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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yup, just what was predicted to happen, happened.

Obama and the Democrats hold the country hostage, economy goes in the shitter.

Biden and the Dems are the ones who claimed this wouldn't happen. They're wrong about everything, as usual.

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Cut taxes for the rich, No, the high wage earners lose money at a slower ratel.

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Cut taxes for the rich, No, the high wage earners lose money at a slower ratel.

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Fixed that for ya.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yup, just what was predicted to happen, happened.

Racist tea-bagging scum hold the country hostage, economy goes in the shitter.

Rappy and his tea-bagging buddies are the ones who claimed this wouldn't happen. They're wrong about everything, as usual.

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Yup, just what was predicted to happen, happened.

Racist, freedom hating scum hold the country hostage, economy goes in the shitter.

Kwickie and his commie loving butt buddies are the ones who claimed this wouldn't happen. They're wrong about everything, as usual.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Racist, freedom hating tea-party scum hold the country hostage, economy goes in the shitter, they celebrate.

Rappy and his pedophile butt buddies are the ones who claimed this wouldn't happen. They're wrong about everything, as usual.

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Democrats have the Executive branch, the Senate, and split the Judiciary. The GOP has 1/2 of the Legislative, and the TEA party patriots only make up a small fraction of the GOP's majority in the House.

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...since Gabby Giffords was shot, along with all those others, in AZ.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

By a registered Republican, after being all but told to do so by your dear and fluffy lord Sarah Palin.

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Posted at 5:28 PM ET, 01/10/2011
Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election
By Chris Cillizza
Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Loughner registered to vote on Sept. 29, 2006, identifying himself as an independent. Records show he voted in the 2006 and 2008 elections but is current listed as "inactive" on the state's voter roles -- meaning that he did not vote in November.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
...and 1/2 the legislation when the GOP is scared of the TEA party is enough. If you knew anything you would know that it only takes one Senator to hold up some procedures.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
...and 1/2 the legislation when the GOP is scared of the TEA party is enough. If you knew anything you would know that it only takes one Senator to hold up some procedures.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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'some' procedures. Which has nothing to do w/ the TEA party members in the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Now why don't you address the main cause of the increase wealth gap, right wing tax policies.

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By a registered Republican, after being all but told to do so by your dear and fluffy lord Sarah Palin.

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Beyond childishly wrong, on both accounts.

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Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn't vote in 2010 election
By Chris Cillizza
Suspected Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner registered as an independent voter in Arizona in the fall of 2006, according to the Pima County Registrar of Voters.

Loughner registered to vote on Sept. 29, 2006, identifying himself as an independent. Records show he voted in the 2006 and 2008 elections but is current listed as "inactive" on the state's voter roles -- meaning that he did not vote in November.

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God damn, Kwickie. You're an idiot.



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Now why don't you address the main cause of the increase wealth gap, right wing tax policies.

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Which tax policies are those ? Are you saying that the purpose of taxing the wealthy is to keep them in check, deny them the ability to make money and prosper ?

And here I thought the idea was to fund the basic functions of govt.

Americans are over taxed as it is. That D.C. finds more and more ways to spend our money, waste our money, isn't in the least bit any proof that our govt isn't being funded properly. It's being over funded, and needs to be reigned in. Not by a little, by a LOT.

"MAYBE", if that happens, then those in govt can stop w/ the mindless, ineffective pork spending, and get back to basics, get back to the proper functions of govt, and end this non stop spending spree.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And yet w/ the AZ shooter, I posted published reports which show very much to the contrary of your 'claims'.


Besides Mother Jones and possibly The Daily Kos, what " sources " do you have to back up your claim?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:And nice graphs, btw. Of course, they're totally misleading, but what the hell do you care ? Fun to look at, at least, huh ?

The fact is, regardless of the tax RATE, ( which no one ever payed the full rate, mind you - ever ) the revenue raised by the federal govt remains a constant 18% of GDP.

So, when we want more $ going to the fed govt, we grow the economy , and not the tax

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Hey, notice that the great depression came after a period of low top tax rate.

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And yet w/ the AZ shooter, I posted published reports which show very much to the contrary of your 'claims'.


Besides Mother Jones and possibly The Daily Kos, what " sources " do you have to back up your claim?

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Not to gratuitously snark, but this is an unfortunate line, as it betrays an incredibly shallow outlook on economics, on just so many levels.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
There was no real so called "stimulus" spending, only military, and nominal govt. Spending, so fed income tax could be nothing but injurious to the US economy, the problems get far worse.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Nick, I suggest starting over at the beginning, and studying things like cash flow and the credit economy. Also check out F A Hayek who goes into this in great detail, and has a lot of astute observations about the matter.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
As to the tax rates, two things come to mind: one, that the chart omits entitlement tax, property tax and state income tax, as well as alternative minimum tax and various taxation and mandates included in the price of everything, but second, I assume you are not suggesting that a marginal federal tax rate is of over 90% is a good idea, or that the new deal and wwii were models of a successful society. At least, I hope that's not what you're suggesting.

