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Sarah "Look at me!" attends State Fair

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The woman is amazing; she'll never run, but has glomed onto her celebrity status as a GREAT way to enhance her pocket book and have candidates cowtow to her for her endorsement. It's transparent, but working really great, I gotta give the woman credit for knowing how to sell herself!
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On Friday afternoon, the day after a nationally-televised Republican presidential debate, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty went largely unnoticed as he strolled around the Iowa state fairgrounds with a couple of aides.

It was an entirely different scene just minutes later, when Sarah Palin - former Alaska governor, worldwide celebrity and potential White House hopeful - appeared in the “Hall of Champions” livestock barn on a different side of the park.

Palin had been expected to attend the state fair, which is ground zero for presidential politics ahead of the Ames Straw Poll on Saturday, but her aides remained tight-lipped all week and revealed nothing about her whereabouts.

Her Iowa visit marked the opening of the Midwestern leg of her “One Nation” bus tour, which launched this spring with a tour of historical sites along the East Coast.

When she did show up at the fair, dressed in a white t-shirt and a pair of black jeans from her favorite Alaska designer, Palin was immediately swarmed by dozens of reporters and television cameras as news of her sudden appearance ricocheted around the fairground.

The press pack tiptoed around prize-winning cattle and errant pitchforks while thrusting microphones toward her face and bombarding her with questions about her national ambitions, the emergence of Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Thursday’s GOP debate.

She welcomed Perry, a friend and political ally, to the presidential field but said she still sees “room in the field” and said it would not impact her decision-making process about the race.

“He is a great guy, I look forward to seeing him in the debates,” she said. “He was adamant that he wasn’t gone to run, so it’s surprising. I am surprised that he changed his position on that. But I am glad that he is going to be in there.”

Palin was escorted through the fairgrounds by a team of advance staffers and an Iowa GOP operative, Becky Beach, who has assisted Palin during past visits to the Hawkeye State. She had more staff on hand Friday than she did during the first leg of her bus tour.

Her husband Todd, who expressed enthusiasm about a potential campaign, was also at her side. He seemed to be enjoying the spotlight.

“After she resigned they said that she was washed up and done right?,” he said with a grin. “And you guys are still here.”

As for her own thinking about the race, both she and Todd said there is plenty of time to make a decision. Palin said she would not be a candidate by the time she returns to the state over Labor Day weekend, when she is slated to address a tea party rally in Waukee.

“There is a still a lot of contemplation that needs to go into such an Earth shattering, life-changing decision,” Palin said.

She engaged with the media for more than an hour, all while signing autographs and posing for pictures with star struck fair-goers.

Palin had nothing but kind words for the candidates who could become her rivals for the GOP nomination.

She praised former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s combative performance in Thursday’s debate, said she would happily support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney if he becomes the nominee and dismissed any idea of a rivalry between herself and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

“Just because there may happen to be two women in the race, that they would, you know, as Michele had put it once, get in the mud and be cat-fighting,” she said. “It’s ridiculous. It’s kind of even a sexist notion to consider that two women would be kind of be duking it out. If I’m going to duke it out, I’m going to duke it out with a guy or a girl, whoever the opponent is.”

Palin also defended Romney after the GOP frontrunner told an Iowa crowd a day earlier that “corporations are people.” He was accusing President Barack Obama of creating a greater tax burden on businesses.

"The people pay the taxes. It’s not an entity, the corporation itself, that pays the taxes. It’s the people who pay the taxes. So Mitt Romney was right,” Palin said.

After her lengthy walk and talk with the press and supporters, she walked into a private, roped-off function to meet with local Republican activists and munch on corn dogs.

Palin's bus tour is expected to take her into Illinois and Missouri in the coming days. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/palin-swarmed-at-iowa-
state-fair/?hpt=hp_bn4

I've changed my mind; she's not a joke anymore--not a candidate either, but someone who's become a real pro at getting attention (while griping about it) and keeping her follower hoping she'll run (which she never would; too much work and not enough money when she can get speaking fees, write books, have a TV show and now a documentary about her).

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 9:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, it seems like she's determined to single-handedly overshadow every single attempt by any Republican candidate to gain any traction or attention. Every time one of the alleged "front-runners" has a plan to show up and get some publicity, in sweeps the "Look at ME Express" to steal their thunder and the limelight.


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Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I'll look at her.

And twice on Sunday.




But congrats to 'crazy eyes' Bachmann.

Winning!


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Saturday, August 13, 2011 3:25 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


A win for Bachmann is one step closer to Obama's second term!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Ol' Crazy-Eyes looks a bit cock-eyed in this pic:





"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:39 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ol' Crazy-Eyes looks a bit cock-eyed in this pic:






Keep it up, Mike. Snark and attack is pretty much all the Democrats have got to run on in 2012.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:43 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Against the GOP that is all we will need.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Snark and attack against the blatant lies and outright racism of the GOP and the Tea Party?

