn't work for Walker, he was an INDIANA deputy prosecutor. ( Indiana is a different state than Wisconsin, FYI )

He didn't set up this stunt, and the girl, and those she works with, supports or belong to the unions.

Pretty open and shut case, actually.

Video: Far left loons on twitter issue death threats against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2011/02/20/video-far-left-loons-on-t
witter-issue-death-threats-against-wisconsin-governor-scott-walker/

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 4:12 PM

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He didn't set up this stunt, and the girl was ( and those she worked with ) are union supporters and / or members.

She was are?

Again, you FAIL.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 7:16 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

If you're going to commit a crime (like writing dirty death threat emails) then you need to be willing to pay the consequences. I think its pretty simple, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

I find the use of the word Fail on this board perplexing. Fail is a verb, but I always see people here using it as a noun, as in "that was an epic fail". Is this a new thing in society to use this word in this manner? Or am I just woefully out of date.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, April 3, 2011 8:41 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
If you're going to commit a crime (like writing dirty death threat emails) then you need to be willing to pay the consequences. I think its pretty simple, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

I find the use of the word Fail on this board perplexing. Fail is a verb, but I always see people here using it as a noun, as in "that was an epic fail". Is this a new thing in society to use this word in this manner? Or am I just woefully out of date.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

Sad to be the one to tell you this, woefully out of date wins this round.

FAIL entered into english through enrish, like so many neologism, by way of a japanese videogame in 1998. In 2003, it went mainstream, (really? I thought it was before that.) Epic Fail is dated to 2006.

There are other variations, such as "shipment of fail" and is "your shipment of fail has arrived" and "made of fail" which is the opposite of "made of win" (you would not say "made of lose")

On Saturday, August 30, 2008 at 05:24 AM, Anthony T posted "EPIC FAIL" to Fireflyfans, the first appearance of epic fail here.

FAIL is in caps, and it's what you get when you fail, in lower case letters. It's an internet meme.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:52 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Stop trolling my threads, dude.

The 'guy' doesn't work for Walker, he was an INDIANA deputy prosecutor. ( Indiana is a different state than Wisconsin, FYI )

I'm fair sure you just sailed waaaay over Kwicko's head with that one, that's far too aligned with reality for him to absorb. Even if he wasn't already derailed, that sort of logic will not overcome him.

Of course, they are geographically kinda close - almost only seperated by Chicago.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 4:24 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

She was are?

Again, you FAIL.

So, you'll comment on my proof reading ,but not the issue at hand?

Wow.

She said her and her co-workers support the unions. Not sure if she's an actual MEMBER of a union, but judging from the signs at the Madison sit in, and the way some reporters were treated by those 'union types', and add to the fact that unions engaged in overt threats of businesses, which is despicable if not illegal.

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After failing to intimidate lawmakers with protests and threats into backing down on the budget-repair bill reining in the collective-bargaining privileges of government employees, unions in Wisconsin sent out letters promising potentially illegal boycotts and attacks against businesses in the state that refuse to publicly support their demands.

In a letter obtained by The New American sent to companies in Wisconsin, a coalition of government-employee unions inform businesses that if they do not publicly oppose Republican efforts, they will be boycotted. If they join the battle on behalf of union bosses, however, good things will happen.

“The undersigned [coalition of government unions] would like your company to publicly oppose Governor Walker’s efforts to virtually eliminate collective bargaining for public employees in Wisconsin,” reads one of the letters obtained by The New American. If the company doesn’t respond within a week, the letter informs the recipient that unions “will assume” the firm stands with Gov. Walker.

“In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining, please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the goods and services provided by your company,” the document continues. But if the firm gives in and joins, the unions promise to “publicly celebrate” the partnership. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/6957-wisconsin-unions-th
reaten-businesses

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Monday, April 4, 2011 6:21 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Not sure if she's an actual MEMBER of a union

SO anyway, I noticed that the dozen or so examples of right-wing violence went right past Rappy. He's too busy looking at the mote in every elses' eyes to notice the log in his own. But, that IS classic Rappy.

