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Mars needs women (Not PN or Whozit)

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:53 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/astronaut-feels-spaces-toll
-on-his-body/?hpt=hp_bn1


Hello,

This is something I was previously unaware of. However, I'm surprised to hear that cancelling missions based on this problem is even a consideration.

If women don't experience the problem, then the solution is obvious. Women astronauts have just become more valuable than men, for purely physiological reasons.

--Anthony



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Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Interesting in that from that entire video, only one line mentioned that men were affected, and that a solution needed to be found, or missions to Mars may be in jeopardy. All chick flight crews weren't even offered as an option. It was - 'get the ships there faster, and the problem should be avoided.'




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:12 AM

WHOZIT


If you read the thread "I" posted (Mars lost) NOBODY is going to Mars in the near or distant future thanks to you leftys, because making sure women get free abortions (Funded by US!) is more important then space exploation. The good news maybe is thanks to abortions and birth control you libs may become extinct and then we can spent more $ on exploation and less on killing liberal babys.

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:18 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
If you read the thread "I" posted (Mars lost) NOBODY is going to Mars in the near or distant future thanks to you leftys, because making sure women get free abortions (Funded by US!) is more important then space exploation. The good news maybe is thanks to abortions and birth control you libs may become extinct and then we can spent more $ on exploation and less on killing liberal babys.



Hello Zit,

I think any rational person gave up on NASA when the shuttles were retired without a replacement. But this problem affects private corp attempts, too.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Interesting in that from that entire video, only one line mentioned that men were affected, and that a solution needed to be found, or missions to Mars may be in jeopardy. All chick flight crews weren't even offered as an option. It was - 'get the ships there faster, and the problem should be avoided.'




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Mr. Raptor,

I was also surprised and disturbed that the obvious and easy solution of using female crews was not even posited.

Are we still a sexist society to such an irrational degree?

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:14 AM

WISHIMAY


Soooo, it's not that the "meek" shall inherit the Earth, but that the Men!! shall inherit the earth- 'Cause we're outta here, baby!

Hubbs came up with that one

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:15 AM

BYTEMITE


Could be they're thinking ahead to possible colonization, in which case breeding pairs of humans might factor in. But on the other hand, if they just had an all-female crew, they'd technically only need the sperm.

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I wonder what the cause is. If it's something to do with no/low/er gravity then colonization on any no/low/er gravity place becomes a problem for males.

No/low/er gravity kinda makes sense. The hemodynamics of the human body are different without the pull of gravity, which is why heart failure people sleep on lots of pillows. Though what specifically the difference is between women and men I couldn't guess, other than to speculate it's probably hormonal. I don't think they've sent any menopausal women to the space station.

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I wonder what the cause is. If it's something to do with no/low/er gravity then colonization on any no/low/er gravity place becomes a problem for males.



They mentioned something about pressure in the brain causing micro folds in back wall of the eye... seems to me that since women have more open space between the ears, there's much less of an effect of gravity, which means less pressure, so ... you see where this is going, right ?

Hey, you come up w/ a better explanation.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I heard about this. I wonder if it's at all linked to mostly men being color blind? After all, we only have a small sampling thus far.
Quote:

Are we still a sexist society to such an irrational degree?
You are, of course, joking. You hadn't figured that out by now?

So long, and thanx for all the fish!



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Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:13 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, I heard about this. I wonder if it's at all linked to mostly men being color blind? After all, we only have a small sampling thus far.
Quote:

Are we still a sexist society to such an irrational degree?
You are, of course, joking. You hadn't figured that out by now?

So long, and thanx for all the fish!







Hello,

Well, I thought at least we would discard sexism when it was pragmatic to do so.

I mean, honestly.

Problem: "We want it done, but only women can do it."

Answer: "I guess we need a plan B."

?!?!?!?!?

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:53 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Well, I thought at least we would discard sexism when it was pragmatic to do so.

I mean, honestly.

Problem: "We want it done, but only women can do it."

Answer: "I guess we need a plan B."

?!?!?!?!?

--Anthony






That's hilarious, but sadly it's not far wrong, either. :(

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:53 PM

WISHIMAY


When I first read this the first thing that came to mind was an X-files eppisode where they get trapped on this ship and the water is aging them and Scully ages slower because women have higher fluid levels then men anyway...
That being said, I wonder if the men are hydrating more, less, or just differently than they did on the ground...Maybe it's just less booze??
The only other thing I could think of is hormones, but I don't see how that could do it....

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Right on, sadly, Anthony.



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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:47 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
They mentioned something about pressure in the brain causing micro folds in back wall of the eye... seems to me that since women have more open space between the ears, there's much less of an effect of gravity, which means less pressure, so ... you see where this is going, right ?

Hey, you come up w/ a better explanation.




Very true that women are spacier ('tween the ears) than men.
As for the men, without normal earth pressure and gravity, clearly their egos
would expand to a degree that puts pressure on the cranium, i.e. a swelled head.
The obvious solution is to deflate their egos making them fit for space flight.

I won't go on, as the space between my ears is needing a sugar fix.

Tony, women can be sexist, too.



"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:02 PM

OONJERAH



Oo-ooo! I got it!!

What is the most basic difference between men & women?

Women eat 5 to 10 times as much chocolate as men.

CHOCOLATE must be the cure!


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:19 PM

BYTEMITE


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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Women eat 5 to 10 times as much chocolate as men.


Me and my chocolate death brownies challenge that assertion!

Bow to the will of my evil pastry!


