Herman Cain: Blacks are Brainwashed by Niki2

America loves a winner!

He's absolutely right. The black community in the US has been kept on the govt plantation mindset for decades now. What do they have to show for it ? Crumbling inner cities, fewer and fewer 2 parent families, higher drop out rates, and the highest unemployment rate.

Sometimes, facing the ugly truth may seem counter intuitive, but that's only if the world view you're clinging to based in reality. Or you're just too full of false pride to admit that what you've been doing is 180 degrees wrong from what you want to be true.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:10 AM

lol.....

Talk about brainwashing....

This post spews Liberal brainwashing.

Look at my history here, before you were ever posting.

Granted, I'm independent with Repub leanings, but during the Bush years, I was the biggest Bush basher here.

Reasons:

1. Bush ran the highest per/yr deficit by far than any president before him.

2. Bush started unconstitutional wars.

After all of his promises of change, what has Obama done? I'll tell you.

1. Obama ran the highest per/yr deficit by far than any president before him.

2. Obama started unconstitutional wars.

If we care at all about our future, and our grandchild's future, we'll vote Ron Paul for 2012.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:20 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

6ix: "spews liberal brainwashing"?!? One sentence contradicting Cain's ridiculous remark? That's brainwashing? Whew! You've got a pretty low threashhold for what you consider "brainwashing"!

On the other hand, good for YOU for seeing the idiocy in both parties, I think that's great!

On the OTHER hand...Ron PauL?

Not a chance in hell!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:29 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Granted, I'm independent with Repub leanings, but during the Bush years, I was the biggest Bush basher here.

Uh.... right.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Granted, I'm independent with Repub leanings, but during the Bush years, I was the biggest Bush basher here.

Uh.... right.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Uh.... right?????

Show me a post here where I didn't say Bush was the biggest D-Bag I knew.

Sorry I haven't been around for the Obamabash.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:45 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
1. Obama ran the highest per/yr deficit by far than any president before him.

In big part due to the economic crisis, which reduced reveinus, that he stepped into.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
2. Obama started unconstitutional wars.

Which wars are those?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:50 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
2. Obama started unconstitutional wars.

Which wars are those?

It's not a 'war' unless Congress declares it so, right ?

Libya, I believe, is what is meant.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
1. Obama ran the highest per/yr deficit by far than any president before him.

In big part due to the economic crisis, which reduced reveinus, that he stepped into.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
2. Obama started unconstitutional wars.

Which wars are those?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Dude... I know it. I felt the same way when Bush took the reins from Clinton. It was like being passed a hand and foot full of spinning plates that were bound to fall. Had Clinton not sold us out to China to run a surplus on his watch, we wouldn't be in this mess financially today and we wouldn't be buying our walmart and target furniture from China today.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/24/obama_s_unconstitutio
nal_war

As for the war, read above. I've missed as much news as I could possibly try to, but unconstitutional wars usually don't miss my radar regardless.

Obama didn't start the fire, but he sure as shit didn't stop it like he promised.

Change...... bah!

All Obama is, is GWB with a printing press on steroids and a gullible idiot public behind him.

Obama is a left wing Bush with a brain. Both of those things are scary.

Dale Carangie taught me that you can't dig in your heels and fight a topic. I'll just say to you all that everything you said about Bush to a greater or lesser degree is right. I just hope you understand that most of those things can also be said about Obama as well.

God help us all when a Republican gets back in office and not only has the powers that GWB amassed, but he also has the powers that Obama gained above those, and even pushes further him/herself......

God help us all....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:15 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

How did Clinton sell us to China to run the surplus?

Regarding Libya, is disagree that it was unconstitutional. The President is the commander and chief of the armed forces. The war powers act, nor congresses ability to declare war overrides that.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:55 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
Obama started unconstitutional wars

Really? That's a "war"? And he "started it" all by himself? Wow, I must have missed something along the line... Oh, and what warS did he start? Missed that, too...

But yes, absolutely:

Quote:
God help us all when a Republican gets back in office and not only has the powers that GWB amassed, but he also has the powers that Obama gained above those, and even pushes further him/herself......

God help us all....

Yes, and for more reasons than that. Given the candidates the right has put up, IF any of them got into office, gawd help us for SURE!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:02 AM

America loves a winner!

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Given the candidates the right has put up, IF any of them got into office, gawd help us for SURE!

