Answer me this.. by Fremdfirma

DALEK!

One is a lawenforcement agency, the other is a news (if you can call it that) agency.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:04 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I definitely get you on the stepping-on-their-toes thing, but there's also this to think about: Even though the FBI and other alphabet goons do it, does that make it okay for others to do it as well?

I mean, a bunch of blue-suited members of the donut Mafia beat the hell out of Rodney King and got away with it, but that sure as hell doesn't make it an okay thing to beat down any random black man.

I'd like to see them hang Rupert high on the basis of the evidence, and then have the Justice Department use the same rationale to go after the FBI for the same crimes. Of course, that will never happen, but in a perfect world...

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, nobody's ever going to go after the Fibbies, but I have no complaint whatsoever if they go after Murdoch. One is the way it's always been and it'll never change, so why bother going after them? The other is indoctrinating people in a way that is damaging our country, England and Australia. Fibbies don't do that...it's another department ...

I don't think they give a damn about their toes being stepped on, does them no harm; may have more to do with it COMING OUT in the open, which the government keeps from happening about their departments. Aside from which, name a country that ever existed which doesn't do exactly the same things in one form or another. It's the way of the world.

Murdoch, TO ME, is new and sets a dangerous precedent.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:19 AM

Is that an actually existing nickname? Fibbies? I've never heard it before.

If you just made it up, I kinda of like that. Kudos.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:05 AM

It's a real nickname, Byte. And it's eerily appropriate, given their history of lying, making shit up, and "testilying"...

ETA: Niki, saying "that's the way it's always been" doesn't really hold much water, though. I understand what you're saying, but I'd rather see the FBI and others go after Murdoch, and then set someone on THEM using the same methods and tactics, because how things are and how things have been isn't working, and everybody seems to know it, and saying it's how things have always been means that nothing ever changes.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:07 AM

I like it! Can we call the CIA the "See-yas?"

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:10 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I like it! Can we call the CIA the "See-yas?"

More like "see-WHY-eh" - As in, CYA, as in Cover-Your-Ass.

But "See-yahs" works, too, given the way they have of making people disappear...

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:35 AM

Both are intriguing.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 7:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, I agree, Mike, 100%; I just feel like it's more realistic to recognize that, with the power they've been given, they're not about to change and I see no way of changing them. So I pay more attention to things I believe CAN be changed, if you know what I mean.

I'm surprised you never heard "Fibbies" before; it's been around forever. I guess I hear it more on TV and in movies than in common conversation, so maybe that's why I'm so familiar with it. Kind of like "chips" for CHP.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:31 PM

DREAMTROVE

Mike,

Damn, you beat me to it.

Nick,

Unclear on the concept much?

Frem,

Yes, they goons who do it around the clock are the ones with the guns.

Fact is, we have to come to terms with the information age, and press the return fire under the second amendment.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:34 PM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Nick,

Unclear on the concept much?

If you are speaking to me, what concept are you referring?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:01 PM

He's asking why a law enforcement agency is not held to the same legal standards as civilians and/or business.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:27 PM

DALEK!

Why? Simple law enforcement is part of the state and self regulations almost never works as well as one would like.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:42 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Fact is, we have to come to terms with the information age, and press the return fire under the second amendment.

Good point. The right to keep and bear arms doesn't ONLY mean firearms! Cameras and computers are powerful weapons in and of themselves!

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Why? Simple law enforcement is part of the state and self regulations almost never works as well as one would like.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Valid point. They SHOULD be held to the same standard, if not a higher one, but what are the odds of that happening?

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:56 PM

DALEK!

You also have the fact that law enforcement can legally tap phones under certain circumstances. The media can never do it legally under and circumstances. So it is easier for people to justify and accept law enforcement do taps illegally then a media outlet.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
You also have the fact that law enforcement can legally tap phones under certain circumstances. The media can never do it legally under and circumstances. So it is easier for people to justify and accept law enforcement do taps illegally then a media outlet.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Thing is, though, that BECAUSE law enforcement can legally do such things, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when they DON'T do it legally. I don't cut cops any slack for breaking the law, because as they so often say, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 7:22 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I see what you mean Quicko, since they are allowed to do it legally they have no excuse for being lazy and doing it illegally and we need to hold them accountable.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:02 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

The government makes a good stab at recording every single communication made by anyone anywhere. Supposedly, we trust them to only decode and listen to or read the important stuff that they have a right to know.

The saving grace is that there is so much material out there that they have no idea how to manage it all.

I think if we ever get a Skynet type AI, it will be built by the NSA, and it will be designed to analyze all this information that is currently recorded faster than it can be managed or processed.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:27 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Anthony, my dad always told me that, that the government can hear everything I say on the phone and see whatever I type on the computer online if they want, usually it just sifts through unless certain buzz words or combinations thereof are detected, then its sent to the people who check such things and they decide whether what I'm saying is a threat or not. I think though that there's so much information going on at any time though that they don't look at it all the time or anything. I don't know how true this theory is but that's what I was always told.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:30 AM