Yeah, I'd say we're taking the high road.

I mean, I haven't heard any Democratic congressperson call Herman Cain a "tar baby" yet. Have you?

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Might be time for a caption contest:



"Ms. Bachmann, would you like a tea bag with that wiener?"



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Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Against the GOP that is all we will need.





" We " , being the Workers World Party, of course.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 7:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Won't even need that, since the GOP seems so hell bent on causing their own self-destruction and fall into irrelevance save as bile-fascination entertainment, one reason I've not interfered too much.



On the other hand, I guess Bachmann can't be completely insane or evil, if she likes Corn Dogs.

Still think she's batshit crazy though.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"Ms. Bachmann, would you like a tea bag with that wiener?"

I guffawed. I chuckled. I laughed. I howled. I giggled. I think the people who heard me thought I'd lost it.



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Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I hav to say tho, the picture is plenty funny on its own - the half-potted 'gag me with a spoon' look on her face, the way she's holding it as far away from her hand as possible - by the very tip of a single fingernail ... she looks absolutely disgusted.

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I mean, I haven't heard any Democratic congressperson call Herman Cain a "tar baby" yet. Have you?



Nope, they're just caling their opposition "Terrorists".

ETA: I expect that before its over the Democrats will end up with stuff on the level or 'Birthers' and PN's articles about Bohemian Grove.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I mean, I haven't heard any Democratic congressperson call Herman Cain a "tar baby" yet. Have you?



Nope, they're just caling their opposition "Terrorists".





In fairness, though, they actually were acting like terrorists. And Mitch McConnell agreed, saying that the economy was "a hostage worth ransoming" and hinting that he would gladly hold the economy hostage again.

Certainly sounds like terrorism to me.






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Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:56 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In fairness, though, they actually were acting like terrorists.



By holding up legislation they oppose? Oh, the horror.

Never go into politics, Mike. It'd be too rough for you.

They didn't do anything that both parties haven't done when they were in a position to block legislation or change it to something they could accept, as happened with the debt ceiling.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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A historical review of the filibuster's use is helpful in at least one regard: it shows just how abused the procedural tactic has recently become. Many, such as myself, have argued that the filibuster can serve a valuable purpose. That said, the evidence suggests the filibuster is being used with a profligacy never before seen at a time when the Senate's action on key legislation is perhaps needed the most.
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There isn't a perfect correlation between the use of the filibuster and the number of motions filed for cloture. Often, a majority leader may be aware that he does not have sufficient votes to invoke cloture, and a motion may never be filed. Other times, a majority leader may suspect a minority party Senator will filibuster a bill, motion or amendment and preemptively make a motion for cloture.
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On average, Congresses with a Republican minority (i.e., the filibustering party) have seen an average increase of 25.2 cloture motions filed by the Democratic majority over the number of cloture motions filed by the immediately preceding majority party. Congresses with a Democratic minority (i.e., the filibustering party) have seen an average decrease of 2.6 cloture motions filed by the Republican majority over the number of cloture motions filed by the immediately preceding majority party. If we assume the 111th Congress will not file another cloture motion in 2010 (which would be inconceivable), those Congresses with a Republican minority (i.e., the filibustering minority) would still see an average increase of 10 cloture motions filed by the Democratic majority over the number of cloture motions filed by the immediately preceding majority party. This suggests the Republican party has tended to increase the use of the filibuster over prior minority party uses while the Democratic party has tended to decrease its use over prior minority party uses (at least since 1991). http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/02/18/838260/-Political-party-(ab)u
se-of-the-filibuster-in-the-US-Senate

You may not like my cite, but the facts and figures are real (check it out if you think it's wrong, there's a table showing the use of filibusters)

The filibuster has valid uses; the way in which the Republicans have used it in recent times has been way overkill and done for no other reason than obstructionism.

The 110th Congress filibustered at LEAST 139 times, far more than the filibuster has ever been used since 1991, and I'd bet more than in our history. There's no excuse for that, particularly because they stated quite clearly that's what they INTENDED to do. It's irresponsible.

As to the "terrorist" thing, jezus, how often was Obama called a "terrorist sympathizer" and how often were anti-Iraq war OR anti-Bush protesters called terrorists? Many, many more times; I was here, I remember.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, August 14, 2011 5:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In fairness, though, they actually were acting like terrorists.



By holding up legislation they oppose? Oh, the horror.

Never go into politics, Mike. It'd be too rough for you.



No worries about that. I've done some behind-the-scenes consulting, and been told that I'm actually too rough for politics. Seems I have a bad habit of calling stupid people stupid, because I cannot abide idiocy and stupidity.

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They didn't do anything that both parties haven't done when they were in a position to block legislation or change it to something they could accept, as happened with the debt ceiling.



Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done. Funny that you've never voiced any opposition to it when it's being done by Republicans, though. Not that you're biased or anything, right? ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done.



Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done.



Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



And I'd be interested in cites of me claiming they did.

And I'd like reputable, verifiable cites of Democratic members of Congress doing so to Republicans.

There are hints and allegations, but no verifiable proof, no solid evidence of it. As Rappy insists, without video or audio, there's no evidence that it ever happened.

Meanwhile, Representatives like Michele Bachmann have indeed called several Democrats, including the President of the United States, "anti-American" on more than one occasion, and right-wing pundits have repeatedly called Democrats terrorists and worse.

In fact, you enjoy throwing around insults and accusations yourself, don't you? You've been known to do so on more than a few occasions.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:15 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I've noticed an interesting pattern - in Rap, Wulfie, Geezer and a few others - they come and make all sorts of claims, yet when challenged with facts or to back up their claims, they disappear - only to reappear later in another thread with the same spew. Liberals OTOH seem happy to discuss facts all day long. I think this goes beyond 'How Facts Backfire' and political partisanship to a basic relationship with the world.

I'm not sure what it means, but it seems extremely consistent.

I've also noticed that the people with the most tenuous relationship with facts are the ones most likely to call themselves 'realists'.

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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ETA: I expect that before its over the Democrats will end up with stuff on the level or 'Birthers' and PN's articles about Bohemian Grove.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a time there, weren't the "birthers" the majority of the Republican party?

But if you have any cites of Democratic congresspersons claiming they've never seen Michele Bachmann's birth certificate, I'm all ears.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:13 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

" We " , being the Workers World Party, of course.



If they are on board, sure!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

" We " , being the Workers World Party, of course.



If they are on board, sure!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.






According to Rappy, they'll be FORCED to be on board. Literally. He says "the Left" and "the Unions" FORCE people onto buses and FORCE them to attend rallies.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:45 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And I'd be interested in cites of me claiming they did.


No. you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.

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And I'd like reputable, verifiable cites of Democratic members of Congress doing so to Republicans.

There are hints and allegations, but no verifiable proof, no solid evidence of it. As Rappy insists, without video or audio, there's no evidence that it ever happened.



Sort'a like the stuff you and Niki post from Huffington and other liberal feel-good sites?

I'd tend to believe sources like Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html

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Meanwhile, Representatives like Michele Bachmann have indeed called several Democrats, including the President of the United States, "anti-American" on more than one occasion.

But that wasn't the issue, was it?

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In fact, you enjoy throwing around insults and accusations yourself, don't you? You've been known to do so on more than a few occasions.


Admittedly, sometimes I do toss the feces you fling back at you. Guess I'm flawed that way.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a time there, weren't the "birthers" the majority of the Republican party?



Could be, but that wouldn't make the Democrats any less pathetic if they sink to that level. Your recent favorite picture of Ms. Bachman, for examole, is right up there with the Obama Waffles of 2008.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
And I'd be interested in cites of me claiming they did.


No. you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.



Yes, how very unfair of me, to stand by my words when you try to conflate them and use them to imply that I said something I didn't say. Aren't you the whiny little bitch that really hates when people do that? I guess, like most Republicans, it's *different* when YOU do it, right?

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And I'd like reputable, verifiable cites of Democratic members of Congress doing so to Republicans.

There are hints and allegations, but no verifiable proof, no solid evidence of it. As Rappy insists, without video or audio, there's no evidence that it ever happened.



Sort'a like the stuff you and Niki post from Huffington and other liberal feel-good sites?



And sort'a like the way you and Rappy so quickly dismiss anything that comes from those alleged "liberal feel-good sites", right?

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I'd tend to believe sources like Politico.



Why? They didn't have any reporters in the meeting, did they?

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Meanwhile, Representatives like Michele Bachmann have indeed called several Democrats, including the President of the United States, "anti-American" on more than one occasion.

But that wasn't the issue, was it?



Ah - so now YOU'RE the one falling back on your old usual "that's not what I said" line of crap, eh?

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In fact, you enjoy throwing around insults and accusations yourself, don't you? You've been known to do so on more than a few occasions.


Admittedly, sometimes I do toss the feces you fling back at you. Guess I'm flawed that way.



Not that it will ever stop you from flinging shit, of course. Or from pointing out the flaws in others - well, only those others who are to the left of you, of course.




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for a time there, weren't the "birthers" the majority of the Republican party?



Could be, but that wouldn't make the Democrats any less pathetic if they sink to that level. Your recent favorite picture of Ms. Bachman, for examole, is right up there with the Obama Waffles of 2008.

"Keep the Shiny side up"




Hey, you tea-bagging fuckwits on the right seem to lap that shit right up. Y'all are sucking up to the tea parties like Ms. Bachmann going for a corndog.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Here's the really weird thing - the teabaggers here don't support Ron Paul. Iowans do, but not the teabaggers here. They'd rather support Bachmann, or Palin, or ... anybody else.

