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Women protest driving ban in Saudi Arabia

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 18:09
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Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:47 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Think about it, for just a minute; you’re not allowed to drive your car. Guys, think about it as well, couldn’t do you any harm and any ONE of us could have been born a woman in Saudi Arabia. You know, “there but for fortune...” It’s a little thing in the midst of world suffering, war, oppression, terrorism, but not so little when you think in terms of one’s entire life in today’s world.
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Getting my driver’s license as soon as I turned 16 was a major point of pride for me. I couldn’t live without driving. It’s like eating and breathing — something I take for granted as both natural and necessary.

So when I arrived in Saudi Arabia three years ago, it was strange to see that everyone behind the wheel was male. Since this is the only country in the world where females are prohibited from driving, one of my first tasks was to find a driver.

Luckily, I found Soresh. Like many drivers here, he is Indian. He’s a careful driver, he comes on time, and if he’s busy on another job, he sends one of his driver friends to ferry me around.

I would be lying if I said this arrangement is inconvenient. I get dropped at the entrance wherever I’m going. I don’t have to worry about parking. Flat tire? Someone else’s problem. Road rage? I stay oblivious in the back seat, reading or chatting on the phone. Those boring errands? Soresh delivers my packages and picks up my plane tickets.

But if you told me that I could never drive again, that my mobility would be totally dependent on another person for the rest of my life, that’s quite a different story. That would upset me.

And it upsets lots of Saudi women. Because it’s basically a way to keep them in a box.

“My driver takes me someplace, and then my husband picks me and drives me home,” said one young woman who asked not be named. “I just want, for a few minutes, to be able to go somewhere that no one knows where I am. Men don’t want you to have that freedom. You can go somewhere and they don’t know where you are? It’s their worst nightmare.

The driving ban is increasingly upsetting Saudi women, who now make up more than half of this country’s university students. Graduating in record numbers, they are looking for jobs and they want to drive themselves to work, to the shopping mall, to the grocery store and to their children’s schools.

This is the right they have been demanding in recent weeks through a campaign on Facebook called “I will drive my car myself,” and Twitter (#women2drive) urging women to grab the car keys and drive themselves on an errand on Friday.

The new social media tools and recent peaceful street action in other Arab countries like Egypt have given the campaign quite a bit of steam. It got even more after one of its most high-profile organizers, Manal Al Sharif, was detained for 10 days last month.

Aiming to publicize the planned protest, Al Sharif posted a video of herself driving on YouTube, along with another video advising women on what they should do on June 17. For one, since demonstrations are forbidden in Saudi Arabia, there should be no converging on the same location. And no slogans.

As their Facebook page noted, “We are not here to break the law or demonstrate or challenge the authorities, we are here to claim one of our simplest rights.”

Only women with valid international driver’s licenses should participate, organizers said. Many Saudi women drive when they travel and hold licenses from Egypt, Lebanon, Britain and the United States.

According to Saudi sources, Sharif was released on orders of King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, who has gained a reputation here as a supporter of women’s rights. Like many other officials, he has no objections to women driving.

The government’s problem, however, is a vocal constituency of conservatives, both men and women, who regard women driving as the litmus test in the government’s commitment to maintaining a Saudi life-style distinct from Western societies.

These opponents of female drivers justify their stance by quoting from ultra-conservative religious sheikhs who contend that women who drive are putting themselves into temptation to sin.

Sheikh Abdulrahman Al Barrak, for example, said: “Muslim clerics have declared women driving to be [forbidden] not because of the act itself … [of] turning the ignition. But allowing women to be issued licenses and be free to drive alongside men is a wide open door for evil and sin.

Al Barrack added that the women behind the June 17 driving campaign are “Westernized,” and what they are planning “is a sin.”

No Saudi law prohibits women from driving. Rather, it is a social custom given a religious gloss by Islamic conservatives back in 1990 after more than 40 Saudi women drove around Riyadh for an hour to protest not being allowed to drive.

Those women were harshly punished — banned from international travel and suspended from their jobs. Mosque preachers called them “harlots.” Afterwards, to please religious conservatives, the kingdom’s top religious authority issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, that said women should not drive.

