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Boobs! The death of "Time".

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:20 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/05/10/did-time-go-too-far-wi
th-breast-feeding-cover-image
/

"oh my God! You are going to breast feed? Have your titties hanging out?" - Mother-in-law (liberal)

"Well, yes. Breast feeding is actually better for the baby. In terms of nutrition and comfort..." - wife

The old ways are the best ways. But then there are liberals who try and ruin it, and make it gross. Like the person(s) quoted in the above link.

Im curious as to those that have had children here. Opinions on breastfeeding? Whats the cutoff day?


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Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:38 AM

CAVETROLL


21. No ifs ands or buts.

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


The only people I've ever known who had a big problem with breast-feeding were conservatives, who thought it was somehow "shameful" to be seen nourishing a child.

I've yet to hear any "liberals" who are upset about this cover.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:15 PM

WHOZIT


How old is that kid? He's still at it?

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:16 PM

WISHIMAY


I'm upset about it. I feel the need to remove my eyeballs.
If you can ask for it in a complete sentence, NO.
For using a kid to make money, NO.
Unless the kid has some sort of immune deficincy or lack of nutrients,and even then- she should damn well pump the things at that age....There's no reason for him to still be tappin' the source other than her narcissism... There's only one reason to still be giving him breastmilk, and a dozen why NOT ta...

I have no problem with other people breastfeedng a baby in public, as long as they are discreet. I personally HATED it- it hurt, I felt like a cow, and the bra's are more like straitjackets. It probably didn't help that I was depressed and exhausted and three weeks later had surgery, but...

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:26 PM

STORYMARK


I have no objection to breast feeding. Though doing it untill a kid is near school age is a bit creepy.

I wonder why Wulfie felt the need to make this a right/left issue? Right, because Fox told him to.


I don't even see anyone in the article trying to end breatsfeeding, liberal or conservative.

Poor Wulfie, is now stright up imagining attacks. Or he's not even reading his own links now. Or he did read it, and didn't understand it. None would really surprise me. Poor little man.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:28 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
How old is that kid? He's still at it?



The kid on the cover? 4 years old.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:29 PM

BYTEMITE


I think that women who breastfeed, okay, whatever, I can walk away. But I don't think it's beautiful or any of that hogwash, it's expressing a fluid from glands in your body in pretty much the same way as sweating. And then you have a tiny parasitic person attached to the glandular lobes... Moving on now.

Where I start to get annoyed is when these women start going OH MI GOSH they're violating our public breast feeding rights, let's exploit our children for sympathy and have a sit-in at a store and accost people. And I'm thinking, "Is this really about your baby, or is this about you and your excessive need for attention through exhibition tendencies?"

It's not like their kids asked for that. Damned selfish I think.

I wasn't breastfed. My mother was in the hospital with brain tumors the first few months of my life, there were concerns about the donated blood being a vector for HIV. So I don't fully buy all this gargle about nutrition either, but I'm not about to to get in a fight about new ageisms versus science with some lady in a store who's still high on her own progesterone.

However, I am going to roll my eyes a lot, and shake my head, possibly in an aggravated and condescending way. Don't mind me.

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:39 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
How old is that kid? He's still at it?



The kid on the cover? 4 years old.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



I could have done it, and I wouldn't have needed a chair to stand on.

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:47 PM

MINCINGBEAST


I saw the photo, and while it disgusts me on a variety of levels, it depicts a boob being used for its intended purpose... by a child that is old enough to know and remember what he is doing.

Boobs are revolting, to the extent that they are part of the human body (which is revolting)and excrete revolting stuff. The fact that men fetishize boobs is also revolting. If anything good comes of the cover, it will be re-popularizing the puritanical inhibitions that I so cherish. Everybody ought to feel shame about their body, cover up, and bum out.

Anyway, I was prepared for the shock of that ghastly cover by a couple that I know, who chose to breastfeed their son until he was 6.

I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.

I believe tit-feeding a 1st grader often accompanies a complete package of "attachment parenting" and other vile practices. The couple in question also practiced something called "elimination communication", which amounts to letting a kid wander around without a diaper, crapping where. But that's another story.

