Picture Sharing is Free Speech, but School Vows to Fight Liberty by AnthonyT

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Picture Sharing is Free Speech, but School Vows to Fight Liberty

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Thursday, August 25, 2011 03:31
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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:39 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/19/racy.pictures.protected.speech/index.
html?hpt=hp_bn1

Hello,

From the article's opening lines:

Quote:
"An Indiana school district might appeal a summary judgment that said it violated two students' First Amendment rights by punishing them for posting racy photos to social networking sites, the district's lawyer said."

I found this abominable:

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"Churubusco High School's code of conduct says activities in or out of school that could "dishonor" the school are punishable, but the opinion questions the policy's constitutionality."

I wonder if there is a similar conduct code that says activities by the school that "dishonor" students are punishable?

Probably not.

--Anthony

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“They have a word for people like us. They call us 'children' and they treat us like mice."

--Valentine, from Ender's Game, by Orson Scott Card

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Waiting for Frem's head to explode in 5... 4... 3...

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:18 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Obviously they should get in trouble if they're doing it during school time while they're at school. But what they do on their own time isn't the school's business especially if its a public school. Its possible that a private school could kick them out or punish them for moral turpitude, but public school has no business doing so if it was done on the kids' own time. Its them and their parents who are concerned if its not during school hours.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I find this interesting:
"One of the major issues in the case was whether the girls' pictures qualify as a substantial disruption to school operations, which would then not be protected speech. Simon's opinion said the photo shoots, conducted off school property without portraying any school insignia and not shared with the wider school community, were not such a disruption."

I guess there are limits to free speech. It's all fun and games till somebody gets hurt? What about public teachers posting legal but distasteful photos on their own time? (in the courts) What if it's a private-sector employer? (you are so fired) Man, you have to have a law degree before you do anything.

This whole thing reminds me of a parable from the Gospel of Thomas - you have become as the Pharisees, for you either love the fruit and hate the tree, or hate the fruit and love the tree.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:43 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

If I had my way, all personal-time speech would be absolutely inviolable. If a company wants to control what you say when you go home, they should be forced to pay you for every hour of your speech that they want to control.

And teachers would be able to do porno movies and attend S&M parties in their off-time as long as they did nothing objectionable WHILE AT WORK.

Unfortunately, the world does not seem to share my broader views of freedom.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Waiting for Frem's head to explode in 5... 4... 3...

2... 1...

Honor, huh ?
Once again here we are trying to enforce our own bizarre form of Sharia Law onto kids, and it really does always come back to the same place.

In order to admit that children have human rights, we must FIRST force society to admit that children are human - not less-than, not subhuman, not pets or objects, but PEOPLE.

And until we do that, we're gonna wind up fighting this same fight over and over and over again, treating tuberculosis with nyquil, mitigating the symptoms instead of curing the root cause.

"Win the battle, lose the war, choice of evils lies before you..."
Orc battle song from LoTR

But do that, force social admission of childrens humanity, their personhood, and this bullshit goes away entire, in one fell sweep.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:49 AM

KWICKO

And that's why I held my tongue - I knew good and damn well that Frem was going to say it so much better and more clearly than I could on this matter. And Anthony as well.

I might also bring up Anthony's reference in another thread to the idea of triage; is this really a fight the school district wants to spend its very limited funds fighting? I might be wrong, but I'm guessing that lawyers cost more than teachers; do they really want to pay teams of lawyers to keep fighting this fight, even though they've already been rebuked?

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Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:42 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yep, both sides fighting a pointless fight while the real issue is actually decided elsewhere.
Which is why I quoted what I did.

(Warning: Contains bad animation, epic hammery

)

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:31 AM

DREAMTROVE

This thread needs pics

Pity Kaneman isn't around to appreciate it.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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