In the 21 years since, however, things have changed. Some religious sheikhs are speaking out against the hardliners, arguing that there is nothing in Islam preventing women from driving. They point out that in rural areas, Saudi women drive without interference and that in Prophet Muhammad’s time, women drove the transport of the day: camels.

In addition, critics note that hardliners are inconsistent: They forbid men and women from mixing, but then say it’s OK for a woman to be in a car alone with a male driver.

The tissue of religious justification, however, is wearing very thin, especially with a young generation of women. “It’s very simple,” said a woman who supports the June 17 driving campaign. “They don’t want us to be independent.”

Something else eroding the driving ban is that for many Saudi families, and divorced women, drivers are an economic hardship. In addition to a monthly salary ranging between $300 to $400, they have to be fed and housed. Most of these drivers are foreigners from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and the Philippines.

One Saudi prince recently estimated that letting women drive would be result in an estimated 750,000 foreign drivers being repatriated and thus reduce the 8 million-strong expatriate worker population.

Households with several females means they have to adjust their schedules around a shared driver — unless a brother, husband or son is around to drive them to school, hairdresser, doctor and drug store.

Since there are no public transportation systems, women lacking drivers or relatives free to transport them have to depend on taxis. And these are often unreliable or unpleasant, smelling of cigarette smoke or lacking seat belts. The drivers don’t always know how to get to a desired destination.

In recent months, more and more women have been breaking the ban and driving themselves. Sometimes they get away with it. Sometimes they get caught. When that happens, they are brought to a police station until their male guardian — usually husband or father — comes to pick them up and is forced to sign a pledge that he won’t let her drive again.

This lenient penalty is why many women were preparing to get behind the wheel on June 17.

But that is now in doubt. In recent days, the Ministry of Interior has been informally putting out the word to women: We don’t care if you drive on June 15 or June 16 or June 18 but don’t even think about driving on June 17 unless you want to end up like Manal Al Sharif with an extended stay in jail.

The ministry’s mixed message reflects the government’s muddled stance on the matter as it tries to please two divergent constituencies.

It has already had an effect, with some women announcing that they have decided to drive on another day, not on the 17th.

They appear to see a detour, not a stop sign, in the road up ahead.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/17/driving-while-femal
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So what happened?
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June 17 (Bloomberg) -- Women in Saudi Arabia got behind the wheels of their cars today to challenge the world’s only ban on driving by females.

“It’s my right to drive. I didn’t do anything wrong,” Maha al-Qahtani, 37, said in a phone interview. “I should have the choice to drive or not to drive.” She said she drove for less than an hour in Riyadh with her husband, Mohammed al- Qahtani, a professor of economics and human-rights activist, and had a change of clothes in case the police detained her.

The plan to get women with international driving licenses out in their cars followed a campaign that led to the detention of one of the activists, Manal al-Sharif. A group of Saudi men and women, including al-Sharif, began the campaign in May on the Facebook and Twitter social-networking websites. They insisted their plan wasn’t a protest. Saudi Arabia, holder of the world’s biggest oil reserves, has avoided the anti-government demonstrations that have rocked the Arab world this year.

Several women wrote on Twitter to describe driving in the cities of Mecca and Jeddah. Two Saudi women used YouTube to post videos of themselves driving in the kingdom. There were no immediate reports of arrests.

“I was so happy when I saw the online postings,” said Najla Barasain, 25, by phone from Riyadh, the capital. “Yesterday, I didn’t think anyone would actually drive.”

Barasain said it’s “good that even some men are supporting the move.” She said she’s been trying to persuade her father to allow her to drive. “If he agrees, then I will drive later today when it gets dark,” she said. “If he doesn’t, I won’t. I don’t want to do something he is not convinced of.”

Al-Qahtani, who, like Barasain, learned to drive while living in the U.S., said that when she was driving in Riyadh she saw five police cars and one even passed her blue Hummer.

“I told her about possible dangers,” her husband said. “But I also told her she could advance the cause. I told her if she wants to have a car and to drive, she should do it.”

Al-Sharif, a 32-year-old computer security consultant, was arrested last month in the city of al-Khobar, in Eastern Province, after she drove on more than one occasion and urged other women to drive in a video she posted on YouTube, according to Amnesty International. The human-rights organization said al- Sharif was forced to sign a pledge that she wouldn’t drive again and was released 10 days later.