Keep it up, dude! Why let reality intrude into the little world in your head? Don't break your delusional streak now! GO TEAM!

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Monday, April 4, 2011 6:35 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Sig, they didn't go right past Raptor, he deliberately ignored them. By now you're used to that typical tactic of his, that when facts are presented which don't jibe with his chosen view, and he can't find a way to refute, rationalize or explain them, he ignores them and goes right on making stupid statements. No surprise there, but good of you to point it out. I was wondering why nobody AT ALL had anything to say about the deliberate assininity of saying those tactics were "leftist" in the face of ACTUAL violence and the myriad death threats to Democrats, but I didn't really expect Raptor, JS, Kane, etc. to be the ones remarking on it, and I wasn't surprised..

JSF, the fact that someone--anyone--made the suggestion is telling in and of itself. It could have come from a thousand miles away, and that makes no difference whatsoever. Since when have idiots on either side, wherever they're "from" been unable to make suggestions which can be utilized by those willing to play dirty? I assume you're saying that only someone in Wisconsin should be held accountable for suggesting a deliberate fraud, but that's ridiculous. The fact that anyone can suggest something illegal and fraudulent which someone else might act on must have sailed right over YOUR head, apparently.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, April 4, 2011 7:27 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, I've been kinda busy, but I would like you to read what I'm about to write, and try to follow along.

You have posted many examples of jihadists, and how they go berserk over anyone dissing their religion. (The current Q'uran-burning riots in Afghanistan are a case in point.) You quite rightly ascribe their terrorism to their religion, or at least to an interpretation of their religion which advocates violent conversion to Islam if possible and "death to the infidel" if not. This message is played out over and over in madrassas everywhere, in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Somalia and Indonesia. And while most Muslims don't actually pick up a missile launcher or build an IED, it is clear that quite a few do. In other words, religious leaders who constantly rant about evil infidels will cause at least SOME people to take up arms.

When someone "on the left" acts violently or even threateningly, you have no problem ascribing their actions to an entire group of people. In other words, you admit in your own assumptions that extreme words can beget violent action, that the actions of an individual can be traced back to a group's world view and propaganda.

And you believe this is wrong and should be stopped. That "they" should never threaten anyone because that is "terrorism" and interferes with your right to life and certainly your peace of mind.

But when it comes to violence by the right, it's never the right-wing's responsibility and it's never "wrong". It's always some "lone nutter" who "misunderstood" or "took it too far" or was "just plain crazy". Never mind that this person was listening to Glen Beck threatening to kill Michael Moore - which in Beck's mind is a perfectly acceptable action and doesn't fall under the banner of "terrorism". So all of those criminals on the right are not terrorists because (1) the right-wing bears no responsibility for the actions of individuals- despite having advocated violence morning, noon, and night and (2) violence is acceptable in the cause of a "good" belief.

So using YOUR arguments, Islam is not responsible for jihadism because these terrorists are just nutters who are taking the message of Islam too far, and in any case violence in defense of a good cause is justifiable.

This doesn't address what is driving you, and what is driving you is FEAR. But try to turn down the fear long enough to hear yourself for a change. Because when you say (or even think) That's different the fact is.. it's not.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 8:14 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Excellent. Thank you. Don't expect a rational response, tho'.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, April 4, 2011 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Excellent. Thank you. Don't expect a rational response, tho'.

When it comes to Rappy and JSF, nobody here expects a rational response. Frem outed JSF as Rappy's sockpuppet years back, and Rappy only brings him out now when he's really getting his ass kicked here on RWED. It's a pattern you'll notice if you watch closely.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Not sure if she's an actual MEMBER of a union
SO anyway, I noticed that the dozen or so examples of right-wing violence went right past Rappy. He's too busy looking at the mote in every elses' eyes to notice the log in his own. But, that IS classic Rappy.

Irrelevant to the issue I brought up, so yes. You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with by running off to dig up completely unrelated issues. Sorry. It don't work that way.

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When it comes to Rappy and JSF, nobody here expects a rational response. Frem outed JSF as Rappy's sockpuppet years back, and Rappy only brings him out now when he's really getting his ass kicked here on RWED. It's a pattern you'll notice if you watch closely.

