Oh LOOK ! Atlanta more muderous than supposedly violent Chicago! by 1kiki

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Is there a competition?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:36 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Should I make any bets on whether or not Rappy had all those guns walked into Atlanta and put in the hands of gangs?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:39 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Chicago keeps getting portrayed on this board by certain people with an ax to grind as if it's an ultra-violent product of decades Democratic (the party) rule. Those corrupt librul' mobster-union Obama-loving thugs!

So I just started looking around at other cities in the FBI Uniform Crime report. It turns out that Chicago is not so violent after all. I took a look at fairly large cities (the dynamics are different than small cities), took out the ones people THINK of as violent (Los Angeles - gangs), Phoenix (drug cartels), Alabama (racial distribution) ... etc ... and settled on what most people think of as a sedate, prosperous, conservative city - Atlanta. Despite its reputation and pedigree, it's more murderous than that supposedly ultra-violent den of iniquity Chicago.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:49 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'm flabbergasted that someone would pick a violent city and arbitrarily blame the Democrats for it. I wonder if Democrats get credit for their good cities? Or Republicans for their bad?

I think any reasonable intellect would concede that there is more going on with crime than merely the prevailing political party. Otherwise these same dull critics would be hailing some of the most oppressive regimes on Earth as having solved the secret to crime control.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

If only Atlanta had been community organized, by The One...

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

If only Atlanta had been community organized, by The One...

Maybe its murder rate would be as low as Chicago's.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:09 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Maybe its murder rate would be as low as Chicago's.

Hello,

Perhaps. In any event, one can not help but appreciate a person who steps up in a difficult area and tries to serve their community.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I hope you realize my reply was tongue firmly in cheek. Irony doesn't type very well.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:22 PM

Tounge and Cheek as anybody can claim here or there....

The real TRUTH is simple....

If you come into my town...

A town that allows not only gun ownership in the home, but conceal and carry for those who pass the test....

Well....

Criminals seem to move like "water" and find the easiest path to the bottom....

In the mean time....

No shots fired here.

The NRA supporter sticker speaks a million words.

I might not be home, and as anyone here knows, I have no new tech worth stealing, but in the end, is it worth the chance I might be smoking a pipe with a gun pointed at their head as they broke in?

I knew what I was doing at my job, and I got Six-Sigma'd....

There are over 10 million idiots working Government jobs who I could run circles around.

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:29 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize my reply was tongue firmly in cheek. Irony doesn't type very well.

Hello,

I often have the same problem with my humor. I grok.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize my reply was tongue firmly in cheek. Irony doesn't type very well.

Hello,

I often have the same problem with my humor. I grok.

--Anthony

Gosh, I generally don't have a problem getting either of y'all's humor. In fact, I quite like it! Very subtle, quite dry, understated, very much unlike my own. It is a welcome breath of fresh air.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:24 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Reality Check

Cook County, where Chicago resides, there were 75,744 births and 25,196 abortions in 2009. That means for every
three children born, one was aborted. Atlanta, GA / Fulton County (2007): 1 abortion for every 3 births (13,802
births / 4,605 abortions) By comparison, there were 121,745 births in New York City and 80,629 abortions in 2009.
That's one abortion for every 1.5 births.
http://www.abort73.com/blog/tracking_abortion_in_americas_largest_citi
es/

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that 47,717 abortions took place in Illinois during 2008. They
reported 45,298 abortions in 2007 and 46,467 abortions in 2006. Pregnancies Ending in Abortion 40%, Down from 41%
in 2009, 48% in the Bronx and 60% Among African-Americans.
http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/states/illinois/

"Black children are an endangered species."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-25/news/ct-oped-0426-byrne-
20110425_1_abortion-unintended-pregnancies-black-children

http://blackgenocide.com/

Quote:
"Abortions should be legally available in accordance with Roe v. Wade."
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro

"The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly. Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated. We propose to hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. And we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members. Eugenics is the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems."
-Margaret Sanger, director Planned Parenthood (now paid over $1-billion taxdollars to already genocide 100-million US citizens)

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Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:00 PM

CATPIRATE

Right on Pirate News Service. Point out that the Demoncrats are pro abortion but their not racist. Women must not understand that abortion is major surgery. And it leaves inner scars beyond tissue. I don't understand with all the birth control who wants to go through that. Breaking a leg is bad enough or a root canal. I am old fashion. In my family children were kept or adopted out 30 years ago and well they are productive citizens. It showed me abortion is not the way to go. We might need those babies in the future. We all enjoy sex, drinking, drugs, and gambling but it has repercussion. Mature adults deal with it.