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Weird thread; even weirder interpretation. I'm with Story--I only read through it once and don't know any of those who are mentioned in it, but liberals or not, they were discussing the COVER, not breast feeding. I don't know why liberals would be against breast feeding in public, seems to me it would be the opposite. As for the "old ways"...the "old ways" used to be breast feeding in private, I can't remember it ever being appropriate to breast feed in public until the last few decades, so that's weird, too. Gotta check that out, out of curiosity.

Just all around weird. Did FauxNews say something that Wulf internalized without thinking about it? Otherwise, why would he jump to the conclusions he has, given they are the opposite of what is true?

As to the SUBJECT of breast feeding, I don't mind it in public and don't pay attention, but I think that boy is far too old for it. JMHO.

ETA: Hey Mincing!!! Where've you been, I've missed your wonderful posts! Welcome back.



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Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:12 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.


What in the glory of the blood-washed plains of tartarus? When I was five I was reading 300 page Star Wars books. Is this normal childhood development to behave like a two year old at age five? What does this kid do while in school?

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I think breastfeeding babies, when possible, is a good thing, its nutricious and forms a strong bond. If your baby isn't weened by 18 mos on their own though its time to start the weening process. My friend and I got in a little fight when she announced that she breastfed her kid until he was three and I was like, blurt "That's a little too long" and she's like " well he has disabilities" and I wanted to say "So?". At least he doesn't remember it she said. My little bro was fed from his bio mom's breast until he was probably 2 and a half, but I don't expect better behavior from the likes of her, at least he doesn't recall it. When they're old enough to ask for it its time to stop, or at 18 months or so. Which ever comes first. I actually weened myself at nine months because I discovered cherry koolaid and never went back. :)

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:48 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.



Did he then ask if he could make the bad man fly?

Cheers if you know the reference.

Socialist and unashamed.


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Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by CUDA77:
Quote:

Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.



Did he then ask if he could make the bad man fly?

Cheers if you know the reference.




Did he then leave by the Moon Door?

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Move over, kid!



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Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:42 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I guess I was just a bit disgusted by the picture.

On a personal note, my wife has decided, with my blessing, to breastfeed our baby girl. I have no problem with it at all, actually. I mean, thats what they are there for, and the milk is a hell of a lot more nutrient-rich than the slurry that passes for formula.

In deciding all this, we did some research. During the 50s, breastfeeding was looked down on as most natural things were. Part of the whole hands-off-technology-is-better-than-natural movement that came about after WW2 and the bomb.

During the 60s and 70s, well... bra burning and communes were the rage...

80s and 90s? Meh

Now, youve got women vomiting half-digested food in their childrens mouths, having them sleep next to you (despite the dangers) and breastfeeding to an age when they can ASK for it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2077270/Meet-EXTREME-breast-
feeders-How-breast-best-mantra-obsession-women.html


I think "Time" magazine did this for shock value, and has lost all semblance of a valuable news-source.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:47 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

Im curious as to those that have had children here. Opinions on breastfeeding? Whats the cutoff day?



10 years and counting, says my sis the "proud Marxist" professor at homochurch, for her foreign citizen daughters.... Or perhaps I heard wrong? (I hope so!)

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:06 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Excellent points all, Byte. And I love the curse...gotta remember that one!



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Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:07 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by CUDA77:
Quote:

Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.



Did he then ask if he could make the bad man fly?

Cheers if you know the reference.




Did he then leave by the Moon Door?



Cheers.

Socialist and unashamed.


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Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Who wants to bet the kid grows up to have some serious issues. Aside from being attached to mommy for so long, now he'll have the added burden of being on a national magazine, for all to see.

I just hope we don't see Jr end up like this...





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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I think "Time" magazine did this for shock value, and has lost all semblance of a valuable news-source.




Huh. I'll bet you money you wouldn't hold Fox to the same standard of what passes for a "valuable news source".

And I know for a fact you don't mind a bit when your asshole teabagger buddies go for "shock value".



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:57 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yeah they showed it on the news tonight, it was indeed disturbing Wulf, that kid is way too old. As long as you ween Inara at 18 mos or before you should be fine.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Friday, May 11, 2012 2:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

And I know for a fact you don't mind a bit when your asshole teabagger buddies go for "shock value".