“Since her arrest, several women have reportedly been arrested on various occasions for driving in different parts of Saudi Arabia and released shortly after signing pledges not to drive in future,” Amnesty International said yesterday in a statement. “Saudi Arabian authorities must stop treating women as second-class citizens and open the kingdom’s roads to women drivers.”

Saudi Arabia enforces restrictions interpreted from the Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam. A woman isn’t allowed to apply for a driver’s license, though some drive when they’re in desert areas away from cities. They can’t travel or get an education without male approval or mix with unrelated men in public places. They aren’t permitted to vote or run as candidates in municipal elections, the only balloting the kingdom allows.

Some Saudis say the driving ban prevents the spread of vice. They say if women were allowed to drive, they would be free to leave home alone whenever they like. The women would also break the strict rules that limit the mixing of genders by interacting with male mechanics if their cars break down or with attendants at gas stations.

The Facebook page for the campaign al-Sharif helped to organize, called “I will drive starting June 17,” is no longer found on the website. Amnesty International said today’s initiative was led by organizers from “Women2Drive.”

“June 17 is the starting date for seeing women driving their cars,” Women2Drive said on the group’s Facebook page. “We want to see women drive their cars to run errands every hour and every day.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-06-17/saudi-arabian-women-use-th
eir-cars-to-call-for-end-to-ban.html


The one that really gets me is the thing about "sin"
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Some Saudis say the driving ban prevents the spread of vice. They say if women were allowed to drive, they would be free to leave home alone whenever they like. The women would also break the strict rules that limit the mixing of genders by interacting with male mechanics if their cars break down or with attendants at gas stations.
What a crock! They'll let the mixing of genders happen when women have drivers, but gawd forbid they should interact with male mechanics or gas-station attendants, with whom they are not even in close proximity like driving together!

Sometimes I hate the male sex, it's so unfair that, almost all the way through history, men have done what they wanted and women have had to fight for equality. Makes my hackles raise, just on principle. It also reminds me to be glad I live in America; what would those clerics think of me on my motorcycle?? I wish those Saudi women all the luck and power they can get!

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Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:02 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I heard one of these women on the radio the other day. Sounds as if its one of those laws that they can't quite work out is a law or just a tradition.

Bloody Saudis, they really are a disgrace with their treatment of women.

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Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Amen. But both articles said there is NO actual law against it, it's a religious thing that's being treated like a law! Which kinda makes it doubly bad that it's "enforced", in my mind!


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Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:31 AM

AURAPTOR

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Some Saudis say the driving ban prevents the spread of vice. They say if women were allowed to drive, they would be free to leave home alone whenever they like. The women would also break the strict rules that limit the mixing of genders by interacting with male mechanics if their cars break down or with attendants at gas stations.




Just leave them at home w/ the internet...

No harm can come of that.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Oh, Heaven forbid, they might talk to a mechanic and thus seduce him since all women are evil seductresses and men just can't stand up against such things. Pa-lease.

I think we should spend less time worrying about letting AI out of the box and try to figure out how we can put social pressure on middle east governments to let women out of the box.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:34 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Heroes.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:37 AM

BYTEMITE


I don't drive by choice because I have some conditions that make it dangerous. Sometimes I have to so I have to take special precautions, but most times it's not worth it.

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:39 AM

BYTEMITE


To most Americans, "social pressure on the Middle East" means "bombs."

The oppression is pretty bad though. It's one thing if something is a personal choice, but it's another if someone is forcing someone else for religion or tradition.

If you want to help the Middle East, support these protesting women, and look up groups like that RAWA that Frem is in contact with. We have no business putting social pressure on any culture just because we can, but we can try to prop up oppressed groups within those cultures.

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:18 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Yeah, just remember if you support RAWA you run the risk of getting in some deep shit if/when the State dept flags em as "terrorists" as a sop to their Northern Alliance/Warlord/Opium Dealer/Taliban buddies.

That bit a local professor on the ass kinda hard when some charitable org he was supporting got flagged that way, for much the same reasons.

-Frem
http://www.rawa.org/index.php

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:09 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Funny how Billary says women have a Right to Drive in Saudi Arabia, but not in USA.

http://dragonaters.blogspot.com/2010/10/georgia-bill-to-ban-driver-lic
enses-and.html



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