1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%)
2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)

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Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:36 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've noticed an interesting pattern - in Rap, Wulfie, Geezer and a few others - they come and make all sorts of claims, yet when challenged with facts or to back up their claims, they disappear - only to reappear later in another thread with the same spew. Liberals OTOH seem happy to discuss facts all day long. I think this goes beyond 'How Facts Backfire' and political partisanship to a basic relationship with the world.

I'm not sure what it means, but it seems extremely consistent.

I've also noticed that the people with the most tenuous relationship with facts are the ones most likely to call themselves 'realists'.


This is in fact why I consider that specific kind of "conservatism" - RightWing Authoritarian, to be a form of mental illness, although very specifically *not* one I think should be involuntarily addressed cause that leads down the very dark garden path to "re-education" centers of the old soviet style, and while I may pity them, I realize the terrible threat they pose should anyone willing to enable them by handing out official sanction for their evil be elected.
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Jackals: "Finally, we have a strong leader ready to put those malcontents in their places! Where do I sign up?" Jackals are like Lemmings and Snakes: they eagerly collaborate with the villain because they think his campaign of terror and genocide are just causes. Whether it's out of hate, fanaticism, or ignorance, they prefer the villain's despotism to a more benevolent regime. Usually, they're harmless once the villain is dethroned: their prejudice comes out only when the bad guys are in power.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DyingLikeAnimals

Main reason I pity em is knowing what HAPPENS to such folk once the power they lofted onto the throne gets there and dares not leave such dangerous idiots laying around for someone else to manipulate against them.

If you really wanna understand em, enough to sandbag the hell out of em anyways, Niki can provide you with lots of info regarding RWA behavior and psychology, and I also reccommend you do a little historical research on former tyrants and how they got into power in the first place, with a side order of the french revolution and the reign of terror, which is the mirror-match evil of LWA pyschology and behavior.

But yeah, verily, I do believe them to be insane, dangerously so, and a far more clear and imminent threat to our nation, our people, than a bunch of goat herding shitheads a couple thousand miles away mostly residing in caves and villages without even electricity.

-Frem

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Monday, August 15, 2011 1:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Here's the really weird thing - the teabaggers here don't support Ron Paul. Iowans do, but not the teabaggers here. They'd rather support Bachmann, or Palin, or ... anybody else.

1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%)
2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)




In fairness, though, Kane and Wulfie are both Ron Paul supporters.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 3:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, you tea-bagging fuckwits on the right seem to lap that shit right up. Y'all are sucking up to the tea parties like Ms. Bachmann going for a corndog.



Gettin' mad yet, Mike?



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, August 15, 2011 4:37 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by 1kiki:







Michelle Bachmann goes after the Rance Burgess vote.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 7:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:


Gettin' mad yet, Mike?



Not at all, but I seem to have touched quite a nerve with you.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 12:37 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do
Geezer, you're beginning to sound like a Raptor wannabe or something. As far as calling people "terrorist", or "terrorist sympathizer", that has become common on both sides, it's nothing new. Here's just a few:

2002, re a raid on a medical marijuana clinic:
Quote:

McColl also criticized the White House's anti-drug advertising campaign, which was broadcast first during the Super Bowl. The campaign's message is that money used to buy drugs may benefit terrorists.

``He's barely gotten going, and he's already blaming America's teen-agers for terrorism,'' he said. ``He's barely gotten going, and he's already blaming America's teen-agers for terrorism,'' he said.

2006:
Quote:

President Bush ratcheted up his campaign offensive against Democrats on Tuesday with perhaps his bluntest rhetoric yet as he accused them of being "softer" on terrorists and willing to allow attacks on Americans rather than interrogate or spy on the nation's enemies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006
100301391.html
along the line of "terrorist sympathizers", if you will.

No date on this one:
Quote:

President George W. Bush wasted no time in reacting to pop star George Michael's arrest on drug charges this weekend. Mr. Bush called Mr. Michael a terrorist for "aiding and abetting groups like al Queda by purchasing and consuming illegal drugs." http://www.pugbus.net/artman/publish/printer_02272006_georgemichael.sh
tml
]
2004:
Quote:

Members of the Hillsborough County Republican Party on Wednesday denounced a labor union protest that erupted in their Tampa office the day before and labeled protesters' tactics as "brownshirt" and "terrorist." http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/07/Hillsborough/Republicans_criticize.s
html

2004:
Quote:

Education Secretary Rod Paige called the nation's largest teachers union a "terrorist organization" during a private White House meeting with governors on Monday.
"These were the words, 'The NEA is a terrorist organization,'" said Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle of Wisconsin http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-08.htm

2008:
Quote:

Senator Gordon Smith, Republican from Oregon, joins Senators Olympia Snowe, Norm Coleman and Susan Collins, in distancing themselves from the automated calls being used by the McCain-Palin campaign, meant to link Senator Obama to the activities of Professor William Ayers and the Weather Underground. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/four-gop-senators-disavow-ayers-terrori
st-robocalls

2008:
Quote:

The Pennsylvania Republican Party has released a press release criticizing Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) ties to former 1970s radical Bill Ayers and calling the Democrat a "terrorist's best friend." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2099675/posts
2008:
Quote:

Prosecutors in Ramsey County, Minn., have formally charged eight alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee -- one of the groups organizing protests at the GOP convention in St. Paul -- with terrorism-related charges, The Times' P.J. Huffstutter reports.
Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge, which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty they could face. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/rnc-protesters.html

2009:
Quote:

A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists." A homosexualist Republican group is lobbying GOP chairman Michael Steele to turn a deaf ear to pro-family activists, who the group leader labeled in a letter "Anti-American" and "domestic terrorists."
2010:
Quote:

Appearing on MSNBC's Meet the Press Sunday, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is a "high-tech terrorist" and should be prosecuted http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/06/gop-leader-mitch-mcconnell-calls
-wikileaks-founder-a-hightech-terrorist
/

2010:
Quote:

A Republican Senator in South Carolina is making headlines after he was quoted making a racial slur about The President, calling him and a candidate for governor a “Raghead.”
2011:
Quote:

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill compared lawmakers trying to block raising the debt ceiling to "al Qaeda terrorists."

"The people who are threatening not to pass the debt ceiling are our version of al Qaeda terrorists. Really," O’Neill, Treasury secretary in the Republican administration of George W. Bush, said Wednesday in an interview with Bloomberg Television's InBusiness with Margaret Brennan. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/157999-former-bush-of
ficial-gop-like-al-qaeda-on-debt-ceiling

If we wanted to get real, we'd recognize it's a visceral term many who want to rile people up use conveniently. If we got less riled up, we'd have better perspective and be able to discuss ACTUAL issues. Name calling is nothing new.

How about this one, while we're at it, here's a cutie from a Republican Senator:
Quote:

“We've already got a raghead in the White House, we don't need another raghead in the governor's mansion.” http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/04/republican-senator-calls-president-o
bama-a-%e2%80%9craghead%e2%80%9d
/




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Monday, August 15, 2011 12:40 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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I've noticed an interesting pattern - in Rap, Wulfie, Geezer and a few others - they come and make all sorts of claims, yet when challenged with facts or to back up their claims, they disappear - only to reappear later in another thread with the same spew. Liberals OTOH seem happy to discuss facts all day long. I think this goes beyond 'How Facts Backfire' and political partisanship to a basic relationship with the world.
Oh, gosh, Kiki, you're just noticing that NOW? (teasing) Yes, it's a pattern that has been here a long time, never changes and never will. Welcome to RWED!

There's also the fact that the same people utilize the same pejoratves over and over and over until it's pathetically boring, but you've probably noticed THAT by now, too.


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Monday, August 15, 2011 1:35 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Jehosiphat, Geezer! Mike said
Quote:

Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done
To which you responded
Quote:

Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'.
Then went on to claim
Quote:

you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.
He DIDN'T, and you twisting it around doesn't make it so. Talk about twisting things, that's absurd!




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Monday, August 15, 2011 4:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Speakin of teens-as-terrorists...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/50-Kids-Rounded-Up-in-Curfew
-Crackdown-.html


Yeah, cause no one over eighteen ever rioted and no one under eighteen ever worked nights, riiight ?
Stupid fuckers, collective punishment is always, ALWAYS, an act of tyranny.

They even admit this, that it's being enforced against the innocent as a weapon.
Quote:

"We need to stabilize the situation but I hope what it does for kids that aren't involved in this sort of thing is that they apply peer pressure to those that are," said Ramsey. "The reason they're impacted is because of the few that are out there causing problems."

And of course, THIS, which makes me wanna puke.
Quote:

Many residents agree with the city's actions however, saying a drastic move was necessary to calm fears and stop the violence.

Just like damn fools supported Zero-Tolerance against kids, and when it came around to THEM at the airport, scream a hissy, to which I have Zero-Sympathy, cause if you let em do it to their less-than-human "test market", and get away with it, they WILL wind up doing it to YOU.

This particular issue holds a special bit of hatred from me, as ever since I bagged up a GED at sixteen I hadda dodge the fuckin truant cops to get to my day job, and the curfew cops to get to my night shift, and how bullshit is that ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


Jehosiphat, Geezer! Mike said
Quote:

Calling the other side "terrorists" is also something both parties have done
To which you responded
Quote:

Parties, or Congresspersons? Sure, bloggers and pundits on both sides throw around insults and accusations like...well...you do, but I'd be interested in cites of Republican members of Congress caling Democrats 'terrorists'.
Then went on to claim
Quote:

you tried to conflate 'parties' with congressmen, and when called on it you went to your usual "I didn't really say that" crap.
He DIDN'T, and you twisting it around doesn't make it so. Talk about twisting things, that's absurd!





