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Eavesdropping law: class 1 felony for recording cops without permission

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UPDATED: Monday, December 5, 2011 16:50
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Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:07 AM

CANTTAKESKY




Or try this link:

http://tinyurl.com/73cjem3

ETA: Per DT's suggestion, here is written info on the case.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/137745/illinois-man-faces-75-years-in-
prison-for-recording-police/#1


Quote:

Michael Allison recorded video of Illinois police visiting his mother’s home to investigate his unregistered vehicles. Allison recorded the police without their consent while they fined him and impounded his vehicles. Now he faces 75 years in prison for these videos as well as those recorded at a court proceeding related to the case.

And Allison is being prosecuted under archaic laws governing eavesdropping on police. Each of the five counts of eavesdropping would bring him 15 years, as it is a class-one felony in Illinois, which puts Allison’s actions in league with rape.

Of course, police are free to videotape citizens at will.

This has all happened amidst a trend of citizens armed with smart phones recording video and audio of police arrests and encounters. Rochester, New York citizen Emily Good was arrested for videotaping a police arrest outside her home, even though she was on her property (because the officer Mario Masic felt threatened). And, of course, OpenWatch released CopRecorder and OpenWatch Recorder to monitor police encounters.

And on August 26th, in the case Glik v. Cunniffe, U.S. 1st Circuit Court of Appeals issued a resounding and unanimous opinion in support of the First Amendment right to record police actions in public.

Simon Glick had been arrested on October 1, 2007 for videotaping police officers arresting a suspect on Boston Common. He was videotaping the police action because of perceived police brutality, and, like Allison, suffered under the boot heel of an old wiretap law—a law that was never written to govern such citizen action at all.

At least these people are not armed with guns; but as they say, information is power.

To that end, Illinois, like many other states, has sought to apply old eavesdropping and wiretapping laws to new electronic devices like the smart phone.

As Allison told NBC News 2 affiliate’s Patrick Fazio in Illinois, “To call what I did a crime is ridiculous.” Fazio, to his credit, seems to have taken up Allison’s cause and heaped some scorn on the Illinois Attorney General, saying, “The State of Illinois considers it so serious, that the Assistant State Attorney General appeared at today’s court hearing.”

Fazio notes that journalists are exempt from laws prohibiting videotaping of on-duty law enforcement officials while at public hearings, but can still be arrested if they don’t obtain permission from police officers before filming.

Illinois House Republican Chapen Rose actually attempted to introduce legislation that would have overturned the application of eavesdropping and wiretapping laws to smart phones, claiming it can be of benefit to prosecutors as well as defendants.

In a follow-up interview with Fazio, Allison stated, “If their statute says that it was illegal, then their statute is unconstitutional,” and violates seven amendments of the U.S. Constitution: First Amendment — Free Speech; Fourth — Unreasonable Search; Fifth — Due Process; Sixth — Speedy Trial; Eighth — Unusual Punishment; Ninth — Guaranteed Rights; and Fourteenth — Equal Protection.”

Allison has refused a plea deal, hoping that his case will help overturn the application of the law in Illinois and in other states.

Michael Allison is being represented by the ACLU.


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Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:23 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I see a blank space where perhaps a video should be.

-Anthony

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Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:20 PM

DREAMTROVE


Me too. I see nuttin'

It seems appropriate that an open govt. should be illegal to record, and a private citizenry should be spied on without an recourse. I vote we suspend congress. It's a national security risk that we are able to know what they are spending money on. If there's a defense authorization bill, we shouldn't know about it, because then the terrorists win. Perhaps we should permanently abolish the debt ceiling while we're at it. It does seem that if congress has decided that if congress were limited to spending the money they actually have that it would be a threat to national security, and by that logic, so is any limit. Spending should be infinite, and secret. As should the debt. Also, we should dispense with words ending in "illion" they seems to bring unrest to the silly occuhippies and damned tea partiers. I think instead all congressional financial figures should be sited in mathematical notation as per Zimbabwe, ie, the debt is now 4E+13. FOX, CNN and MSNBC viewers can now scratch their heads, and we can get stuff accomplished in Washingon, like major party founders Lincoln and Jackson got things accomplished.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:02 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Tried to fix the link. Also added a new shortened link. Sorry about that.