So, in your mind, making a baseless charge equates to ' outing ' ? I have no 'sockpuppets', and your sad claim that I do is likely nothing more than an admission that you yourself DO engage in sockpuppetry, and/or a lame attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees w/ you. It's all you have. Attack the person, try to discredit the individual, and ignore the substance of the debate.

So fucking predictable.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:13 PM

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You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with

Well, who IS she "affiliated with"? The right wing was quick to excuse Jared Laughner as a lone nut case, so maybe she is too. The difference is, he actually shot and killed people, while she wrote a letter.

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Irrelevant to the issue I brought up

Again: What IS "the issue" that you brought up? It was my understanding that you were trying to convince people what was she was horrible, inexcusable. But then, you make excuses for exactly the same (or worse) behavior by right-wingers. So either her behavior is wrong.... and so is the behavior of right-wingers doing the same things... or it's not. How do expect to convince us of your argument if you aren't consistent with it?

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:28 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with
Well, who IS she "affiliated with"? The right wing was quick to excuse Jared Laughner as a lone nut case, so maybe she is too. The difference is, he actually shot and killed people, while she wrote a letter.

She's a teacher, in Wisconsin. She said her and her co-workes... did you miss all that ?

Laughner... ? There you go again. Snatching a name out of thin air which has zero to do w/ the " right ". He WAS a lone nut case. And no one EXCUSED anything he did. You idiots on the Left were the only ones quick to try to associate him w/ anything, like the TEA party. As well as Sarah Palin's 'gun sites' , which has absolutely zero to do with anything.

Again, you never worry about facts, do you ?

I believe Laughner made threats too, before he shot and killed innocent people...even before there WAS a TEA party movement !

epic FAIL!

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:31 PM

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She said

And I'm the Queen of the Nazijewishcommierussianbritishconspiracy. There. I said it. Must be so!

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:41 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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She said
And I'm the Queen of the Nazijewishcommierussianbritishconspiracy. There. I said it. Must be so!

What's that even suppose to mean, anyways?

Weird.

She said ... " I and the group of people that are working with me have decided we've had enough ".

Her words. Now, you go and twist them, as you like. Seems you make of it what you will, no matter what.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:47 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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She said her and her co-workes..

You must be simple then, because everyone else has figured it out. Oh, and BTW it's "SHE and her co-workers"

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Monday, April 4, 2011 3:49 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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She said her and her co-workes..
You must be simple then, because everyone else has figured it out. Oh, and BTW it's "SHE and her co-workers"

What's that suppose to mean?

Have the cops figured it out too ? Oh, do enlighten us all.

Read the report, and the letter, if you're brave enough....
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2011/04/katherine-windels-c
riminal-complaint.php?page=2

( And I'll overlook your typo if you look past any grammatical errors. , k ? )

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, April 4, 2011 4:53 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

Anyone else used to think 'union' was pronounced 'onion' when they were little?

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Monday, April 4, 2011 6:17 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I didn't Happy, but I can see how little kids would. I learnt about unions from my dad's experiences before I read about them, but I can definitely see a lil' kid thinking that.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, April 4, 2011 6:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, I read the report and (apparently!) unlike you I understood what was written. The part about any sort of conspiracy is crucially based on what this woman said. In other words, whatever sort of "affiliation" you wish to read into it is based on a statement which may be 99% balderdash. To put it in yet another way (in hopes that you will understand the point) just because the woman says that other people were involved, agreed with, or even knew about the email doesn't make it so.

Predictably, though, you misunderstood my point, which had nothing to do with affiliations and everything to do with using a fixed set of rules to judge behavior.

Can we possibly agree that whether one is a jihadist, a union thugette, a right-wing vigilante, the President of the United States, or the Chairman of the Politburo, threatening other people with violence in order to attain your political ends is WRONG?

Or is that too slippery an idea? Because as simple as that idea seems to me, it has eluded you for... oh, at least since you've been posting here.