Thanks for noticing, Niki - I didn't think I was the only one who realized that Geezer was busily conflating my words while claiming I was conflating his.

I've explained to Geezer in the past, more than once, more than twice, that I choose my words very carefully. It seems quite obvious to me that he is incapable of responding to what I've actually SAID, and feels the need to respond to what he was HOPING I'd say.

He seems to have taken up residence in RappyWorld™ recently.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, August 15, 2011 5:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Oh, gosh, Kiki, you're just noticing that NOW?"

Well, ahhh ... it was pretty obvious with Rappy and Wulfie, but what I just realized is how GENERAL it is. Every single one of them I can think of routinely bails in the face of facts. It's a very strange and consistent mental tic.

So I've been thinking about it and I think it traces to deeply rooted beliefs that don't square with reality - flawed beliefs that, despite their obvious falseness, can never be given up.

Now, people come to their beliefs in different ways. I suspect that Geezer and Jong just grew up with them.* Wulfie needs his beliefs to satisfy his emotional trauma. Rappy likes his beliefs b/c they justify what he wants to do anyway, which is to be the greediest, most selfish person he can possibly be.

Why that clinging to belief in the face of reality should happen to sort itself into a group of conservatives where the beliefs are unrelated but seem to travel together is something to think about.


*BTW - a recent study has shown that if you want to lie to a kid don't pretend something, just tell them the story - there is an invisible old white man with a white beard who lives up in the sky and watches everything you do - they'll believe the words. This is consistent with the 'covered box' experiment SignyM posted in the past - children will hew to the procedure you've told them even after the box has been uncovered and they can see that certain knobs and levers are unattached and don't work - but they will continue to use them. B/c that is what you told them. Obviously they will not believe their own lying eyes.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 5:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Speakin of teens-as-terrorists...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/50-Kids-Rounded-Up-in-Curfew
-Crackdown-.html


Yeah, cause no one over eighteen ever rioted and no one under eighteen ever worked nights, riiight ?
Stupid fuckers, collective punishment is always, ALWAYS, an act of tyranny.

They even admit this, that it's being enforced against the innocent as a weapon.
Quote:

"We need to stabilize the situation but I hope what it does for kids that aren't involved in this sort of thing is that they apply peer pressure to those that are," said Ramsey. "The reason they're impacted is because of the few that are out there causing problems."

And of course, THIS, which makes me wanna puke.
Quote:

Many residents agree with the city's actions however, saying a drastic move was necessary to calm fears and stop the violence.

Just like damn fools supported Zero-Tolerance against kids, and when it came around to THEM at the airport, scream a hissy, to which I have Zero-Sympathy, cause if you let em do it to their less-than-human "test market", and get away with it, they WILL wind up doing it to YOU.

This particular issue holds a special bit of hatred from me, as ever since I bagged up a GED at sixteen I hadda dodge the fuckin truant cops to get to my day job, and the curfew cops to get to my night shift, and how bullshit is that ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.




Had a bit of a row with my wife about this on Sunday when we were hearing about it. She took the point of "Well, if that's what it takes to get things under control", and I took the decidedly less artful and ill-advised tack of "Are you out of your fucking mind?! *I* was out after midnight at 16, because I had a fucking JOB to work! You're just punishing people who are working their asses off to try to make their way in life, and all for the actions of a few assholes and the INACTIONS of an entire police force that is clearly unable to do the fucking job their being paid for!"

Sorry, but that news item raised my hackles.


And when she was actually on speaking terms with me again, she agreed I might have a point. A point which was rendered all but moot by my ham-handed assholishness in making it in the first place, unfortunately...

But yeah, there are people who ARE all but on their own, and who ARE just trying to make it without having to be "in the system" where they'd arguably be much worse off in many cases, and they're going to be rounded up and screwed to the goddamned floor by this kind of bullshit.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, August 15, 2011 5:33 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I mean, I haven't heard any Democratic congressperson call Herman Cain a "tar baby" yet. Have you?



Nope, they're just caling their opposition "Terrorists".



Yeah, 'cuz a Republican would never do.... BAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Shit, at least the Dems waited until the teabaggers were threatening to destroy the economy before pulling that one. Republican's were using it as soon as they fucking heard of Obama.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, August 15, 2011 5:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Oh, gosh, Kiki, you're just noticing that NOW?"

Well, ahhh ... it was pretty obvious with Rappy and Wulfie, but what I just realized is how GENERAL it is. Every single one of them I can think of routinely bails in the face of facts. It's a very strange and consistent mental tic.

So I've been thinking about it and I think it traces to deeply rooted beliefs that don't square with reality - flawed beliefs that, despite their obvious falseness, can never be given up.