Gambling is the ultimate high cause it's endless.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 1:02 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Chicago keeps getting portrayed on this board by certain people with an ax to grind as if it's an ultra-violent product of decades Democratic (the party) rule. Those corrupt librul' mobster-union Obama-loving thugs!

You do realize, I hope, that Atlanta has also had decades of Democratic (the party) rule, so it's probably not your best comparison.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 5:00 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
You do realize, I hope, that Atlanta has also had decades of Democratic (the party) rule, so it's probably not your best comparison.

Hello,

An astute observation. One might better refer to San Jose, California as one of the ten safest cities in America, and ask how that could possibly be achieved with the crime-aura that its Democratic mayor gives off.

http://www.areavibes.com/library/10-cities-lowest-crime/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Reed

But in reality, I think it's entirely possible that there are crime factors that have nothing to do with the insidious crime aura of the democrats. (Or Republicans, for that matter.) I also believe that people who say, 'nyah nyah, Chicago sucks because Obama sucks' are making a rather ridiculous argument and pointless connection.

As has often been pointed out, no bizarre creations or connections of the imagination are needed to oppose a politician or his policies. It's much easier and more practical to complain about the things he actually advocates or does or fails to do.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, June 15, 2012 6:30 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And yet when it comes to the safest large cities:

Lowest Crime Rate
1. El Paso, TX
2. Honolulu, HI
3. New York, NY
4. San Jose, CA
5. San Diego, CA
6. Austin, TX
7. Seattle, WA
8. Los Angeles, CA
9. Portland, OR
10. Denver, CO

El Paso, TX has never had a Republican mayor. Honolulu, HI mayors have been democrats since 1981. New York, NY mayors have been mixed, majority democratic. San Jose, CA mayors solidly democratic for over 50 years. San Diego, CA mixed party. Austin, TX, Seattle, WA, Los Angeles, CA, Portland, OR - you have to ask? Denver CO, solidly democratic since 1983.

But of SAFEST LARGE CITIES in the US - not a solidly republican one in the list. If crime is a result of party leanings, what does this say of democrats and republicans?

Or maybe, should we scrap that whole notion, Geezer?

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Friday, June 15, 2012 6:33 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"My town, Birmingham, Alabama shows up on some top 10 lists. It's absent from other lists. I guess it depends on who is doing the counting."

Some lists are cities over 500,000, others don't sort by size. Most rankings use the FBI uniform crime report, some don't. Some lists only count violent crime, others are more inclusive.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 2:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Reality Check

[...]

The only thing untrue is that Black Americans are an endangered species. I have no doubt that a large percentage of that 25,196 abortions in Crook County in 2009 were black, but I have no doubt that a majority of those 75,744 births in Crook County were also black. The fact that white people will be a minority in this country isn't only due to the influx of Mexican migrants.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 2:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Reality Check

[...]

The only thing untrue is that Black Americans are an endangered species. I have no doubt that a large percentage of that 25,196 abortions in Crook County in 2009 were black, but I have no doubt that a majority of those 75,744 births in Crook County were also black. The fact that white people will be a minority in this country isn't only due to the influx of Mexican migrants.

Do you have a problem with white people being a minority?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, June 15, 2012 2:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Reality Check

[...]

The only thing untrue is that Black Americans are an endangered species. I have no doubt that a large percentage of that 25,196 abortions in Crook County in 2009 were black, but I have no doubt that a majority of those 75,744 births in Crook County were also black. The fact that white people will be a minority in this country isn't only due to the influx of Mexican migrants.

Do you have a problem with white people being a minority?

I'm not afraid of not being "PC".

Yes, I do have a problem with white people being a minority.

My biggest problem is because white people, particularly women who have the most potent means of birth control, are just not having kids today because of how much there is to lose by having those kids. Of my 3 best friends and I, at 32 years old, there are only 2 kids between us. I have zero. By the time my Dad was 27, he had 3 kids himself. By the time my grandfather was 29, he had 5 kids.

The way I see this isn't even a racial issue, but a money issue. Those of us who should have kids, and even more kids, don't have kids because we are responsible for ourselves. Those of us who are completely reliant on government money to survive get even more of it when kids are involved. Why bother going through surgeries or even springing for condoms or birth control when having kids when you're already at the bottom is more lucrative in the long run than not having any?

THIS DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A RACIAL ISSUE!!!!!

1) Give tax incentives to single people.

2) Give decreased tax incentives to married people without children.