Like when, exactly?

And how can any rational person use such derogatory, idiotic terms when describing the TEA party folks ?

Peaceful, respectful of the law, don't threaten to blow up bridges or kill innocent people, as the OccuTrash folks do... You really do live in bizarro world, or you're a simpleton who just is here to troll. Maybe a bit of both.


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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Friday, May 11, 2012 3:48 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by CUDA77:
Quote:

Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.



Did he then ask if he could make the bad man fly?

Cheers if you know the reference.




Did he then leave by the Moon Door?



"You do not fight with honor Sir!"

(looking at the hole in the floor where the knight fell to his death), "He did."

Bah! One of the best lines on tv....

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Friday, May 11, 2012 5:07 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
I guess I was just a bit disgusted by the picture.



Oh, yeah, that totally explains how you saw quotes in the article that didn't exist. Totally

Moron.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 11, 2012 6:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by CUDA77:
Quote:

Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I recall being at a bbq where the lad came up to his mother whining for his "binky." I was surprised, and unhappy, when the wife casually popped out her boob and fed her boy (five at the time) right there on the patio.



Did he then ask if he could make the bad man fly?

Cheers if you know the reference.




Did he then leave by the Moon Door?



"You do not fight with honor Sir!"

(looking at the hole in the floor where the knight fell to his death), "He did."

Bah! One of the best lines on tv....




Yup - loved that scene!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 11, 2012 6:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

And I know for a fact you don't mind a bit when your asshole teabagger buddies go for "shock value".



Like when, exactly?













"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 11, 2012 6:16 AM

STORYMARK


Don't you know - those don't COUNT.

It never, ever EVER counts when a republican or teabagger does it. They're always just lone nutjobs, who the can't never nuh-uh represent the others.

of course, any thing a democrat does is entirely sanctioned by each and every dem/lib in the world - period.

Because that's haw true believers think.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 11, 2012 7:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Don't you know - those don't COUNT.

It never, ever EVER counts when a republican or teabagger does it. They're always just lone nutjobs, who the can't never nuh-uh represent the others.

of course, any thing a democrat does is entirely sanctioned by each and every dem/lib in the world - period.

Because that's haw true believers think.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"




Well, yeah, pretty much. Rappy will likely come back now with his tired old "But those aren't shocking, because they're true" ruse.

I've yet to hear any rational explanation of what's so "shocking" about the Time cover, though. Is it because there's a three year-old standing on a chair? Is that the shocking part, the idea that he could fall and be hurt?

Or is it shocking to conservatives that any child should ever in any way be nourished and cared for, whether physically or emotionally?

Or is it the immodesty of the woman, feeding a child in a way that mammals do? Should she hide away under her burqa in shame? Is that what Wulfie wants?

It's hilarious to me that the members here who tend to whine the loudest and longest about "freedom" are also the first ones to get offended when anyone actually exercises any of it in any way that they find offensive.

Here's a bit of freedom for you: You have the right to be offended. Go for it. Be as offended as you'd like. And I have the freedom to really not give a fuck how offended you are.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 11, 2012 11:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yeah, those DON'T count. But if that's all you got, I can see why you'd try to equate them to the true destruction and vitriolic language ( terrorist actions in some cases ) that comes from the OccuTrash gangs.


Anyways, speaking of Boobs...

Christie Brinkleys' are 56, and they're (still ) amazing.




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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, May 11, 2012 12:35 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Back to the original topic:
Quote:

It's hard to avoid staring at the cover of Time Magazine this week. If you're on social media like Twitter and Facebook, the widely shared image may have arrived on your screen before you ever saw it in the supermarket.

The provocative cover shows Jamie Lynne Grumet, a 26-year-old mother from Los Angeles, breast-feeding her son. This isn't your typical mom-and-baby shot: Grumet's son is 3. In case you were wondering, Grumet told CNN's Erin Burnett that her son is actually breast-feeding in that now-iconic image.

Grumet said her own mother breast-fed her until age 6, and Grumet still remembers it. "I'm proud of her," Grumet said.

The picture promotes an article about the growing popularity of "attachment parenting", a theory first advocated by Dr. Bill Sears and his wife, Martha, in their 1992 best-selling guide “The Baby Book.”

