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Earth's Little Sidekick: A Tugboat Asteriod

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Neat! At least I think so...
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Asteroids have always been the proletariat of the solar system. It's not just that most of them are nothing more than very big rocks, it's that there are so darn many of them — more than a million in the 1-km or larger range. It's hard to get excited about what's little more than a celestial rubble stream.

But asteroids are getting their moment to shine. The Dawn spacecraft just arrived in orbit around Vesta — the second largest asteroid in the solar system — and will later make a similar visit to Ceres, the 900-km-diameter granddaddy of them all. Ceres is so large that it's spherical and has been officially accorded the honorific "dwarf planet," putting it on the same footing as the recently demoted Pluto.

Now there's word out of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory that astronomers have just discovered Earth's first Trojan asteroid — a rock that shares our own solar orbit, leading us around the sun like a tugboat pulling an ocean liner. That's big news not just because such an object had never been spotted before, but also because a Trojan could make such an easy and nifty place for astronauts to visit.

Trojan asteroids have been seen in the solar system before: Mars has one, so does Jupiter, so does Neptune and so do two of Saturn's moons. There was no reason Earth couldn't have one too, but they're not easy to detect because of both their small size and the telescope-swamping effects of the sun. (Through a complicated — and unfortunate — interplay of Trojans' Earth-leading position and the rotation of the planet itself, the asteroids tend to appear in the skies mostly during daylight hours.) More at http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2085982,00.html




Okay, those are my contributions for the day. Onward...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Awesome! Love to see physics stuff like this get confirmed in the real world.

Theoretically, ALL of our LaGrange points could have such things in stable positions - inner, outer, leading, trailing, and one just opposite us on the other side of the Sun, exactly 180 degrees around our orbit from us. Nice to see that once we actually really LOOK for them, there they are, just where they should be!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:22 AM

BYTEMITE


Extra points if we build a barn on it for an interlingual cosmic pun.

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It would make a fantastic spot for an observatory, especially if there's another suitable body in our trailing point. Think of the parallax you could get from two observatories nearly 1AU apart!

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:14 AM

DREAMTROVE


I recall this or something very much like it being discovered a couple years ago, but I can't find it now. Here are some curiosities though, none of the objects ar ethe one I recall reading about, which was pretty much the same description as the one just posted.
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/7067527.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_object


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Cool stuff. The more we look out there, the more we find.

Makes me wonder how folks can't be amazed at what's out there in the black.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:28 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I recall this or something very much like it being discovered a couple years ago,




I thought I remembered as much myself. Perhaps what I'm thinking of is sci-fi: this possibility is a very old notion, and I know I've seen it as several "alternative-Earth" plots over my lifetime, but I can't recall a title or cite a specific example.

Maybe the real news here is that they've actually detected a body , and confirmed its existence.

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:41 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Cool to find stuff at a LaGrange point, but going there might not be useful any time in the near future. It's currently 50 million miles away and will get closer only slowly(and is only slightly larger than the Superdome), and we actually get closer to Mars than that (36 million miles or so) around every 26 months.

If we could find something at the 180 degree LaGrange point, it might be worthwhile to go to Mars, wait for it to get into opposition with earth, and fly from Mars to that point to create a two AU (+-) baseline for parallax observations.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Good plan. Be nice to know if there IS anything at the 180º point. Wouldn't surprise me at all to find that there is - but it would still be pretty cool.

One issue just hit me, though - if you've got something here (or in orbit above us), and something at the 180º (or L3) point, you still have to communicate between the two, so you'd need a repeater transmitter somewhere. Mars, maybe, or at the L4/L5 points.

But yeah, can you imagine the stuff we could see and image with that kind of baseline? Very awesome.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:31 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I love the title Niki. I'm still kind of annoyed about Pluto being demoted. Oh well.

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Extra points if we build a barn on it for an interlingual cosmic pun.


T'ain't funny, McGee!
...
Okay, yes it is - creme soda HURTS when you blow it out your nostrils, just so ya know.


-F

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Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Riona, I'm pissed about Pluto too. When I was a little girl, dad would come home and I'd run to him, he'd pick me up and whirl me around and we'd run through the planets' names while I was in the air, one rotation for each planet. Never forgot that, and to lose "Pluto!" at the end saddened me. Silly, but it did.

I can take no credit for the title; it was the actual title of the article.

As an aside, didn't Kane make some snide remark about me putting up stuff nobody's interested in? Seems to me a goodly number of stuff I've put up has garnered attention...

THAT to you, Kane!

(couldn't resist)


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Actually, I think that was Wulfie.


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