3) Further reduce the tax incentives to either group for having any children.

I don't get it.... It's okay to tax somebody who smokes that it costs 100 bucks for a carton in a supposed effort to curb an unhealthy habit, but when it comes to kids, we pay more and more for all the illegitimate kids out there.

Your largest carbon footprint in your life is the child you have Greenies.... the more kids you have, the more your print dwarfs bigfoot.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 2:59 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But of SAFEST LARGE CITIES in the US - not a solidly republican one in the list. If crime is a result of party leanings, what does this say of democrats and republicans?

I don't know.

How about you look at the most dangerous large cities, based on murder rate, as well as the safest? Nice chart here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate that you can sort by type of crime.

Quote:
Or maybe, should we scrap that whole notion, Geezer?

It's your thread, Kiki. You're the one who started making comparisons.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 3:14 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by CATPIRATE:
Right on Pirate News Service. Point out that the Demoncrats are pro abortion but their not racist. Women must not understand that abortion is major surgery. And it leaves inner scars beyond tissue. I don't understand with all the birth control who wants to go through that. Breaking a leg is bad enough or a root canal. I am old fashion. In my family children were kept or adopted out 30 years ago and well they are productive citizens. It showed me abortion is not the way to go. We might need those babies in the future. We all enjoy sex, drinking, drugs, and gambling but it has repercussion. Mature adults deal with it.

Gambling is the ultimate high cause it's endless.

I wonder if people can get it into their propaganda addled head that no one is 'pro abortion'. Nobody thinks it's a great thing, should be undertaken lightly or used instead of contraception. That is not the issue.

The issue is whether it should be an available choice and under what circumstances.

It seems to me that most people can think of some reasons why abortion might be okay, in cases to preserve a mothers life, for victims of rape, where a fetus is unlikely to survive because of massive problems.

yes, in an ideal world nobody would need an abortion, but we don't live in an ideal world. The question is, should someone else, ie the government force women who don't wish to carry a fetus to term for their own reasons do so.

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Friday, June 15, 2012 3:15 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you have a problem with white people being a minority?

I'm not afraid of not being "PC".

Yes, I do have a problem with white people being a minority.

Why?

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Friday, June 15, 2012 3:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you have a problem with white people being a minority?

I'm not afraid of not being "PC".

Yes, I do have a problem with white people being a minority.

I think delved way deeper into that issue than I ever care to admit in the real "real world" if you kept reading.

I don't speak politics with my real life friends. Politics are the first thing that f-s up every relationship. That's what this cesspool of shit we call the RWED is for.

Ask me again when you've read the rest of the post.

Why?

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Friday, June 15, 2012 6:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Reality Check

[...]

The only thing untrue is that Black Americans are an endangered species. I have no doubt that a large percentage of that 25,196 abortions in Crook County in 2009 were black, but I have no doubt that a majority of those 75,744 births in Crook County were also black. The fact that white people will be a minority in this country isn't only due to the influx of Mexican migrants.

Do you have a problem with white people being a minority?

I'm not afraid of not being "PC".

Yes, I do have a problem with white people being a minority.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:52 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
How about you look at the most dangerous large cities, based on murder rate, as well as the safest? Nice chart here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate that you can sort by type of crime.

Interesting choice. See, my statistics come from the FBI uniform crime report.
If you don't care about size, the 10 most violent cities are
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/americas-most-dangerous-cities.html
1 Detroit Michigan D
2 Memphis Tennessee D
3 Springfield Illinois R majority
4 Flint Michigan N nonpartisan/ unlisted
5 Anchorage Alaska R / N
6 Lubbock Texas R since 1972
7 Stockton California N no history/ current mayor is R
8 Tallahassee Florida N no history/ current mayor is D
9 Las Vegas Nevada I/ D/ N
10 Rockford Illinois N/ D

If you're looking at cities over 500,000

1 Detroit, MI – Population 905,783 D
2 Memphis, TN – Population 672,046 D
3 Baltimore, MD – Population 634,549 D
4 Washington, DC – Population 591,833 D
5 Atlanta, GA – Population 533,016 D
6 Philadelphia, PA – Population 1,441,117 D
7 Indianapolis, IN – Population 808,329 R
8 Columbus, OH – Population 751,887 R
9 Milwaukee, WI – Population 602,131 D
10 Dallas, TX – Population 1,276,214 R majority/ D/ N

Now, this says a few somethings something to me.
1) Cities tend to lean D.
2) The larger the city, the larger the lean.
3) D and D leaning SAFE cities over 500,000 outnumber UNSAFE cities 9 to 6.
4) R and R leaning SAFE cities over 500,000 outnumber UNSAFE cities - they don't. It goes the other way. R and R leaning UNSAFE cities outnumber R SAFE cities 4 to 1.

