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A new hope for back pain sufferers?

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Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm one of them: Degenerative Disc Disease. I've refused surgery, 'cuz I can live with it at this point and 'cuz of the horror stories I've heard, so just thinking about this makes me wistful:
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Back pain is one of the most common of human complaints, which is why new treatments in the works are raising so many hopes. Our Sunday Morning Cover Story is reported now by Martha Teichner:

Consider the human spine, in all its glory. The 24 vertebrae, cushioned by gelatinous discs . . . the little facet joints that help make your back flexible . . . all the ligaments and muscles and nerves. The spine's elegant complexity is a miracle of engineering, or a curse when something goes wrong.

Eight out of ten Americans will experience debilitating back pain sometime in their lives.

"My pain was very excruciating," said Lenda. "I couldn't walk, I couldn't bend over. I couldn't lie down. I'd say, 'Oh Lord, can't you help my back, it does hurt bad' - he didn't help me a bit," said Leila.

And the most common culprit? "I think most people would think it's the inter-vertebral discs, whether it's herniated or whether it's just worn and arthritic and associated with pain," said Dr. Augustus White, a professor at Harvard Medical School. He has literally written the book on lower back pain.

He says the easiest way to understand a herniated disc is to think of a jelly doughnut: When what Dr. White calls "the jelly" gets squeezed out, it presses on nerves, which can mean excruciating pain. Barring serious illness, the first line of treatment may not be what the patient (who only wants a quick fix) wants to hear.

More than 1.2 million Americans undergo spinal surgery each year. That's more than TRIPLE the number of coronary by-pass surgeries (415,000), and nearly FOUR TIMES the number of hip replacements (327,000).

Approximately 300,000 of those back surgeries were spinal fusions, where vertebrae are joined surgically so they can't move. They're often held in place, permanently, with metal screws or rods.
For many patients, surgery is the only answer - salvation. But for all too many others, it can be a nightmare.

Which brings us to Dr. Kevin Pauza, a founder of the Texas Spine and Joint Hospital in Tyler, Texas. "I spent decades treating patients who've had surgery, the surgery was fusions," Dr. pauza said. "Patients would do well for a year or two, and they'd always come to me and need more help."

In his experience, fusion was usually the wrong answer: "The spine's made to be a structure that bends with every movement we make, and if we immobilize a segment of the spine, the adjacent segment breaks down. That's known as the domino effect. "So my thought was, can we do something to that disc so that we don't have to fuse it? Can we bring the disc back to life?"

And that's the headline of this story. Just imagine: A procedure that repairs and re-grows discs, that doesn't involve spinal fusion, that's no more than minimally invasive, outpatient surgery.

The inspiration came to him when he thought about something as basic as how an ordinary cut heals. "I realized what heals a cut is something that's very simple: It's two products that are in you and I, they're in everybody."

In our blood plasma - they're called thrombin and fibrinogen. For the cut to heal, the two components come together, and they make a substance called fibrin. When the two components, in concentrated form, are injected into the disc through a kind of squirt gun Pauza invented, just like epoxy glue, they combine and become fibrin.

Injected into the damaged disc, the compound acts like a sealant, filling cracks and crevices, and eventually allowing the disc to re-grow. "It allows our degenerated disc to turn into a young, healthy, normal disc," said Dr. Pauza.

Rusty Templeton is typical of Dr. Pauza's failed fusion patients. He had his surgery in 2008, but the pain came back and was agonizing. "I've kind of damaged the disc above and below my fusion, and of course that fusion disc is also in pretty bad disrepair," said Templeton.

Templeton is given a local anesthetic. The procedure takes about five minutes...there's no incision..no hardware...

Typically, at first, patients feel discomfort. "Some patients even say, 'Gosh, I wish I never had this done,'" said Dr. Pauza. "And then several weeks later, the patients just turn a corner. We tell them that they can expect that there will be one day where they have pain, and the next day, it'll just stop."