The Searses argue that co-sleeping, “baby wearing” (where the baby is attached to the parent with a sling) and extended breast-feeding will help parents respond better to the individual needs of their babies.

Many moms and dads have strong opinions about these practices, especially the breast-feeding advice. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends babies be breast-fed exclusively for the first six months of their lives.

"We don't all nurse older kids," Bialik said of mothers who subscribe to attachment parenting ideas. "But the notion that a child's voice matters, that every child is different, that's the basis of attachment parenting."
....
Grumet said that sleeping with her baby does not affect intimacy with her husband.

"I think intimacy is extremely important in a marriage and I think a strong marriage is going to be a great foundation to show your children how to be raised confident and happy and I had that with my family, too," she said. http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/10/breastfeeding-too-much-of-a-g
ood-thing/?hpt=hp_c1
find that thing about intimacy with her husband very interesting, and it makes me curious...



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Friday, May 11, 2012 1:08 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sometimes, even now, our rabid righties shock me. Those awful images and words don't count? Why NOT? Actually, I guess I should just go back to reminding myself that Raptor isn't here to interact or discuss, he's only here to be outrageous to get attention. Duh...sometimes I forget.

Remembering how Wulf started out this thread, I got curious. Here's what I found:
Quote:

Young Conservative “media activist” Jason Mattera has given us a glimpse into the not so bright future of Conservatism.

He recently gave himself some publicity by posting some highly edited video on YouTube of himself questioning Minnesota Senator Al Franken about some provisions in the health care bill and repeatedly interrupting while Franken tried to answer. Mattera apparently has serious problems with government investment into public health as well as mandates for employers to provide time for breastfeeding mothers to………………you guessed it, breast feed or to express milk to take home to their baby.

Let’s start with some basics. Breastfeeding is what is healthiest for babies. Babies who get breast milk are much healthier. Mandating that employers give breastfeeding mothers time to breastfeed is a bare minimum standard of decency. In most advanced democracies, most mothers get up to a year or more of paid or partially paid maternity time off to feed and raise their child. This is what is healthiest for the baby, the mother, and society. The idea that young conservatives are fighting against mandatory breastfeeding time in 2010 is frankly an absolute disgrace. Supporting mothers is what’s called family values. Its called putting people before profit. It’s called compassion and common sense.

These types of progressive people-based policies reduce poverty, crime, and strengthen families and communities. If Mattera is the future of Conservatism, the future looks an awful, and I mean awful lot like the past. http://blog.oregonlive.com/myoregon/2010/03/conservatives_against_brea
st_f.html
I stumbled across this...omigawd, look who's MOST in favor of breastfeeding:



And,
Quote:

Last Thursday, the Iowa Senate approved a bill that would improve the health and well-being of Iowa working mothers and their children. In addition, this bill would reduce many employers' health care costs while lowering employee turnover and absenteeism. Unlike legislation that pits business interests against the needs of working families, this bill would be a win-win.

Nevertheless, almost the whole Republican caucus voted against Senate File 2270, which promotes workplace accommodations for employees who express breast milk. SF 2270 is so reasonable that two dozen states and the District of Columbia have enacted similar laws. It's so reasonable that it passed unanimously out of the Iowa Senate Labor and Business Relations Committee.

On February 18, SF 2270 passed on a 29-15 vote. All 28 Democratic senators who were present voted yes, joined by Republican Shawn Hamerlinck. Republicans Wieck and Ward were absent. The other 15 Senate Republicans all voted no, including Houser and Zaun, who had supported the bill in committee the previous week. http://www.bleedingheartland.com/diary/3699/republican-family-values-o
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gee whiz oh gosh almighty, look who:
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Andrew Kaczynski of BuzzFeed has unearthed a 2006 political battle involving then-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, the state Department of Public Health, and vocal advocacy groups that you don’t see everyday.

A battle involving a group that then Romney spokesman and current campaign adviser Eric Fehrnstrom dubbed “a very vocal minority of breast-feeding advocates.”