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Monday, April 4, 2011 11:54 PM

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Sigy,

You're really traveling a long way around the mountain to get to no real particular point. It's not that I didn't understand ( love the way you typically try to turn any of this onto a personal insult onto me ) it's just that your point had no real merit to the conversation , at all.

Look at the tittle of the thread, as I posted it from the beginning....

"NUTCASE union supporter / Left wing thugette charged for making death threats."

I didn't say " every day, average Union supporter", but started OFF by stating this woman was a nut case.

Or is that something YOU missed ?

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:44 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with...

According to you, I can!

If she's a nutcase- as you said- what she said about "she and her fellow co-workers"... all of that is suspect, right? We can just delete that from your post, and it wouldn't change the meaning? So change your title to "Nutcase threatens politicians" and remove all reference to teachers or other co-workers (prolly innocent bystanders) and be clearer about what you mean, instead of bringing in extraneous points, and you won't get extraneous responses. Thank you.

Let's get to the point about what is and what isn't acceptable behavior.

According to you, if anti-governor demonstrators had been openly carrying guns that would be OK. Because they were simply exercising their 2nd Amendment rights to make their voices heard by a bunch of dirty politicians who weren't listening to the voice of the people. Right? So carrying guns is OK.

And shouting down a politician is OK.

And demonstrating is OK.

So far, so good?

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:52 AM

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You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with...

So you agree with me that the guy in Indiana is indicative of a larger, widespread problem within the GOP, right? After all, he is a Republican, appointed by Republicans, and he's suggesting false-flag ops be instituted by Republicans. By your own words, that means that all Republicans should be associated with his words and actions, because he in a larger sense represents all of them.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:01 AM

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You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with...
According to you, I can!

If she's a nutcase- as you said- what she said about "she and her fellow co-workers"... all of that is suspect, right? We can just delete that from your post, and it wouldn't change the meaning? So change your title to "Nutcase threatens politicians" and remove all reference to teachers or other co-workers (prolly innocent bystanders) and be clearer about what you mean, instead of bringing in extraneous points, and you won't get extraneous responses. Thank you.

Let's get to the point about what is and what isn't acceptable behavior.

According to you, if anti-governor demonstrators had been openly carrying guns that would be OK. Because they were simply exercising their 2nd Amendment rights to make their voices heard by a bunch of dirty politicians who weren't listening to the voice of the people. Right? So carrying guns is OK.

And shouting down a politician is OK.

And demonstrating is OK.

So far, so good?

Or at the very least, Rappy should retitle this thread "Nutcase GOP supporter / Right wing thugette fired."

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/540158/indiana_official_r
esigns_after_advising_scott_walker_to_stage_phony_violent_attack_by_union_supporters/

Actually, that should be plural - thugetteS - since there's been more than one of these nutters, and since they've claimed to represent the GOP.

Hey, we can't dismiss what they claim, right? So there IS widespread GOP support for murdering union members and staging false-flag operations!

Of course, it's unlikely that Carlos Lam will be charged for his part in this. He is, after all, a prosecutor. Lying is what he gets paid to do and just part of the job, according to the Supreme Court. "Hero" should be so proud...

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 6:51 AM

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She's a nutcase, true. But she's a lefty, and the leftists have a history of violence

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 7:09 AM

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She's a nutcase, true. But she's a lefty, and the leftists have a history of violence

Drawfed only by the violence from the loony right.

Oh, right, pointing that stuff out isn't welcome in one of your teabagger circle jerk threads. I forgot.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 7:26 AM

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Our current resident in the WH is friends with an actual terrorist. Doesn't get more " real " than that right there.

You can try to deflect all day long, but all you do is continue to fail.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 7:47 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Irrelevant to the issue I brought up, so yes. You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with by running off to dig up completely unrelated issues. Sorry. It don't work that way.

There you go, hypocrisy at work. I was arguing against the concept that violence is a “liberal” thing by pointing out that violence on the right is evident aplenty. NOBODY here has said anything, that I’m aware of, which “dismisses” what this woman did, only the claim that she’s a “union thug” and that threats and violence, etc., are a “typical liberal tactic”

Hee, hee, hee, I find it amusing that Raptor says making the charge that he has a sickpuppy shows that Mike himself has sickpupppies. There is no connection whatsoever, but in his mind, that’s how it works.