Agreed. We can all HOPE that the socialists will become an endangered species.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:07 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

If any of the current candidates got into office, this country would be screwed beyond repair...and the fact that you and your buddies WANT one of them in office is all that needs be said about stupid voters. You can't even come up with cogent arguments at the best of times...THEY can't even find reality!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:13 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I see where Kane is coming from. If someone who happens to be African-American votes or views things differently than his same-ethnicity comrades there seems to be backlash against him or her. My best friend's sister is a conservative, she is half black, half Samoan, but her physical traits show more of the African lineage. She's so sick of people expecting her to believe a certain way because of her physical appearance and/or where her ancestors came from. She's just Karasalla, she isn't a box to be checked and she has every right to believe how she wants to believe and not be lumped into a box just because.

So one day I was listening to the radio and there was a clip of congress having a discussion. A congressman who is African-American and conservative spoke about something, then a California congresswoman (Barbara Boxer I think) basically interupted him twice saying something to the tune of "Surely you don't mean that" or Surely you just don't understand" in a disgustingly patronizing fashion that oozed an attitude of "you're African-American, how could you possibly have a different opinion than the other African-Americans I know". She didn't come out and say it but her tone was narrow-minded and patronizing, as though she were correcting a child. It pissed me the rut off. Maybe that's what Kane is thinking of.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:52 PM

America loves a winner!

Citizen CAIN, ( not Kane, btw ) doesn't suffer fools like Boxer or Maxine Waters very well. And counter to what the Rev. King taught, the Congressional Black Caucus cares more about the 'correct' political view point, and not so much about content of character.

Being 'black' isn't about skin color, it's about adhering to a certain social/ political agenda.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:28 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Well, it's at least a little bit refreshing to hear him admit that he's not open-minded and has been brainwashed.

He *IS* still black, isn't he? Or is he trying to set himself well apart from "them" with his remarks?

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
2. Obama started unconstitutional wars.

Which wars are those?

It's not a 'war' unless Congress declares it so, right ?

Libya, I believe, is what is meant.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

And how many troops do we have there?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I'm fortunate. Noone expects certain behavior, likes, preferences from me based on where my ancestors happened to come from. I can like whatever I want. I can like stereotypically "white" things, I can like stereotypically "black things, I can like Japanese things or Jamaican things or Icelandic things and no one says anything, or gives me dirty looks to the contrary. My what freedom I have. But it makes me sad that other people don't all get those privelidges, isn't that the whole point of equality? I don't like the idea of anyone being pidgeonholed into doing certain things because others do them who happen to be ancestrally and physically and culturally similar to them.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:15 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Voting statistics clearly show an extremely strong favoritism by Blacks to vote for Democrats over the last few decades. Cain has concluded that's brainwashing. I think he did himself great harm with this specific comment. He needs to court and convince Blacks to vote for him and his conservative beliefs, not belittle them.

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Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:46 PM

*snort*

While McKinney and Waters may not be the most honest folk on the planet, or the most sane, despite Rappys obligatory mandated dislike of them, most of the REASON they are pariahs is questioning things which SHOULD be questioned, and calling folk out on their behavior.

I am particularly amused by Waters comments in regard to them damn teabag morons.
"This is a tough game. You can’t be intimidated. You can’t be frightened. And as far as I’m concerned, the ‘tea party’ can go straight to Hell . . . and I intend to help them get there."

Betty McCollum is also a little dear to my heart, for pitching the AIPAC rep all but bodily out of her office in response to him calling her antisemetic and a terrorist supporter due to her refusal to bow down to whatever their latest set of extortionate demands were - and for a fact McKinney doesn't care for the bastards either, something which, in combination with her race, gender and hostilty towards us being their fucking doormat, had more to do with her being run out of office than any actual gripe (of which there we no few legit ones).

And just cause, as one might recall, I promised to do it....

Oh, and "uncle" herman can kiss my ass, if he's stupid enough to shill for the american version of the klan, he deserves what'll happen to him for it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, September 30, 2011 2:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Voting statistics clearly show an extremely strong favoritism by Blacks to vote for Democrats over the last few decades. Cain has concluded that's brainwashing. I think he did himself great harm with this specific comment. He needs to court and convince Blacks to vote for him and his conservative beliefs, not belittle them.