Dr. Pauza is hoping for Food and Drug Administration approval of the procedure by 2015, and to make it available to the public shortly thereafter. Phase III clinical trials are underway now at 20 sites around the U.S.

Dr. Pauza has successfully treated more than a thousand patients in his private practice. "We started treating the first patients approximately five or six years ago, and the success rate is approximately 86 percent," he said.

So how did Rusty Templeton do? "My pain before was at least a ten," he said. And two months after the procedure? "It's still around a five, because I have underlying issues. But I can lay down now. I can, you know, walk around. I can drive where I couldn't drive before. "The pain level I had before the procedure was probably around anywhere from about a six to worse, eight," he said.

Christopher Joseph is a home restorer who was in a car accident. How was his pain two months after the procedure? "Right now, it's at zero."

Dr. Michael DePalma is a spine specialist in Richmond, Va. The North American Spine Society has just published his paper on the latest experimental therapies involving disc restoration. "Stem cells are something that's being investigated to replenish cells within the disc directly, injecting growth factors, which are proteins, to try to stimulate repair in a disc have also been evaluated," said Dr. DePalma.

He is involved in 4 different FDA trials of the new procedures and believes these so-called biologics are the future of back treatment. Based on the results so far, he thinks Dr. Pauza's fibrin sealant offers the most promise.

And then there's the cost. Compare spinal fusion and fibrin treatment: "The treatment for a fusion - and this is the hospital fee - typically is in the $100,000 range, not including the physician's fee," he said. "We don't have a set cost for [fibrin] treatment yet, but it's approximately 95 percent less than the cost of a fusion."

Dr. Pauza expects it to be widely available within five years.

"It's the first time in history that we've been able to cause new tissue to grow within the spine. This procedure is the procedure that really the world has been waiting for," he said. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57428677/a-new-hope-for-back-pain
-sufferers/?pageNum=4&tag=contentMain;contentBody

By five years, I'll probably have no choice but surgery, so I'm dreaming...

I had no idea so many people suffered from back problems, or that so many have surgery. I get by with a back brace, pain meds and a cane, right now, but being degenerative, my time is coming. The pain med my neurologist just put me on is actually WORKING right now, so I'm grateful. I had to titrate up from once a day to twice--which totally knocked me out--then changed to taking it in the morning, rather than at night. I don't sleep as well, from the pain, but I can actually DO THINGS during the day now. It's a blessing, but I know it's short-lived, so the idea of this treatment...sigh...what a potential dream come true!

Bet I'm not alone, here, either...at least Frem, I'm sure, knows what I'm talking about...?

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Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:23 AM

BYTEMITE


I've had back problems since I was twelve. Scoliosis. It's only three vertebrate involved so it's not that noticeable visibly, but it's fairly severe. You do get used to it. Surgery seems like a terrible idea.

Medical technology is improving exponentially. They've even isolated proteins from pythons that can rebuild heart muscle, reverse heart failure, and remove fat deposits in arteries. We're either approaching the golden age of human existence, or the end days.


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Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I've been recommended fusion several times, and refused every time. I know people who've been fused, and it's a temporary fix in most of their cases - it just moves the problem up the line to the next disk.

I keep mine under control most of the time with exercises, stretches, chiropractic adjustments, and OTC pain meds. I've been prescribed various painkillers, but I just hate the doped-out feeling, and they don't really do anything for the pain - they instead just make me not really give a shit how much pain I'm in, which can easily lead to overdoing it because I don't care about the pain. My pain is there for a reason - to remind me that there's an issue, to tell me to take it easier, to warn me that things are about to get bad.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:09 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Normally I'd recommend an inversion chair (not inversion table), to cure yourself without surgery.

But since you're a Commie Operative for Obamination and his jewish bankster overloards, I'd recommend horrible pain and paralysis by surgery.

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Sunday, May 6, 2012 5:19 PM

WISHIMAY


I'm wondering if this will be adapted for severe osteoarthritis? Makes sense to me...

Got a fix for THAT one, PN?? Eat the flesh of a Jew Bankster, perhaps?