-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Very true that women are spacier ('tween the ears) than men.
As for the men, without normal earth pressure and gravity, clearly their egos
would expand to a degree that puts pressure on the cranium, i.e. a swelled head.
The obvious solution is to deflate their egos making them fit for space flight.

Okay, now I think you're female...



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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:56 AM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, now I think you're female...



Dunno why anyone would think I am a guy. Did I sound rational for a moment?

Born: CA, 1942, SWF
Will try to add a short bio before next week.

The important thing is to get the chocolate to the astronauts!


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:24 PM

WISHIMAY


Damn misleading avatars

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:31 PM

OONJERAH



To me, avatars are one's companion or guardian, not oneself. But that's a matter of choice.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Born: CA, 1942, SWF"

Awesome. Someone who is actually older than I am.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:30 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
To me, avatars are one's companion or guardian, not oneself. But that's a matter of choice.



Well, duh. But there's not exactly anything about yer pic of Mr. Lee there that just screams "I'm girly" now is there?? If you hadn't said anything, I wouldn't have figured it out. We got all different points of view here, and every kinda sexuality there is I imagine...Get's confusing, occaisionally.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

To me, avatars are one's companion or guardian, not oneself. But that's a matter of choice.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon




Yes, I can quite assure you that I am *not* Bill the Cat. I tend to largely share his views on politics, though. AAACK - PHFFFT!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:35 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I did notice that Kiki refrained from posting in the "How old are you" thread, I wouldn't have pegged her for being older than Niki, I imagine her in her 40s or 50s, apparently I'm either wrong or she hasn't paid much attention to the age of other posters, both possible.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:16 AM

FREMDFIRMA



My avatars are in general based on a commonality of purpose, which is why Ai Enma (Hell Girl) or Lucy (Elfen Lied) are so horribly appropriate.

ESPECIALLY Lucy.



-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:20 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Dunno why anyone would think I am a guy. Did I sound rational for a moment?


Oh! It's a context thing.

Okay.

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Friday, July 1, 2022 8:44 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


CAPSTONE Launches to Test New Orbit for NASA's Artemis Moon Missions

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/capstone-launches-test-orbit-nasas-1205
00683.html



Joe Biden might have NASA spend billions to send a Black Woman to the Moon and tell everyone how 1969 was RACIST and make some SJW BLM speech?


The article was the Confused Noise Network Blog

the gamer Nerds at gizmodo might have it better

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/11/how-spaceflight-affects-men-and-wom
en-astronauts-in-different-ways
/

Quote:

NASA and the National Space Biomedical Research Institute have published a new research paper detailing how space flight affects “cardiovascular, immunological, sensorimotor, musculoskeletal, reproductive and behavioural implications” on men and women. Here are the highlights.

Orthostatic Intolerance, or the inability to stand without fainting for protracted periods, is more prevalent upon landing in female astronauts than in their male counterparts. One possible reason for this observed difference in orthostatic intolerance between the sexes is reduced leg vascular compliance, which was demonstrated in bed-rest studies — which is a ground analogue for spaceflight.
Women have greater loss of blood plasma volume than men during spaceflight, and women’s stress response characteristically includes a heart rate increase while men respond with an increase in vascular resistance. Still, these Earth observations require further study in space.
The VIIP syndrome (visual impairment / intracranial pressure) manifests with anatomical ocular changes, ranging from mild to clinically significant, with a range of corresponding changes in visual function. Currently 82% of male astronauts vs. 62% of women astronauts (who have flown in space) are affected. However, all clinically significant cases so far have occurred in male astronauts.
Changes in function and concentration of key constituents of the immune system related to spaceflight have been reported. However, differences between male and female immune responses have not been observed in space. On the ground, women mount a more potent immune response than men, which makes them more resistant to viral and bacterial infections; once infected, women mount an even more potent response. This response, however, makes women more susceptible to autoimmune diseases. It is not clear if these changes on the ground will occur during longer space missions, or missions that involve planetary exploration (exposure to gravity).
Radiation presents a major hazard for space travel. It has been reported that female subjects are more susceptible to radiation-induced cancer than their male counterparts; hence radiation permissible exposure levels are lower for women than men astronauts.
Upon transition to microgravity after arriving at the International Space Station (ISS), female astronauts reported a slightly higher incidence of space motion sickness (SMS) compared with men. Conversely, more men experience motion-sickness symptoms upon return to Earth. These data were however not statistically significant, due both to the relatively small sample sizes and small differences in the incidence of SMS reported by the men and women astronauts.
Hearing sensitivity, when measured at several frequencies, declines with age much more rapidly in male astronauts than it does in female astronauts. No evidence suggests that the sex-based hearing differences in the astronaut population are related to microgravity exposure.
The human musculoskeletal response to gravity unloading is highly variable among individuals and a sex-based difference was not observed.
Urinary tract infections in space are more common in women and have been successfully treated with antibiotics.
There is no evidence of sex differences in terms of behavioural or psychological responses to spaceflight. Analysis of ISS astronauts’ neurobehavioral performance and sleep measures showed no sex or gender differences using the Psychomotor Vigilance Test (PVT) of alertness and Visual Analogue Scales of workload, stress, and sleep quality. Since all all astronaut candidates undergo a robust process of psychological screening and selection, the likelihood of an adverse behavioural health condition or psychiatric disorder is greatly diminished.

Although there are a lot of differences, at the end one thing is clear: Both men and women are pretty much screwed up when it comes to long stays in microgravity.


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