In 2006, Romney urged the Massachusetts Department of Public Heath to reconsider a decision that would have made Massachusetts the first state to ban gift bags to new mothers leaving the maternity ward that included infant formula, coupons, and other presents paid for by the formula companies.

The Department of Public Health had previously made the decision to strike down the gift bags for the belief that the giveaways encourage mothers to give up on breast-feeding, which several medical studies show lead to babies less-likely to suffer from several illnesses and ailments in comparison to bottle-fed babies

Romney took a firmer anti-big government stance on the state attempting to influence the decision of mothers on how to best feed their babies.

“I’m not enthusiastic about the heavy arm of government coming in and saying, ‘We think we know better than the mothers and we are going to decide that they can’t get free formula when it comes as a welcome home kit from the suppliers of formula with Q-tips, baby lotion and so forth,’ ” ABC reported in 2006 Romney said on the issue.

Critics argued that the governor was giving in to corporate interests looking to market their product to consumers on day 1, literally.

As many hospitals began to do away with the gift bags on their own, the Romney Administration argued that the issue had become overblown thanks to a small number of vocal critics.

Eventually, Romney was able to direct the state’s public health commissioner to overturn the all-out ban on formula giveaways, but many prominent Massachusetts hospitals still prohibit the gift bags. http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/04/07/romney-administration-stood-to
e-to-toe-against-very-vocal-minority-of-breast-feeding-advocates-in-2006-ma-legislative-debate/
COULD say something about corporate interests versus the health of mother and baby. But then I wouldn't.

Oh, and let's not ignore this lovely comment:
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•How come it is never a hot mom in public breast-feeding? It is always some hippie, angry at the world so I won’t shave my armpit liberal that does this kind of thing. http://www.divinecaroline.com/22108/82971-public-breastfeeding-indecen
t-exposure
from the article in question...
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The comments from the readers reflect the real opinions of people here in the United States in regards to breastfeeding. Essentially, the opinion about breastfeeding can be summarized in the following belief statements:

1. Breasts are sexual objects and therefore it is indecent to nurse, whether publicly or privately. Additionally, women who breastfeed publicly should feel ashamed of themselves and deserve the harassment, perverse comments, and other negative attention they receive.

2. Babies do not need to breastfeed. Formula is just as good.

3. Women who are stubbornly determined to breastfeed should at least remain at home because it is unnecessary, indecent and perverse to do so in public.Same

Gosh, those certainly sound like liberal views to me!

It IS a shame these perceptions exist in America. The author had some interesting things to say on it:
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I am a staunch breastfeeding advocate. But I have to admit that I still feel slightly uncomfortable when breastfeeding in public. Why do I feel this way?

The truth is two-fold. The first half starts with the advent of infant formula companies and their corrupt marketing strategies. According to the National Fertility Survey 68 percent of mothers born between 1911 and 1915 breastfed their first baby, compared with 35 percent of mothers born by the early 1940’s.


market. Commercial infant formula was touted as the new “scientific” way of feeding your baby which also liberated mothers from needing to be in constant contact with their infants. Women in the United States, as well as in other Western countries, rapidly accepted this new model of infant feeding and breastfeeding rates began to drop continuously from this point forward. At the same time, formula companies promoted their product in third world countries, ultimately leading to malnutrition, health problems and death in millions of infants abroad because of improper sanitation, weak or improperly mixed solutions of formula, and loss of the many natural benefits present in breast milk.

By 1971, breastfeeding the United States was at al all time low of 23 percent. Consider also, that this statistic includes any baby that was ever breastfeed, even a single time. It wasn’t until after July 4, 1977, when an enormous boycott was launched against Nestlé and other infant formula makers, that the public perception of breastfeeding began to improve again. Also, at this time, La Leche League and other lactavist groups began to rally to improve the public understanding of the real benefits of mother’s milk.


The second part of the equation is that while women’s breasts were no longer being utilized as they were intended (to feed human infants), media in this country became more and more explicit in using women’s bodies as sexual objects. Women’s bodies have become in our country an extraordinary tool for advertising, marketing and sales. As the standards for what is acceptable to appear on television deteriorate and you can see nearly naked women bumping, grinding and tantalizing viewers on practically every channel, it is not shocking that the American public cannot conceive of women’s breasts as anything but sexual.