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Monday, May 7, 2012 3:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'd just like it--hell, I'd LOVE it--if something came along that didn't make Big Pharma and the medical field a bunch more money, and did what it was supposed to, as well! I took Aleve sometimes, but of course I can't take it frequently, and I'll be getting my exercises back once I start PT, but none of that aleviates it as bad as it's gotten. Taking the Lyrica once a day in the morning isn't working either, dammit, so I took it a second time this morning, as well as last night. We'll see if I can stay awake, 'cuz I'm with you, Mike; I prefer pain to not being "in" my life!

It's just hobbling around in a brace with a cane SUX...and when I had taken two, gawd, I'd forgotten what it was like to be TOTALLY pain free! Even my bad wrist didn't hurt, and I've gotten use to it hurting, more or less, depending on circumstances. Remembering how being pain free felt (which surprised me how much I'd forgotten it) was such a shock...I want it, I want it! But not if I can't stay awake...we'll see.



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Monday, May 7, 2012 4:15 AM

BYTEMITE


...Waaaait. I don't get it. If she were an Operative, they wouldn't paralyze her, so by that logic she's either gone rogue or she's a normal person.

I mean I know sinister political-economic elements have that whole "culling the herd" malthusianism mentality going on, even I'm not immune, it's why I have that reckless streak and all the self-loathing. But I wouldn't wish paralysis on anyone, because if they were to be paralyzed by the establishment, then they're probably an ally.

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Monday, May 7, 2012 8:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Byte, you DO realize you're addressing PN, don't you? He decided I was an operative long, long ago, which is why my sig used to be:


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off


(as a snide comment on his conviction I'm SOME kind of operative...)

When I went down to the Gulf, part of what I wanted to do was get some photos of what was going on in the outer banks, where they were supposedly doing more cleanup. I was banned from the beach, but snuk a few shots from behind the dunes anyway. Hence the "Veritas Oilspillus", which came from Frem.

Sweetie, trying to address PN as if he's a sane person is pretty much what I call pissing into the wind; he hates me, so he'll always take the opportunity to wish me harm. S'okay, I wouldn't want anyone to ruin his fun. At least he's not Kane, and is usually too wrapped up in posting his endless warped bullshit.

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Monday, May 7, 2012 12:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I'm wondering if this will be adapted for severe osteoarthritis? Makes sense to me...

Got a fix for THAT one, PN?? Eat the flesh of a Jew Bankster, perhaps?


OM NOM NOM!



I really wouldn't recommend it though, between the fat content and all the chems and junk they have in em, I doubt they'd be healthy eating, certainly it wouldn't do your cholesterol levels any good.

Free range vegans now....
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAA!

-Frem

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Monday, May 7, 2012 3:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Posted by Niki:


It's just hobbling around in a brace with a cane SUX...and when I had taken two, gawd, I'd forgotten what it was like to be TOTALLY pain free! Even my bad wrist didn't hurt, and I've gotten use to it hurting, more or less, depending on circumstances. Remembering how being pain free felt (which surprised me how much I'd forgotten it) was such a shock...I want it, I want it! But not if I can't stay awake...we'll see.




I simply can't imagine (or remember) what being pain free would be like. I call it a great day if I wake up with less pain, but at this point in my life it's a constant companion, an old friend with whom I'll live out my days.

Lots have it worse than me, so I can't complain.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Monday, May 7, 2012 6:37 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


This would be great! I hope it is something that more people can get soon.

And Niki I liked your old closing phrase, it always made me smile.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Lots have it worse than me, so I can't complain
Yeah, Mike, I always remember that. For me, too,
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at this point in my life it's a constant companion, an old friend with whom I'll live out my days.
That may turn out to be the case; last night the Lyrica started wearing off around dinner time, and I got a LOT done (which felt wonderful) out in the garden...since I've started the double dose, it's been wonderful to get this house in a LITTLE bit better shape, and start doing things I've wanted to do for so long in the garden. Trouble is, I fell asleep again yesterday morning on Jim's bed, and tho' I slept through the night waking up only ONCE (can't remember that happening, maybe EVER, in my life!), and trying to get up early this morning to take the dogs out, I feel like I'm stoned! Hence I'm here instead of taking the dogs out, and boy, thinking AND typing are tough. I'll have to take a nap (hopefully ONLY a nap!) today--should go back to bed now, but I hate the idea.