If I ran the statistics (which I'm not going to bother to do, so feel free), you'd find D cities are generally safer, R cities simply aren't.

So, if we're to draw any conclusions about city violence and political party, D cities are safer, R city are less safe.

Or maybe you should just drop that whole topic, Geezer.

Quote:
It's your thread, Kiki. You're the one who started making comparisons.

Actually, little Rappy is the one who started making CLAIMS to which this thread is a response. Remember - it's right here.
46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52199

But YOU didn't have any objections to THAT, did you Geezer. Gee. What a surprise.

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Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Actually, little Rappy is the one who started making CLAIMS to which this thread is a response. Remember - it's right here.
46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52199

But YOU didn't have any objections to THAT, did you Geezer. Gee. What a surprise.

I made no " claims ", what so ever. I merely posted the facts.

Geezer correctly pointed out , 1kiki, that YOU were the one who made COMPARISONS, out of thin air, which really had zero do to with what my post was about.

Basically, you ignored what was being said, and then went on about your merry, making up an entirely different issue.

Meh. As you wish.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Little Rappy you are such a twat. Geezer, yeah, you too. And little Rappy, just so you know, I've saved these urls for the next time you spew this on the board, including your lie that you made NO CLAIMS WHAT SO EVER!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I made no " claims ", what so ever.

REALLY? Your explicit thread where you directly blamed community organizing and democrats:

The fruits of community organizing
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52073

Quote:
The fruits of community organizing
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

10 Dead, 41 Hurt in Violent Chicago Weekend
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Violent-Chicago-Weekend-1553
17885.html

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Democrat dominated Chicago, home of Barack Hussein Obama, and all that community organizing, along w/ his former Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel now as mayor.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
They were the fruits of being community organized. As the title states.

Now, here is Geezer chiming in, blaming community organizing AND the organizer as the CAUSE of violence, because after all, what other cause COULD there be:

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
If you have a candidate who touts his credentials as a community organizer in Chicago, you'd expect one result of his organizing might be less violence in the community.
Or are you saying that community organization has no effect at all on changing folk's view of what their personal responsibility towards others in the community (like whether to shoot them or not) is?

And here is your follow up "no claims" thread:

Quote:
46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )

http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=52199

And here is the thread where you lied (for you it's just SOP):

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I made no " claims ", what so ever.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52235&mid=90079
7#900797

Just remember, I'm keeping that url list about you.

Both of you.

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Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Fine. Keep a url list on us. I think it's funny you have so little of a life that you think I'd care what you do.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:49 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I wouldn't reckon that anyone of any ethnicity that is a minority _wants to be so, its probably true for people now and it will probably be true for people in the future, whoever they may be.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Monday, June 18, 2012 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fine. Keep a url list on us. I think it's funny you have so little of a life that you think I'd care what you do.

So Rappy has so much of a life that he finds a good 2 - 6 hours a day to post here, yet anyone who does actual research to refute his always-ludicrous claims has no life at all.

How very Republican of you, Raptard.

How about using some of that abundant time you spend here to actually address the direct questions asked of you by Kiki, Signy, and others?

Oh, I get it - you're a coward, and can't answer.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, June 18, 2012 8:38 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Quote:
It's your thread, Kiki. You're the one who started making comparisons.

I think you've missed the point of this whole thread Geez, it was to respond to Auraptor's suggestion that Chicago is an especially violent city thanks (or no thanks) to Obama and the Democrats and community organising.

If 1Kiki shows that Chicago is not especially violent, or that Republican controlled cities are more violent, that punctures Auraptor's argument quite nicely. The ball is no longer in 1Kiki's court - in my mind Auraptor has to make his case from scratch allowing for the new facts, or else let his argument die.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, June 18, 2012 8:50 AM

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It's your thread, Kiki. You're the one who started making comparisons.

I think you've missed the point of this whole thread Geez, it was to respond to Auraptor's suggestion that Chicago is an especially violent city thanks (or no thanks) to Obama and the Democrats and community organising.

If 1Kiki shows that Chicago is not especially violent, or that Republican controlled cities are more violent, that punctures Auraptor's argument quite nicely. The ball is no longer in 1Kiki's court - in my mind Auraptor has to make his case from scratch allowing for the new facts, or else let his argument die.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Hello,

Well, Chicago is pretty violent. I don't know which Republican cities may be more violent or if there are any. However, there are Democratic cities of minimal violence, which disproves any direct causality between political party and violence.

