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Indiana's Republican Secretary of State Convicted on 6 Felony Counts!

POSTED BY: KWICKO
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Saturday, February 4, 2012 11:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://www.indystar.com/article/20120204/NEWS02/120203035/Jury-Secreta
ry-State-Charlie-White-guilty-6-7-felony-charges?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com



The Republican governor still wants him to be able to keep his job, though. After all, why should a double handful of felony convictions for voter fraud have any impact on his job?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill


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Saturday, February 4, 2012 12:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


“I have chosen not to make a permanent appointment today out of respect for the judge’s authority to lessen the verdict to a misdemeanor and reinstate the elected office holder,” the Republican governor said in the news release. “If the felony convictions are not altered, I anticipate making a permanent appointment quickly.”

Yeah, no need to tell the whole story, is there ?



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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:17 AM

GEEZER

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"The charges stemmed from confusion over where White lived when he campaigned for secretary of state in late 2009 and 2010. White claimed that he lived at his ex-wife's home on the east side of Fishers. But the jury convicted him based on allegations that he actually lived in a townhouse on the opposite side of town that he bought for him and his then-fiancé. The townhouse was outside his Fishers Town Council district."

Maybe he should consult with the Illinois Supreme Court on how to make his residency problems go away, like they did for Rahm Emanuel.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Aww, gee Geeze, the way the story was originally presented, it made it sound as if the sec State was stuffing the ballot box w/ fraudulent votes, or registering illegals with fake SSI #'s or addresses.

But it's not like that at all, is it ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 8:08 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Its so embarassing when my local politicians screw up big time. But what's more embarassing is how few people in my area care.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 8:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm trying to remember how many felony convictions ACORN had against them. Now we have a GOP official with six of 'em, and folks in his party still think he should keep his cushy government job, paycheck, benefits, and pension.

How very expected.


Say, will y'all petition the judge to reduce Blago's convictions to misdemeanors so he can get his job back?



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Monday, February 6, 2012 4:29 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm trying to remember how many felony convictions ACORN had against them.



Since you're throwing open the floor for nomination, how about a couple of recent felony convictions in the D.C. area that did involve taxpayer money.

There's Harry Thomas Jr.:

Quote:

Harry Thomas Jr., then a newly elected council member, hadn’t even taken office when he hatched a scam that eventually fleeced the D.C. government of more than $350,000 intended to help city children.

On Friday, after months of denying any wrongdoing, Thomas (D) pleaded guilty to crimes that will likely send him to prison, closing a chapter on the promising political career of the 51-year-old scion of a prominent D.C. family. “Guilty as charged,” Thomas said simply when asked for his plea, just 15 hours after having resigned his Ward 5 council seat, the same one once held by his father.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-councilman-harry-thomas-jr-plea
ds-guilty-to-felonies/2012/01/06/gIQAkYL9eP_story.html


And Prince George's county executive Jack Johnson:
Quote:

Former Prince George’s county executive Jack B. Johnson admitted in federal court on Tuesday that he accepted a $100,000 check from a developer in exchange for steering federal funds to the builder’s project.

Johnson, 62, who was at the helm of one of the nation’s most affluent majority-black counties for eight years, pleaded guilty to two felony counts, extortion and conspiracy, and witness and evidence tampering during an afternoon hearing in U.S. District Court in Greenbelt.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/jack-johnson-plea
ds-guilty/2011/05/17/AFIofq5G_blog.html


While no charges yet, there's also a Federal investigation of D.C. mayor Vincent Grey's campaign for various irregularities, including promising another candidate a city job if he'd slander then-mayor Adrian Fenty.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/vincent-gray-campaign-
under-vigorous-federal-scrutiny/2011/10/13/gIQAfz0QnL_story.html


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Monday, February 6, 2012 6:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Wow Kwickie! Not just 1 non sequitur, but two ! In one post! Bravo.

At issue here is a simple place of residency , which it sounds as if a very partisan jury sided w/ the Democrats on this matter, and not a ambiguous law.

I mean, it's not like he was caught on video giving advice about establishing a brothel with underage hookers.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 6, 2012 6:32 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm trying to remember how many felony convictions ACORN had against them.



Since you're throwing open the floor for nomination, how about a couple of recent felony convictions in the D.C. area that did involve taxpayer money.



The word you avoided was:

"None."

Glad to help.


Now, you may resume your entirely transparent attempt to pretend your guy isn't a convicted felon.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 6:44 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
The word you avoided was:

"None."



