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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Most WMD technology has historically been provided courtesy of the United States or the Russians. Presumably once the seed technology is out, nations can continue development on their own.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

It seems pretty plausible to me. If I was Iraq, for instance, I'd have sold the stuff to neighboring regions once the heat was on.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:


Based on the reports you are citing, the government probably knew this was the case.

Which makes a war into Iraq to seize WMD's all the more lamentable.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Actually, it means Bush was wrong. It means there were no WMD's in Iraq, *because* they'd been moved to neighboring regions. It means we tried to close the barn door after the horse had bolted.

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When, during an interview with the Sun in April 2004, Vice President Cheney was asked whether he thought that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria, Mr. Cheney replied only that he had seen such reports.

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in an appearance on Israel's Channel 2 on December 23, 2002, Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon, stated, "Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria."

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

If the government knew before the invasion that the WMD had been moved, then the entire war was a farce.

If not, the government merely showed gross incompetence in conducting an invasion in vain.

And now, if all of this is true, these weapons are in a destabilized region, at peril.

It would confirm, at least, that Iraq had WMD prior to the war. It would not confirm an existing (at the time of the war) WMD program. And it would not make the war any more successful. (The entire war would have been no more successful than the ongoing inspections.)

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Intelligence is indeed flawed. So very, very flawed. I've often been horrified by how flawed.

So, we conducted a war on faulty intelligence and failed to achieve our objective.

I'm not quite sure how this is especially good news for Bush.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Diplomacy didn't work

War isn't the answer.

So where's that leave us ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Israel.
Just report this discovery to Israel.
Advise them to take out Syria before Iran.

(Very unfunny sarcasm. I couldn't resist.   )


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Um, pretty sure we all knew that Iraq had chemical weapons. The question was about whether they had nuclear weapons and CIA reports about whether they'd gotten yellow cake from another rogue regime.

But yes, it's probable these are Iraqi chemical weapons.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
My objection was always that they never had nuclear weapons, and that Colin Powell's UN briefing on the matter was not convincing. it was obvious they had chemical weapons, because it was known that Saddam gassed the Kurds. I can't speak for anyone else, but my understanding was that most everyone else who objected had the same objection. As such, I am not sure who you are responding to, or what argument. It appears to me to be an argument that was never made.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Um, pretty sure we all knew that Iraq had chemical weapons. The question was about whether they had nuclear weapons and CIA reports about whether they'd gotten yellow cake from another rogue regime.

But yes, it's probable these are Iraqi chemical weapons.

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Umm, that's not at all how I remember it. I have to ask, are you being serious ? Most on the Left made it a point to say Iraq never had any WMD , they were all destroyed by the end of the 1st Gulf war, and this whole issue was trumped up by Bush as an excuse to make his oil buddies obscenely wealthy.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Diplomacy didn't work

War isn't the answer.

So where's that leave us ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hello,

In this case? Better off if we hadn't wasted gold and blood on an invasion.

In fact, that's a common theme of late 20th, early 21st century warfare.

Sometimes the wimpy route of not going to war is the best, even if most frustrating, option. As illustrated here, we accomplished nothing. But it would have been better for us to accomplish nothing and still have our wealth of lives and greenbacks.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just seeking more attention, is all.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Diplomacy didn't work

War isn't the answer.

So where's that leave us ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hello,

In this case? Better off if we hadn't wasted gold and blood on an invasion.

In fact, that's a common theme of late 20th, early 21st century warfare.

Sometimes the wimpy route of not going to war is the best, even if most frustrating, option. As illustrated here, we accomplished nothing. But it would have been better for us to accomplish nothing and still have our wealth of lives and greenbacks.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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A logical, reasoned response.

Which is of course why it was ignored by the OP when he bumped the thread.

He didn't get the response he wanted. Awwww.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

It seems pretty plausible to me. If I was Iraq, for instance, I'd have sold the stuff to neighboring regions once the heat was on.

--Anthony

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