And yet Rappy still wonders why I consider Cain an idiot.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, September 30, 2011 2:21 AM

America loves a winner!

Who are more brainwashed?

Blacks who continue to vote Democrat, or women who openly support Sharia law ?

It's a toss up.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 30, 2011 2:27 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Cain's no idiot, but he does need to learn at some point how the media, culture, and politics all mix together in a usually vile and destructive way. It doesn't help to throw gas on the fire. Still he gets my vote in the upcoming Fla primary, and I'd love nothing more than to potentially see him debate either Obama or Biden next year if he can get on the ticket.

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Friday, September 30, 2011 4:27 AM

KIRKULES

Everybody knows that all black people think exactly like Barack Obama, it's genetic. Herman Cain is obviously just a rich white guy wearing black face. Don't be surprised when he breaks into a chorus of Mammy at the next debate.

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Friday, September 30, 2011 5:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Who are more brainwashed?

Blacks who continue to vote Democrat, or women who openly support Sharia law ?

Tea-baggers who continue to vote for neo-con Republicans.

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Friday, September 30, 2011 10:39 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Herman Cain, who won't have Muslims in his cabinet, thinks Blacks are brainwashed, and won't read a bill over three pages long? Are you kidding??

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, September 30, 2011 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Who are more brainwashed?

Blacks who continue to vote Democrat, or women who openly support Sharia law ?

"Atheists" who continue to support tea-bagging Republicans. They're the most brainwashed of all.

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Saturday, October 1, 2011 2:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Everybody knows that all black people think exactly like Barack Obama, it's genetic. Herman Cain is obviously just a rich white guy wearing black face. Don't be surprised when he breaks into a chorus of Mammy at the next debate.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Sunday, October 2, 2011 2:09 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
How did Clinton sell us to China to run the surplus?

Regarding Libya, is disagree that it was unconstitutional. The President is the commander and chief of the armed forces. The war powers act, nor congresses ability to declare war overrides that.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

You WHAT?????????

This was a HUGE talking point for the Dems about GWB and how he got us into wars without congress' consent.......

WTF!!!!!

It was one of the few damn issues I agreed with the Dems about. The only other topics I can think of that I agreed with you about is the freedom for gays to marry in court (and not force a church to recognize it, giving them the tax benefits in the meanwhile) and the woman's right to choose abortion (as long as the dad is in agreement or after 90 days proves himself a non entity entirely).

Now you're trying to flip the script????!!!!!

It's OK when Obama does it?

Bullshit!

EDITED TO ADD:

"In 1999 Clinton signed a landmark trade agreement with the People's Republic of China. The agreement–the result of more than a decade of negotiations–would lower many trade barriers between the two countries, making it easier to export U.S. products such as automobiles, banking services, and motion pictures. The Chinese citizens ability to afford and purchase U.S. goods should have been taken into consideration. However, the agreement could only take effect if China was accepted into the WTO and was granted permanent “normal trade relations” status by the U.S. Congress. Under the pact, the United States would support China’s membership in the WTO. Many Democrats as well as Republicans were reluctant to grant permanent status to China because they were concerned about human rights in the country and the impact of Chinese imports on U.S. industries and jobs. Congress, however, voted in 2000 to grant permanent normal trade relations with China."

FROM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Bill_Clinton_admini
stration#People.27s_Republic_of_China

At least when I was a kid, we knew the cheap shit that you'd get as prizes at the local arcade for tickets was made in Tiawan or Hong Kong.

Today, it's hard to buy anything without "Made In China" stamped somewhere on it.

Let's not forget that not only have they been lacing our kid's toys and our baby's formula with lead, but they've also been stockpiling metals such as steel and copper, let alone gold and silver with all of the dollars we send their way for cheap plastic shit we bought at the dollar store or Wal-Mart

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."

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Sunday, October 2, 2011 4:35 PM

Six, who was in charge of Congress in '99 when that treaty was finalized?

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Monday, October 3, 2011 11:44 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I try to steer clear of the Dollar Store. I admit that there have been a few times, but I avoid it when possible. And I agree that Clinton was in bed with China, that's when they all started making all of our stuff and we became beholden to them. :P

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Six, who was in charge of Congress in '99 when that treaty was finalized?

Are you insinuating that Bush should have stopped it?