Because it doesn't apply.

Quote:

A Nevada judge on Wednesday gave ACORN, the defunct grass-roots community organization, the maximum fine for its illegal voter-registration scheme in that state.

District Court Judge Donald Mosley was blunt and unsparing in his criticism of the discredited activist group. Citing the long history of voter registration fraud allegations that engulfed ACORN across the country, he slapped the group with a $5,000 fine for violating Nevada election law during the 2008 presidential election.

Mosley, reading the pre-sentence report, listed a series of voter registration fraud allegations against ACORN workers. He said that if the claims have been true, then "It is making a mockery of our election process. If I had an individual in this courtroom...who was responsible for this kind of thing, I would put that person in prison for 10 years, hard time, and not think twice about it," he said. "To me this is reprehensible. This is the kind of thing you see in some banana republic, Uruguay or someplace, not in the United States."

In Nevada, ACORN pleaded guilty to one felony count of unlawful compensation for registration of voters, stemming from an illegal voter registration scheme in its Las Vegas office during in the 2008 race.




http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/judge-gives-maximum-and-fin
es-acorn-5000-for-illegal-voter-registration-scheme/#ixzz1lcYCPXFK


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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:13 AM

STORYMARK


Ah. My bad.

1 for the whole Nationwide organization...

vs.

6 for one corrupt motherfucker you defedned.

Gotcha.

Thanks for clearing that up.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:23 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Ah. My bad.

1 for the whole Nationwide organization...

vs.

6 for one corrupt motherfucker you defedned.

Gotcha.

Thanks for clearing that up.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



One guy whose crime, according to the court, was what ? Wrongly (?) claim his primary residence, vs an absolute corrupt organization whose sole purpose is to stuff the ballot box with fraudulent votes and there by make a complete mockery of the entire voting process, yet the Sec State is the " corrupt motherfucker", and ACORN was just 'misunderstood', or something ?

Talk about absolute bat shit crazy.

WOW.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:50 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Ah. My bad.

1 for the whole Nationwide organization...

vs.

6 for one corrupt motherfucker you defedned.

Gotcha.

Thanks for clearing that up.



Well, Not really. Google "Acorn Felony".

BTW, cite where I "defedned" the guy.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:57 AM

GEEZER

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Oh. And torn from today's headlines.

Quote:

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - A jury on Monday convicted a senior Democrat in the state House of Representatives of all but one of six charges in the latest corruption trial stemming from a five-year investigation of the use of public employees and legislative resources for campaign purposes.

Rep. Bill DeWeese of Greene County was convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest and three counts of theft; the Dauphin County jury acquitted him of one other theft count. His lawyer vowed to appeal, and DeWeese said afterward he would run for re-election this year to retain his southwestern Pennsylvania seat in the Legislature.

Testimony in the trial lasted seven days, and jurors reached their verdict early Monday after taking the weekend off.

Senior Deputy Attorney General Ken Brown, the lead prosecutor, described DeWeese during the trial as "a common thief with uncommon access to other people's money."



So Rep. DeWeese (D) also seems to think he should keep his seat.

But it looks like equal opportunity graft, since the same article notes:

Quote:

So far, 11 Democrats and nine Republicans, including former House Speaker John Perzel, have been convicted or pleaded guilty, while two defendants were acquitted and charges against another were dropped.

The other defendant, former Rep. Stephen Stetler, D-York, is slated for trial later this year.



So the Democrats are up by two, and may pick up another when Rep. Stetler's trial takes place.






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Monday, February 6, 2012 8:21 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Are we scorekeeping whose side has more scumbags now?

Seriously, shouldnt this be one issue where about everyone agrees? I would think that the purging of corrupt officials would be something bipartisan....but i guess not.

Im quite glad that corrupt Democrats get convicted, if they abuse their office, they should pay the price, just like anybody else, regardless of whether or not I agree w their positions and/or policies.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 8:45 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Are we scorekeeping whose side has more scumbags now?



I don't think so.

Just pointing out that he's brushing aside multiple crimes by an elected official while pointing at a single case from a fundraising group - the difference of scale, readily apparent to some - quickly ignored by others.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:03 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Are we scorekeeping whose side has more scumbags now?



Apparently.

Mike opened with a Republican. I bid 11 Democrats, 9 Republicans, and an ACORN.

