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Pakistani doctor who helped in Osama bin Laden raid convicted of treason

A Pakistani doctor who helped in the CIA hunt for Osama bin Laden has been convicted of high treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, according to local government officials.
Shakeel Afridi was arrested three weeks after a US Navy Seal team killed the al-Qaeda leader at his hideaway in Abbottabad, only 30 miles from Islamabad.

The harsh sentence will provide ammunition to critics who believe that Pakistan is more intent on rounding up people who helped hunt for the world’s most wanted man — rather than those who hid him on Pakistani soil for five years.

And it will drive a further wedge between Islamabad and what remains of the country’s allies in Washington.

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Usama Bin Laden's funeral: Egyptian Paper Al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system. This system is totally in the control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by them."
-Usama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine, September 28, 2001
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
http://columbus.indymedia.org/node/13067

"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to Jonathan Pollard (convicted CIA traitor and Mossad spy in USA) upon exiting Pollard's jail cell

"America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for war. Code named Operation NORTHWOODS, the plans included assassination, sinking boats on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war."
—David Ruppe, ABC News, "Friendly Fire - U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba," May 1, 2001
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I guess Pakistan is sending a message to anyone else who had thoughts of helping the Great Satan capture one of their brothers and kill him.

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How dare you call Amerika the Great Satan!

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So, Obama didn't find and kill bin Laden all by himself after all.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
And here is another hook, since no one but Rappy has claimed that Obama did anything by himself. Rappy says this crap, which he knows to be crap, for one reason: to force the crowd to reply.

Funny, how aggressive Rap is being about this "ignore" thing. The last time he was ignored it took a few days before he realized it really was happening, then he started with the desperate measures, creating fresh sock puppets to reply to himself and such. I think it must have left emotional scars. He's not letting Operation Ignore happen this time. His solution: act first! Take over RWED completely with nonstop threads with over the top lies and BS claims! "Bwah-ha-ha!!!" he cackles to himself! "Just try and ignore me now!"

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

And here is another hook, since no one but Rappy has claimed that Obama did anything by himself. Rappy says this crap, which he knows to be crap, for one reason: to force the crowd to reply.

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Funny, how aggressive Rap is being about this "ignore" thing. The last time he was ignored it took a few days before he realized it really was happening, then he started with the desperate measures, creating fresh sock puppets to reply to himself and such. I think it must have left emotional scars. He's not letting Operation Ignore happen this time. His solution: act first! Take over RWED completely with nonstop threads with over the top lies and BS claims! "Bwah-ha-ha!!!" he cackles to himself! "Just try and ignore me now!"

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
But Pakistan is an ALLY of ours. Bush and Cheney said so. I don't understand...

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
But Pakistan is an ALLY of ours. Bush and Cheney said so. I don't understand...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Seems Pakistan doesn't want its people selling military intel to us. Good for them. One more reason for us not to be there in the first place.

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I created 'sock puppets' ? Really ? You can PROVE this ... how? Please, back up that whopper of a claim. If you can. I'm gonna LOVE this!

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Seems Pakistan doesn't want its people selling military intel to us. Good for them. One more reason for us not to be there in the first place.

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So, bin Laden's whereabouts were considered 'Pakistani military intel' ?

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I created 'sock puppets' ? Really ? You can PROVE this ... how? Please, back up that whopper of a claim. If you can. I'm gonna LOVE this!

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The "proof" is right there in the same thread where you "proved" that Obama pushed a little girl to the ground.



Hey, if you weren't lying, then nobody is, ever.

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I created 'sock puppets' ? Really ? You can PROVE this ... how? Please, back up that whopper of a claim. If you can. I'm gonna LOVE this!

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I created 'sock puppets' ? Really ? You can PROVE this ... how? Please, back up that whopper of a claim. If you can. I'm gonna LOVE this!

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As if no one remembers you being called out for JEWELSTAITEFAN, and then flat out admitting it.
Moron.

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Umm, that never happened, ass for brains. Good Imaginary Sky Wizard, you're a joke.




I mean, I AM a fan of hers, but who isn't ? Seriously.

I am not, nor have I ever been JEWELSTAITEFAN, or any other incantation, or name, or such person other than me.

And for as long as I'm here, I'll stick w/ this name, or inform anyone who cares of any changes. Been here for 8 years, as me, so there's no need to change now.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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I created 'sock puppets' ? Really ? You can PROVE this ... how? Please, back up that whopper of a claim. If you can. I'm gonna LOVE this!

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As if no one remembers you being called out for JEWELSTAITEFAN, and then flat out admitting it.
Moron.