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either her behavior is wrong.... and so is the behavior of right-wingers doing the same things... or it's not.

Excellent. Unless and until Raptor addresses the fact that there has been actual, prosecuted violence perpetrated by the right, his accusations are baseless. There is no way to prove she’s part of any liberal conspiracy, whereas the violence posted here is by people who have been PROVEN to be of the right-wing mentality.

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She's a teacher, in Wisconsin. She said her and her co-workes(sic)... did you miss all that?

That in no way condemns unions; even if she is a member of a teacher’s union, she acted alone—she said she and her co-workers “have decided we’ve had enough”; that in no way says she and her co-workers were making the threats, or that the union was making the threats, or that the LEFT was making the threats: only her.

Laugher has been tied to the doctrine as promulgated by Jared Taylor, editor and chief of the American Renaissance, a known racist organization. (that from FAUX NEWS). He wrote:

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In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications [sic; he seems to mean amendments]; The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!

His mistrust of the “current” government doesn’t make him sound like a liberal and the gold-and-silver thing are both frequent statements from the right. So there is more evidence that he was right-wing than there is that he’s left-wing, whereas there is no EVIDENCE the teacher was a “union thug”. If you want to dismiss Laughner, go ahead; how about all the others who have perpetrated violence and made STATEMENTS that they were right-wing extremists?

NOBODY is saying she’s not a nutcase, but your title “Left wing thugette” is what we’re refuting. You’re so busy rationalizing, attacking and trying to defend your statement that you’re completely ignoring the issue at hand. The ISSUE is not whether what she did was wrong, we all agree on that; the ISSUE is that she somehow represents left-wing “violence”...when there was no actual violence and I’ve shown clearly that violence is NOT the purvey of the left, there are far more CURRENT instances of actual right-wing violence, and threats are made from both sides. You’re trying to use her to tar the left, and “But she's a lefty, and the leftists have a history of violence” flies in the face of the numerous examples of RIGHTIST violence.

I love how you won’t address that except to argue the point about Laughner and make other absurd cracks, that you want to use her to make blanket statements about left-wing violence, yet are quite content to totally ignore right-wing VIOLENCE, not just threats of violence such as this woman made. It’s useless, as usual, to try to get through to you or even imagine you will ever admit you’re wrong. MY disagreement is exclusively with your purporting that her mere threats are an indication of violence being a left-wing tactic, and your leaping to the conclusion that her statements indicate a left-wing or union conspiracy of some sort. If you were capable of disproving there’s been plenty of violence from the right, we might be able to debate. But all your tactics are nothing when you put up your statements about left-wing violence but completely refuse to address that there are plenty of instances of right-wing violence. Those statements are lies, pure and simple, but you’ll never be willing to address the issues. You have too much invested in your hatred of the left to even communicate with.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:12 AM

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You can't dismiss what this lady did or who she's affiliated with...

So you agree with me that the guy in Indiana is indicative of a larger, widespread problem within the GOP, right? After all, he is a Republican, appointed by Republicans, and he's suggesting false-flag ops be instituted by Republicans. By your own words, that means that all Republicans should be associated with his words and actions, because he in a larger sense represents all of them.

If he represented all of them, he'd not have been fired.

There you go again, trying to view others as you yourself act and think.

Threats and bullying....those are the tactics of the Left, not the Right.

We do the right thing, and punish folks who think like that, and fire them if they even hint at such 'false flag' nonsense. The Left ? They praise them. Hell, our President even had one write his books for him, so close to such losers is he.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:26 AM

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Niki -

It's the Left who sent death threats.

It's the Left who intimidates business.

And your reading skills are fading, old one. I never said " typical Liberal tactic ". That was a quote from a cop, who has 20+ years experience, from a blog I linked. NOT MY WORDS, LADY! Get it right.