Maybe I'm too stupid to know the dates of when the REAL power changed hands? (And I admit, that's a good possibility)

I know that the votes come in early, but really....... Was it Bush? What are you saying here?

It all goes back to things I've said in the past.....

1. I HATED Bush as a president.

2. Until Obama came into office, in my opinion, GWB was the worst president we ever had as a nation.

3. I'm not Rethugh or Demiwantmoreofyourmoneyforfree....

Until there is a legitimate 3rd party, we're all

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

BTW... I love my General Discussion Peeps. If you feel a strong need to judge me on RWED discussions I've had in the General Discussion, I welcome it, but I also say that they are two different worlds......

And while my core never wavers and though I may say things you don't like in the RWED, I'd never say them in General Discussions and I hope you would do the same.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2011 3:19 PM

America loves a winner!

Ut oh... look who's coming to dinner.

Quote:
Herman Cain rises, Rick Perry slides in new CBS News poll

Herman Cain has moved into a tie with Mitt Romney atop the field of Republican presidential candidates, according to a new CBS News poll, while Rick Perry has fallen 11 percentage points in just two weeks.

The poll shows Cain, who stood at just five percent support two weeks ago, now holding 17 percent support among Republican primary voters. That puts the former Godfather's Pizza CEO into a tie with Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, whose support has essentially held steady over the past two weeks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20115655-503544.html

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:24 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Sigh...Cain dropped below Romney like a day later. Keep trying. As for brainwashed, I can't think of a single better example than you...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:19 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just a few things about The Herminator:

Quote:
Herman Cain – or the Hermanator, as he calls himself in his new book – is so confident he'll be elected president on November 6, 2012, he’s already sketched out his first 90 days in office.
.....
Cain’s new book, This Is Herman Cain!: My Journey to the White House, was released on Tuesday, October 4, by Threshold Editions, the conservative imprint of Simon & Schuster. And on the topic of conservatism, Cain says his Supreme Court litmus test will be, “conservative, conservative, conservative".
.....
He believes that “if you mess with Israel, you’re messing with the United States of America. Don’t mess with us. Don’t mess with us. Is that real clear?” On the subject of foreign policy, he says, “I know enough about the importance of supporting one’s allies… You don’t throw your faithful friends under the bus,” as he says President Obama did by demanding a return to the pre-1967 Six Day War borders. [which isn't what Obama did, and which he didn't "demand", either]

He plans on replacing Obamacare with “Caincare,” something he describes in rather glorious and non-specific terms: It’s a “compassionate approach to providing the best possible diagnosis, treatment, and follow-up care for Americans of all ages.” More at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/10/05/Herman-Cain-21-Thing
s-You-Dont-Know-About-Him.aspx#page1, but anyone who writes a book titled his journey to the White House when he hasn't even been NOMINATED is nutbag enough for me to ignore.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:22 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

Sigh...Cain dropped below Romney like a day later. Keep trying. As for brainwashed, I can't think of a single better example than you...

What are you even talking about ? The poll just came out, and Cain's tied for first. We haven't even gotten to 2012 yet, so there's obviously lots of time for candidates to shift places, but the point you clearly are missing is that Cain is rising, ( woo hoo! ) while the likes of Ron Paul will perpetually be mired in obscurity.

Then you obviously can't think very well. Again, should have said no to drugs, all those years ago.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:39 AM

And a few things about Romney.
http://creativeyouth.net/romney.html

But go on, let those dumbfucks nominate him.
I'll get some fucking popcorn, cause soon thereafter, the big show will begin - he'll be lucky if tarred and feathered is the least of it, considering there's also stuff I'm holding back!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:42 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

And a few things about Romney.
http://creativeyouth.net/romney.html

But go on, let those dumbfucks nominate him.
I'll get some fucking popcorn, cause soon thereafter, the big show will begin - he'll be lucky if tarred and feathered is the least of it, considering there's also stuff I'm holding back!

Wow. Someone here sure has delusions of grandeur.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 12:07 PM

How so, the guy's a monster, I can prove it.
And I plan to manipulate others into distributing that fact far and wide by seeding their own partisan stupidity with more effective data than they'd otherwise have.

A plan as simple as running a laser pointer up someones leg and watching the cat go after it, much to their dismay.

But yes, please go right ahead and laugh when I tell you right to your face what I am about to do, keep on laughing and stay invested in that particular denial for as long as you will.

