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How politicians lie

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:50 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

In the recent Republican debate, let's see how honest those running for President were:

Herman Cain was asked about his comment that American communities have the right to ban mosques. His response was "That's not exactly what I said. Unfortunately the people who helped you put that together have misquoted me."

From FOX NEWS, July 10: Presidential Candidate Herman Cain on Sunday defended his opposition to a new mosque in Tennessee, expressing his concern about Sharia law and declaring Americans "have the right" to ban mosques in their communities.
.....
Asked whether any community should be able to prohibit a mosque, Cain said they should.

"They have the right to do that..."

2. John Huntsman said that the Obama Administration "has no high-level contacts with China". "We need a strategic dialogue at the highest levels between the United States and China; that is not happening."

Josh Rogan, at Foreign Policy, notes: "As Obama's foreign ambassador to China, Huntsman surely must know that there have been two rounds of the 'US-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue, which was initiated in 2009, led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geitner...in fact, Huntsman even participated in the dialogue in Bejing in may 2010 and wrote a blog post about it, where he said "Clinton and Geitner both told me they viewed the dialogue as a broad success. I couldn't agree more."

Michelle Bachmann to Tim Pawlenty:"When you were governor in Minnesota, you implemented Cap and Trade in our state."

When Pawlenty was governor in 2007, he signed a bill into law that would require a task force to "recommend how the state would adopt a cap-and-trade system", but he did not put a cap-and-trade system in Minnesota.

Hey, worked for them.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Yeah, politicians are very good at lying, although, now that I think about it, are they good at lying if we can all figure out that they're doing it so easily?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 AM

PENGUIN

It comes as natural as breathing to them.

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Yeah, politicians are very good at lying, although, now that I think about it, are they good at lying if we can all figure out that they're doing it so easily?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

That's just it - in the age of YouTube and hi-def phone cams, they've really been shown to be TERRIBLE at it.

And the standard excuse now? Something along the lines of "Anyone who uses footage of me saying this is lying and twisting my words."

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Riona, the answer is because most people won't bother--they just hear what the politician spouts and, if it agrees with what they already believe, they swallow it whole cloth. Those of us who recognize the lies and games for what they are, we're a relatively small minority. It still works just fine for them; I would bet dollars to donuts that the audience hearing those lies at the debate took them as truth and never thought about it a second time.

Information age be damned, you gotta WANT to know what's true or lying works just as well as it has in any other age. If you do, yes, being able to find facts makes a difference. But it's a matter of how many voters WANT to know the truth...can you guess how many? There you go.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:06 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Yep.

Quote:
In his first major interview since polling day, President-elect Barack Obama said last night that upon taking office he would close Guantanamo Bay and ban torture by the American military.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-will-close-guan
tanamo-bay-1021731.html

And...

Quote:
President-elect Barack Obama said on Monday he believed U.S. combat troops should leave Iraq within 16 months of his taking office but he would listen to advice from military commanders.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/12/01/us-usa-obama-iraq-idUSTRE4B0
5IW20081201

Or...

Quote:
Barack Obama said he would consider embracing a single-payer health-care system, beloved by liberals, as his plan for broader coverage evolves over time.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/19/obama-touts-single-payer-syst
em/

But...

Quote:
Obama to Single Payer Advocates: Drop Dead

President Obama’s White House made crystal clear this week: a Canadian-style, Medicare-for-all, single payer health insurance system is off the table.

Obama doesn’t even want to discuss it.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/march/obama_to_single_paye.php

You can always find some examples of people having to change options or opinions. Is it always lying?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:53 AM

BYTEMITE

It is impossible for me to know what the intentions of any politician really is at the time they make a promise. But my only explanation for how the world keeps getting worse, why the trend isn't random but consistent, is that what they DO produce is what they intended all along. That there aren't any compromises, but backroom deals and agreements, and more plans to flush our futures down the tubes.

So I believe, yes, they're lying, often without qualification, and it falls on them to prove me wrong. If they told me the sun was rising in the east, I'd look west. I expect their betrayal.

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