She wasn't party of any 'conspiracy'. All the participants were right there, in the open, cluttering up the halls of the Wisconsin capitol bldg, waving signs and threatening any reporters who dared to do actual reporting on the story.

Her and her co-workers were of like mind. Pretty much says it all.

She's a female, who sent death threats. That makes her a female thug , thus a 'thugette'. And she's a teacher, which is (sadly ) predominantly held by those with a Leftist mind set. ( Join our union, if you know what's good for ya, ok ? )

And of course you're going to try to bring up some completely irrelevant non issue like Laughner ( why not McVeigh ?) as some sort of antidote to your leftists thuggery. Only Laughner nor McVeigh had any connnection in the least to conservative political agendas or views. THEY truly were nuts, straight up. At least this Wisconsin thugette was acting on behalf of herself and her co-workers.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:10 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Threats and bullying....those are the tactics of the Left, not the Right.

You also said it before. It's clear enough for anyone to read, I'm not going back to quote you again. It takes too much time and effort and you'll go right on lying happily no matter how you are proved wrong.

So how about this? I've PROVEN that violence is the tactic of the right, not the left. THAT's the truth.

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All the participants were right there, in the open, cluttering up the halls of the Wisconsin capitol bldg, waving signs and threatening any reporters who dared to do actual reporting on the story.

In other words, there's nothing wrong with a mob carrying signs and hollering at Muslims who want to build a mosque; that's freedom of speech. But a protest by citizens whose rights are being taken away from them, that's "cluttering". How about the legislator who was manhandled when merely trying to go to work? THAT's actual violence; again, violence is the tactic of the right.

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Her and her co-workers were of like mind.

But there's absolutely NO proof that her co-workers put her up to the threat, so your argument fails on it's face.

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And of course you're going to try to bring up some completely irrelevant non issue

They're not a non-issue. They are examples of TRUE right-wing thuggery, and so is every single time a right-wing radical, nut-bag conservative, etc. sends a death threat. You wanna compare death threats? You KNOW I can come up with at least as many by Republicans/righties as you can from Dems/liberals. Get real.

What I posted was ACTUAL VIOLENCE committed by the right, nutcases or otherwise. That proves my point: although death threats come from both sides to the other, actual VIOLENCE is the tool of the right. Keep ignoring it, we expect no better from you.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:15 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Note Jim Adkisson, who shot up a Unitarian church, killing two, because he hated liberals and gays.

Scott Roeder, the Kansas resident who murdered Dr. George Tiller at church because he was an anti-abortion fanatic with ties to, hey, a right-wing extremist group.

James Von Brunn, the White Supremacist who shot up the Holocaust Museum.

How about the MoveOn worker who was stomped to the ground and given a concussion by Rand Paul supporters?

Or Byron Williams, who was stopped by California Highway Patrol and engaged in a shootout with law enforcement? He later said he planned to murder individuals at the Tides Foundation and ACLU and his mother said he was angry about "Congress railroading through all these left-wing agenda items."

Then there's the envelope containing "a plastic bag of white powder and two pieces of paper with swastikas written on them" that was mailed to Rep. Raul Grijalva's (D-AZ) campaign office.

Or hey, the gas line that was cut outside the house of Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-VA) brother's house after the address was erroneously posted online by a Tea Party blogger who invited activists to descend on the house.

Or the other package with white powder and an angry letter that referenced the health care legislation that was sent to Congressman Weiner's Kew Gardens office.

Right-wingers, every single one of them. Address THEM, I dare you, rather than running on and on about some threat nobody has any idea if she intended carry out or not. There's no PROOF she was going to actually DO anything; these are PROVEN ACTS.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:33 PM

America loves a winner!

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Right-wingers, every single one of them. Address THEM, I dare you, rather than running on and on about some threat nobody has any idea if she intended carry out or not. There's no PROOF she was going to actually DO anything; these are PROVEN ACTS.

All irrelevant, and it's proof enough that what she did will land her sorry ass in jail.

Left wingers are more likely to threaten and carry out attacks than those on the Right. The right is largely made up of decent, honest , hard working people, while those on the Left are just spoiled, angry and spiteful.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:54 PM