Oh, and FYI, Bin Laden - who WE trained, equipped and financed, bought it the week of December 15th 2001 when an artillery shell hit the radio tent and wounded him, not that he was long for this world anyway cause his health was declining badly and without a source of fresh water his portable dialysis machine was useless.
Best guess from the guys who came forward about it was kidney/respiratory failure via complications from shrapnel wounds.
Hell, the rest of the world ran his Obit, but it was conspiciously absent here.

Emmanuel Goldstein revisited, and the only reason they ended the game was cause because even the diehard koolaid drinkers were becoming a little doubtful, and the LAST thing the powers that be want is for their only remaining base to start questioning the veil of lies...

-Frem

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Isn't a pre-Ocean-Funeral Obama a Scottie Pippen Clone????

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Oh, and FYI, Bin Laden - who WE trained, equipped and financed, bought it the week of December 15th 2001 when an artillery shell hit the radio tent and wounded him, not that he was long for this world anyway cause his health was declining badly and without a source of fresh water his portable dialysis machine was useless.
Best guess from the guys who came forward about it was kidney/respiratory failure via complications from shrapnel wounds.
Hell, the rest of the world ran his Obit, but it was conspiciously absent here.

Emmanuel Goldstein revisited, and the only reason they ended the game was cause because even the diehard koolaid drinkers were becoming a little doubtful, and the LAST thing the powers that be want is for their only remaining base to start questioning the veil of lies...

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

PN raises a good point - the absolute lack of any photographic evidence, and the fact that all the direct witnesses wound up quickly and very conveniently dead, is very telling.
Of course, knowing how these things work, I rather suspect they're not actually deceased but simply absorbed into the blackops end of the system with helpful deniability and new cover identities.

-F

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Cool story but it needs a few flying pigs and maybe a unicorn.

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If you and PN realy knew how things worked you both would be dangerous...but you're not.

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Cool story but it needs a few flying pigs and maybe a unicorn.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

First reported via al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633.

Helpful Hint: After-Action Reports are public information.
That's also how the bullshit story of Jessia Lynch was shot to pieces, AND it also highlighted how the glaring flaws in the M16/M4 weapons platform directly lead to casualties.
Case in point, one soldier (SGT Riley) tried to fire his weapon, it jammed, he grabbed the other (semi-conscious) front seat passengers weapon, which jammed, and then one of the wounded backseat passengers weapons which then ALSO jammed, at which point he and the vehicle crew were surrounded and captured.
The guy who actually DID manage a heroic standoff ?
He was having to hand-load individual cartridges, essentially using his weapon as a breach-loader.
Google 507th maintanence company AAR, you'll find a couple copies in PDF floating around.

While not direct confirmation, the AARs of the unit on-site at the time in Tora Bora do mention it was very likely they scored an indirect hit/casualty to OBL and/or his command staff due to the artillery strike on the radio tent.

Also, I fail to see why you would be so willing to automatically hand out credibility to sources known to lie, boldly and repeatedly, often in contradictory fashion, while dismissing out of hand contrary information from folks who generally have some reason to not believe the official story, if not evidence-in-hand.
(Case in point to THAT, the additional explosive devices IN the Murrah Federal Building, I have the actual fucking log excerpts to prove it.)

-Frem

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A report from some source is not greater than all the other intel.

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So at this point, Nick, I have to ask: Why are YOU trusting "a report from some source" as if it's greater than any other intel?

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So at this point, Nick, I have to ask: Why are YOU trusting "a report from some source" as if it's greater than any other intel?

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Sure, and there's no such thing as abuse within the catholic church.
And there's no such thing as abusive boarding schools/bootcamps for kids, it's all a myth, and certainly not overseas where they're outside of the jurisdiction of american law, nah, that's all a conspiracy theory.
And Gardasil is safe and effective, sure.
And no company has EVER mailed out pure virus disguised as vaccine.
And it was all that Ryder truck and just McVeigh operating all by his lonesome, sure.
And Saddam had WMD, oh and how bout those Kuwaiti Incubator babies, huh ?
Oh yes, and Khadafis viagra-conked rapegangs, that was a good one, wannit ?

SERIOUSLY...
Imma leave it at that, but this is one of the reasons I am so downright hostile sometimes, you'd fuckin think that when someone has been right time and time again in the face of an outright bullshit story, you might at least acknowledge the mere possibility that they might have a point.

Or perhaps you could explain to me how a guy on dialysis in end stage renal failure managed to survive for ELEVEN YEARS without proper medical care and support, AND mastermind a so-called empire he didn't even have actual communication with, hmm ?