So I may have to go back to my "old friend" and try other methods (supposedly I have a tens unit coming, and I have to get back into PT. Generally speaking, I HATE taking more meds (I take pills for so many things now it's pathetic--not just bipolarity, but thyroid, osteo and reflus as well), so I dunno about continuing this shit. I dunno, it's a conundrum...



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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:46 AM

BYTEMITE


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I really wouldn't recommend it though, between the fat content and all the chems and junk they have in em, I doubt they'd be healthy eating, certainly it wouldn't do your cholesterol levels any good.

Free range vegans now....
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAA!



I concur with that, and add that human flesh, even vegans, is fairly tasteless. Uncooked skin is pretty much like chewing on plastic. The muscle isn't that great either, there's fat, but it doesn't really add much flavour. And the meat has this nasty greasy smell when it's cooked.

Actually the only tasty thing about humans is the blood. It's good and salty.

Hmm, come to think of it I guess I don't qualify as vegan after all. Eh. Under that stipulation no one else does either.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:20 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, it's all in the preparation you see, I mean Duck isn't all that interesting just straight cooked, but a nice lemon-pepper rub, or orange glaze... citrus is great for mitigating stuff that's kind of greasy/oily, but humans come closer to pork, so a nice apple-hickory barbeque is definately the way to go with that - bonus points with that one cause if you really don't like em you can start the BBQ while they're still kickin.


-Frem

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:36 AM

CAVETROLL


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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I really wouldn't recommend it though, between the fat content and all the chems and junk they have in em, I doubt they'd be healthy eating, certainly it wouldn't do your cholesterol levels any good.

Free range vegans now....
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAA!



I concur with that, and add that human flesh, even vegans, is fairly tasteless. Uncooked skin is pretty much like chewing on plastic. The muscle isn't that great either, there's fat, but it doesn't really add much flavour. And the meat has this nasty greasy smell when it's cooked.

Actually the only tasty thing about humans is the blood. It's good and salty.

Hmm, come to think of it I guess I don't qualify as vegan after all. Eh. Under that stipulation no one else does either.



Cooking people actually smells like pork, until the fat renders and they start burning. Then it is foul, foul, foul. An elegant example of evolution building a warning signal into us.

I remember right after the news started reporting on Dolly, the first cloned sheep, that Christopher Reeve was advocating stem cell research to help paralyzed people. Of course it was shut down. Too controversial.

Which is a bunch of hooey. Stem cell research holds the promise of literally, making the lame walk. Or allowing the blind to see. Biblical references aside, this is miraculous. I've got a couple of friends who struggle with chronic back pain. Thankfully I've dodged that bullet so far. But nobody is more than a bad driver away from being in that state.

Keep on with the research I say.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:54 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Mmmmm Miss Idgie, this is the best barbecue I've _ever had!
:)

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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But nobody is more than a bad driver away from being in that state.




Found that out the hard way 30-some years ago. Nothing several operations and a few months in hospital couldn't prolong into a life of chronic pain. There was discussion of taking my leg, but I walked out of that hospital on my own two sticks.

There's a reason I work hard, physical jobs: Because I can. And I want to keep doing so, WHILE I can, for AS LONG as I can. Got stuck behind a desk once, and quit within a month. I could do that job from a wheelchair - and one day it may come to that, but not this day.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA



And on the other end - you got crap like THIS.
I will let it speak for itself...