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Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:37 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Bump, cause this concerns me greatly.

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Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:33 AM

DREAMTROVE


You'd get more response if you posted the text of the Michael Allison story from another source.

You know my feeling on police, having the concept in our society is barbaric. Police fell by the board for me along with socialism in my own analysis of the holocaust, which I now see as not a radical freak event, but a natural outgrowth of socialism, but not implemented by the armed forces, rather, carried out by the police. I've now been reading about the Vertreibung, from 1945-1947 in Soviet occupied Eastern Europe, where ethnic Germans, not people connected to the govt. of Germany, were uprooted from the places their families had lived, in some cases for thousands of years, and placed on a death march to Germany, a place many of them had never been. 14 million were displaced and two million were killed, including in the same concentration camps the Nazis had used to kill jews.

If we don't stop, and weed out the root causes of evil and tyranny this will go on forever. I think it's probably not fair to blame the genocide of '47 on effects of retalliation, I think the Soviets might have done the same thing if they had the upper hand early in the war. Also, it's worth bearing in mind that we would see the same thing in China in '47-49. And so on. I suspect there's one every year, or maybe every two. This year it was the blacks in Libya.

Another thing has been bugging me: Since the end of the cold war, we have been becoming the soviet union. I think this is a direct connection. The US govt. has plenty of elements within it that always wanted to be the USSR, but having russia as an enemy prevented us from doing so. We needed something to sell as an image that made us better than the Soviets, which meant not having that kind of society. Now, we don't, and we're quickly succumbing to that notion of empire of absolute authority.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:22 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Look what I found.

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/17/illinois-judge-dismisses-charges
-against-michael-allison
/

Quote:

Allison, who I first wrote about here, was facing up to 75 years in prison for recording public officials with a digital recorder. Those charges have been dismissed.

“A statute intended to prevent unwarranted intrusions into a citizen’s privacy cannot be used as a shield for public officials who cannot assert a comparable right of privacy in their public duties,” the judge wrote in his decision dismissing the five counts of eavesdropping charges against defendant Michael Allison.

“Such action impedes the free flow of information concerning public officials and violates the First Amendment right to gather such information,” he wrote….

In Thursday’s ruling, Circuit Court Judge David Frankland said that Allison had a First Amendment right to record the police officers and court employees.

The judge also ruled that while it was reasonable to prohibit the defendant from recording in the courtroom, making what Allison did a felony offense was overreaching and irrational.

“The statute [as it is currently written] includes conduct that is unrelated to the statute’s purpose and is not rationally related to the evil the legislation sought to prohibit,” the judge wrote in his opinion. “For example, a defendant recording his case in a courtroom has nothing to do with an intrusion into a citizen’s privacy but with distraction.”

Although some civil rights activists call the decision a small victory, the Illinois eavesdropping law is still in effect.

Great news. And kudos to Allison for refusing to take a plea in the case. I’m not exactly sure where things go from here. I’ll report more on this next week.






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Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:03 AM

DREAMTROVE



Well done. I was looking that and couldn't find it.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, December 5, 2011 2:15 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Glad the charges were dropped, he did nothing wrong, police are people too so its one person videotaping other people and that ain't wrong in the slightest if those other people are out on the street, or coming into your house, especially if those people are in your space.

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Monday, December 5, 2011 2:32 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

For some reason this entire affair reminds me of the movie 'Strange Days.' In the movie, a device designed to allow undercover police officers to record events is declared illegal for public use. The movie's events begin to unfold when someone uses this forbidden technology to record a police officer as he commits murder.

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, December 5, 2011 4:31 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Glad the charges were dropped, he did nothing wrong, police are people too so its one person videotaping other people and that ain't wrong in the slightest if those other people are out on the street, or coming into your house, especially if those people are in your space.

Exactly.

This reminds me of military dictatorships I've lived in. It was illegal to take pictures of just about anyone in uniform, let alone record them. It is the first step to erasing public accountability and hide a multitude of brutal abuses by authorities. Very worrisome that we are there in the USA.

Even though Allison's charges were dropped, I worry about the others who are not represented by the ACLU. Are they free too? I doubt it.

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Monday, December 5, 2011 4:50 PM

DREAMTROVE


I quoted that movie in another threat not too long ago. Guess it's in the public consciousness.




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