-Frem

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No, it because I grow tied of the unfounded conspiracy claims.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Pakistani doctor who helped in Osama bin Laden raid convicted of treason

A Pakistani doctor who helped in the CIA hunt for Osama bin Laden has been convicted of high treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, according to local government officials.
Shakeel Afridi was arrested three weeks after a US Navy Seal team killed the al-Qaeda leader at his hideaway in Abbottabad, only 30 miles from Islamabad.

The harsh sentence will provide ammunition to critics who believe that Pakistan is more intent on rounding up people who helped hunt for the world’s most wanted man — rather than those who hid him on Pakistani soil for five years.

And it will drive a further wedge between Islamabad and what remains of the country’s allies in Washington.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
As I said, you have proof post it...or shut the fuck up. You simply do not have proof that would sink Romney as you have claimed, you do not have proof of more explosives in the McVeigh case, you are not diverting water filters to anyone, so get over it.

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Your post heading is misleading. This is actually an interesting story because of the double game that Pakistan continues to play, although I think we're pretty clear on who trusts who (or doesn't trust) these days. Here is abit more. Seems this man was lucky to have been convicted by a tribal court rather than a central one, which would have given him the death sentence...like the US.

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Now.
Have you anything to say to me, Nick ?

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You said you were diverting water test kits and water filters to RAWA. At most you are donating some through Amazon. Plus there are no filters on that list.

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The copies of the logs you have are also available on the internet. You made it sound very much like you had something special. Not to mention the media was initially reporting multiple bombs. There were false reports on the morning of 9/11 also.

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The Romney stuff you also claimed that you had information, again you don't the internet does you simply read it...like anyone else can.

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Ah yes, the game of demanding proof, then when it gets delivered, moving the goalposts in order to not look like a crying bitch - you asked for proof, I fucking delivered it, and now you desperately spin in order to save face.

Lil bit of advice for ya, pissant.
Maybe you ought not call the "bluff" of people who ain't bluffin, in the future.

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You really think Amazon is the only way they get stuff, really ?
I mean golly gee, how you think I *KNEW* that they had problems with the goddamn Talitubbies fuckin with their water supplies prior to someone posting that stuff, hmm ?
Surely it can't be that I've been helping them out in small ways since before you even knew they existed, oh no, of course not, despite having discussed it here for heaven knows how long, that couldn't possibly happen, not could I have EVER run across some leftover filters once marketed by "National Safety Associates"(MLM Scam company) and bought them off the poor sodder for next to nothing, then shipped em to their affiliate in Pasadena, CA - cause that's just impossible, right ?

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Uh-huh, sure, and logs and stuff just MAGICALLY appear on the internet, from out of the ether, cause really how else could they get there, SURELY *someone* doesn't get stuff like logs, actual affadavits, court orders, and on many an occasion post them here(1) or fork them over to media outlets and/or activists, then use those handy links, that's just a pipe dream.

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And surely ALL those reports, ALL those images, footage of the bomb squad and literally hundreds of witnesses, they're all just lying, right ?
Yeah, the media cooked up footage after the fact on my say-so, and I convinced state troopers to lie on their official reports, hell, even went and photoshopped the pictures undetectably, yeah...

And you call ME a conspiracy theorist ?

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Seriously, enough - who the fuck do you think pulled those goddamn files from the GAO to begin with ?
Not like I haven't, yanno, BEEN WORKING THIS MATTER FOR THIRTY FUCKIN YEARS, oh heavens no.

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Seriously, did I *not* get my hands on the original (unlawful) court order in the Maryanne Godboldo case and in fact hand it off to a local media outlet, then posted their link to it here ?
Did you and others not observe this fucking happen ?
Remember we're having this discussion in the presence and company of people who have at times asked for and received assistance from me and mine personally, indirectly or even in the rare case directly.

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Your post heading is misleading. This is actually an interesting story because of the double game that Pakistan continues to play, although I think we're pretty clear on who trusts who (or doesn't trust) these days. Here is abit more. Seems this man was lucky to have been convicted by a tribal court rather than a central one, which would have given him the death sentence...like the US.

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Well, yeah. I said it was misleading, as it was clearly an exaggeration.

And how many times have one of those tribal courts been viewed as a good thing ? 33 years of hard labor...gee, thanks.

But the real thing to take away from how Obama left this guy out to dry is the message it sends others who may want to help us, or in trying to recruit new operatives.

This was another amateur move by Barry.

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Hmmm, your tendancy for attributing blame gives complex issues a simplicity which makes everything dull.