Now, people come to their beliefs in different ways. I suspect that Geezer and Jong just grew up with them.* Wulfie needs his beliefs to satisfy his emotional trauma. Rappy likes his beliefs b/c they justify what he wants to do anyway, which is to be the greediest, most selfish person he can possibly be.

Why that clinging to belief in the face of reality should happen to sort itself into a group of conservatives where the beliefs are unrelated but seem to travel together is something to think about.


*BTW - a recent study has shown that if you want to lie to a kid don't pretend something, just tell them the story - there is an invisible old white man with a white beard who lives up in the sky and watches everything you do - they'll believe the words. This is consistent with the 'covered box' experiment SignyM posted in the past - children will hew to the procedure you've told them even after the box has been uncovered and they can see that certain knobs and levers are unattached and don't work - but they will continue to use them. B/c that is what you told them. Obviously they will not believe their own lying eyes.




Y'know, I noticed something similar a while back going the opposite direction. I made a statement about the U.S. wars of choice costing us trillions of dollars and costing hundreds of thousands of lives, and Rappy jumped all over that, saying the numbers were inflated, wrong, made up, bullshit, bogus, etc.

And before I could even get back on the computer to post up supporting evidence, I found that many of the left-leaners and self-described libertarians here had done so of their own volition, doing a fine job of making the case I'd set out.

And Rappy, of course, never acknowledged it, never accepted it, never apologized or admitted that he was wrong. He just, as usual, bailed out.

And it IS somewhat of a pattern, on both sides. Challenge a lefty, they'll barrage you with backing evidence. Challenge a righty with evidence, and they'll bail out, claiming you aren't worth their time.

What kind of convictions to these people hold that aren't worth their time to defend with facts and evidence?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, August 15, 2011 7:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Had a bit of a row with my wife about this on Sunday when we were hearing about it. She took the point of "Well, if that's what it takes to get things under control", and I took the decidedly less artful and ill-advised tack of "Are you out of your fucking mind?! *I* was out after midnight at 16, because I had a fucking JOB to work! You're just punishing people who are working their asses off to try to make their way in life, and all for the actions of a few assholes and the INACTIONS of an entire police force that is clearly unable to do the fucking job their being paid for!"

Sorry, but that news item raised my hackles.

And when she was actually on speaking terms with me again, she agreed I might have a point. A point which was rendered all but moot by my ham-handed assholishness in making it in the first place, unfortunately...


Forgive me for laughing (cause I did, you know I did!) but I've been in that particular doghouse so often I oughta pay rent - part of why the law-n-order conservative ex is an "ex", cause while she acknowledes I usually got a damn good point, my refusal to soft-shoe about any of it got on her nerves something awful, unless, of course it was over an injustice done to HER.. pffth, we're all human, right ?

Been there, done that, got a coupla t-shirts.

We'll make an Anarchist of ya yet, Mikey.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, August 15, 2011 7:52 PM

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I think curfews are lame, especially if they apply to kids and not adults too. The only time I can imagine someone even considering a curfew is if there's some sort of disaster and then it should only be for a few days and even then I don't think I'd be okay with it. Sometimes night time is the funnest time to be outside.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Had a bit of a row with my wife about this on Sunday when we were hearing about it. She took the point of "Well, if that's what it takes to get things under control", and I took the decidedly less artful and ill-advised tack of "Are you out of your fucking mind?! *I* was out after midnight at 16, because I had a fucking JOB to work! You're just punishing people who are working their asses off to try to make their way in life, and all for the actions of a few assholes and the INACTIONS of an entire police force that is clearly unable to do the fucking job their being paid for!"

Sorry, but that news item raised my hackles.

And when she was actually on speaking terms with me again, she agreed I might have a point. A point which was rendered all but moot by my ham-handed assholishness in making it in the first place, unfortunately...


Forgive me for laughing (cause I did, you know I did!) but I've been in that particular doghouse so often I oughta pay rent - part of why the law-n-order conservative ex is an "ex", cause while she acknowledes I usually got a damn good point, my refusal to soft-shoe about any of it got on her nerves something awful, unless, of course it was over an injustice done to HER.. pffth, we're all human, right ?

Been there, done that, got a coupla t-shirts.

We'll make an Anarchist of ya yet, Mikey.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.





Oh, yeah - We both laughed about it after. Wife said I went from zero to asshole in about 2.1 seconds, which I couldn't argue with. But then we had a civil discussion about it, and why it doesn't make sense to take such a shotgun approach to what really ISN'T a major problem. You've got what amounts to a few dozen people acting out in a city of a million or more, so you "fix" the problem by punishing everybody under the magical age of 18, with the justification that "what the hell are they going to do about it anyway?".

