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Yes, indeedy, we sure fixed Iraq!

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:17
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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A rapid series of attacks spread over a wide swath of Iraqi territory killed at least 50 people on Thursday, targeting mostly security forces in what appeared to be a vicious strike by al-Qaida militants bent on destabilizing the country.

The apparently coordinated bombings and shootings unfolded over four hours in the capital Baghdad — where most of the deaths occurred — and 11 other cities. They struck government offices, restaurants and one in the town of Musayyib hit close to a primary school. At least 225 people were wounded.

"What is happening today are not simple security violations — it is a huge security failure and disaster," said Ahmed al-Tamimi, who was working at an Education Ministry office a block away from a restaurant that was bombed in the Shiite neighborhood of Kazimiyah in northern Baghdad. He described a hellish scene of human flesh and pools of blood at the restaurant.

"We want to know: What were the thousands of policemen and soldiers in Baghdad doing today while the terrorists were roaming the city and spreading violence?" al-Tamimi said.

It was the latest of a series of large-scale attacks that insurgents have launched every few weeks since the last U.S. troops left Iraq in mid-December at the end of a nearly nine-year war.

Marwan Ibrahim/AFP/Getty ImagesAn Iraqi firefighter douses a car as security... View Full Size Marwan Ibrahim/AFP/Getty ImagesAn Iraqi firefighter douses a car as security forces inspect the site of a blast in the northern city of Kirkuk on Feb. 23, 2012. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iraqi-pm-al-qaida-active
-area-south-baghdad-15767073

So should we have stayed there forever? Would this have happened whenever we pulled out, no matter how long we stayed? Is Iraq better off now for our invading them?

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:12 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


You cant outlast an insurgency. It isnt possible.

You are in THEIR home. They arent going anywhere, but eventually u want to go home.

All they have to do is wait you out. How do u tell an insurgent from a civilian if u dont catch them with weapons? Answer is u cant.

Those of us who screamed this at the top of our lungs before we went into Iraq were branded traitors and apologists for terrorists.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


<< >> Looks around for the "Like" button for Niki's and BHM's posts...


It's a bit like the scene in "Full Metal Jacket" where the guy is shooting the machinegun out the Huey's doorway at the people in the rice paddies below. "Anyone who runs... is VC. Anyone who DOESN'T run... is WELL-TRAINED VC."

If you can't tell the good guys from the bad, and people who want to just SURVIVE will often play both sides, then you're left in a no-win situation, where you have to assume EVERYBODY is a bad guy. And where does that kind of thinking get you?

Nope, they went in hoping to "win" Iraq, hoping for a quick victory, without even a vague notion or concept of what "victory" would even look like. Saddam gone? Is that the win?

Colin Powell tried to warn 'em, but to no avail. "You break it, you bought it." He was quite unceremoniously dumped for his honesty.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Those of us who screamed this at the top of our lungs before we went into Iraq were branded traitors and apologists for terrorists.
And those of us who demonstrated against it (raises hand) were branded insurgents and filthy hippies...



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:43 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


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Originally posted by Niki2:
So should we have stayed there forever? Would this have happened whenever we pulled out, no matter how long we stayed? Is Iraq better off now for our invading them?



Thank Gawd we are at least smart enough to take what we learned from our failings in Iraq when we went to Afghanistan... so we could make it 10 times worse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/world/asia/koran-burning-afghanistan
-demonstrations.html?hp


Obama Sends Apology as Afghan Koran Protests Rage

"KABUL, Afghanistan — President Obama apologized on Thursday for the burning of Korans at the largest American base in Afghanistan earlier this week as furious protests raged for a third day and a man wearing Afghan Army uniform turned his weapon on coalition soldiers, killing two of them."

There's a picture of Afghan police shooting at their own people over something we did - we're geniuses at messing stuff up, our military needs an extended staycation.

"The fury does not appear likely to abate soon. Some members of Parliament called on Afghans to take up arms against the American military, and Western officials said they feared that conservative mullahs might incite more violence at the weekly Friday Prayer, when a large number of people worship at mosques.

“Americans are invaders, and jihad against Americans is an obligation,” said Abdul Sattar Khawasi, a member of Parliament from the Ghorband District in Parwan Province, where at least four demonstrators were killed in confrontations with the police on Wednesday."

We just need 10 more years and a couple more trillion... we're so close...



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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We just need 10 more years and a couple more trillion... we're so close...



Yuppers - given another decade and a bottomless moneypit, we could still turn AfPak from a quagmire to a full-on clusterfuck!

Mission Accomplished!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:36 AM

WISHIMAY


That paxilon hydrachlorate option sounds better and betterer... I read an article the other day how they have figured out the fairly concealed pathways into the amygdala of the hormones that feed fear and anxiety...Come ta think of it, I shoulda posted that...
Only bad is they'll use it on US eventually too...


EDIT* I found one, not the one I read, but...

http://www.dana.org/news/brainwork/detail.aspx?id=1338

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:46 AM

BYTEMITE


There are times I can't tell if Wishimay is joking or not.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...






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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:44 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


What a mess. I was in high school at the time and I thought we should go in. I was wrong. The thing is that they weren't in high school, what's their excuse?

I still think the Quadruple S sneaking in and killing him would have been a better idea, though what they got could have been worse than he as often happens through that method. I'm glad he's done with, but the rest of it didn't go so well for anyone.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:49 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by Bytemite:

There are times I can't tell if Wishimay is joking or not.



Skewed tangents in the brain, Byte. I'm sure you know all about that. It just depends on which tangent I'm sitting on at the time as to the percentage of joke/kill them I'm on...

To me, doing ANYTHING over there is a no-win scenario. There's a big percent of the tangents in my head that know the only way to make a people not want to fight is to kill off certain responses within the people...

stone age/ modern world
stone age/ modern world

Either wait 500 years for them to catch up and watch the destruction, possibly of EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH, or catch them up... pre-emptively...prime directive BE DAMNED.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 5:11 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


It's too bad that the Iraqi politicians, Mullahs, and tribal leaders were so intent on holding onto their little pieces of power that they couldn't take the opportunity they had to get together and form a government that could deal with the sectarian violence. Unfortunately, they have levels of distrust, lack of compromise, and backbiting that make the U.S. Congress look like a love-in.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, February 24, 2012 5:13 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


All very true Geeze.

And all known well in advance of our going in there, seeing as how we put ole Saddy in place over them to begin with.

But we all remember what Darth Cheney had to say about it..."We will be greeted as liberators!"

Yeah, thanks Dick.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 8:18 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
...that make the U.S. Congress look like a love-in.



Be careful what you say, somehow there will be pictures- and I don't wanna see that

Who left that elephant skin rug in he- AAAHHHh, My eyes!!!

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Friday, February 24, 2012 12:04 PM

OONJERAH


ProCon.org => http://usiraq.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000887
James Woolsey, LLB, MA, former Director of the CIA, on Apr. 2, 2003:
"Yes, it’s true. We did. We certainly didn’t put in Saddam, the Ba’athists did that on their own.
But we did back him in some limited ways in the 1980s in the war against Iran. He represented
himself to be, and the Reagan administration at the time felt that he was, essentially,
the lesser of two evils. ..."


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Friday, February 24, 2012 12:17 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I think you are correct in that we did not put Saddam in power.

We alternatively supported him and bombed him, but he was put in place by others.

--Anthony


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