Arrested, Jailed for a Legitimate Pain Script
http://www.theagitator.com/2012/05/08/arrested-jailed-for-a-legitimate
-pain-script
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Lenhart’s story has been making its way around the web the past few days, and has been generating the appropriate outrage. But it shouldn’t be all that surprising. This is the perfectly predictable outcome of all this painkiller hysteria of late. It’s bad enough coming from the usual drug warriors. But because there’s a big evil pharmaceutical corporation to play the villain, we now get progressive outlets like ProPublica, and Alternet and Salon spitting out the government’s hype without the least bit of skepticism—or concern for pain patients.

-Frem

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Tuesday, May 8, 2012 8:50 PM

WISHIMAY


Surprised he could get one... They can't...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2141583/Arthritis-sufferers-
wait-THREE-YEARS-diagnosed-condemning-unbearable-pain.html


I said I wouldn't talk about all my problems, but since we're all going down that road...

1. allergies, sometimes I take 2 allegra-d-24hr a day, with shots of what ever I can get inbetween. Some days I take nothing. Almost every day I have headaches or feel like my eyes are gonna explode.
2. my intestines are frelled. I talk about chocolate, but it's only cut the pain and side effects in half, most of the time. Sometimes I still wake up in the middle of the night and try to decide between passing out or throwing up.
3. Started having joint problems right after having my kid. Went directly to the doc who asked me several questions about my husbands job and did he plan on staying there? In retrospect, I realized what he knew was that if he didn't say what was wrong I wouldn't have a pre-existing condition. If he'd just treated me I wouldn't be in the hell I'm in now. THE NURSE on the way out let it slip. She said "I'm sooo sorry your RH factor came up postive..." Rheumatoid Arthritis. at 22. It would take another 8 years before we were stable enough I could go to another doc. By then my intestinal problems caused Osteo-arthritis. And now my doc says that I have hyper-flexibility related to RA. And not the good kind that would let me work in a circus, the bad kind that means basically my muscles hold me up half the time. As a side effect, pain meds do not work on me like other people and I'm allergic to some of them. I have to constantly pop my own neck and back in place, as it slides out when I sleep. I'm prone to strains, sprains and ruptures. I had a severe hip sprain a while back and just wanted to die!! I took anti-inflamatories, but they make leg muscles weak in me, and anti-depressants gave me severe restless leg syndrome. I get muscle cramps constantly and have used novelty baseball bats to break off calcifications. A couple times I had them grow between ribs and they would click when I breathe deep. You can hear several joints literally grind from across the room, in between popping, sometimes with every step I take... I get tired constantly, can only walk about a mile and have problems sitting or laying for tooo long, and I don't think my husband understands some days(of course with Aspergers, he wouldn't. And yeah, I'm overweight. You try not being with all this! With alllll that I still manage to get about two hrs work in a day on our house, and I think that's about the only thing keeping me going at this point. I used to be rediculously strong, too. Lifting three hundred pounds like most girls lift 20. That's what frustrates me the most, I think. To go from that to this in less than ten years.
Oh, and when my dad was dying of prostate cancer, he was part of a familial cancer study and the results are that I'm screwed, eventually. Like I didn't know that.

Still, there are people worse than me.... I think we ALL tell ourselves that from time to time...
I get by. What else can ya do??

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:49 AM

CAVETROLL


Well, in the "worse than me" department I don't know many that were worse off than my friend Stephen MacDowell. He developed sarcoidosis, an autoimmune disorder. His own immune system was attacking his heart. Doctors were able to shock the disease into remission with a massive dose of steroids. By the time they were able to rein it in he was down to 10% heart function. He was on a host of medicine to deal with the side effects of the disease and his weakened heart. His employers fired him, of course. So he had to struggle to find employment and medical insurance. He had to sell his house and move back in with his mom and grandma. He fought it for 10 years. At the last, it went after the bones in his legs and he spent the last two years of his life, immobilized, in bed.

Finally, it was a MRSA infection that dragged him down and his heart gave out while he was hospitalized. Ironically, while he was in surgery to put a new lock in his chest to make it easier to medicate him.

He's been gone about a year now and I still think about him frequently.