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ETA: the mechanism by which the rich get richer is federal spending, which can be easily demonstrated, and has been.

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If you had brain one you would understand that it matters where that 18% comes from. Not one part of the conversation has been about more money to the federal government, it is about the widening wealth gap and the cause of it, which is a low top tax rate. You haven't even tried to argue against that because you can't.

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Really? With the deficit in the trillions, you don't care about making up that widening gap between what govt takes in , and what it spends ?

Really? Huh.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:The low top tax rate has not one damn thing to do w/ the imaginary wealth gap. And even if it did, which is utter nonsense, so what ? Taxes are supposed to be raised to fund the functions of the federal govt, and NOT ( as our idiot Community Organizer OF Chief believes ) to make things "fair ". You can't tax the top 1 % enough to bring them down to the lowest income earners. It's not feasible, not possible, and beyond moronic to even try.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Govt isn't big mommy / daddy. It's not suppose to be there to take more candy from Tommy to give to Billy, simply because Tommy has worked his ass off, and earned more, and and Billy has goofed off and now is whining because he doesn't have as much as everyone else.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Seriously. The nation is well over 200 yrs old now. Time for you folks to get w/ the program and stop looking for hand outs.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Nick,
I'm on your side, and I agree with you, and trust you, know you would not put up fraudulent graphs, and they do agree with my observations and opinions from other sources, but would you mind listing sources for them?
Sometimes just knowing the source is enough to know whether they are the result of cooking the books, and it is sometimes nice to be able to track a graph clear back to its source for verification, even if it supports my opinion.
Thanx...

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This assumes that the military spending is done with greater efficiency than that money would have been spent by the taxpayers, ergo, the people, numerically weighted towards the wealthy. This is just patently obviously not so. Wealthy people and corporations are probably better safeguards of their own money than govt. Bureaucrats hired to spend it however they see fit.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:Little local item I posted a while ago. There was a fire on one of four houses across the river. The firetruck could not cross because the bridge did not match the weight limit, so the govt. Came in and destroyed the bridge.

When the people of the town asked the govt. To replace the bridge, they said "we can't pay for that unless there are at least four houses on the other side and now there are only three."

The town said "fine, we'll pay for it." so, the govt. folks and their contractors came in, assessed the situation, and handed the town a contract for fifteen million. The town said "fuck off" and then we went down and built a bridge for 50,000. Damn nice bridge too.

Another little anecdote. A couple years ago there was a flood (posted here) and our floodwall (built in 1787) was weakened, but did not collapse. FEMA came in and spent three years and three million dollars tearing down the whole floodwall and building a new one. There has not since been a flood, yet the new wall collapsed on eighteen months later.

So, no, I have no faith in how the govt. Spends money.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:I meant they omit federal income taxes like FICA and AMT, which have been added and increased over the years. That adds about 23% to the top tax rate. That means that Obama's planned 50% top bracket is 73%. given that many people have mandatory funds, which often evaporate intentionally, and we will have obamacare, plus a state income tax of 0-10%, the top tax rate for some folks is going to top 90% without making the nominal rate more than 50%

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:And no, a 90% tax rate is never a good idea. The govt. Should never raise more money than it actually needs, and given the way it spends, we're better off if it doesn't spend anything,

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The wealth envy issue really has you by the balls, doesn't it ? Sorry, but you have no case here. The general welfare is helped when unemployment is at 4.7 to 5.0 %. Not so much when it's over 9.0 %

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Tax rate has zero to do w/ the wealth gap. Reagan's economic plans worked, and worked incredibly well for the country as a whole.

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Making everyone dependent on the imperial federal govt is shoving your head up your own ass. Which might explain why you love it so much.

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The success of this country depends on everyone's FREEDOM, not dependency and obedience to a corrupt and out of control govt.

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Good to see who here hates America, and has no respect or understanding of this country's history - the tea-bag fascists!


Death to the tea party !

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Nick,
I'm on your side, and I agree with you, and trust you, know you would not put up fraudulent graphs, and they do agree with my observations and opinions from other sources, but would you mind listing sources for them?
Sometimes just knowing the source is enough to know whether they are the result of cooking the books, and it is sometimes nice to be able to track a graph clear back to its source for verification, even if it supports my opinion.
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Not a problem, here you go. Sorry they are not in order.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-about-inequality-in-america-2011-
11?comments_page=2&op=1

http://forthesakeofscience.com/2011/02/24/the-republican-caused-income
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These are mainly from the Congressional Budget office.

http://sensen-no-sen.blogspot.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
The chart data was compiled from the Institute of Policy Studies Program on Inequality and the Common Good.

If that is not all of them or you want some help finding the raw data let me know.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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The general welfare is helped when unemployment is at 4.7 to 5.0 %. Not so much when it's over 9.0 %

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