Cause that's EXACTLY what enables me, dumbass - and the delicious irony of it is that even telling you THAT, in the fashion I have, trips your total-denial reflex and successfully prevents you and folks like you from doing a goddamn thing about it.

Moron.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 12:16 PM

America loves a winner!

Yeah, you're a freakin' nut case.

Any doubt ( not that I had any ) of that has been completely removed.

Crazies like you love to phony up fantasies of others being monsters, while ignoring the very real criminals, currently in power.

I knew there were some real screw balls on here. But this ? Hell... this is like a peek into the psych ward.

Good grief.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 12:39 PM

DREAMTROVE

I tend to stay out of these because I think they're internal black society questions, but there is something else going on here worth mentioning.

A friend of mine who is a black libertarian and small business owner told me his reason for voting democratic, even though he felt politically aligned with the Tea Party. Basically, he said "even though I may not agree with their [democrats] policies, I know a lot of people like me who are on public assistance, programs that I know the democrats will keep running. I don't want to be the jackass that throws his friends out on the street."

And I see his point. The same goes for Latinos and the recent republican idiocy: Latinos won't vote for you, not because they're illegal immigrants, but because 1 in 4 latinos are, and each latino knows more than four other latinos.

So, yeah, I hear some stock democrat or die nonsense from blacks, but I also hear it from whites, and I hear the same on the other side. But there's also a personal responsibility angle.

For instance, I used to teach high school. I personally think the education budget that was paying my salary is a waste of money not because I didn't like the job or thought it shouldn't be done. I taught vocational school courses, which I think are very important, and should be taught, but I also think the budget is very poorly managed. Still, talk to anyone on the staff and see how they feel about a cut to the education budget. Then see how that affects their voting.

So, yeah, the state spends 25 billion or so on education and could spend a lot less and get a lot better a result, but no one in the field is going to vote for that, because they'll just find their own schools being shortchanged.

Also, worth noting, most of the blacks I've known have been pretty serious christians, and social conservatives. I doubt there's brainwashing, but I can see the black voters being electorally trapped in an alliance with those they ideologically disagree with. I also suspect the answer for them here is not to jump ship, but to pressure the democratic party to bring it closer in line with their ideas, and sometimes that means threatening to jump ship. But that's for them to decide. The entire electorate is continually trapped on that line "do I endanger the victory for the opportunity to pull my candidates in line?" It's a tough one.

If Herman Cain wins I suspect more blacks will vote for him than Mitt Romney, but probably not more than for Obama.

ETA: Re: Romney, he's a corporate raider, plain and simple. He takes things over to sell them for scrap or spend their good name into the ground if he can. He's been doing it for decades, it's nothing new, nor is it an issue of any speculation. It's what he does. It would be like electing Goldman Sachs. I'm not sure why anyone would even go there.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:55 PM

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Yeah, you're a freakin' nut case.

Which is, of course, exactly what I want you to believe.
And now you will dance for me.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, October 6, 2011 5:50 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Same day as your poll showing Cain tieing Romney:

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Mitt Romney has regained first place, winning 25 percent on the poll's match-up of the 2012 candidates, while Perry and Cain tie with 16 percent each. Perry's support has fallen by 13 percentage points and Cain's has increased by 12 percentage points since the last Post/ABC poll in early September.

That was Tuesday. It's Thursday; claiming Cain is #1 depends on the day and the poll, How many others have topped the polls over the past few months? To see the current love affair with Cain as anything more than that is ridiculous.

I say again and will keep saying about both of them: Reread what Raptor wrote in this thread; is there anything there of substance at ALL? One quote about polls; other than that, not a damned thing worth reading. So once again: Why anyone actually tries to communicate with him is silly. Refute him once; move on. Anything else is playing his game.

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Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:22 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Cain just keeps opening his mouth, poor fool:

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If you're dissatisfied with the economy, or unemployed, Herman Cain thinks you should take a long, hard look in the mirror.

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal posted Wednesday, the up-and-coming GOP 2012 contender and former CEO of Godfather's Pizza summed up his bewilderment about recent demonstrations on Wall Street.

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

The conservative radio talk show host described the protests as "planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration, though he admitted he didn't "have the facts to back this up."