But it does make me wonder. Maybe we've all gone past our "sell by" date.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/delawareonline/obituary.aspx?n=stephe
n-j-macdowell&pid=152109905

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 8:47 AM

WISHIMAY


Y'all seen that woman that had elephantitis in her legs and her feet were the size of watermelons, and they cut the worse one off and it still keeps growing? Or the kids that have that bone disease where their joints don't stop growing all around?

It really is amazing the hell the human body can endure. Looking at that kinda stuff makes one thankful to only be in the upper eschelons of hell...

I sympathize with the death of yer friend CT. I know that's hard to watch... Ya just never know when life is gonna take a piss in your direction, do ya?

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:07 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I've had back problems since I was twelve. Scoliosis.

Same here Byte, but in my entire spine.
Niki, Mike, and YOU, Byte, I said it before, and I'll say it again: Kung Fu! Tai Chi, specifically. I do Wing Chun & semi-Tai Chi my own self. Doctors recommended against it, so I knew it would help. They recommended pain killers & bone fusion when I was 38 (52 now). But my way has been working since I was 13. Except I'm in less pain now than then. Yeah, still hurts quite a bit now & then when I forget myself & lift something over 50lbs too quickly, but by & large I really can't complain (much).



Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:41 AM

BYTEMITE


I saw someone who had elephantitis on the bus once, they'd have to cut open one of her legs, very prominent scar.

It's a shame, the sooner they can get that heart strengthening python protein commercially available, the sooner things like CT's story won't happen anymore.

My whole family has tumor and blood clotting issues, so I figure if I don't go out in a blaze of glory before then, I have that to look forward to. Blegh. Let's hope it's the former.

I took Kung Fu for a while, been meaning to get back into it. Did help my back a lot, at least kept the muscles stronger to compensate.

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:30 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


That sounds miserable Wish.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:48 PM

WISHIMAY


Eh, I deal with it better now than I did six years ago, when I didn't really know what was going on, but I knew it was more than RA. At least I don't have to work a schedule... And my family has finally stopped telling me I'm young and shouldn't be so whiny, which is a blessing... 'Corse they didn't believe ME that something was wrong, until I showed them the results of a bone scan, THEN they believed it....

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Yeah, still hurts quite a bit now & then when I forget myself & lift something over 50lbs too quickly...



Luckily I can still pull it off, at least occasionally. Yesterday I lifted an entire Honda engine into my truck, intake, exhaust, cylinder head, flywheel, and all still attached to it. It goes about 225 pounds. Tonight I get to haul it from my truck to the new owner's truck. I'm kinda hoping he'll help with the heavy lifting!


I put Honda transmissions in with no hoist on a regular basis, no problems at all, but those are only 75 pounds, and I've got a trick to it: Slide it under the car, reach your hand down from the top, pull the transmission up with one hand (use the starter hole to pull it up and hold it), and then hold it with that hand while you get one bolt in the top to hold the weight. Easy-peazy. Then make sure to get the input shaft aligned just so, slam it home, and get all the bolts in and tightened down to spec. Engines I usually do in bits, or with a hoist, but my hoist it loaned out at the moment, and I've got a guy bringing me $250 cash for a 20-year-old engine, so I'll lift the bugger myself if need be!


Again, I'll do it while I can, because one day I won't be able to.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:33 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yesterday I lifted an entire Honda engine into my truck, intake, exhaust, cylinder head, flywheel, and all still attached to it.

So, your REAL name is Steve Austin! How is Oscar, BTW?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 4:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yesterday I lifted an entire Honda engine into my truck, intake, exhaust, cylinder head, flywheel, and all still attached to it.

So, your REAL name is Steve Austin! How is Oscar, BTW?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives




Hah! No, I can do it once in a while, but there's a price to be paid. Let's just say I paid the iron price, not the gold price. ;) Getting it off the ground isn't the hard part; getting it into the trunk of a freaking Mitsubishi Lancer *IS*! Thankfully homeboy brought some backup, so it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. Engine gone, me a bit richer; I'll sleep well tonight!



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