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Nah Jack, this ain't about him, mano.
Well, not him personally and specifically - but mostly it's about something else.

I mean, do you really think I am unfamilar with the game of demanding proof/evidence and then dismissing it unread, out of hand as a way to fuck with someone and waste their time ?
Not to mention I wouldn't hand over stuff that might bring trouble to my doorstep, cause I know how fucking petty and malicious people are.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/large-fight-erupts-in-ypsilanti-str
eet-after-argument-started-by-facebook-comments/
Fekkin hell, I could practically throw a rock from here to there, so it's not like I don't have the goddamn evidence thereof right in my face, yes ?
Beyond that why buy trouble by enabling some punkass to run squealing like a little piglet to the jackboots trying to stir up trouble for you just cause they can, cause they get some satisfaction out of crapping on other people, like the way Wulfenwhiner seems to get off on spouting hate and intolerance, cause he can.
There's always gonna be folks who use the very rights people stand up for in order to do harm, or just plain be a dick - for every mother theresa there's a fred phelps, it's in the very nature of the thing.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:Nor am I unused to taking shit for some of the positions I take, beliefs I hold - being dismissed, outcast, spat at and hated, called a liar, or insane, even harrassed or physically assaulted for them.
I mean you ARE talking to someone who spent a good chunk of their early school days being called a "n*****r-lover" and a "commie" right in front of teachers if not even BY some of those teachers, so you can imagine being disliked is not exactly a new thing for me.
Hell, didn't you never figure out that playing to a Villain Archetype is in part a coping mechanism against a society that demeans and punishes every decent thing I've ever done, while my every act of selfish malice is lauded and rewarded ?

Besides which, too many folks here have received assistance, information, resources, on a very rare occasion personal intervention, from me and mine for him to sell his bullshit story to them which post here - what he's doin Jack, is playin to an audience, or at least a perceived one, those who read but don't post, who might stumble across this place by accident, or simply lurk rather than post cause they'd rather not wind up on the receiving end of the flamethrower.

What this is about, at least in some part, mano - is him encouraging a form of complacency which enables so much of the needless bullshit, fostering the perception that to stand up buys you nothing, that none of it matters and all you will get is derided, denied, dismissed... that it is pointless, that it is futile.
Whether that's intentional on his part or just an unfortunate side effect of him wanting to grind my gears personally, I couldn't tellya, don't know, don't care.
What I DO care about is how that enforced apathy spreads, how handing out the easy excuse discourages people from even tryin, THAT does annoy the piss outta me, and lettin it slide despite that folk might take that for acceptance of his crap might constitute some kinda moral high ground, maybe I mislike the price of standin on it some days.

Ever wonder why I (barely) tolerate PirateNews and others of that ilk, Jack ?
It's cause they sometimes raise real issues no one else will dare, mostly cause of that very complacency and enforced apathy - cause no one wants to get flamed, dismissed, spat upon, called a nutter and a liar.
Consider this one, and consider it well.

Turn back the clock a bit: 1983
Now imagine some 13yr old kid, barely more than a child, already off-the-rails due to a violent nature and the stresses of being forced into adult responsibilities far earlier than a kid should ever be, already bitter as hell about doing so in the face of being considered and treated as subhuman, and with an enormous chip on his shoulder about the whole deal.
Now, this kid, he comes to you and tells you that some of his classmates have been kidnapped in the middle of the night, hustled off to some foreign concentration camp and tortured.
You'd think he was four-plus fuckin crazy, downright out of his mind, wouldn't you ?

And here we are, 2012.
Tell me Jack - was that kid crazy, was it all just a myth ?
Now just for a second, think really hard, try to IMAGINE what that must have been like, trying to force an issue like that into the public consciousness, trying to help those broken by those places while trying to keep some kind of a lid on your own overwhelming issues - all in the face of people calling you a liar, a nutjob, telling you to sit down and shut up, people with far more authority, credibility and resources than some random internet yahoo.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:Ahhh, but if that yahoo thinks he's pushin my buttons, believes he's getting up my back...
Then just by carefully picking my responses I can lead him around by the nose as I flail his ass like a scourge with these issues, and get to pontificate at length without the dumb git ever realizing he's handing me his own intended audience on a plate, as I feed out enough info get people askin their own questions - questions which may well lead them to maybe friggin doin something about it.

Plus, yanno, dragging it out makes him look all manner of entertainingly stupid, trying to shovel this load to people who know better, many of them personally so.
And that's what this is really about... feeding a damn fool all the rope he can carry.

-Frem

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