At the same time, it is important to remember that this is a cultural phenomenon and does not represent anything more than the depravity, frivolity and density of American society. In plenty of other cultures around the world, women’s breasts are still perceived as utilitarian tools with which babies are nourished. None of the mystique and sexual aura surrounds them. Men and women of all ages congratulate women who breastfeed their children publicly and encourage them to continue for as many years as the children desire to do so.

Breastfeeding is not only accepted in Mongolian culture, but embraced, expected and encouraged. Children are expected not only to nurse, but to nurse “to term,” which could be anything from two to four years old and sometimes upwards of that.

In Mali, women go around topless, breastfeeding their infants without even a sideways glance from onlookers.

Well, we do have a peculiar obsession with breasts in this culture. A lot of people think it’s just the human nature to be fascinated with breasts but in many cultures, breasts aren’t sexual at all. I interviewed a young anthropologist working with women in Mali, in a country in Africa where women go around with bare breasts. They’re always feeding their babies. And when she told them that in our culture men are fascinated with breasts there was an instant of shock. The women burst out laughing. They laughed so hard, they fell on the floor. They said, “You mean, men act like babies?”

But the ultimate truth is we cannot escape from the society in which we live. It’s wonderful that breastfeeding is accepted and encouraged in other cultures, but if we live in America, we have to acknowledge the fact that many people are uncomfortable with watching mothers nurse their babies.

What is the solution? Plain and simple—more public breastfeeding. The more people see something, the more common it becomes, and the less it jumps out as a shocking anathema.

Interesting. Gawd, I wish we were like Mali in that respect!


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Friday, May 11, 2012 1:46 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, those DON'T count.



LOL!!!! Ever the predictable coward.

Sure, sure, because you say so (and because anything else would require you to face things about yourself and your views you Just. Cant. Deal. With. It's okay, we're used to it.)

Thanks for proving Kwick and I both right this time, kiddo.

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Friday, May 11, 2012 1:51 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Then I stumbled across this...omigawd, look who's MOST in favor of breastfeeding:






Don't challenge Wulfie with facts, you'll bruise his poor brain.

Though, knowing him, he won't even be back to this thread.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 11, 2012 2:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Weird thread; even weirder interpretation. I'm with Story--I only read through it once and don't know any of those who are mentioned in it, but liberals or not, they were discussing the COVER, not breast feeding. I don't know why liberals would be against breast feeding in public, seems to me it would be the opposite. As for the "old ways"...the "old ways" used to be breast feeding in private, I can't remember it ever being appropriate to breast feed in public until the last few decades, so that's weird, too. Gotta check that out, out of curiosity.

Just all around weird. Did FauxNews say something that Wulf internalized without thinking about it? Otherwise, why would he jump to the conclusions he has, given they are the opposite of what is true?

As to the SUBJECT of breast feeding, I don't mind it in public and don't pay attention, but I think that boy is far too old for it. JMHO.

ETA: Hey Mincing!!! Where've you been, I've missed your wonderful posts! Welcome back.





My l is broken, so replying is hard.

Breastfeeding is only considered private in cultures which consider breasts to be sexual. A lot of places, breasts are for baby only and they are not considered objects of desire by anyone other than baby.

If you are breastfeeding a young baby and you want to go anywhere, you are going to have to feed while you are out. Young babies feed pretty much constantly. In my view, there is something in between exhibitionism and hiding yourself away when breastfeeding. A baby's head covers the breast normally, its mouth the entire nipple. I know it gets a bit harder if you have large breasts. Either way, if it makes you feel odd looking at it, look away. I can't see why it is a problem.

If you are lactating, you kind of have to feed. Sometimes a baby's hungry cry will bring down your milk and you'll end up a dripping mess with a screaming baby.

Older children don't need constant breastfeeding and whether they need breastfeeding at all after they are on solids is kind of up for debate. After about 12 - 18months its generally about comfort for the child. Over 18months its usually about mum not wanting to let it go. There is certainly no nutritional need for it and no need for demand feeding in public.

