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WHY should he show his college records, for gawd's sake? WHAT President has ever been asked to? What right does anyone have to ask him to? Is it a requirement to be President that you have X grades? Or is this just another way of saying "A Black man couldn't possibly be good enough to be President"? Hmmmm?

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Does it have to be a 'black' thing? While I agree that this is a foolish waste of time and energy, people can hate him for reasons NOT related to his race. And even if we look at his race, he's half white too, right? Why can't we claim him?

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Originally posted by Niki2:

" Bush is President. Get over it."

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Sigh. No, it doesn’t have to be a “black thing”. But it seems to strain coincidence that despite seven prior presidents having similar “natural born citizen” issues, it’s the first black one who has to deal with it as a major matter.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
the stupidist thing about all this is that in a short while you can all vote him out if you so choose, so why all this is worth bleating on and on and on and on about.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yup. I heard about that one, too...

"If they prove the birth certificate, next: college records. After that: ___"

Talk about your conspiracies!! (And there; knowing what was in it, I just saved myself ANOTHER 5-10 minutes reading your crap. Bring on the ice cream...)

WHY should he show his college records, for gawd's sake? WHAT President has ever been asked to? What right does anyone have to ask him to? Is it a requirement to be President that you have X grades? Or is this just another way of saying "A Black man couldn't possibly be good enough to be President"? Hmmmm?

Given we already know you're a flaming racist, you needn't bother answering that. Go play with your tin hat.

Obama is President. Get over it.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

You got it, Magons. It doesn't "have" to be about race, but it is. Never has a President been SO questioned...two years into his presidency...that he might not be legitimately President. That pretty much says it all.

And if he were white, what difference would it make what his grades were in college??? When's THAT ever been a legitimate question? Hell, we've had Presidents who were LOUSEY students...but they were white, so no demands to see their transcripts. I know what some will say, "playing the race card", but sometimes things just are what they obviously are. Sad to say.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I like the rule about being born in America, I have no problem with it at all, If you weren't born here and you want to be in government there are plenty of positions that you can hold, up to secretary of state I think. I think the reason that rule is used is because that way it limits the chances of someone's loyalties being torn. Lets say you grew up in East Conjumaea and moved here when you were a teenager and then became president. Then some thing happened and we went to war with East Conjumaea, they don't want the president questioning whether s/he would side with the US or the place where they grew up.

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
her husband needing copious amounts of documentation and two witnesses (non-family) of his birth to get something (a passport I think, or maybe for some government something, he's in the military) because he did not have a birth certificate but a 'certificate of live birth.'

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Posted by PN:

I don’t know about you my father looks just like me.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Well yeah, but so do your mother, your sister, your aunt, your kids, your brother, your mother's sister, your father's mother... Let's face it, PN, your family tree doesn't branch!

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Originally posted by Hardware:
The important point is that 0bama is on his back foot. His camp is reacting. Dancing to Trump's tune. This is an inherently weak position. Anyone who disagrees with this is just proving that they've drunk the coolaid.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Originally posted by Hardware:
The important point is that 0bama is on his back foot. His camp is reacting. Dancing to Trump's tune. This is an inherently weak position. Anyone who disagrees with this is just proving that they've drunk the coolaid.

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Since the election of Barack Obama, the Republican Party has proved that one of its central intellectual arguments was right all along. It has long claimed that evolution is a myth believed in only by whiny liberals – and it turns out it was on to something. Every six months, the party venerates a new hero, and each time it is somebody further back on the evolutionary scale.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Is it that you have to have been BORN in America?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Heh

Johann Hari: Donald Trump's lunacy reveals core truth about the Republicans

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Since the election of Barack Obama, the Republican Party has proved that one of its central intellectual arguments was right all along. It has long claimed that evolution is a myth believed in only by whiny liberals – and it turns out it was on to something. Every six months, the party venerates a new hero, and each time it is somebody further back on the evolutionary scale.

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And this folks, is why I cannot support Ron Paul, so long as he affiliates with such cretins, because of the phenomenae explained here.
http://www.strike-the-root.com/71/molyneux/molyneux3.html

Just that simple.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Is it that you have to have been BORN in America? I thought it was just that you had to be an American, which means either mom or dad had to be American, and I don't belive there's any question about his mother. Or is it both? Because if it was just having to be born in America, as it stands now the child of illegal immigrants would be viable, given children born here automtically get citizenship...?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

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Originally posted by Hardware:
The important point is that 0bama is on his back foot. His camp is reacting. Dancing to Trump's tune. This is an inherently weak position. Anyone who disagrees with this is just proving that they've drunk the coolaid.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Hello,

"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is always an interesting position for debate.

I have not seen any credible threat to Obama's reelection. I do not believe that Trump is a credible threat. None of this circus has palpably weakened the president's position.

The only thing that can keep this president from winning the next election is this president. He has to make some earth-shattering mistake, or he's a shoe-in. The GOP are powerless to stop him, having no viable alternatives. The kool-aid is what the GOP is pouring, and there just isn't enough of it to poison Obama's reelection campaign.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

If Ron Paul wants to run as an Independent, a Libertarian, a Green Party candidate, he'll likely find a supporter in me, or at least an interested ear.

But when he runs as a Republican, he becomes the party of Bush and Reagan.

And there are plenty enough on "the other side" who will say the same of Obama, and I can't deny those claims. He certainly is the party, since he's the head of it. There's every chance I won't be able to vote for him in 2012. Too bad there's nobody running against him as a Democrat!

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But if you think this reaction shows strength, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

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President Ron Paul and VP Dennis Kucinich 2012... Fuck BOTH parties!

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Originally posted by Hardware:
The important point is that 0bama is on his back foot. His camp is reacting. Dancing to Trump's tune. This is an inherently weak position. Anyone who disagrees with this is just proving that they've drunk the coolaid.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Hello,

"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is always an interesting position for debate.

I have not seen any credible threat to Obama's reelection. I do not believe that Trump is a credible threat. None of this circus has palpably weakened the president's position.

The only thing that can keep this president from winning the next election is this president. He has to make some earth-shattering mistake, or he's a shoe-in. The GOP are powerless to stop him, having no viable alternatives. The kool-aid is what the GOP is pouring, and there just isn't enough of it to poison Obama's reelection campaign.

--Anthony

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Whoah, whoah, whoah. I never said there was a credible threat. In fact I think that Trump is the clown shoes as a candidate. But the fact that 0bama's camp has decided to react, and reaction is always a weaker path than action, to Trump's rehash of an old controversy is indication that his camp feels threatened by this.

There's a long, long road to the election. Plenty of time for new developments.

But if you think this reaction shows strength, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Originally posted by Niki2:
What about children born of two Americans in another country? I always thought any child born of one American parent, wherever was automatically a citizen if they wanted to be, or they could take citizenship of the other parent.

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Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."

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