Story thinks I'm not strong in ACORNs, but here's at least 3 more Acorn employees down for felonies in Wisonsin alone.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/10/acorn-worker-pleads-guilty-to-vote
-fraud
/

Checking Ballotpedia, there seems to have been quite a number of allegations, charges and convictions against ACORN.

http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/ACORN_and_voter_registration
_fraud


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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"MY side is good, YOUR side is bad"..."No, MY side is good, YOUR side is bad" and on and on ad infinitum. Do any of you have an actual LIFE? Weird.



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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
"MY side is good, YOUR side is bad"..."No, MY side is good, YOUR side is bad" and on and on ad infinitum. Do any of you have an actual LIFE? Weird.



Funny how it's, ' don't you have a life? ', when it's shown the skeletons in YOUR closet are every bit as big and nasty, if not more so , than the ones you're trying to drag out of other's closets.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:57 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
"MY side is good, YOUR side is bad"..."No, MY side is good, YOUR side is bad" and on and on ad infinitum. Do any of you have an actual LIFE? Weird.



Nope. There's good and bad on both sides. Folks who have nothing better to do than to find one example of a bad action from one side, and then tar everyone on that side with the same brush, Niki, are the ones who need to get a life.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 3:03 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I agree with Menace, politicians are people, particularly spoiled and corrupt people. So they do stuff that's bad no matter which side they're on. Now one might be able to argue that one side is prone to bad behavior of a certain persuasion while the other side has lots of people screwing up in another way, but they all do it. And if they get caught doing it they should pay consequences just like anyone else in this country who does it, possibly a little more since they're supposed to be leading us and setting an example.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 6, 2012 3:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the
_United_States

List edited to include only those who were convicted or plead guilty. Does not include those who resigned under investigation. Speaking of scorekeeping:

Obama
1D
1R
Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)
Tom DeLay (R-TX)

Bush
3D
27R
Lewis Libby (R) Chief of Staff to Vice President
John Korsmo (R-SD)
Jack Abramoff
David Safavian GSA (General Services Administration)
Roger Stillwell (R)
J. Steven Griles (R)
Italia Federici (R)
Jared Carpenter (R)
Mark Zachares (R)
Robert E. Coughlin (R)
Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA
Claude Allen (R)
Lester Crawford (R)
Sandy Berger (D)
Bernard Kerik (R)
Kenneth Lay (R)
Ted Stevens Senator (R-AK)
Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
Tom DeLay (R-TX)
Michael Scanlon (R)
Tony Rudy (R)
Bob Ney (R-OH)
Neil Volz (R)
William Heaton (R)
John Albaugh (R)
Kevin A. Ring
Randy Cunningham (R-CA)
Kyle Foggo Executive director of the CIA
Tan Nguyen (R-CA)
William J. Jefferson (D-LA)
Bill Janklow (R-SD)
Jim Traficant (D-OH)

Clinton
12D
4R
Webster Hubbell (D)
Henry Cisneros (D)
Ronald Blackley, (D)
Barbara-Rose Collins (D-MI)
Wes Cooley (R-OR)
Austin Murphy (D-PA)
Newt Gingrich (R-GA)
Walter R. Tucker III (D-CA)
Nicholas Mavroules (D-MA)
Buzz Lukens (R-OH)
Carl C. Perkins (D-KY)
Carroll Hubbard (D-KY)
Walter Fauntroy (D-DC)
Dan Rostenkowski (D-IL)
Joe Kolter (D-PA)
Jay Kim (R-CA)


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Monday, February 6, 2012 4:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh, and just to point out one leetle thing about Geezer - ever notice that when anyone posts something negative about democrats, occupiers, unions and union members - no matter how untrue - Geezer NEVER steps in to point out the bad things about repuublicans, police, or business - no matter how true.

But when someone posts something bad about republicans, police or business - man he is ALL OVER pointing out how it's not true, everyone ELSE does it TOO!, how people just aren't being FAIR or BALANCED - like he is. As if.


Better re-do your make-up Geezer. You real face is showing.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
"MY side is good, YOUR side is bad"..."No, MY side is good, YOUR side is bad" and on and on ad infinitum. Do any of you have an actual LIFE? Weird.



Funny how it's, ' don't you have a life? ', when it's shown the skeletons in YOUR closet are every bit as big and nasty, if not more so , than the ones you're trying to drag out of other's closets.