Breasfeeding a 4 year old child screams boundary issues. Weaning is a normal part of a child's life. Mum needs to be able to do that, and to encourage a child do be at an age appropriate developmental level. By 4 a child is out of infancy, should be feeding itself normal family meals at meal time, taking themselves to the tiolet etc etc.

Wulf, breastfeeding and how people feel about it is not generally linked to politics. I'd say it was just some personal/cutural issues of you MIL.

The so called 'Attachment parenting' is a crock of shit. You don't choose attachment with your child as a lifestyle choice, just like you don't choose to have good mental health.

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, those DON'T count.



LOL!!!! Ever the predictable coward.

Sure, sure, because you say so (and because anything else would require you to face things about yourself and your views you Just. Cant. Deal. With. It's okay, we're used to it.)

Thanks for proving Kwick and I both right this time, kiddo.



If you say 2+2=5, which is wrong, and then predict that I'll agree that 2+2=5 is in fact, wrong, how is that me being a coward? Predicable ? Well, sure. Anyone ( ok, most anyone w/ a brain ) would admit that 2+2 does not = 5, so calling me out for THAT is nonsensical.




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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:20 AM

WHOZIT


This was just a really lame stunt by "TIME" to get libs and conservatives into a fight, of course they were sure libs would support them. If they were serious they would have had her dress in a buisness suit holding a briefcase and nursing an infant. Instead most people are looking at this and saying, he's 4 and still nursing?! This doesn't offend me, it makes me laugh. I bet MOST women liberal and conservative woman think this is NUTZ! This cover sould have been put on "National Lampoon" (no longger in buisness) with the caption "Got Milk?"

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit: This cover sould have been put on "National Lampoon" (no longger in buisness) with the caption "Got Milk?"


" Got MILF ? " might have been just as appropriate.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:22 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit: This cover sould have been put on "National Lampoon" (no longger in buisness) with the caption "Got Milk?"


" Got MILF ? " might have been just as appropriate.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein




HA!

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Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


In the grand scheme of things, nursing should continue as long as it is useful for the child and the mother. Nursing transmits an number of known and unknown factors including lactoferrin, omega-3 fatty acids, choline and other compounds which are mobilized from the mother's body (even if the mother is deficient) to pass on to the child. In addition, the child receives a full complement of bacteria from the mother and the tribe.

IMHO, the utility of breastfeeding prolly tapers off after the age of 2... 3 at the latest. And only an idiot would turn this into a liberal-conservative issue.

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Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:57 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Magon's it sounds like we agree on timeline, after 18 mos its time to work on weening. I too don't really understand what the problem with public breast feeding is, it is natural and normal for babies to breast feed. I didn't say it originally because Wulf asked how long was too long so I focused on that, I assumed that people would know I'm fine with feeding where ever, I've said it before.

Since I have a notoriously addictive personality I'm so surprised I ended it myself. Otherwise I would have been very hard to ween.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:03 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Magon's it sounds like we agree on timeline, after 18 mos its time to work on weening. I too don't really understand what the problem with public breast feeding is, it is natural and normal for babies to breast feed. I didn't say it originally because Wulf asked how long was too long so I focused on that, I assumed that people would know I'm fine with feeding where ever, I've said it before.

Since I have a notoriously addictive personality I'm so surprised I ended it myself. Otherwise I would have been very hard to ween.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.



I think kids can be difficult to wean. I've known some women who haven't fully weaned their kids until they were around 3, but it was usually a sleep ritual that became hard to break.

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Monday, May 14, 2012 7:44 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


My little bro's biomom breast fed him for too long, again as you said it was at nighttime. I'm so glad he doesn't remember it, at least I don't think he remembers it, I'm afraid to ask. Someday I will though, just not today.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Monday, May 14, 2012 8:15 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And only an idiot would turn this into a liberal-conservative issue.



Meet Wulfie, RapTard and the Zit.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Just saw this... Pretty accurate, really.





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Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:07 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Byte I don't believe that you were reading and understanding 300 page Star Wars novels at 5.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike, excellent cartoon!

Sig,
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And only an idiot would turn this into a liberal-conservative issue.
Amen. But then, it DID start out that way from the very beginning, thanx to Wulf:
Quote:

The old ways are the best ways. But then there are liberals who try and ruin it, and make it gross.



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