--Anthony

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Monday, June 18, 2012 9:11 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Yep.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, June 18, 2012 9:24 AM

STORYMARK

Like that'll stop the zealots from making the same moronic claims in other threads.

At best, they'll just wait a couple days, hoping this thread falls down the page. At best.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, June 18, 2012 5:52 PM

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It's your thread, Kiki. You're the one who started making comparisons.

I think you've missed the point of this whole thread Geez, it was to respond to Auraptor's suggestion that Chicago is an especially violent city thanks (or no thanks) to Obama and the Democrats and community organising.

If 1Kiki shows that Chicago is not especially violent, or that Republican controlled cities are more violent, that punctures Auraptor's argument quite nicely. The ball is no longer in 1Kiki's court - in my mind Auraptor has to make his case from scratch allowing for the new facts, or else let his argument die.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Or admit he was wrong.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:37 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:57 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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It's your thread, Kiki. You're the one who started making comparisons.

I think you've missed the point of this whole thread Geez, it was to respond to Auraptor's suggestion that Chicago is an especially violent city thanks (or no thanks) to Obama and the Democrats and community organising.

If 1Kiki shows that Chicago is not especially violent, or that Republican controlled cities are more violent, that punctures Auraptor's argument quite nicely. The ball is no longer in 1Kiki's court - in my mind Auraptor has to make his case from scratch allowing for the new facts, or else let his argument die.

It's not personal. It's just war.

False assumptions abound. Would you rather spend a week in Chicago or in Afghanistan?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1
602692.html

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As Chicago residents face a murder rate that, thus far this year, is worse than U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the Chicago Police Department has assigned at least 100 officers to secure the wedding of White House advisor Valerie Jarrett's daughter.

President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and their daughters Malia and Sasha arrived in Chicago Friday evening ahead of the Saturday wedding of Laura Jarrett, which will be held in a backyard in the city's Kenwood neighborhood. And that wedding is, expectedly, set to be a high-security affair.

The Chicago Sun-Times' Michael Sneed reports that between 100 and 200 Chicago police officers will be on site to help "secure the perimeter" of the wedding.

Sneed further reports that the city will not be reimbursed for the police security by the federal government.

The directive for police to cover the Jarrett wedding arrives at a time where Chicago is facing a surge in its homicide rate. The Daily pointed out in a Friday column that more Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.

The war zone-like statistics are not new. As WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.

Maybe it's because the wrong sort of people are being killed. I bet if the right sort of people start getting killed, law and order in the windy city would become job #1!

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:25 AM

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The Daily pointed out in a Friday column that more Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.

Hello,

This comparison is strange, and it makes weird conclusions.

Chicago has 29 times the population of Americans but less than 2 times the murders. Chicago is safer for Americans than Afghanistan in terms of murder rate.

But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

--Anthony

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:

False assumptions abound. Would you rather spend a week in Chicago or in Afghanistan?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1
602692.html

Quote:

As Chicago residents face a murder rate that, thus far this year, is worse than U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the Chicago Police Department has assigned at least 100 officers to secure the wedding of White House advisor Valerie Jarrett's daughter.

President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and their daughters Malia and Sasha arrived in Chicago Friday evening ahead of the Saturday wedding of Laura Jarrett, which will be held in a backyard in the city's Kenwood neighborhood. And that wedding is, expectedly, set to be a high-security affair.

The Chicago Sun-Times' Michael Sneed reports that between 100 and 200 Chicago police officers will be on site to help "secure the perimeter" of the wedding.

Sneed further reports that the city will not be reimbursed for the police security by the federal government.

The directive for police to cover the Jarrett wedding arrives at a time where Chicago is facing a surge in its homicide rate. The Daily pointed out in a Friday column that more Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.

The war zone-like statistics are not new. As WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.

Spin, boy, SPIN!

Good troll.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:49 AM

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The Daily pointed out in a Friday column that more Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.

Hello,

This comparison is strange, and it makes weird conclusions.

Chicago has 29 times the population of Americans but less than 2 times the murders. Chicago is safer for Americans than Afghanistan in terms of murder rate.