Demonstrators have gathered to protest big banks during the "Occupy Wall Street" movement, but their grievances don't end with the economy. The protesters, mainly youth in their twenties, have addressed issues from police brutality to union busting, although they are also upset with the war in Afghanistan, the environment, and the state of the world in general.

The "Occupy Wall Street" movement has also drawn support from unions.

But for Cain, the demonstrations simply amount to "anti-capitalism."

Allowing the banks had a "big part" in the 2008 economic crisis, the candidate, who's known for his bombast and has been rising in national polls pointed out, "We're in 2011, okay?"

"When I was growing up I was blessed to have had parents. That didn't teach me to be jealous of anybody and didn't teach me to be jealous of somebody," Cain explained.

"It is not a person's fault because they succeeded. It is a person's fault if they failed. And so this is why I don't understand these demonstrations and what is it that they're looking for." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/cain-not-rich-no-job-b
lame-yourself/?hpt=hp_t2 "bewildered" about more than just the demonstrations! How does he equate having parents to not being jealous?? And, of course, having (apparently) two parents had nothing to do with his having a leg up on those with one working parent struggling to survive and provide for them. Nah, it's probably those people's fault for being born into a family that either was or became a one-parent unit. Of course. He's such an idiot; at least thank gawd if he keeps opening his mouth, he'll fade as fast as Perry.

The man seems incapable of putting two consistent thoughts together...there are REALLY people stupid enough to want him running the country? I mean aside from our idiot right-wingers here who aren't capable of putting two consistent thoughts together themselves...

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Thursday, October 6, 2011 2:31 PM

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I tend to stay out of these because I think they're internal black society questions, but there is something else going on here worth mentioning.

A friend of mine who is a black libertarian and small business owner told me his reason for voting democratic, even though he felt politically aligned with the Tea Party. Basically, he said "even though I may not agree with their [democrats] policies, I know a lot of people like me who are on public assistance, programs that I know the democrats will keep running. I don't want to be the jackass that throws his friends out on the street."

Unfortunately, somebody has to ween the sheep off the teets of the government someday.

We're just racking up that debt that we can never pay off. It probably costs all of the taxes from our 300million strong collective labor at this point just to pay the interest.

Nobody wants to do it....

Nobody is going to do it....

And when the printing presses are shut down, we're all in for a world of hurt we could never have imagined.

I'm not saying this to try to change anything.... I know I have no power to.

I'm just saying that all of the entitlements given, and our idiot politicians giving them to us to keep their job and not be monsterized in the media will thrust us into the status of a 3rd world nation....

probably in our lifetime

Hope you honored your 2nd amendment rights when that time comes.....

Pop quiz......

Who's going to live longer when the current infrastructure fails?

A) The treehugger who doesn't believe in guns and has a 3 year supply of water and food

or...

B) The psycho without a plan next door who is loaded to the gills with bullets and will simply take what he wants if that time comes?

The problem here is most of you people here in the US have taken for granted that everything we say and do is right and that people are inherently good.

Just wait until people become desperate overnight when the printing presses fail.

You'll see just how good people really are at their core.

And it has NOTHING to do with the color of your skin.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

BTW... I love my General Discussion Peeps. If you feel a strong need to judge me on RWED discussions I've had in the General Discussion, I welcome it, but I also say that they are two different worlds......

And while my core never wavers and though I may say things you don't like in the RWED, I'd never say them in General Discussions and I hope you would do the same.

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Friday, October 7, 2011 1:13 PM

Answers to all my other posts last night, but not this one I see....

Maybe it all made a little sense?

To this day I have my compact Colt 45, which is barely larger than my brother's measly 22.

I've never fired it in 5 years.... not even at the range.

I actually don't like guns, but know that we're only an eminence front away from actually needing them.

It's clean, polished and it's ready, and come hell or high water, or the printing press stoppage, or a zombie apocolyplse, I'm quite ready to protect me and mine.

Anybody stepping into this house on my watch, black or white or brown or yellow or purple, will know they've made a HUGE mistake in short time.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

BTW... I love my General Discussion Peeps. If you feel a strong need to judge me on RWED discussions I've had in the General Discussion, I welcome it, but I also say that they are two different worlds......

And while my core never wavers and though I may say things you don't like in the RWED, I'd never say them in General Discussions and I hope you would do the same.