Even funnier is how you think it's no big deal when any Republican is convicted of more felonies than you can count on one hand, but you're quick to demonize any progressive, whether they've ever been convicted or not.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, and just to point out one leetle thing about Geezer - ever notice that when anyone posts something negative about democrats, occupiers, unions and union members - no matter how untrue - Geezer NEVER steps in to point out the bad things about repuublicans, police, or business - no matter how true.

But when someone posts something bad about republicans, police or business - man he is ALL OVER pointing out how it's not true, everyone ELSE does it TOO!, how people just aren't being FAIR or BALANCED - like he is. As if.


Better re-do your make-up Geezer. You real face is showing.




No kidding.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I agree with Menace, politicians are people, particularly spoiled and corrupt people. So they do stuff that's bad no matter which side they're on. Now one might be able to argue that one side is prone to bad behavior of a certain persuasion while the other side has lots of people screwing up in another way, but they all do it. And if they get caught doing it they should pay consequences just like anyone else in this country who does it, possibly a little more since they're supposed to be leading us and setting an example.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



But as long as they, elected officials are able to deliver the goodies to the groups who keep voting them in, all's good, right ? And if they take a small cut of the action for themselves ( insider trading , for example ) then who REALLY gets hurt ?

Well, the Constitution, for starters.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:27 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, and just to point out one leetle thing about Geezer - ever notice that when anyone posts something negative about democrats, occupiers, unions and union members - no matter how untrue - Geezer NEVER steps in to point out the bad things about repuublicans, police, or business - no matter how true.



I figure there are plenty of folks here to do that. Mike does yeoman service at changing the subject, and you do pretty well yourself.

I've stated there is right and wrong on both sides.

Will you even admit to that?

I doubt it.

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Thursday, February 9, 2012 10:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Sure, right, isolated incident, just like all that police brutality right, unconnected isolated incidents, nothing to do with a culture of corruption and please don't look behind the curtain, sure...

Former Illinois State’s Attorney Given 60-Day Suspension For Dodging Service and Then Pulling Gun on Process Server
http://jonathanturley.org/2012/02/08/former-illinois-states-attorney-g
iven-60-day-suspension-for-dodging-service-and-then-pulling-gun-on-process-server/#more-45097

Quote:

James ran for reelection while charged with felonies but was defeated. James is now in private practice in Anna, Illinois.

Not that the other side gets a pass, mind you - but when one is really seriously more blatantly corrupt and hypocritical than the other - tell me, HOW many ultra homophobic and family values Republicans wind up hoisted on the petard ?
...Then you cannot make the case there's equality of sleaziness, cause the Dems don't hold up such a bullshit front of moral purity to begin with, and thus it adds a whole seperate layer of lie to what the Republican party is made of.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, February 9, 2012 12:31 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
...Then you cannot make the case there's equality of sleaziness, cause the Dems don't hold up such a bullshit front of moral purity to begin with, and thus it adds a whole seperate layer of lie to what the Republican party is made of.



No. The Democrats sleaze is based on promoting programs for the poor and downtrodden, and then making a buck off of it.

I mentioned earlier D.C. Councilman Harry Thomas Jr., who glommed up $300,000 in public funds from a youth program to buy himself motorcycles and SUVs. Then there's Jack Johnson in P.G. County, Maryland, who - under guise of trying to bring jobs into the county - had a pay-to-play deal going with any major contractor who wanted to do business.

The type of slease may differ, but crooks is crooks, regardless of party.

BTW, Frem.

Have you read "The Man Who Never Died" by William M. Adler?

It's a recent (2011) biography of Joe Hill, as well as a history of the Wobblies and an detailed account of Hill's murder trial in Salt Lake City.

It's a pretty good read.

Also gives one possible origin story for the word "Wobblies", positing that a Chinese cook who was being recruited tried to pronounce I.W.W. and ended up with "eye wobblie wobblie", and it caught on.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, February 9, 2012 6:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
The type of slease may differ, but crooks is crooks, regardless of party.


Well yeah, I mean Clinton was practically Mouth of Sauron slimy - it's just adding the hypocrisy of pretended moral superiority rather tips the scales, yanno ?

And imma hafta get that book, although the cook story is at best urban legend and more of a running gag than any real source.

S'funny how american history has so sucessfully forgotten and vilified the very folk who primarily bought us the few worker rights we kinda-sorta still have - and I do NOT include Gompers and the fekkin AFL in that lot, by far, I do not.

Speakin of non-partisan hate, may Woodrow Wilson roast in hell for all eternity.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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