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Meanwhile, back in Libya
Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:45 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: Six months and more than 17,000 air sorties after it began, NATO's Operation Unified Protector in the skies over Libya grinds on. What was envisaged in March as a rapid engagement to prevent Moammar Gadhafi's forces from razing Benghazi to the ground has evolved into a long slog. And increasingly NATO operations have dovetailed with those of the rebels -- with the aim of making pro-Gadhafi forces incapable of offensive action. The initial mandate set out by the United Nations Security Council resolution 1973 was to protect civilians under threat or attack, to enforce an arms embargo on the country and implement a no-fly zone. "What was initially supposed to be a neutral intervention to protect civilians that were threatened specifically in Benghazi has morphed into being largely a one-sided affair to support the Libyan rebel force to overthrow Gadhafi," says Micah Zenko of the Council on Foreign Relations. ..... Derek Flood, a journalist and analyst with the Jamestown Foundation, has just spent several weeks in western Libya. "I found the rebels had become almost overly dependent on NATO to the point they wouldn't act without NATO actually softening up the targets first." ..... There appears to be growing coordination between NATO and rebel military commanders. Video footage emerged at the beginning of this month of a column of rebel tanks and pickup trucks, outside the city of Brega in eastern Libya, daubed with orange paint to distinguish them from government forces and ensure they weren't erroneously bombed. ..... NATO's mission has shifted in another way. After hitting more than 3,000 military targets -- from ammunition dumps to tanks to radar and command-and-control facilities -- there are not many more left. So it has turned to the regime's infrastructure. The satellite dishes of Libyan state TV were bombed on the grounds that the broadcaster was being used to "incite violence." The radar at Tripoli airport also was taken out, and the sprawling Gadhafi compound in Tripoli has been targeted several times. ..... Zenko says the goal from early on has been regime change, and the latest tactic is to try to cut off all economic and outside supplies to make it cease functioning. ..... NATO's current mandate in Libya expires at the end of September. Its members may yet be asked to extend it once again. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/19/libya.nato.analysis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:25 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:49 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:50 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, August 22, 2011 1:15 AM
DREAMTROVE
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: And when we install a pliant regime, it will sell us oil and take our dollars in return, sell their tons of gold, and borrow a bazillion dollars from the IMF.
Monday, August 22, 2011 1:24 AM
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OLDENGLANDDRY
Monday, August 22, 2011 2:57 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Monday, August 22, 2011 5:05 AM
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Quote:Tribal rivalries, an east-west divide, a rebel leadership lacking coherence, a shattered economy and the absence of a "civil society" -- these are just a few of the challenges that a post-Gadhafi Libya will face.
Quote:Oil prices were mixed Monday as Moammar Gadhafi's regime appeared to be closer to tottering on the brink of defeat. Brent oil, which is tied to the European market, dropped 1% to $107.55 a barrel, while U.S. crude prices rose more than 1% to $83.46 a barrel. The disparity between the two prices is due to the fact that Brent will feel the more immediate impact from Libyan oil coming back online, whereas U.S. prices are more insulated. Dan Dicker, an oil trader for 25 years and the author of "Oil's Endless Bid: Taming the Unreliable Price of Oil to Secure Our Economy" {said} "I see the price coming down on Brent as more of a knee jerk reaction," said Dicker, estimating that it will take a long time for Libyan oil to flow back into the market. "You're not going to see a barrel of oil from Libya for at least a year." http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/22/markets/oil_libya/index.htm?hpt=hp_t1
Quote:In March, a set of constitutional amendments that paved the way for elections was overwhelmingly approved in a referendum that drew record numbers of voters. But anger over what many demonstrators saw as the military's loyalty to the core of Mr. Mubarak's government and the slow pace of change led to new mass protests and violence in April. Economically, Egypt is struggling, as a system whose inequities and lack of opportunities helped topple a government, has now ground to a virtual halt, further wounded by the revolution itself. The military's 18-member ruling council said it would hand over legislative powers after the parliamentary election in September 2011, and that executive powers would be transferred after the presidential election, which will be held by November. Many of the younger leaders of the protest movement worry that the long established and well organized Muslim Brotherhood could dominate voting, although the Brotherhood insists it does not want to become the ruling party. The prospect of Egypt’s first open election in the fall has prompted a wide-ranging debate over radically divergent economic proposals. They include deep cuts to the bloated government work force and vast public subsidies, a leftist re-expansion of the state’s role in the economy, and the Muslim Brotherhood’s plan to impose a 7.5 percent income surtax on all Muslims to fulfill their religious mandate to give to charity. But the campaign has also revealed internal divisions within the Brotherhood, as the unifying sense of opposition to a secular dictatorship fades and various factions — including two breakaway political parties and much of the group’s youth — move toward the political center. Politically, the country remains fragile. In late June, a peaceful protest in Tahrir Square turned into a night of clashes between the police and protesters in which more than 1,000 people were injured. The turmoil, which seemed to take almost everyone by surprise, showed that almost any spark can ignite simmering tensions. Among the protestors, a unity of purpose has given way to a multiplicity of demands, mirroring the divides that beset Egypt’s political life. ..... {Recent developments:}June 29 A night of fighting between demonstrators and security forces made clear that there were differences not only between the government and protesters, but between those who want faster change and those who are growing weary of the post-revolutionary tumult. ..... July 12 In a summer of discontent, thousands of protesters have returned to Tahrir Square; everywhere in Egypt, it seems, expectations— about who should rule, how they should rule and who should decide the way they rule — have not been met. ..... July 29 Tens of thousands of Egyptian Islamists poured into Tahrir Square and called for a state bound by strict religious law. They delivered a persuasive show of force in a turbulent country showing deep divisions and growing signs of polarization. ..... Aug. 1 Central Tahrir Square was forcibly cleared of the remnants of the three-week-old sit-in protesting the slow pace of change since the revolution, with hundreds of Egyptian troops and security police officers shredding tents, arresting dozens of protesters and sending about 200 others fleeing into nearby streets as the Ramadan holiday was about to begin. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/egypt/index.html also:Quote:Witnesses discussed the role and influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and militant Islamic groups, as well as the increase in violent attacks targeting Coptic Christians and their churches. The Commission also heard about reports of disappearances, forced conversions and forced marriages of Coptic Christian women and girls.It's not over 'till it's over, anywhere in that area. And how long before it's over is anyone's guess.
Quote:Witnesses discussed the role and influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and militant Islamic groups, as well as the increase in violent attacks targeting Coptic Christians and their churches. The Commission also heard about reports of disappearances, forced conversions and forced marriages of Coptic Christian women and girls.
Monday, August 22, 2011 6:25 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Geezer, you sound like a disappointed lover!
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:11 AM
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Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:33 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:08 PM
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:17 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: If the new PTB don't govern evenhandedly, then Libya will just be set up for another power see-saw. And I suspect that the new PTB will wind up taking loans from the IMF and/or the World Bank. I hope not, because that is the road to ruination.
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1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
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