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Friday, October 7, 2011 4:14 PM

Point of fact, Jack - allies trump firepower.
Yeah, sure, allies WITH firepower are even better, but in a survival situation I prefer allies, especially if they have complimentary skills.

That's a different topic however, if you'd like to discuss it in a seperate thread, right ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, October 8, 2011 5:46 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Because you got no responses in a short time, you think you made sense? Wheew boy, talk about hubris!

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We're just racking up that debt that we can never pay off.

How much of that debt could we pay off if we stopped giving huge corporate interests freebies and loopholes, and how much of that debt could we pay off if we brought the military home and stopped paying their machine to invade other countries? I understand that has no weight with you, but it does with some of the rest of us.

I don't think anyone here, at least that I've noticed, thinks humans are inherently all good. Saying that is a simple lie, as is much of what you posted. You're talking blacks and whites--I hate to tell you, but the world isn't black and white, it's full of shades of grey.

The idea that you think our entire, huge country is suddenly going to turn into one huge battleground isn't even worth addressing. It's just too absurd, and serves no purpose other than letting you make equally absurd predictions. It just doesn't work that way, and never will. At least until mankind has overpopulated most of the WORLD and the struggle for food starts wars, but that's another issue. We aren't thirteen little colonies, nor are we even the kind of country where secession is a question, much as the idiots of some recent states have fantasized. We're interdependent, and...ach, why bother; what you postulate is merely the fantasies of a few kooks who are hoarding guns and food "against the day..." Hard to believe you're that deluded.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Saturday, October 8, 2011 2:10 PM

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Because you got no responses in a short time, you think you made sense? Wheew boy, talk about hubris!
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We're just racking up that debt that we can never pay off.
How much of that debt could we pay off if we stopped giving huge corporate interests freebies and loopholes, and how much of that debt could we pay off if we brought the military home and stopped paying their machine to invade other countries? I understand that has no weight with you, but it does with some of the rest of us.

I don't think anyone here, at least that I've noticed, thinks humans are inherently all good. Saying that is a simple lie, as is much of what you posted. You're talking blacks and whites--I hate to tell you, but the world isn't black and white, it's full of shades of grey.

The idea that you think our entire, huge country is suddenly going to turn into one huge battleground isn't even worth addressing. It's just too absurd, and serves no purpose other than letting you make equally absurd predictions. It just doesn't work that way, and never will. At least until mankind has overpopulated most of the WORLD and the struggle for food starts wars, but that's another issue. We aren't thirteen little colonies, nor are we even the kind of country where secession is a question, much as the idiots of some recent states have fantasized. We're interdependent, and...ach, why bother; what you postulate is merely the fantasies of a few kooks who are hoarding guns and food "against the day..." Hard to believe you're that deluded.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

Nah.... not hubris... just knowing one is completely right about something doesn't predetermine hubris.

So.... you understand that bringing our troops home and tightening tax loopholes for the major (multi-national) corporations here means nothing to me.... is that right?

Show me any posts I've EVER posted that confirm that misguided belief.

I'll forgive that remark because you weren't around when I used to post... but geez....

Don't talk to me again about throwing people blindly into a category based off of things they post about. Frem can tell you that these are two of the things I hated Bush for. The only reason I hate Obama more for them is that his whole platform was based off of stopping these things and he's just a lame duck at best and possibly a very smart guy who's making things worse for all of us at the worst.

As for overpopulation... we're already there sweetheart.

The only reason YOU (and me) don't feel it largely yet is because WE live in a country that we grew up believing had an unlimited printing press.

Sad to say... it's not true. The rise in gas prices was only the beginning.

We're so close to a "third world nation" these days it would make your head spin.

Go ahead and keep thinking that things won't get bad when all the benefits are cut. (BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO BE)

Just don't ask me for any of my rations when that day comes. I'm going to be using them myself and giving some to people I actually care about in my circle of trust who didn't listen to me and need a leg up.

P.S. You have something wrong with your sig or something. Whenever I post (to only you) my letters are grayed out. Not sure if that's on purpose or not.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

BTW... I love my General Discussion Peeps. If you feel a strong need to judge me on RWED discussions I've had in the General Discussion, I welcome it, but I also say that they are two different worlds......

And while my core never wavers and though I may say things you don't like in the RWED, I'd never say them in General Discussions and I hope you would do the same.

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Sunday, October 9, 2011 5:33 AM