But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

--Anthony

Ah, but that's the exact comparison that 1Kiki used to start this thread.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI
City of Atlanta 536,472 population 93 murders 17 per 100,000
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-th
e-u.s.-2010/tables/table-8/10tbl08ga.xls

Chicago 2,833,649 population 432 murders 15 per 100,000
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-th
e-u.s.-2010/tables/table-8/10tbl08il.xls

Or are you saying that Kiki's comparison is valid and mine is not?

I'm not sure where Kiki was going with this. Comparing a democratically controlled city that is chronically pointed out as a failure of policy, with another democratically controlled city in another part of the country, to prove, what?

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:
The Daily pointed out in a Friday column that more Chicago residents -- 228 -- have been killed so far this year in the city than the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan - 144 -- over the same period.

Hello,

This comparison is strange, and it makes weird conclusions.

Chicago has 29 times the population of Americans but less than 2 times the murders. Chicago is safer for Americans than Afghanistan in terms of murder rate.

But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

--Anthony

Ah, but that's the exact comparison that 1Kiki used to start this thread.

Is it? I don't see where Kiki referenced the number of American troops killed in Atlanta or Chicago anywhere in the initial post that started this thread.

How many U.S. troops were killed in Chicago during the timeframe you're trying to compare?

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:15 PM

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Ah, but that's the exact comparison that 1Kiki used to start this thread.

Hello,

No, it's not. She made a very different comparison.

Quote:

Or are you saying that Kiki's comparison is valid and mine is not?

I don't know if you remember, but I agreed that Kiki's comparison was logically flawed for its purpose. (Though not as flawed as the article's comparison in the material you quoted, which was not even factually correct in that it suggested a lower Afghanistan murder rate in contravention of the facts.)

Quote:

I'm not sure where Kiki was going with this. Comparing a democratically controlled city that is chronically pointed out as a failure of policy, with another democratically controlled city in another part of the country, to prove, what?

You seem to be regressing to an earlier point in this conversation. This material has already been covered. Or are you trying to 'rub it in'?

Kiki made a pointless comparison. You just recently made a similarly pointless comparison of your own. Neither comparison illustrated what the publisher hoped.

I believe you'll find that I have already shown that political party is clearly not the primary cause of violence by illustrating cities which are Democratically controlled and low-violence. This would not be possible if Democratic control resulted in high violence. There are clearly other factors at work.

--Anthony

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:16 PM

Anthony,
Would you care to review your findings with the added data point of legislative or enforcement gun control? I can point you to similar persecution of lawful firearms ownership in Philadelphia.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:33 PM

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Anthony,
Would you care to review your findings with the added data point of legislative or enforcement gun control? I can point you to similar persecution of lawful firearms ownership in Philadelphia.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

Hello,

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.

Are you asking whether gun control affects crime, or whether lawful firearms owners are persecuted?

--Anthony

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:13 PM

Hey Trollbago,

Care to answer the question, or are you a coward?

How many U.S. troops were killed in Chicago during the timeframe you're trying to compare?

After all, YOU brought up troops killed in Afghanistan, did you not? So compare troops to troops, or people to people.

I know you're trying to paint Chicago as some kind of lawless wasteland (hence the question of where one would rather spend time, Chicago or Afghanistan. I'll gladly take Chicago, thanks!), and in your desperation you're casting about looking for ANYTHING that will allow you to spin your story to cast Chicago in a negative light, but the rest of us aren't willing to accept your methodology or your basic premise, because you've been shown time and again to be using faulty "facts" and false logic in trying to spin your stories.

So answer the question:

How many U.S. troops were killed in Chicago during the timeframe you're trying to compare?

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:31 PM

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How many U.S. troops were killed in Chicago during the timeframe you're trying to compare?

Hello Mike,

No need to narrow the criteria further. The premise is already critically flawed even if you count all Americans in the areas under discussion.

--Anthony

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey Trollbago,

Care to answer the question, or are you a coward?

How many U.S. troops were killed in Chicago during the timeframe you're trying to compare?

After all, YOU brought up troops killed in Afghanistan, did you not? So compare troops to troops, or people to people.

I know you're trying to paint Chicago as some kind of lawless wasteland (hence the question of where one would rather spend time, Chicago or Afghanistan. I'll gladly take Chicago, thanks!), and in your desperation you're casting about looking for ANYTHING that will allow you to spin your story to cast Chicago in a negative light, but the rest of us aren't willing to accept your methodology or your basic premise, because you've been shown time and again to be using faulty "facts" and false logic in trying to spin your stories.

So answer the question:

How many U.S. troops were killed in Chicago during the timeframe you're trying to compare?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

Guess the troll bitched out of this thread because he can't answer.

Can't say I'm surprised.

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