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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Not an issue for me. Mormons, for all their kooky ideas and beliefs, are among the most honest and scrupulous humans I know.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Perry, for all his faults, shouldn't have to suffer the slings and arrows for the nonsensical slur scrawled on a rock. That issue is all but evaporated.

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His open borders view, and willingness to send US troops into Mexico ( not just content on beefing up the border ) is what makes him less of a viable candidate, imo.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
The same preacher also called "Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism" cults as well, so this is a real well-informed individual we're talking about here. /snark

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Heard somebody the other day refer to Roman Catholicism as a cult. It ain't-- it's the original true form of Christianity

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1.a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.

3. the object of such devotion.

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.

6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

7. the members of such a religion or sect.

8.any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Don't think those are the definitions being used here, PR.

On dictionary dot com, where you got the other definitions:

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1.a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.

3. the object of such devotion.

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.

6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

7. the members of such a religion or sect.

8.any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

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Those are the ones being used here. Kinda odd, you have to hit the expand button to see them all.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
They mean definitions 6 & 7 , which are the ones I associate with the word " cult".

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They mean definitions 6 & 7 , which are the ones I associate with the word " cult".

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Which does not change the primary definitions one jot.

Also, "considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader" could be applied to several 'mainstream' religions, depending upon point of view. All of them have at least some ideas that are demonstrably false, and holding to said ideas is potentially extremist. There are also plenty of "charismatic leaders" directing their "flock" in most current mainstream religions.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
And historically, the Roman Catholic church is still the first, original Christian faith. Still not sayin' they're RIGHT, and I'm not a member, but they WERE first.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
And historically, the Roman Catholic church is still the first, original Christian faith. Still not sayin' they're RIGHT, and I'm not a member, but they WERE first.

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None of that makes them not a cult.

Even by the definition that mentions "living outside of conventional society" the Roman Catholic church is a cult. The Vatican functions as its own country with its own set of laws. Recall that criminal child rapists who have sanctuary in the Vatican are safe from the law enforcement of any country. I mean, come on, how far outside of "conventional society" can you get?


Not to belabor the point, but they are all cults. Mormonism is a fairly young one, so it might look more wacky than others, but I think there's some kind of quote about stones and glass houses that could apply to any preacher referring to anything as a "cult" in a derogatory way.


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Actually, the preacher said he'd choose Romney over Obama, which just goes to show how shallow his objections really are. He's just saying whatever to help his preferred candidate, predictably he put his foot in it.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm not going to deny that I think Mormonism is really weird and sometimes it creeps me out a little and makes me shake my head like ... What? Most of the Mormons I know and have been friends with are nice people and we could all learn from them when it comes to reaching out and helping in disasters etc. But yeah, I'm pretty baffled about some of the things they believe. Am I a fundy? Well maybe, I guess it depends how you want to define that one. But I don't think a Mormon president would be a problem, I can agree to disagree with her/him on beliefs about God, etc. but what are their stances on the issues? That's what I'd want to know.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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