Shit like this doesn't head off trouble or stop riots; it's often as not the match that sets off the whole powderkeg. But instead of acting out of anger, I wish every 18-year-old in the city would GET ACTIVE - run for office, hound and badger those who ARE in office, and make your voices heard.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA



And how they gonna do that when they don't really have any legal rights till a couple years later though ?
That grey area between 18-21 is another pain in the ass, and one I won't delve into at this time, but it's as rife with it's own set of bullshit being handed all the responsibility of an adult, and few if any of the privledges or abilities, some of which you might freakin NEED...

Oh, and regarding curfew, while they do vet their customers pretty well, Site Three is pretty tolerant about younger folk renting there and does not discriminate against them simply on the basis of age, like a lot of places do - and it's always kind of a brick-passer for these kids the first time they run into me and realize that bit about security in the adverts actually means it, instead of being marketing fluff, usually while walking their dog or something after dark.

Of course, their immediate reaction is usually panic, cause of previous experience with uniformed authority figures and disrespect from their elders, but I have a little meet-n-greet speech I give em, first and foremost with it is that we DO NOT have a curfew here, and the counties curfew DOES NOT APPLY cause this is *private property*, nor would I enforce one for any reason, ever - we don't need one any way cause I am out here keeping watch, and if you live here, you're under MY protection, from anyone and anything up to and including the local law - trying to hassle one of our people, on our property, about their stupid goddamn curfew is one of the few places where I will downright, outright ENGAGE against local law enforcement and they know it, respect it, and leave well the hell enough alone, in part cause nobody wants to find out how far I might take it.

Plus while for legal reasons I cannot say so openly, everybody here damn well knows if you wanna have a brewski or smoke a phattie, long as you ain't making a ruckus or bothering nobody, I don't give a shit - just try to be relatively discrete, and bag up the bottle so I can say I didn't see nothin and not have to lie about it.

I am *NOT* a cop, nor one of those jackboot cop-wannabe types all too common in this business, I don't wanna see your ID, I'd rather not know your name(1), and my ONLY concern is about threats to the people of this place, their stuff, or their comfort, and I take a damn broad view of handling this to the point of escorting the elderly to their car (or even shovelling it out) in the snow, giving you a jumpstart so you can get to work, or any other way I can assist your peace of mind after-hours, cause that's my job, not to mention it eases the boredom which robs one of peak alertness anyhows.

(1) I have my own privacy policy, I know these people only by their unit numbers as a deliberate measure to protect them, because if someone, even with legal force, asks me about any one of em by name - I can flat tell them I don't know without perjuring myself about it, and I stay the hell out of their business to the point of pretending they don't exist unless they call for my aid or attention.

-Frem
PS. One of the reasons the management around here tolerates my quirks is that doing so, and allowing my carte blanche, has sent them from 65% occupancy to a three month waiting list for units as this place has a strong reputation for being one of the few safe, peaceful places to live around here.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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So I've been thinking about it and I think it traces to deeply rooted beliefs that don't square with reality - flawed beliefs that, despite their obvious falseness, can never be given up.
Ever read The Authoritarians, Kiki? It will explain most of that for you; was quite an eye-opener for me. ( http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf) Some fascinating stuff in there, and it describes these guys to a "T".

We've debated it at great length; some find it offensive, some find it just plain wrong, but some of us can't help but recognize the examples of it we've met here.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Plus while for legal reasons I cannot say so openly, everybody here damn well knows if you wanna have a brewski or smoke a phattie, long as you ain't making a ruckus or bothering nobody, I don't give a shit - just try to be relatively discrete, and bag up the bottle so I can say I didn't see nothin and not have to lie about it.





Heheheh... I just "busted" a couple of the guys down the way from my work today smoking one out back. I was walking the dogs, and just ran into 'em down by the creek bed toking away. They looked a little panicked until I told 'em I didn't care and to carry on - I might not smoke myself, but I don't care if anyone else does, and one of the guys owns his own business there and does a damned good job, so what do I care if he smokes a bit? He's got some hard and fast rules about what his employees CAN'T do on his property, which is why they were well away from the building in the first place, and because I just talked to them like they were normal human beings (because they are, of course) while they smoked out and passed it around, my reputation with them is... how you say?... "Solid" [/Niska voice]



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:04 PM

OPPYH


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Originally posted by Kwicko:


Heheheh... I just "busted" a couple of the guys down the way from my work today smoking one out back. I was walking the dogs, and just ran into 'em down by the creek bed toking away. They looked a little panicked until I told 'em I didn't care and to carry on - I might not smoke myself, but I don't care if anyone else does, and one of the guys owns his own business there and does a damned good job, so what do I care if he smokes a bit? He's got some hard and fast rules about what his employees CAN'T do on his property, which is why they were well away from the building in the first place, and because I just talked to them like they were normal human beings (because they are, of course) while they smoked out and passed it around, my reputation with them is... how you say?... "Solid" [/Niska voice]





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